Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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I can't offer any magic bullets here for you I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that I think the blame can be squarely placed on Sense, as opposed to wm6.5 so much. Not to say that 6.5 is some kind of streamlined OS, but just try using the phone for a day, or even just a few hours, with Sense turned off, and this will become obvious.
I know that's not terribly insightful, but in problem solving you always want to divide and conquer, so you can at least know which of those two ways to direct your efforts. I wish you luck, honestly...I think there's a lot more TP2 owners out there who experience it exactly as you do, if not worse. My personal experience on my recent upgrade to a stock 6.5 ROM is slightly better than yours, but no more than 10%, and I'm fastidious about manual memory management (through pretty much the same methods you've listed). The only other thing I do that I don't see a lot of other users here doing, that I believe helps me sidestep other lagging issues, is keeping my sms folders trimmed at all times...as in, no more than 45-50 messages in there live at any given time. Will your memory load decrease if you do the same? I dunno, it's just the only other thing I could think of that you haven't already mentioned
Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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On most TP2's yes....there were a few carrier ROMs (like the first tmobile WM6.1 ROM) that had the precursor to Sense, aka TF3D, but most carrier's ROMs either came with Sense or have now been upgraded to it.
Thanks Sirphunkee for your response. After several days of searching and finding no one able to give any sort of real answer to the massive memory consumption sense uses, I have sence reverted her phone back to the stock rom at her request (I dont blame her: 66-73% consumed when ideling is simply not acceptable by any standards). If al she were doing is running the homescreen plugin (sense) I guess this might be fine, but she actually uses the tp2 for other things than just looking at it and scrolling from tab to tab.
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
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I'm glad you got something that works the way you want...but 8 programs running at once?! I assume that you're not joking...?
I'm sure that the reason you couldn't find much help on how to free up memory to the level you want is because nobody else needs to run that many programs at once.
Just curious: what 8 programs would a person need to run at the same time? And it's not useful with "only" 3 or 4 programs running simultaneously?
Of course, it's none of my business...I've just never heard of wanting to run that many programs simultaneously. I don't even do that on my PC at work (engineering R&D).
FWIW: My phone (running the ROM in my sig) boots at about 62% memory used and slowly grows. I run cleanRAM when memory use gets well above 70% (even though the phone still seems to perform fine at that level). That usually brings it down by about 15MB. Eventually cleanRAM can't do enough and I soft-reset. I don't find it difficult or inconvenient to do a soft-reset since it only takes a couple of minutes. I find that an acceptable compromise to avoid having to use the inconvenient 6.1 with 2.1. After running 6.5.5 for the past 4 or 5 months I can't even go back to regular 6.5.
YMMV...and obviously does!
Honestly, when my phone (Tilt 2) wakes me up in the morning with the alarm, I immediately do a soft reset while I evacuate fluids and brush teeth. It is good for the day. I tend to hover around 60%.
But I am running the stock Tilt 2 rom which is still 2.1
Don't want to make any form of advertising or spam, but I honestly think that you should try my Hybrid ROM. Sense 2.5 and WM6.1 improves the used memory a lot. Now I have fixed all important incompatibility bugs, so it's reliable and much faster then any other Sense 2.5 rom. If you don't care about the WM6.5 eye-candy and you're prepared for some stylus use, try it.
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I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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So there's a tool to convert the iPhone marketplace to Android marketplace? Neat.
Honestly mine does great runnin latest energy rom with the ssk and push internet + memory leak mod. have weather animation disabled and also turned off animation on cookie tabs. amazingly quick. my memory runs bout 60% idle.. which is great compared to what it was on the stock att rom. energyrom 4/17/10 6.5 with sense 2.5
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Hello, I was usgin joshoss V8B2 manilla2d and with some apps installed (via device update) I was left with like 10 megs free, so I tried the PDACornerPro.V27 - Build 20759 NonRBSN Josh-Abs (both greeeeeeeeat ROMS!!!!) and installed basically the same apps with the addition of HTC Home to have a nice look and feel (closer to manilla)... and ended up with around 12 megs free.... so I'm not sure which one is eating more resources.... any idea? manilla is still more unstable, right?
diego
Personally I do not feel that manila is for the hermes, until I get my touch3g I am going to run HTC home and spb mobile shell.
