Hi folks,
Got my TP2 to replace my Uni just over a month ago (I know the TP2 is an old phone now, but I could not upgrade until now, and its taken me 4 years to replace the Uni).
Anyway, I love the phone, but my god is so SLOWWWW and so BUGGY and just generally unreliable. Now on my Uni, I was running a Hybrid of 6.1/6.5 that I put on it last May, and it is awsome, its not 100% stable, but it certainly feels faster and is far more reliable than the TP2.
Anyway, i have been jumping backwards and forwards between Sense and Windows Mobile "today" screen, and the difference in just that seems remarkable.
When Sense is running, not only does it seem to be using about 25MB more RAM, but it suffers a hell of a lot of slowdowns, SOD instances, and generally, whilst it can be quite nippy at times, the amount of times it just hangs or is slow, makes the phone next to useless!! I have to restart it at least 4 times a day, sometimes even more. Messaging is almost unusable, and the amount of times I have felt like throwing the phone in the bin is unreal (and cant be healthy).
Now when I turn the Sense off (as much as you can, it still interferes with messaging etc and makes it run like a pile of poo) everything seems lightning fast with very few slowdowns, and certainly no massive halts in what it is doing. I can't recall the last time I had an SOD problem, and I have had the phone on for 2 days now and not a restart.
When you get into pure WinMo interfaces (not made to look nice by Sense) they are so smooth, scrolling is as responsive as the iPhone (which I hate but it makes my TP2 look like a piece of poo and im embarrassed by it to be frank because of the bugginess), it appears to be all the crap HTC have done to the phone that is causing the problems.
Now I need to change the ROM for a more stable one regardless of anything, and have been considering the Energy ROM for about a week (reading up on it, still not clear how to change the ROM, jeeze it was so much easier with the Uni). I was originally considering the Std Sense 2.5 version, but after reading the coment about the Cookie HomeTab being how Sense should have been designed, I was considering that instead.
After running WinMo without the main Sense interface on the phone however, and seeing it running a lot smoother, I have been reconsidering my decision.
I need this phone to run with as little in the way of hassle as problem, I dont want to be constantly fighting a losing battle to keep it stable and reliable, I dont want to be taking 10 minutes to type a text or use IE (I do use Opera Mini for most things, but like IE from time to time) just because the interface is slowing everything down. Do peeps think that the Energy ROM with the Cookie HomeTab interface is the way to go, or does it still have issues, and I should stick with a stock install of Windows Mobile and only Windows Mobile.
I appreaciate your thoughts... I can't believe how HTC can release a phone with such bugged up software as this and actually expect consumers to use it, imho, my phone is not even as stable as one would expect the software to be in BETA stages, nevermind as a public release. I work on the development team for TopUp TV in Europe (we deal with the propietary software that runs on all the set-top boxes) so I know what to expect from public software, and this is certainly not fit for use, and if this is the way HTC are going, then the TP2 will be the final HTC I ever buy (in fact if I can't get it stable, it will be on eBay and ill be back on my Uni).
Current phone info:
OS Version - 5.2.21887
Manilla Version - 2.5.20121225.0
ROM Version - 2.07.401.1 (80303)
ROM Date - 02/04/10
Radio Version - 4.49.25.91
Shame to hear you had such bad experience.
I´m quite happy with my Rhodium, which tweaked properly works great!
And I also have an Uni
If you're looking on step by step instructions there's a sticky in the ROM Dev forum called "Flashing your first rom" if you have a GSM version (looks like it based on radio version). That'll take you through the how.
Now if all you want is a fast, stable rom, i'd recommend staying away from Sense 2.5. The fastest, stablest Energy rom is going to be the Sense 2.1 running on the 21xxx branch (currently 21901). See my sig for a link to the thread. Once you start going into the 23xxx branch or Sense 2.5 you start piling on additional features which tie up more resources. It's a trade off of eye candy for speed.
While I agree that HTC's Sense is generally more trouble than it's worth, aside from increased memory usage and occasional stuttering, it works just fine for me. I simply prefer the default WinMo interfaces. And I do not think anyone likes HTC Messaging, that part is horribly bugged and slow.
There are many ROMs or variants of which that do not have any Sense components built in, I believe there is an Energy ROM that uses Titanium as the default shell.
