I'm about to give up on this phone. It constantly lags/glitches/resets in messaging, has all kinds of issues with multitasking, and is extremely slow and unreliable.
ANYONE out there that has a fully functioning messaging/internet/calling machine out there - please post what you did from start to finish to create a great phone.
Thank you.
This is my last attempt - been terrible since "upgrading" from AT&T Tilt
I see from your sig that you're using a ROM with Sense 2.5 which may be the source of your problems.
If you want to read my story, keep going. Otherwise, my tip is to "downgrade" to official WinMo 6.1 ROM.
Here's my story:
When I bought the device, I was pleasantly happy with the stock ROM which has WinMo 6.1 and the version of TouchFlo3D that doesn't have the weather in the Home tab.
The 1st ROM I flashed was the official HTC released WinMo 6.5 ROM. Huge mistake. Everything worked but just seemed slower. I've since tried multiple cooked ROMs over the months. They were all faster than the official WinMo 6.5 ROM but there was always a glitch here and there. Often, it was minor enough to be suitable for daily use.
But then I decided recently to switch back to my stock WinMo 6.1 ROM just for the heck of it. It's so much faster and smoother. And everything just works.
Positives of the original WinMo 6.1 ROM over others:
1. Multitasking - Under normal usage, I've never had an application autokill because RAM was running out. This is the case even with Push-Internet enabled. With other ROMs, I can almost never run Opera, Streaming Media, and MSN Messenger at the same time. One of them will certainly autokill.
2. TouchFlo3D smoothness - There's no stuttering and drops in framerates when moving the slider. With other ROMs, (especially Sense2.5) it's never as smooth.
Drawbacks of the original WinMo6.1 ROM over others:
1. Lockscreen - The stock lockscreen of WinMo 6.5 is much more elegant and useful than that of WinMo 6.1
2. TouchFlo3D - It has since been replaced by newer versions with more functionality and eyecandy. But to be honest, the only thing I miss is the weather forecast on the Home tab.
3. Overall finger friendliness in the OS - Dropdown menus and checkboxes are all better in WinMo 6.5.
Its up to you if you want to move back to 6.1....but i hated 6.1... i had more problems with it
With windows 6.1... i had problems with my bluetooth... when i have the bluetooth on my ear for 10 minutes without a call... i lose connection,, i get "lost connection"
With windows 6.5.... the problem was solved... didnt have no bluetooth problems anymore
I want to love my TP2 but ever since I upgraded my OS to 6.5 and other cooked ROM's, I've had issues. WM 6.5 seems to cause my TP 2 either go into standby of death (cant come out of standby) or if and when it eventually decides to come out of it, the screen is frozen.
With cooked ROMS, I have to constantly flash different ROM's in hopes of finding one that is stable and runs smoothly. I have until the 5th of March to either get a replacement TP2 with 6.1 WM running on it or find a cooked ROM that features stability and smoothness.
I found the EnergyROM series to be quite stable and fast for me. Only drawback is you should get the Titanium version instead of the Sense/Manila version. Much much faster.
I have a Tilt2, and the stock 6.5 ROM was slower than molasses. Dunno if you can downgrade the Tilt2 to 6.1.
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
Slow down, notice the subtle nuances then decide
I went from my Wizard to first a Cliq then a Behold 2 before realizing that I am a WinMo girl and going with my first instinct and getting my TP2 (all within my buyers remorse time). I had a stock 6.1 and then "upgraded" to first a stock 6.5, then to cooked variations.
I went back to my stock 6.1
I removed most bloat, added a few updated programs, used Advanced Config to tweak things. My rom doesn't have the pretty Home page with the weather (which frankly is the ONLY thing I miss), but I can go roughly 36 hours with very heavy usage and up to almost 3 days with normal to light usage. It is stable and fast. I have no internet issues, no BT issues, no wifi issues. I do not use email on my phone so I don't know if there is any issue or not, but I do rely heavily on GPS and have had no problems.
I did add some cab files that made little tweaks, like the one that gives me a snooze option on my stock alarm. I did upgrade my Opera to 10 from the stock 9. I use TCPMP as my media player, and removed most of the tab options--keeping only Home, Calendar, Weather, Programs, Settings. I changed my splash screen to a custom one I made, and switched my wallpaper...but other than those minor things, it is a stock rom and I am happy with it.