I am also quite interested in the study...
Currently using HTC HOme and happy with it, but if Manilla doesn't consume much more resources (In terms of RAM: for the storage we can all use a Micro SD anyway...), I would immediately switch !!!
Anybody can comment more?
I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
I am a streamline fanatic and like to keep my resources in check. Personally, on the Hermes I think Manila eats up to many resources.
Maybe in the earlier versions there might have been some memory leaks, but I noticed that in the end, I would end up with under 20megs of ram. And if you play with Manila that would go down. HTC Home uses about 4 megs.
Also when I had Manila on, I found that Opera would crash more often, mostly due to running out of memory while it would never do such thing while running HTC Home.
Also I noticed some sluggishness on the Hermes while using Manila, which also sometimes took a little longer --5-10 seconds-- to load, depending on the ROM.
So all in all, once HTC Home is loaded, it is always almost instantaneous, while Manila would again slowdown the phone in mid-operation. And by that I mean switching from the Today Screen to let's say settings or programs.
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I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
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I believe Josh's version is stable (from what I read)
Hi guys,
I tried like 4-5 Manilla 2D builds. They all had some bugs which weren't such a pain in the ass, but they were annoying. I was using PDA Corner V25 - great rom. Several days ago I installed PDAViet's Manilla2D v20 ROM and I must admit it is great. I didn't have any problems with manilla in terms of performance. The RAM left is 21MB on boot. The overall performance of the ROM is great. All apps work as fast as on the abusalza's rom. However I haven't tested the YouTube app, since I don't use it. The only problem is the lower in call volume compared to abusalza's rom. And if you use video call, I'm not sure if it's included.
I used multiple ROMs with Manilla 2D .. im now flashing backa again to a ROM without Manilla because i had too many problems with it.. i'm used to listen a lot of music... but with manilla on my Hermie the battery is empty so fast that sometimes i don't even have the chance to lsiten to the music ( i recharge it every night.. and i usually listen to music at about 15:00 pm.. by then it's already on low battery =s
on the other hand there are some stupid buggs in it.. like youtube doesnt work... sometimes the usb-connection doesnt work.. or what also bothers me is the volume control that is removed from audiomanager... there are also some other small problems which bother me but i'm not going to spend any more time on it right now
sorry for my bad english =)
ps. if somebody finds a tool for me to change the music player in manilla ( like from audiomanager to windows mediaplayer) pm me pls..
yes, in my case, I was using Josh's version and it was very stable and had I think all functionality working...the problem was after installing some apps, and after runining for a while opening and closing things I get an error of out of memory...
is there a way to make all "Device Update" to install on storage card?
will some more space on main memory help the RAM issue?
I've tried it out a bit. I'm using update 19 from here, and the Manilla 2D Customiser. On CRC's 13.0 naked non-big storage rom, I used UC to put on all the cab files in the right order, except for the Opera and Youtube apps. Using the customiser, I have removed the internet, mapping and settings tabs, and it runs pretty smoothly. Usually between 18-20MB RAM free. This does tend to go down a bit with usage, but I tend to soft-reset daily, and its not really a problem.
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
When I try to update library from storage card it will start to adding files then stop. Any suggestions. It worked fine with another rom I was using.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
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i really have the same problem asa u, and now i do not deside to flash any ROM that had installed the M2D, & I like Spb Shell most, cause it is nice and stable
Anyone notice that if you dont use one of those utilities that clears temp files, notifications, etc, after a while your TF3D and phone lags to the point of pressing on the screen and there is a nice delay?? i'm basically running the stock sprint rom, with the tweak package and a few basic mods..
any ideas??
Slowdowns aren't caused by temporary files and such. They are usually caused by high processor activity and by low amounts of ram available. You should check what services are running and the ram you have.
I dotn have very much running... mostly stock items and then memaid, email scheduler, glalarm
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Anyone notice that if you dont use one of those utilities that clears temp files, notifications, etc, after a while your TF3D and phone lags to the point of pressing on the screen and there is a nice delay?? i'm basically running the stock sprint rom, with the tweak package and a few basic mods..
any ideas??