I would suggest to you the Cosmik Debris ROM here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=608009
It is based on WinMo 6.1 so it will probably be familiar to what you were using on your Uni, and out of all the ROMs I've tried it seems to have the least amount of HTC software built in (there always seems to be some left, you will defiantly want to disable the HTC dialer).
If you do not mind the classic WinMo (pre-titanium) today screen, or plan on using a third party one such as Spb, I think 6.1 is a good way to go. I've not found any advantage at all to running 6.5 besides a startmenu that looks like it was just carpet bombed.
got no problems using Sense 2.5....if you dont like it, try Sense 2.1 which is hecka quicker than 2.5 just no Twitter tab....im only on Sense for the sake of twitter and the fact all info is there all in one piece
I'm with the OP... My Sprint Rhodium was working fairly well prior to my update to WinMo 6.5 (stock ROM)... Afterwards, the boot time was slow, sometimes Sense just wouldn't load at all. Going to any tab was initially, painfully slow. Loading apps was not TOO much slower than 6.1, but it was still leaving a lot to be desired. So about 4 days ago, I switched from Sense to the WinMo 6.5 default today screen.. BAM! Problems gone.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on HTC's Sense, I think it's great, the UI is awesome, it's just buggy... Perhaps there's some versions of the phone (think: manufacturing batches) that have issues with the newer software. Because OP is definitely not alone.
Sticking with WinMo's 6.5 Default - Mark
I just don't think the rhodium has the ram or the processor for sense 2.5. I gave up on sense a while ago. and even though 2.5 with cookie 1.8 is very nice looking, I'll take my custom cooked 23563 sys with 3.5.3 mobile shell on top. very fast and not buggy at all. everything works as it should.
since you have tried it with sense off, try the trial version of mobile shell or just stick with titanium. Some people are happier with that.
fyi, I have never had a SOD with sense not on my phone.
I second the previous poster's recommendation of SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.3. I've been using it since V2, and it's great. It only uses 4-6 MB of RAM. It's about as customizable as one could wish for right out of the box. As for ROM, I've been using Sergio76's Leo Cell Pro version 9.1 for a few days now, and I haven't had any hangs requiring restart or SOD. I've had SOD's without Sense, but that was only in the 23xxx branch. Serg's Pro series is on the 21xxx branch, the latest being 21901 in V 9.1. It's made of win and profit. Make sure you grab the one with no HTC Messaging or CHT.
Best combination stays the stock HTC 6.1 ROM with TouchFlo for me. The TouchFlo interface is very light on the hardware and looks smooth.
The newer Manilla 2.1 looks nice, but slows down here and there, together with WM6.5 it eats RAM!
I tried the Manilla 2.5, and it looks ugly (to me) with the big fat icons at the bottom together with allot of lag It's very noticeble that it's designed for the HD2, wich has allot more horsepower!
I like the fact that TouchFlo still keeps things finger-friendly ^^
Grtz,
FeareX
FeareX said:
Best combination stays the stock HTC 6.1 ROM with TouchFlo for me. The TouchFlo interface is very light on the hardware and looks smooth.
The newer Manilla 2.1 looks nice, but slows down here and there, together with WM6.5 it eats RAM!
I tried the Manilla 2.5, and it looks ugly (to me) with the big fat icons at the bottom together with allot of lag It's very noticeble that it's designed for the HD2, wich has allot more horsepower!
I like the fact that TouchFlo still keeps things finger-friendly ^^
Grtz,
FeareX
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The bottom icons are not Sense 2.5; they are the newer version of WM6. I am using 2.5, and my start menu is in the upper left, not the lower left.
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The bottom icons are not Sense 2.5; they are the newer version of WM6. I am using 2.5, and my start menu is in the upper left, not the lower left.
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The new Sense 2.5 has those 3 big shortcut icons at the bottom (which turn to 9 when sliding up); that's likely what FeareX means.
ridolfo said:
The new Sense 2.5 has those 3 big shortcut icons at the bottom (which turn to 9 when sliding up); that's likely what FeareX means.
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Oh, is that Sense? I thought it was any WM 6 version with 6.5.x instead of just 6.5?
EDIT: Oh, the shortcut icons. I'm using Co0kies Home Tab, which has currently 25 shortcuts on 4 pages under my settings - 100 shortcuts. My ROM burned CHT into the mix and I've not used the "stock" sense 6.5.
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Oh, is that Sense? I thought it was any WM 6 version with 6.5.x instead of just 6.5?