There will always be a debate over 6.1 vs 6.5 versions...I prefer stability and speed to eye candy, so for me 6.1 wins. I felt 6.5 was like going to Vista. Sure it was prettier, but the "improvements" just didn't feel like an improvement to me.
The best thing to do while you are still in the buyers remorse period is to go stock, add some tweaks and feel it out. From that you can decide if you are a 6.1 person or a 6.5 person. You will also get a basic feel for the device and what it is capable of. Many cooked roms here are great, but as with anything cooked, it is a matter of taste. Perhaps you haven't found your right flavor yet. But if you keep blowing through roms, you aren't getting the full TP2 experience.
Here's an analogy--I was just in Vegas, but this was the first time I really SAW Vegas. There is an old Vegas (6.1 rom) and a new Vegas (6.5 variations). I enjoyed the buffets and shows at old Vegas, but loved the lights and sparkle of new Vegas. You won't know what works for you if you don't check it out individually and linger for a bit. Much like my stay in Vegas, if I blew through it (as you seem to be going through roms), all the subtle nuances would be missed.
THERE ARE WAYS TO TWEAK THE DEVICE. Maybe you just aren't feeling WinMo and need to move to a Droid...some people are like that (I'm not one of those people). As far as a WinMo device goes though, this one is rock solid.
akashastrega said it best
I agree with akashastrega above. Each user has his/her own needs.
I am a power business user of my phone. I use it all day every day for email, calendar, etc. I do not use it as a music player.
I am on Ark's 6.5 ROM (a couple builds ago). It is stable and I have it tweaked to my liking.
I would definitely suggest looking around at the ROMs to find one you like. Some are more sparkly than others and some are more stable than others. Once you find a ROM, decide what tweaks you want/need. And if you are having any issues, serach for solutions.
Just got my Tilt2 and so far have disabled TF3D and added some cabs. Seems to work great. Havent had problems with freezes or anything. Disabling TF3D really made a huge difference and I reallllly like this phone compared to the Fuze I used to have.
Disable TF3D.
Add PocketBreeze, PhoneAlarm and PocketWeather.
Happy camper.
Flash DeepShining Rom and enjoy. Fast, stable and AWESOME.
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
Zylograth said:
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
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cdguider managed to extract the stock 6.1 TMO US ROM, minus the radio anyway (which is still available separately), you can find it and the info in THIS thread
ChasDun said:
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
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In short, you must walk on egg shells or winmo will crash and burn. As far as "smoking" the motodroid, that statement i believe is exaggerated. Yes it may (even then it's a maybe) run a little faster but i wouldn't use the word "smokes". Even if it does run faster, i'm willing to bet your brother hasn't had to do anything anywhere close to what you stated in the book you just wrote about what you did to your phone to make it stable. I don't care what ROM or what apps you install on your winmo phone, the core code is still crap and completely unstable and slow. You can't fix that with a cooked ROM or a 3rd party app.
To answer the original question: My suggestion is to wait for the android port to be completed and install android on your tp2. I've owned several winmo phones dating back to winmo 5 and I am now on the tilt2 with winmo 6.5 and i gotta say 6.5 is the worst of them all. The sms freezing/lagging and the sluggishness will never go away. The current android build isn't fully functional yet but you can make and receive calls, text, and get data on it so I use it about 50% of the time on my tilt2. Blows winmo out of the water as far as stability goes and the port isn't even complete. Looks to me like that's what you're looking for, stability. The only reason I don't use it exclusively is because power management isn't working properly yet so it drains the battery pretty quickly. But progess is being made as we speak.
Good luck.
This device has no bugs at all.
Use stock rom, or NRG rom, with sense 2.1, and WM build 21XXX, and u will see.
Its by far the stablest and smoothest WM device i had, even with the 528 qualcomm proccessor.
The only annoying thing on this device, is the modified bluetooth stack that sometimes causes the device to freeze on activesync via bluetooth.
To add something to this thread.
For the fun of it i tested my Tp2.
Normaly i dont lets apps stay open.
But just to let you all know i openend up
9 applications i started with round 70% free memory.
With all apps open it whent down to 35 % free memory.
Now this is nice to know.......no freeze no glitch and my tf3d slider works perfect.
After closing the apps i have 69% free memory back.
I use this phone alot for the hardware keyboard.( i have Hd2 to)
And i run official rom 2.1 sense.
Hope it helps a litlle.
Greetz.