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It's true that RAM gets gobbled up with time -- maybe worse with some ROMs than others -- and lack of operating memory can eventually make the phone laggy. I'm no expert, so I don't know exactly why RAM get's consumed and not relinquished, but it's a fact (not always, but often).
I'm using the stock ROM but a bunch of MODS including the cleanup cab file and 64 icons and 1% battery driver to name a few... earlier today I had to use memmaid and then soft reset as the machine would lag.. now its OK...
Some drivers and mods may have memory leaks so maybe one of them is causing this. Can you please tell us your average memory consumption?
Are you on a stock WinMo 6.5 ROM? I find those to be not very optimized in terms of RAM usage. I've been flashing a couple ROMs and I've come to a couple of conclusions:
-Stick with the stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of my device right out of the box.
-If you want WinMo 6.5, use Josh's or Sergio's ROMs. Excellent speed, features, and stability.
-If you want Sense 2.5, don't. Just forget it. It's obviously not meant for our devices. Just too much lag all around.
-If you can live without Sense or TF3D, that'll give you back a whole bunch of free RAM. Good alternatives are SPB Mobile Shell, Titanium, or HTC Home (the Today-plugin from the original HTC Touch).
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Are you on a stock WinMo 6.5 ROM? I find those to be not very optimized in terms of RAM usage. I've been flashing a couple ROMs and I've come to a couple of conclusions:
-Stick with the stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of my device right out of the box.
-If you want WinMo 6.5, use Josh's or Sergio's ROMs. Excellent speed, features, and stability.
-If you want Sense 2.5, don't. Just forget it. It's obviously not meant for our devices. Just too much lag all around.
-If you can live without Sense or TF3D, that'll give you back a whole bunch of free RAM. Good alternatives are SPB Mobile Shell, Titanium, or HTC Home (the Today-plugin from the original HTC Touch).
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I totally agree. The stock 6.1 is the fastest, stable and low ram consumer.
I'm about to give up on this phone. It constantly lags/glitches/resets in messaging, has all kinds of issues with multitasking, and is extremely slow and unreliable.
ANYONE out there that has a fully functioning messaging/internet/calling machine out there - please post what you did from start to finish to create a great phone.
Thank you.
This is my last attempt - been terrible since "upgrading" from AT&T Tilt
I see from your sig that you're using a ROM with Sense 2.5 which may be the source of your problems.
If you want to read my story, keep going. Otherwise, my tip is to "downgrade" to official WinMo 6.1 ROM.
Here's my story:
When I bought the device, I was pleasantly happy with the stock ROM which has WinMo 6.1 and the version of TouchFlo3D that doesn't have the weather in the Home tab.
The 1st ROM I flashed was the official HTC released WinMo 6.5 ROM. Huge mistake. Everything worked but just seemed slower. I've since tried multiple cooked ROMs over the months. They were all faster than the official WinMo 6.5 ROM but there was always a glitch here and there. Often, it was minor enough to be suitable for daily use.
But then I decided recently to switch back to my stock WinMo 6.1 ROM just for the heck of it. It's so much faster and smoother. And everything just works.
Positives of the original WinMo 6.1 ROM over others:
1. Multitasking - Under normal usage, I've never had an application autokill because RAM was running out. This is the case even with Push-Internet enabled. With other ROMs, I can almost never run Opera, Streaming Media, and MSN Messenger at the same time. One of them will certainly autokill.
2. TouchFlo3D smoothness - There's no stuttering and drops in framerates when moving the slider. With other ROMs, (especially Sense2.5) it's never as smooth.
Drawbacks of the original WinMo6.1 ROM over others:
1. Lockscreen - The stock lockscreen of WinMo 6.5 is much more elegant and useful than that of WinMo 6.1
2. TouchFlo3D - It has since been replaced by newer versions with more functionality and eyecandy. But to be honest, the only thing I miss is the weather forecast on the Home tab.
3. Overall finger friendliness in the OS - Dropdown menus and checkboxes are all better in WinMo 6.5.
Its up to you if you want to move back to 6.1....but i hated 6.1... i had more problems with it
With windows 6.1... i had problems with my bluetooth... when i have the bluetooth on my ear for 10 minutes without a call... i lose connection,, i get "lost connection"
With windows 6.5.... the problem was solved... didnt have no bluetooth problems anymore
I want to love my TP2 but ever since I upgraded my OS to 6.5 and other cooked ROM's, I've had issues. WM 6.5 seems to cause my TP 2 either go into standby of death (cant come out of standby) or if and when it eventually decides to come out of it, the screen is frozen.