EDIT: Oh, the shortcut icons. I'm using Co0kies Home Tab, which has currently 25 shortcuts on 4 pages under my settings - 100 shortcuts. My ROM burned CHT into the mix and I've not used the "stock" sense 6.5.
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You are confusing Sense, which is an HTC UI, with Windows Mobile, which is an operating system.
Sense UI comes in three different versions for our phone:
Sense 2.0 no eye candy, stock
Sense 2.1 colored slider, programs tab
Sense 2.5 Twitter, facebook tabs, quick launch icons on homepage
Then there is WM, which has too many versions for our phone:
WM 6.1
WM 6.5
WM 6.5.3
WM 6.5.5
Here is info about WM:
http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714
burtonsnow8 said:
You are confusing Sense, which is an HTC UI, with Windows Mobile, which is an operating system.
Sense UI comes in three different versions for our phone:
Sense 2.0 no eye candy, stock
Sense 2.1 colored slider, programs tab
Sense 2.5 Twitter, facebook tabs, quick launch icons on homepage
Then there is WM, which has too many versions for our phone:
WM 6.1
WM 6.5
WM 6.5.3
WM 6.5.5
Here is info about WM:
http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714
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Actually, I think the OP was the one confused.
I don't think the original author was talking about Sense. I'm assuming he has the large soft keys found in the newer WM, which has the taskbar on the bottom rather than the top. Mine is OS build 21x; the bottom taskbar is builds 23x. That is OS, not Sense. But it was actually a bit difficult to make out what the OP was having problems with.
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Not quite. He is saying with Sense UI loaded his phone is slow. Without Sense UI his phone is responsive but looks like crap.
I would suggest trying SPB mobile shell if you don't like Sense UI. Also titanium has some nice mods which can look good.
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Not quite. He is saying with Sense UI loaded his phone is slow. Without Sense UI his phone is responsive but looks like crap.
I would suggest trying SPB mobile shell if you don't like Sense UI. Also titanium has some nice mods which can look good.
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I must be the only one left who thinks good old classic Windows Mobile today screen looks just fine.
Absolutely every piece of information you need on one screen in a simple functional list. Easily customizable as well.
It is a beautiful sight to see how quickly WinMo boots up without having to load Sense.
Thans for the all info folks, I have spent the past week or so plodding along with the standard WinMo interface, and considering my options, using the info in this thread a guide...
Anyway, I am pleased to say the slugishness and text messaging problems of the stock ROM even with Sense disabled got too much for me, and I ended up changing the ROM...
I took a risk and decided to throw a Sense ROM on to begin with, thinking what the hell, if it struggles, ill just change it as ill notice problems pretty quickly.
I went for the Leo Cell Evo 9.1 23562 running Windows Mobile 6.5.5 and Sense and WITHOUT the HTC Messaging crap that plagued the stock ROM... and so far, I have to say, I am extremely impressed, everything runs smooth and fast, with no crashing, no SOD (yet), no massive slowdowns or hangs, and Sense is at last a dream to use, it is working how it should be!!
I am absolutely made up with this ROM, but I am also appalled at HTC's decision to expect the stock ROM to be suitable for this phone, as its only really suitable for odd call every now and again (its a £400 smartphone ffs, people dont buy them for the odd call now and again).
The ROM totally puts HTC and their development team to shame, and they should be ashamed of themselves - I have emailed them to let them know of my complete disappointment with the phone compared to my old Uni (out of the box) as I felt it was not fit for purpose with the stock ROM installed, and have mentioned the fact I have changed to a custom XDAD ROM and finally have a phone that works as it should - but why should I have to do this, and how can they expect to sell these phones to people who are not so involved or interested in modding and ROM's etc (the TP2 is aimed solely at the business user as far as im concerned, indeed the conference calling features, and the fact only Vodafone Business sell it through their retail channel in the UK suggest this to me - I got it on o2, but from a 3rd party supplier, o2 themselves dont do the phone). A business user does not want a phone that gives them hassle, they simply want on that works and is productive, with the best efficiency and no problems.
Maybe its HTC's way of saying to the world "get over to Android and save us the license fee's for WinMo" because I can't honestly see why they would release such a flawwed product when the hardware itself is fine, when using a working ROM, which HTC are either unable to, or don't want to release.