I have the tilt 2 & I'm running JoshKoss 1.8 sence2.5 full build. It's running fast & stable no freezes or resets. I primary use this phone for e-mails, internet, & phone calls. I'm not into watching movies or listening to music on it.
I play with alot of cooked ROMs and I never really had any problems. I would say that you have to know the device and what you want. Typically after flashing, I will go deep in and turn off whatever that I don't need. So gone with all the auto-updates, gsensor, push internets etc. I even use MemMaid and disable all the startup items, services and notifications that I do not need.
My device runs alot faster and stable as a result.
actually MIGHTY ROM seems to be the bet rom around.. its stable and FAST!!
I'm using my TP2 with the Stock 6.5 & have never faced any problems whatsoever
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Hello, I was usgin joshoss V8B2 manilla2d and with some apps installed (via device update) I was left with like 10 megs free, so I tried the PDACornerPro.V27 - Build 20759 NonRBSN Josh-Abs (both greeeeeeeeat ROMS!!!!) and installed basically the same apps with the addition of HTC Home to have a nice look and feel (closer to manilla)... and ended up with around 12 megs free.... so I'm not sure which one is eating more resources.... any idea? manilla is still more unstable, right?
diego
Personally I do not feel that manila is for the hermes, until I get my touch3g I am going to run HTC home and spb mobile shell.
I am also quite interested in the study...
Currently using HTC HOme and happy with it, but if Manilla doesn't consume much more resources (In terms of RAM: for the storage we can all use a Micro SD anyway...), I would immediately switch !!!
Anybody can comment more?
I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
I am a streamline fanatic and like to keep my resources in check. Personally, on the Hermes I think Manila eats up to many resources.
Maybe in the earlier versions there might have been some memory leaks, but I noticed that in the end, I would end up with under 20megs of ram. And if you play with Manila that would go down. HTC Home uses about 4 megs.
Also when I had Manila on, I found that Opera would crash more often, mostly due to running out of memory while it would never do such thing while running HTC Home.
Also I noticed some sluggishness on the Hermes while using Manila, which also sometimes took a little longer --5-10 seconds-- to load, depending on the ROM.
So all in all, once HTC Home is loaded, it is always almost instantaneous, while Manila would again slowdown the phone in mid-operation. And by that I mean switching from the Today Screen to let's say settings or programs.
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I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
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I believe Josh's version is stable (from what I read)
Hi guys,
I tried like 4-5 Manilla 2D builds. They all had some bugs which weren't such a pain in the ass, but they were annoying. I was using PDA Corner V25 - great rom. Several days ago I installed PDAViet's Manilla2D v20 ROM and I must admit it is great. I didn't have any problems with manilla in terms of performance. The RAM left is 21MB on boot. The overall performance of the ROM is great. All apps work as fast as on the abusalza's rom. However I haven't tested the YouTube app, since I don't use it. The only problem is the lower in call volume compared to abusalza's rom. And if you use video call, I'm not sure if it's included.
I used multiple ROMs with Manilla 2D .. im now flashing backa again to a ROM without Manilla because i had too many problems with it.. i'm used to listen a lot of music... but with manilla on my Hermie the battery is empty so fast that sometimes i don't even have the chance to lsiten to the music ( i recharge it every night.. and i usually listen to music at about 15:00 pm.. by then it's already on low battery =s
on the other hand there are some stupid buggs in it.. like youtube doesnt work... sometimes the usb-connection doesnt work.. or what also bothers me is the volume control that is removed from audiomanager... there are also some other small problems which bother me but i'm not going to spend any more time on it right now
sorry for my bad english =)
ps. if somebody finds a tool for me to change the music player in manilla ( like from audiomanager to windows mediaplayer) pm me pls..
yes, in my case, I was using Josh's version and it was very stable and had I think all functionality working...the problem was after installing some apps, and after runining for a while opening and closing things I get an error of out of memory...
is there a way to make all "Device Update" to install on storage card?
will some more space on main memory help the RAM issue?
I've tried it out a bit. I'm using update 19 from here, and the Manilla 2D Customiser. On CRC's 13.0 naked non-big storage rom, I used UC to put on all the cab files in the right order, except for the Opera and Youtube apps. Using the customiser, I have removed the internet, mapping and settings tabs, and it runs pretty smoothly. Usually between 18-20MB RAM free. This does tend to go down a bit with usage, but I tend to soft-reset daily, and its not really a problem.