With cooked ROMS, I have to constantly flash different ROM's in hopes of finding one that is stable and runs smoothly. I have until the 5th of March to either get a replacement TP2 with 6.1 WM running on it or find a cooked ROM that features stability and smoothness.
I found the EnergyROM series to be quite stable and fast for me. Only drawback is you should get the Titanium version instead of the Sense/Manila version. Much much faster.
I have a Tilt2, and the stock 6.5 ROM was slower than molasses. Dunno if you can downgrade the Tilt2 to 6.1.
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
Slow down, notice the subtle nuances then decide
I went from my Wizard to first a Cliq then a Behold 2 before realizing that I am a WinMo girl and going with my first instinct and getting my TP2 (all within my buyers remorse time). I had a stock 6.1 and then "upgraded" to first a stock 6.5, then to cooked variations.
I went back to my stock 6.1
I removed most bloat, added a few updated programs, used Advanced Config to tweak things. My rom doesn't have the pretty Home page with the weather (which frankly is the ONLY thing I miss), but I can go roughly 36 hours with very heavy usage and up to almost 3 days with normal to light usage. It is stable and fast. I have no internet issues, no BT issues, no wifi issues. I do not use email on my phone so I don't know if there is any issue or not, but I do rely heavily on GPS and have had no problems.
I did add some cab files that made little tweaks, like the one that gives me a snooze option on my stock alarm. I did upgrade my Opera to 10 from the stock 9. I use TCPMP as my media player, and removed most of the tab options--keeping only Home, Calendar, Weather, Programs, Settings. I changed my splash screen to a custom one I made, and switched my wallpaper...but other than those minor things, it is a stock rom and I am happy with it.
There will always be a debate over 6.1 vs 6.5 versions...I prefer stability and speed to eye candy, so for me 6.1 wins. I felt 6.5 was like going to Vista. Sure it was prettier, but the "improvements" just didn't feel like an improvement to me.
The best thing to do while you are still in the buyers remorse period is to go stock, add some tweaks and feel it out. From that you can decide if you are a 6.1 person or a 6.5 person. You will also get a basic feel for the device and what it is capable of. Many cooked roms here are great, but as with anything cooked, it is a matter of taste. Perhaps you haven't found your right flavor yet. But if you keep blowing through roms, you aren't getting the full TP2 experience.
Here's an analogy--I was just in Vegas, but this was the first time I really SAW Vegas. There is an old Vegas (6.1 rom) and a new Vegas (6.5 variations). I enjoyed the buffets and shows at old Vegas, but loved the lights and sparkle of new Vegas. You won't know what works for you if you don't check it out individually and linger for a bit. Much like my stay in Vegas, if I blew through it (as you seem to be going through roms), all the subtle nuances would be missed.
THERE ARE WAYS TO TWEAK THE DEVICE. Maybe you just aren't feeling WinMo and need to move to a Droid...some people are like that (I'm not one of those people). As far as a WinMo device goes though, this one is rock solid.
akashastrega said it best
I agree with akashastrega above. Each user has his/her own needs.
I am a power business user of my phone. I use it all day every day for email, calendar, etc. I do not use it as a music player.
I am on Ark's 6.5 ROM (a couple builds ago). It is stable and I have it tweaked to my liking.
I would definitely suggest looking around at the ROMs to find one you like. Some are more sparkly than others and some are more stable than others. Once you find a ROM, decide what tweaks you want/need. And if you are having any issues, serach for solutions.
Just got my Tilt2 and so far have disabled TF3D and added some cabs. Seems to work great. Havent had problems with freezes or anything. Disabling TF3D really made a huge difference and I reallllly like this phone compared to the Fuze I used to have.
Disable TF3D.
Add PocketBreeze, PhoneAlarm and PocketWeather.
Happy camper.
Flash DeepShining Rom and enjoy. Fast, stable and AWESOME.