Anyway, once again XDA Developers have come to the rescue, and a well earned donation will be going to the team behind the Leo Cell ROM's next week!!
THANK YOU!! :-D
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So, had my Hermes for several years now and tried many ROMs and UIs in that time.
Now we seem to have a two main choices for UI: Manila or Titanium.
I've found both of these UI's take up a lot of resources and they're buggy, especially the new fancy versions of Titanium and I'm having to soft-reset frequently which I find frustrating.
In order to get a cast iron, fast phone, I'm even considering flashing a modern ultralite ROM and putting HTC Home 2 on there.
Any other suggestions either as to:
1. A UI thats easy to install and doesn't take up masses of RAM
2. A ROM with a modern, none buggy version of Titanium/Manila which still have about 25M RAM?
i was using hermes for several months, bricked it and after several months i unbricked it. it is very usefull phone for me. but youre right. if i have to reset every here and there, its not a point.
recently i tested roms from lets say first 10 posts in this forum. tonight im going to install darkvisions 5.15 and add a few things that i miss. titanium launcher, i.e.
i hope that will satisfy me until i learn how to cook or untill somebody makes something better
No matter what the starter RAM is, open up the menu's and phone canvas and you're probably down by nearly 4M already.
Outlook and contacts seem pretty good, only about 1M for both.
Then Nimbuzz is a whopping 6M which is still better than running messenger and skype together.
Add on IE and its another 1.3 (not sure what opera is as my skills can't switch to mem usage without killing Opera )
So, for the basics its about 12-13M from the baseline
I've found TAI's version 14/15 pretty good so far around 23M free (with activesync running). Means, with my essential apps running, I'm around 10-11M free. Means I can still run Google maps, word etc ok.
It would be nice to have beautiful Manila or fancy Titanium (bug free) and about 20-23M free, just not found it yet. Any suggestions?
slowndes - I'm in the same place as you:
I'd got frustrated with my WM5 Hermes (SPV M3100) as Home2Pro and lovely community applets were rendering it slow, unstable and with poor battery life.
I tried several OEM ROMs and with/without custom ROMs on top; and then running Home2Pro. Certainly I get better performance with OEM ROM only.
But I now want PointSuite v2... And I think the "stripped" AT&T OEM ROM - used by many chefs - is still too "heavyweight" for my requirements. I'm still looking for a very light WM6.1 OEM.
And, after hours of hunting through these hallowed pages, I'm still looking.
Any ideas from anyone out there?
Since my last post, I'm downloading a couple of potential WM6.1 bare ROMs:
Black Satin - been around for a while now, but consistently good feedback;
CRC_r13.4_Naked_BigStorage - latest incarnation and offers a lot of space.
I'll road-test these over the coming few days, with Home2Pro and PointSense suite v2 on 'em; and I'll post my findings into this thread.
Oooo - installed CRC WM6.1 as per above; which, in its raw state, is a slick and sexy ROM.
And then I installed Home2Pro on top; plus my usual WiFi modem / Opera Mobile 9.7 / DinarSoft RAM optimisation applications.
(I've left off PointSense v2 Suite until 2.0.1.1 comes out - 2.0.0.4 has a few integrity issues it seems).
But I'm getting the lightning-fast speed and stability I've been looking for.
I am one very happy bunny. I recommend this. A lot.
I used to use whatever 6.1 ROM and install SBP mobile shell. Its pretty bulletproof, but not really that integrated into the phone, just a pretty surface.
I used Josh's SpringTime build pretty much for the entire summer, until I dropped my phone and the RED / GREEN buttons stopped working all the time. VERY WEIRD, but I decided to flash to FCW's new rom.
Its called Red Mist and its Build 23004.5.3.0 (according to the About screen). You can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=509194
I also installed PdG TouchFLO 2D dialer. It REALLY helps when you have big fingers. I have mis-dialed since. You can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429179
I flashed the OEM Stripped rom first. I think it makes a difference.
My phone has not worked this well in a LONG time.
If you looking for WM 6.1 for me the most stable is faria.r32
now im with dark vision 5.0 the plathform is 6.5, but for 2 days i cant tell you nothing special about it just nice look, many apps
carcomp said:
I think it makes a difference.
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You think well - it really makes a difference
I'm in the same position as the first Poster. Now I trying all the Complete-Roms, then the Light ROMs with SPB Mobile Shell, PointUI, Manilla, Homescreen++, Wisbar Adcance, ..., and then hopefully have another ROM for the next Years, as Schaps ROMs was for me in the past.