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
SlakerBoi said:
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
When I try to update library from storage card it will start to adding files then stop. Any suggestions. It worked fine with another rom I was using.
thunda_chunky said:
I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
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i really have the same problem asa u, and now i do not deside to flash any ROM that had installed the M2D, & I like Spb Shell most, cause it is nice and stable
Ok, I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but all I simply need is a ROM that does a few things for me (mind you, I'm not newb or noob to XDA, I've been here since around the release of the Tilt for AT&T, had a Tilt, and used Shifu's ROM, which was by far one of the smoothest, simplest ROMS, leading me to what I want):
*To run smooth and fast on a Tilt 2
*To use the Google Tracker thing, thereby keeping my weather and clock up to date
*To have Opera 10 (I really enjoy the start screen and speed)
*To have a version of Office that won't disappear after the beta goes away
*To have CleanRAM
*And Finally, to be simple and pretty bug-free (because with EVERY single other ROM I've tried, they've had bugs, or annoying context menus so I wind up saving loads of texts to my d*** SIM card; it'd be nice if there was a ROM that was the newest version of WinMo and Manila 2.5, without all the extra crap, like a skinned AT&T, gutted of all the bloatware, add Opera 10).
Is there anything like this? Please hook a brotha up, because if not, I might as well learn to cook and make my own ROM. I just need a simple ROM. That's it.
Oh, and inb4 someone says "look around, try different ROMs," I have. Athine, Energy, Valkyrie, and a bunch of the other "good" ROMs. Each have their strong point, but they all fail me in some place. Either too complex or too buggy. Like Energy right now has been the best, but it's extremely buggy on my Tilt 2. Google Locator isn't picking me up, phone calls get muted when I get a second call, etc...
Look around, try different ROMs!
Haha, seriously though, the perfect ROM for one may not be the perfect one for all.
Smooth and fast; Simple and bugfree - Of course, I've yet to see someone requesting for a ROM that's slow, laggy, complex, and buggy
Google Tracker thing - What's this? Is this just the location services thing? I thought this was available on all ROMs?
Opera Mobile 10 and CleanRAM can be installed independent of the ROM.
So, basically, you want WinMo 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 with non-beta version of Office Mobile.
You should know that I've not yet found a Sense 2.5 ROM that's fast enough for daily use. But I am a demanding person...
May I suggest you try Cell Pro ROM? Link in my signature. Also, give the stock UK WinMo 6.1 ROM a try.
Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
cirrob said:
Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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I can't offer any magic bullets here for you I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that I think the blame can be squarely placed on Sense, as opposed to wm6.5 so much. Not to say that 6.5 is some kind of streamlined OS, but just try using the phone for a day, or even just a few hours, with Sense turned off, and this will become obvious.
I know that's not terribly insightful, but in problem solving you always want to divide and conquer, so you can at least know which of those two ways to direct your efforts. I wish you luck, honestly...I think there's a lot more TP2 owners out there who experience it exactly as you do, if not worse. My personal experience on my recent upgrade to a stock 6.5 ROM is slightly better than yours, but no more than 10%, and I'm fastidious about manual memory management (through pretty much the same methods you've listed). The only other thing I do that I don't see a lot of other users here doing, that I believe helps me sidestep other lagging issues, is keeping my sms folders trimmed at all times...as in, no more than 45-50 messages in there live at any given time. Will your memory load decrease if you do the same? I dunno, it's just the only other thing I could think of that you haven't already mentioned
Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
RedRamage said:
Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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On most TP2's yes....there were a few carrier ROMs (like the first tmobile WM6.1 ROM) that had the precursor to Sense, aka TF3D, but most carrier's ROMs either came with Sense or have now been upgraded to it.
Thanks Sirphunkee for your response. After several days of searching and finding no one able to give any sort of real answer to the massive memory consumption sense uses, I have sence reverted her phone back to the stock rom at her request (I dont blame her: 66-73% consumed when ideling is simply not acceptable by any standards). If al she were doing is running the homescreen plugin (sense) I guess this might be fine, but she actually uses the tp2 for other things than just looking at it and scrolling from tab to tab.
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
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I'm glad you got something that works the way you want...but 8 programs running at once?! I assume that you're not joking...?
I'm sure that the reason you couldn't find much help on how to free up memory to the level you want is because nobody else needs to run that many programs at once.