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
Zylograth said:
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
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cdguider managed to extract the stock 6.1 TMO US ROM, minus the radio anyway (which is still available separately), you can find it and the info in THIS thread
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Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
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In short, you must walk on egg shells or winmo will crash and burn. As far as "smoking" the motodroid, that statement i believe is exaggerated. Yes it may (even then it's a maybe) run a little faster but i wouldn't use the word "smokes". Even if it does run faster, i'm willing to bet your brother hasn't had to do anything anywhere close to what you stated in the book you just wrote about what you did to your phone to make it stable. I don't care what ROM or what apps you install on your winmo phone, the core code is still crap and completely unstable and slow. You can't fix that with a cooked ROM or a 3rd party app.
To answer the original question: My suggestion is to wait for the android port to be completed and install android on your tp2. I've owned several winmo phones dating back to winmo 5 and I am now on the tilt2 with winmo 6.5 and i gotta say 6.5 is the worst of them all. The sms freezing/lagging and the sluggishness will never go away. The current android build isn't fully functional yet but you can make and receive calls, text, and get data on it so I use it about 50% of the time on my tilt2. Blows winmo out of the water as far as stability goes and the port isn't even complete. Looks to me like that's what you're looking for, stability. The only reason I don't use it exclusively is because power management isn't working properly yet so it drains the battery pretty quickly. But progess is being made as we speak.
Good luck.
This device has no bugs at all.
Use stock rom, or NRG rom, with sense 2.1, and WM build 21XXX, and u will see.
Its by far the stablest and smoothest WM device i had, even with the 528 qualcomm proccessor.
The only annoying thing on this device, is the modified bluetooth stack that sometimes causes the device to freeze on activesync via bluetooth.
To add something to this thread.
For the fun of it i tested my Tp2.
Normaly i dont lets apps stay open.
But just to let you all know i openend up
9 applications i started with round 70% free memory.
With all apps open it whent down to 35 % free memory.
Now this is nice to know.......no freeze no glitch and my tf3d slider works perfect.
After closing the apps i have 69% free memory back.
I use this phone alot for the hardware keyboard.( i have Hd2 to)
And i run official rom 2.1 sense.
Hope it helps a litlle.
Greetz.
I have the tilt 2 & I'm running JoshKoss 1.8 sence2.5 full build. It's running fast & stable no freezes or resets. I primary use this phone for e-mails, internet, & phone calls. I'm not into watching movies or listening to music on it.
I play with alot of cooked ROMs and I never really had any problems. I would say that you have to know the device and what you want. Typically after flashing, I will go deep in and turn off whatever that I don't need. So gone with all the auto-updates, gsensor, push internets etc. I even use MemMaid and disable all the startup items, services and notifications that I do not need.
My device runs alot faster and stable as a result.
actually MIGHTY ROM seems to be the bet rom around.. its stable and FAST!!
I'm using my TP2 with the Stock 6.5 & have never faced any problems whatsoever
So here's my dilemma.
TF3D is a memory hog. When I am on the go and say have Bing navigation open and receive a phone call sometimes (not very often to be fair) it quits Bing to free up RAM. Once after it happened to me while on the road I got fed up and installed SPB MobileShell. The amount of available RAM jumped from 60 MB at startup to over 80MB and it stays higher even as the RAM slowly leaks during the day. (Yes I am using various RAM freeing progs but they can only go so far). However, even though SPB MS uses less memory, it feels more sluggish than TF3D, especially while responding to touch but also sometimes when drawing the icons.
Now, I don't run stock MS - it's fugly - I installed Mobile Sense. I also modded TF3D by using Co0kie's Home Tab. So may be the stock MS would perform better.
Yesterday I played with my friend's iPod and the touch responsivness and overall speed of the interface felt leaps and bounds above what I got on my device. By then I've been running MS for a couple of months. So I switched back to TF3D and it's noticeably faster and more responsive - still not as great as the iPod but close.
So, what can I do to free up more RAM ? I don't want to run a custom ROM, not just yet - I've been using WM PDA's for ever and have enough experience with custom ROMs to realize that if it ain't broke you don't fix it unless you just like tinkering with things. As far as I see the stock ROM performs well - everything works the way it should. I no longer have time to spend on chasing my tail fixing issues. (Now I would love to do that I just don't have time).