Trial and Error....
Is there a thread/wiki with a comparative of free RAM from various ROMs? The xda-wiki one is quite outdated. How about all of us post the free RAM after a clean install + customizations + reset?
I'll start off first:
CRC_r13.4-naked / 5.2.20270 / WM6.1 - 26.86 MB
slowndes said:
...Now we seem to have a two main choices for UI: Manila or Titanium....
1. A UI thats easy to install and doesn't take up masses of RAM
2. A ROM with a modern, none buggy version of Titanium/Manila which still have about 25M RAM?
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Take also a look to other UIs which somtimes uses less memory:
Homescreen++ more Skins more Manilla Theme more more / Battery Status
ThrottleLauncher
UltimateLaunch
PointUI
iPhoneToday
...
I'm on a Topaz and still waiting for our official WM6.5 ROM to be released (26th October is the date) and I wonder how fast and smooth the ROM is for you guys? I find all the custom ROMS for Topaz to be sluggish even tho the RAM usage is the same as WM6.1 (40-50%). So tell me guys
anybody have the theme from the 6.5 rom? im tired of the ugly microsoft one on my phone. i figure ill check out htcs 6.5 theme.
Coming from a person that likes "screen candy", but prefers performance - I am disappointed with 6.5 on my stock TP2 - Its not a complete failure, but to me you can tell its a vista type upgrade which the phone can't really handle.. its not as quick as 6.1 simply because its spending all its time dealing with the candy.
ArtieQ said:
I'm on a Topaz and still waiting for our official WM6.5 ROM to be released (26th October is the date) and I wonder how fast and smooth the ROM is for you guys? I find all the custom ROMS for Topaz to be sluggish even tho the RAM usage is the same as WM6.1 (40-50%). So tell me guys
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Window dressing
IMHO the upgrade is little more than Window(s)dressing.
a smear of screen candy added to WM 6.1.
They ought to have named it WM6.1.0.1. Yes i know. It´s their product and their right to "name their baby" but DAMN!!
Don´t get me wrong. I am not thinking of jumping ship and i upgraded as well.
I just can´t help i feeling like i bought a new screwdriver because the old one didn´t have a handle in "this years colours"
On top of that i seem to have received some stability issues together with the "upgrade". Haven´t nailed the problem yet and maybe it´s a user error, but at the very least i think it´s safe to state that stability in my experience haven´t improved one bit.
Regards
ELO
So how fluid is the startmenu for you guys? I remember it was very laggy on every custom ROM I've tried.
The whole phone could be described as laggy now, not a deal breaker - just a disappointment when your actually trying to use it and menus take a little longer to display etc...
Not only did the phone get slow and laggy with the new 6.5 update, there is also several bugs.
For instance when I turned off the phone with wifi enabled, then when I turned the phone back on, the wifi did not work or show in the notification area, but when I went in to Comm Manager the wifi appeared to be enabled. So I had to disable and then again enable the wifi to use it again.
I have tried to install/flash it a couple of times with the same result, but now I went back to 6.1 and is happy with my TP2 again.
I do not know what HTC thought of when they released this buggy and slow 6.5 update.
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For instance when I turned off the phone with wifi enabled, then when I turned the phone back on, the wifi did not work or show in the notification area, but when I went in to Comm Manager the wifi appeared to be enabled. So I had to disable and then again enable the wifi to use it again.
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This problem is bothering me.. I can't belive HTC do not test its update!
sounds to me that TP2 owners should stay away from the upgrade to 6.5, not only because of the aferementioned problems, but also because a lot of owners are not happy with the (coloured) icons in the revised TF3D.
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This problem is bothering me.. I can't belive HTC do not test its update!
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I think it is a nice "feature". If you start a program that needs network it automatically turn on WiFi if it was enabled before it was turned off. You do not need to turn off and on again in Comm Mangager.
skjelnes said:
I think it is a nice "feature". If you start a program that needs network it automatically turn on WiFi if it was enabled before it was turned off. You do not need to turn off and on again in Comm Mangager.
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Same here, I prefer the implementation now, you can leave WI FI on and it will only connect when you need it, not whenever it is range of a router.