Just curious: what 8 programs would a person need to run at the same time? And it's not useful with "only" 3 or 4 programs running simultaneously?
Of course, it's none of my business...I've just never heard of wanting to run that many programs simultaneously. I don't even do that on my PC at work (engineering R&D).
FWIW: My phone (running the ROM in my sig) boots at about 62% memory used and slowly grows. I run cleanRAM when memory use gets well above 70% (even though the phone still seems to perform fine at that level). That usually brings it down by about 15MB. Eventually cleanRAM can't do enough and I soft-reset. I don't find it difficult or inconvenient to do a soft-reset since it only takes a couple of minutes. I find that an acceptable compromise to avoid having to use the inconvenient 6.1 with 2.1. After running 6.5.5 for the past 4 or 5 months I can't even go back to regular 6.5.
YMMV...and obviously does!
Honestly, when my phone (Tilt 2) wakes me up in the morning with the alarm, I immediately do a soft reset while I evacuate fluids and brush teeth. It is good for the day. I tend to hover around 60%.
But I am running the stock Tilt 2 rom which is still 2.1
Don't want to make any form of advertising or spam, but I honestly think that you should try my Hybrid ROM. Sense 2.5 and WM6.1 improves the used memory a lot. Now I have fixed all important incompatibility bugs, so it's reliable and much faster then any other Sense 2.5 rom. If you don't care about the WM6.5 eye-candy and you're prepared for some stylus use, try it.
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I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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So there's a tool to convert the iPhone marketplace to Android marketplace? Neat.
Honestly mine does great runnin latest energy rom with the ssk and push internet + memory leak mod. have weather animation disabled and also turned off animation on cookie tabs. amazingly quick. my memory runs bout 60% idle.. which is great compared to what it was on the stock att rom. energyrom 4/17/10 6.5 with sense 2.5
Hi folks,
Got my TP2 to replace my Uni just over a month ago (I know the TP2 is an old phone now, but I could not upgrade until now, and its taken me 4 years to replace the Uni).
Anyway, I love the phone, but my god is so SLOWWWW and so BUGGY and just generally unreliable. Now on my Uni, I was running a Hybrid of 6.1/6.5 that I put on it last May, and it is awsome, its not 100% stable, but it certainly feels faster and is far more reliable than the TP2.
Anyway, i have been jumping backwards and forwards between Sense and Windows Mobile "today" screen, and the difference in just that seems remarkable.
When Sense is running, not only does it seem to be using about 25MB more RAM, but it suffers a hell of a lot of slowdowns, SOD instances, and generally, whilst it can be quite nippy at times, the amount of times it just hangs or is slow, makes the phone next to useless!! I have to restart it at least 4 times a day, sometimes even more. Messaging is almost unusable, and the amount of times I have felt like throwing the phone in the bin is unreal (and cant be healthy).
Now when I turn the Sense off (as much as you can, it still interferes with messaging etc and makes it run like a pile of poo) everything seems lightning fast with very few slowdowns, and certainly no massive halts in what it is doing. I can't recall the last time I had an SOD problem, and I have had the phone on for 2 days now and not a restart.
When you get into pure WinMo interfaces (not made to look nice by Sense) they are so smooth, scrolling is as responsive as the iPhone (which I hate but it makes my TP2 look like a piece of poo and im embarrassed by it to be frank because of the bugginess), it appears to be all the crap HTC have done to the phone that is causing the problems.
Now I need to change the ROM for a more stable one regardless of anything, and have been considering the Energy ROM for about a week (reading up on it, still not clear how to change the ROM, jeeze it was so much easier with the Uni). I was originally considering the Std Sense 2.5 version, but after reading the coment about the Cookie HomeTab being how Sense should have been designed, I was considering that instead.
After running WinMo without the main Sense interface on the phone however, and seeing it running a lot smoother, I have been reconsidering my decision.
I need this phone to run with as little in the way of hassle as problem, I dont want to be constantly fighting a losing battle to keep it stable and reliable, I dont want to be taking 10 minutes to type a text or use IE (I do use Opera Mini for most things, but like IE from time to time) just because the interface is slowing everything down. Do peeps think that the Energy ROM with the Cookie HomeTab interface is the way to go, or does it still have issues, and I should stick with a stock install of Windows Mobile and only Windows Mobile.