I also don't like cleanup CABs. Been there, done that and a few HRs to fix the mess they leave behind.
I like to know what I am doing, why I am doing it, and what to expect.
Any suggestion is much appreciated !
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So here's my dilemma.
Yesterday I played with my friend's iPod and the touch responsivness and overall speed of the interface felt leaps and bounds above what I got on my device. By then I've been running MS for a couple of months. So I switched back to TF3D and it's noticeably faster and more responsive - still not as great as the iPod but close.
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That's because the iPod is an MP3 player, not a smartphone.
If you mean the iPhone, than the reason that is smoother is that it manages program memory in a different way by not allowing multi-tasking (even the iOS4 is not true multi-tasking, the apps have to be coded especially for it).
Have you turned off push internet? This it probably the single, easiest way to free up the most program memory, and may save you up to 9mb. Manually cleaning up the Startup folder in Windows of non-essential items may also help.
Flashing a custom ROM is the best way to increase performance of the HTC interface. You say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" But you will find that the right custom ROM is vastly smoother, faster, more stable and fixes lots of other things also. The stock ROMs are much more broken than you think. Also, Sense has replaced TF3D. Still a memory hog, but looks great, and adds lots of great functionality.
Yes, it was the iPhone. My bad. And I know of Apple's functionality limitations - for any future upgrade it's dead last on my list. But still, it's very snappy.
I have the Push Internet turned off - it may be done automatically by Co0kie mod, as I don't recall changing this setting.
I looked at the number of custom ROMs and I see much great work but also lots of posts about trying different radio versions, having problems with GPS / Sprint Nav / Sprint TV / device emitting low-pitched farting noise (just kidding)... in other words, just like in my Axim days, any custom ROM is a trade-off. Unless there's a ROM that's known to have no issues, which I was unable to find (not that I searched hard), I'd rather stick with stock one.
I can't speak for Sprint, as I'm on ATT. I don't really keep up with the CDMA custom ROMs, but on GSM Rhodiums, you can keep the same radio for as long as you want, regardless of how many times you flash custom ROMs.
I've been using Energy since May, and found it fixes so many things in the stock ROM. Some people seemed to have a couple significant bugs (speaker phone not working, and a couple other things) several months ago. But I never experienced those, and those bugs seemed to be completely fixed in later releases. My stock ROM had issues connecting to the HTC weather and stocks (only connected over WiFi), totally fixed by Energy ROM. Video playback on Coreplayer and TCPMP is much smoother. The clock flip glitch on TF3D/Sense is gone. And other annoying aspects are also fixed: battery meter which reads in percent increments, not 10% increments, and displayed in the taskbar. Backgrounds work in every tab. Lots of other stuff I can't think of right now.
There are definitely tradeoffs to custom ROMs when the phones are newer, when the cooks are just getting started, and the custom ROMs are still under heavy development. But many of the Rhodium ROMs (especially the ones released by the most reputable cooks) have reached the maturity level, where there are very few if any bugs. For instance, Energy mostly just keeps tweaking to further improve speed, or to just fix very minor cosmetic things.
There is a downside, in that if you don't have time to tweak your phone, then flashing a ROM may be too much for you right now (getting everything back the way you like it configured). And not everyone believes that flashing a custom ROM is a overall net improvement. But I think the majority will say that it is.
There a couple of other things:
The push internet thing is not really turned off by turning it off (if you know what I mean!) since it stops it donwloading/updatng pages, but keeps Opera in memory ready to be opened quickly - search for NoPushInternet_v2 cab
This is also reported to free RAM: SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy
EDIT: also try searching for: xredjokerx jsmith8858's memory leak mod
I found that Opera 9.7 would quit if more than 1 tab or I had a call/SMS etc - Opera 10 seems not to and takes up less RAM as well as being faster (although zoom bar doesn't work).
I have also read that the standard 6.5 start menu takes up a fair bit of RAM (for what it is) and that there are replacements that use less, but I haven't tried yet.
Also, as well as the RAM issue, you can try overclocking the processor (there are 2 relatively stable ones now specifically for TP2) - I use OCT (at 729MHz) and it helps with Co0kie's Home Tab's animations (CHT does also take up a load of RAM as well I find, but I put up with that), opening apps etc.