I appreaciate your thoughts... I can't believe how HTC can release a phone with such bugged up software as this and actually expect consumers to use it, imho, my phone is not even as stable as one would expect the software to be in BETA stages, nevermind as a public release. I work on the development team for TopUp TV in Europe (we deal with the propietary software that runs on all the set-top boxes) so I know what to expect from public software, and this is certainly not fit for use, and if this is the way HTC are going, then the TP2 will be the final HTC I ever buy (in fact if I can't get it stable, it will be on eBay and ill be back on my Uni).
Current phone info:
OS Version - 5.2.21887
Manilla Version - 2.5.20121225.0
ROM Version - 2.07.401.1 (80303)
ROM Date - 02/04/10
Radio Version - 4.49.25.91
Shame to hear you had such bad experience.
I´m quite happy with my Rhodium, which tweaked properly works great!
And I also have an Uni
If you're looking on step by step instructions there's a sticky in the ROM Dev forum called "Flashing your first rom" if you have a GSM version (looks like it based on radio version). That'll take you through the how.
Now if all you want is a fast, stable rom, i'd recommend staying away from Sense 2.5. The fastest, stablest Energy rom is going to be the Sense 2.1 running on the 21xxx branch (currently 21901). See my sig for a link to the thread. Once you start going into the 23xxx branch or Sense 2.5 you start piling on additional features which tie up more resources. It's a trade off of eye candy for speed.
While I agree that HTC's Sense is generally more trouble than it's worth, aside from increased memory usage and occasional stuttering, it works just fine for me. I simply prefer the default WinMo interfaces. And I do not think anyone likes HTC Messaging, that part is horribly bugged and slow.
There are many ROMs or variants of which that do not have any Sense components built in, I believe there is an Energy ROM that uses Titanium as the default shell.
I would suggest to you the Cosmik Debris ROM here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=608009
It is based on WinMo 6.1 so it will probably be familiar to what you were using on your Uni, and out of all the ROMs I've tried it seems to have the least amount of HTC software built in (there always seems to be some left, you will defiantly want to disable the HTC dialer).
If you do not mind the classic WinMo (pre-titanium) today screen, or plan on using a third party one such as Spb, I think 6.1 is a good way to go. I've not found any advantage at all to running 6.5 besides a startmenu that looks like it was just carpet bombed.
got no problems using Sense 2.5....if you dont like it, try Sense 2.1 which is hecka quicker than 2.5 just no Twitter tab....im only on Sense for the sake of twitter and the fact all info is there all in one piece
I'm with the OP... My Sprint Rhodium was working fairly well prior to my update to WinMo 6.5 (stock ROM)... Afterwards, the boot time was slow, sometimes Sense just wouldn't load at all. Going to any tab was initially, painfully slow. Loading apps was not TOO much slower than 6.1, but it was still leaving a lot to be desired. So about 4 days ago, I switched from Sense to the WinMo 6.5 default today screen.. BAM! Problems gone.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on HTC's Sense, I think it's great, the UI is awesome, it's just buggy... Perhaps there's some versions of the phone (think: manufacturing batches) that have issues with the newer software. Because OP is definitely not alone.
Sticking with WinMo's 6.5 Default - Mark
I just don't think the rhodium has the ram or the processor for sense 2.5. I gave up on sense a while ago. and even though 2.5 with cookie 1.8 is very nice looking, I'll take my custom cooked 23563 sys with 3.5.3 mobile shell on top. very fast and not buggy at all. everything works as it should.
since you have tried it with sense off, try the trial version of mobile shell or just stick with titanium. Some people are happier with that.
fyi, I have never had a SOD with sense not on my phone.
I second the previous poster's recommendation of SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3. I've been using it since V2, and it's great. It only uses 4-6 MB of RAM. It's about as customizable as one could wish for right out of the box. As for ROM, I've been using Sergio76's Leo Cell Pro version 9.1 for a few days now, and I haven't had any hangs requiring restart or SOD. I've had SOD's without Sense, but that was only in the 23xxx branch. Serg's Pro series is on the 21xxx branch, the latest being 21901 in V 9.1. It's made of win and profit. Make sure you grab the one with no HTC Messaging or CHT.
Best combination stays the stock HTC 6.1 ROM with TouchFlo for me. The TouchFlo interface is very light on the hardware and looks smooth.
The newer Manilla 2.1 looks nice, but slows down here and there, together with WM6.5 it eats RAM!
I tried the Manilla 2.5, and it looks ugly (to me) with the big fat icons at the bottom together with allot of lag It's very noticeble that it's designed for the HD2, wich has allot more horsepower!
I like the fact that TouchFlo still keeps things finger-friendly ^^
Grtz,
FeareX
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Best combination stays the stock HTC 6.1 ROM with TouchFlo for me. The TouchFlo interface is very light on the hardware and looks smooth.
The newer Manilla 2.1 looks nice, but slows down here and there, together with WM6.5 it eats RAM!
I tried the Manilla 2.5, and it looks ugly (to me) with the big fat icons at the bottom together with allot of lag It's very noticeble that it's designed for the HD2, wich has allot more horsepower!
I like the fact that TouchFlo still keeps things finger-friendly ^^
Grtz,
FeareX
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The bottom icons are not Sense 2.5; they are the newer version of WM6. I am using 2.5, and my start menu is in the upper left, not the lower left.
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The bottom icons are not Sense 2.5; they are the newer version of WM6. I am using 2.5, and my start menu is in the upper left, not the lower left.
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The new Sense 2.5 has those 3 big shortcut icons at the bottom (which turn to 9 when sliding up); that's likely what FeareX means.
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The new Sense 2.5 has those 3 big shortcut icons at the bottom (which turn to 9 when sliding up); that's likely what FeareX means.
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Oh, is that Sense? I thought it was any WM 6 version with 6.5.x instead of just 6.5?
EDIT: Oh, the shortcut icons. I'm using Co0kies Home Tab, which has currently 25 shortcuts on 4 pages under my settings - 100 shortcuts. My ROM burned CHT into the mix and I've not used the "stock" sense 6.5.
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Oh, is that Sense? I thought it was any WM 6 version with 6.5.x instead of just 6.5?
EDIT: Oh, the shortcut icons. I'm using Co0kies Home Tab, which has currently 25 shortcuts on 4 pages under my settings - 100 shortcuts. My ROM burned CHT into the mix and I've not used the "stock" sense 6.5.
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You are confusing Sense, which is an HTC UI, with Windows Mobile, which is an operating system.
Sense UI comes in three different versions for our phone:
Sense 2.0 no eye candy, stock
Sense 2.1 colored slider, programs tab
Sense 2.5 Twitter, facebook tabs, quick launch icons on homepage
Then there is WM, which has too many versions for our phone:
WM 6.1
WM 6.5
WM 6.5.3
WM 6.5.5
Here is info about WM:
http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714
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You are confusing Sense, which is an HTC UI, with Windows Mobile, which is an operating system.
Sense UI comes in three different versions for our phone:
Sense 2.0 no eye candy, stock
Sense 2.1 colored slider, programs tab
Sense 2.5 Twitter, facebook tabs, quick launch icons on homepage
Then there is WM, which has too many versions for our phone:
WM 6.1
WM 6.5
WM 6.5.3
WM 6.5.5
Here is info about WM:
http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714
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Actually, I think the OP was the one confused.
I don't think the original author was talking about Sense. I'm assuming he has the large soft keys found in the newer WM, which has the taskbar on the bottom rather than the top. Mine is OS build 21x; the bottom taskbar is builds 23x. That is OS, not Sense. But it was actually a bit difficult to make out what the OP was having problems with.
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Actually, I think the OP was the one confused.
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Not quite. He is saying with Sense UI loaded his phone is slow. Without Sense UI his phone is responsive but looks like crap.
I would suggest trying SPB mobile shell if you don't like Sense UI. Also titanium has some nice mods which can look good.
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Not quite. He is saying with Sense UI loaded his phone is slow. Without Sense UI his phone is responsive but looks like crap.
I would suggest trying SPB mobile shell if you don't like Sense UI. Also titanium has some nice mods which can look good.
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I must be the only one left who thinks good old classic Windows Mobile today screen looks just fine.
Absolutely every piece of information you need on one screen in a simple functional list. Easily customizable as well.
It is a beautiful sight to see how quickly WinMo boots up without having to load Sense.
Thans for the all info folks, I have spent the past week or so plodding along with the standard WinMo interface, and considering my options, using the info in this thread a guide...
Anyway, I am pleased to say the slugishness and text messaging problems of the stock ROM even with Sense disabled got too much for me, and I ended up changing the ROM...