However, I am thinking about trying a custom ROM...
try changing the pageppool or trying this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711914 - this should give you like 10-20mb free
You may want to read up on changing the pagepool before you do it. Note that it can only be changed before a flash. This can give you an added 10 to 15 mb. Or you could just always disable TF3D when you need to that should give you up to 40mb free depending on your set up.
This is what I have found from testing and analysis:
Shells
- TF3D adds about 20 MB ram. (Don't use it)
- SPB Mobile Suite adds about 10 MB ram. (Don't use it)
- SPB Pocket Plus adds very little. Best for stability.
Browsers
- Internet Explorer has much memory leak. (Don't use it)
- Opera 9.5 has some memory leak. (Don't use it)
- Opera 10.0 has no memory leak. Best for viewability.
- Opera 5.0 (Java) has no memory leak. Best for speed.
Others
- Messages gradually has memory leak.
- Contacts and calendar dont leak.
- SPB (News, Time, Weather) dont leak.
- Audible, Win Media Player, SPB Radio dont leak.
Office
- Pocket Word, Excel dont leak.
- MADE editor dont leak.
CONCLUSIONS:
I have the following STARTUPS:
- SPB Pocket Plus
- SPB Wireless Monitor
- SPB Phone Suite
- RESCO Today (Shows Free RAM - good for monitoring)
The above is very stable, doesn't leak, and leaves me with 86 MB of free ram on reboot.
I reboot once the free ram drops to about 60 MB; below that the multi-tasking switches become too slow. I will reboot immediately after any of the aforementioned heavy memory leak programs.
Overall, with the above, I need only reboot once every three days - as done voluntarily. The device does NOT hang, by limiting myself to the above.
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for the absolutly best way to get the ultimate performance from my device. Whether its the Orange ROM (WM6.5) or some wee glitch with my phone, ive had issues. I find Sense slow and buggy and have been plagued with freezes and having to rest several times every day. Battery performance has been poor and in general a fantastic machine just wasnt cutting the mustard (even went back to my Kaiser for a while).
The problems seem to be common enough tbh.
Anyway with just a few differences my machine has become the chalk against the previous cheese. A hard rest and forgetting about Sense was the start. Ive replaced it with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.5. Combined with obvious backlight time adjustments, and a few 'Advanced Config' tweaks, my Touch Pro 2 has just become a different machine!
Much more smooth and resets just arent necessary.
Ive sacraficed Opera for the latest Opera Mini. More than adequate for my purposes and the interface is actually handier to use for people whos internet access is concentrated on just a few sites/ forums.
Im not on here advertising SPB by the way, just what ive found myself!
Unless you are a massive super user, i dont find the need for OCT or the like. I use MSM most of the day, regular Opera Mini, heavy SMS and occasional Word Mobile and find hte above arrangement brilliant.
Has anyone else any suggestions in the same vein that can help even more?? I am, and im sure most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q
I prefer CHT with OCT. My device absolutely flies. When it begins to lag a bit after using more than 5 apps, I just CleanRAM custom. Works like a charm. I have found that the device will work at maximum performance when installing everything to the Storage Card. Having all the RAM available for the OS keeps it faster for me. It seems that there is a performance difference when you have 70Gb as opposed to 50Gb. CleanRAM really is the greatest thing for this device.
I tried SPB Shell a few months ago, but I think CHT is much better. Theres way more customization and I find it easier to navigate. You just put your favorite apps in 3 pages. The Shell had things needlessly in different locations and into sub categories. It just didn't suit me.
use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
Quincey113 said:
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for
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most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
Q
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uncleswoop said:
use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
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I was trying to use a modded HTC Home plugin with HTC Home Customizer but ran up against too many problems, so I've returned to Sense for now. I'm hoping to flash a new ROM sometime soon, once I've reinstalled XP and 7 on my PC (I've only got Vista left as running normally, and dislike it too much to rely on it). I've also installed SPB shell on my wife's Acer e200, so was considering it, but I want to finish running some tests with the graphics drivers available here, with sense vs. sense turned off and some minor media playback issues first.
oh, i should have said. flashing is pretty much ur only way to improve what you want.
soooo.... if flash is a no go... new device maybe?