I took a risk and decided to throw a Sense ROM on to begin with, thinking what the hell, if it struggles, ill just change it as ill notice problems pretty quickly.
I went for the Leo Cell Evo 9.1 23562 running Windows Mobile 6.5.5 and Sense and WITHOUT the HTC Messaging crap that plagued the stock ROM... and so far, I have to say, I am extremely impressed, everything runs smooth and fast, with no crashing, no SOD (yet), no massive slowdowns or hangs, and Sense is at last a dream to use, it is working how it should be!!
I am absolutely made up with this ROM, but I am also appalled at HTC's decision to expect the stock ROM to be suitable for this phone, as its only really suitable for odd call every now and again (its a £400 smartphone ffs, people dont buy them for the odd call now and again).
The ROM totally puts HTC and their development team to shame, and they should be ashamed of themselves - I have emailed them to let them know of my complete disappointment with the phone compared to my old Uni (out of the box) as I felt it was not fit for purpose with the stock ROM installed, and have mentioned the fact I have changed to a custom XDAD ROM and finally have a phone that works as it should - but why should I have to do this, and how can they expect to sell these phones to people who are not so involved or interested in modding and ROM's etc (the TP2 is aimed solely at the business user as far as im concerned, indeed the conference calling features, and the fact only Vodafone Business sell it through their retail channel in the UK suggest this to me - I got it on o2, but from a 3rd party supplier, o2 themselves dont do the phone). A business user does not want a phone that gives them hassle, they simply want on that works and is productive, with the best efficiency and no problems.
Maybe its HTC's way of saying to the world "get over to Android and save us the license fee's for WinMo" because I can't honestly see why they would release such a flawwed product when the hardware itself is fine, when using a working ROM, which HTC are either unable to, or don't want to release.
Anyway, once again XDA Developers have come to the rescue, and a well earned donation will be going to the team behind the Leo Cell ROM's next week!!
THANK YOU!! :-D
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for the absolutly best way to get the ultimate performance from my device. Whether its the Orange ROM (WM6.5) or some wee glitch with my phone, ive had issues. I find Sense slow and buggy and have been plagued with freezes and having to rest several times every day. Battery performance has been poor and in general a fantastic machine just wasnt cutting the mustard (even went back to my Kaiser for a while).
The problems seem to be common enough tbh.
Anyway with just a few differences my machine has become the chalk against the previous cheese. A hard rest and forgetting about Sense was the start. Ive replaced it with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.5. Combined with obvious backlight time adjustments, and a few 'Advanced Config' tweaks, my Touch Pro 2 has just become a different machine!
Much more smooth and resets just arent necessary.
Ive sacraficed Opera for the latest Opera Mini. More than adequate for my purposes and the interface is actually handier to use for people whos internet access is concentrated on just a few sites/ forums.
Im not on here advertising SPB by the way, just what ive found myself!
Unless you are a massive super user, i dont find the need for OCT or the like. I use MSM most of the day, regular Opera Mini, heavy SMS and occasional Word Mobile and find hte above arrangement brilliant.
Has anyone else any suggestions in the same vein that can help even more?? I am, and im sure most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q
I prefer CHT with OCT. My device absolutely flies. When it begins to lag a bit after using more than 5 apps, I just CleanRAM custom. Works like a charm. I have found that the device will work at maximum performance when installing everything to the Storage Card. Having all the RAM available for the OS keeps it faster for me. It seems that there is a performance difference when you have 70Gb as opposed to 50Gb. CleanRAM really is the greatest thing for this device.
I tried SPB Shell a few months ago, but I think CHT is much better. Theres way more customization and I find it easier to navigate. You just put your favorite apps in 3 pages. The Shell had things needlessly in different locations and into sub categories. It just didn't suit me.
use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
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Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for
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most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q
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use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
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lol
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I was trying to use a modded HTC Home plugin with HTC Home Customizer but ran up against too many problems, so I've returned to Sense for now. I'm hoping to flash a new ROM sometime soon, once I've reinstalled XP and 7 on my PC (I've only got Vista left as running normally, and dislike it too much to rely on it). I've also installed SPB shell on my wife's Acer e200, so was considering it, but I want to finish running some tests with the graphics drivers available here, with sense vs. sense turned off and some minor media playback issues first.
oh, i should have said. flashing is pretty much ur only way to improve what you want.
soooo.... if flash is a no go... new device maybe?