Tom
skjelnes said:
I think it is a nice "feature". If you start a program that needs network it automatically turn on WiFi if it was enabled before it was turned off. You do not need to turn off and on again in Comm Mangager.
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Oh.. It is TRUE!!! WOW!!! I did not understand this feature! It's wonderful! Thank you!
skjelnes said:
I think it is a nice "feature". If you start a program that needs network it automatically turn on WiFi if it was enabled before it was turned off. You do not need to turn off and on again in Comm Mangager.
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That's not what happened on my device. I did try to open Opera after I turned on the phone (when wifi appeared to be disabled in the notification area) but it started connecting to 3G instead of wifi, eventhough wifi actually appeared to be enabled in Comm Manager.
My experiences with the official 6.5 ROM
I have been a WM-user for many years and now my way around the system.
With this ROM I have been through several reflashes and "install-test-restart-install-test-restart-reinstallations" on my unbranded Danish TP2/Rhodium.
+ Nice new IE
+ Nice HTC Sense UI
+ WM 6.5 is a fresh breeze: It is more finger friendly and more colour full than before)
- HTC Sense UI constantly lags
- Bug in "Detailed Power Details" Seems to reset itself so it is hard to keep a statistic of daily usage. Go to-> Settings->System->Power Options
- Spontaneous shutdowns -> Had three in one day, without even using the phone!? Had to remove cover and battery.
- Lag in TomTom got worse than in WM 6.1 (might be TomTom or HTCs fault).
- The keyboard icon on the soft button panel often disappaers and I have to restart the phone to get it back.
- Uses more memory. Idle usage is mostly between 75-80% and often even higher. This makes it difficult to really multitask with several open applications.
- Start menu seems sluggish and not smooth scrolling.
- Delayed sound notifications on text messages
- Multitasking is slooow
In general WM 6.5 seems slow and "laggy" compared to the "old" 6.1.
Yes, it's a "new" OS, but so much worse than 6.1? I don't get it....
HTC (and MS?), IMHO this is a bummer....I am for sure on my way back to 6.1
/The Chozen
TheChozen said:
I have been a WM-user for many years and now my way around the system.
With this ROM I have been through several reflashes and "install-test-restart-install-test-restart-reinstallations" on my unbranded Danish TP2/Rhodium.
+ Nice new IE
+ Nice HTC Sense UI
+ WM 6.5 is a fresh breeze: It is more finger friendly and more colour full than before)
- HTC Sense UI constantly lags
- Bug in "Detailed Power Details" Seems to reset itself so it is hard to keep a statistic of daily usage. Go to-> Settings->System->Power Options
- Spontaneous shutdowns -> Had three in one day, without even using the phone!? Had to remove cover and battery.
- Lag in TomTom got worse than in WM 6.1 (might be TomTom or HTCs fault).
- The keyboard icon on the soft button panel often disappaers and I have to restart the phone to get it back.
- Uses more memory. Idle usage is mostly between 75-80% and often even higher. This makes it difficult to really multitask with several open applications.
- Start menu seems sluggish and not smooth scrolling.
- Delayed sound notifications on text messages
- Multitasking is slooow
In general WM 6.5 seems slow and "laggy" compared to the "old" 6.1.
Yes, it's a "new" OS, but so much worse than 6.1? I don't get it....
HTC (and MS?), IMHO this is a bummer....I am for sure on my way back to 6.1
/The Chozen
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Thanks for the long review dude, I will not upgrade to WM6.5 when they release the update for TD2, WM6.1+SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 is good enough for me at the moment.
ArtieQ said:
I'm on a Topaz and still waiting for our official WM6.5 ROM to be released (26th October is the date) and I wonder how fast and smooth the ROM is for you guys?
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Neither of the words "fast" or "smooth" are appropriate for the official WM6.5 ROM on the TP2. "Slow", "sluggish" and "laggy" are more the sort of words I found myself using.
After 2 days of using 6.5, by the end of which I was ready to give up on the HTC and buy an iPhone, I went back to the official 6.1 ROM.
There isn't that much extra graphic flashiness in 6.5 - certainly not enough to justify the seriously adverse effect it has on responsiveness of the user interface. I'm wondering if this is a deliberate ploy by HTC to persuade TP2 owners who want 6.5 to upgrade to a new device...
wm 6.5 has problems but the problem about memory is just the HTC Sense item, HTC Manila in 6.1 was faster due to graphics... i think we do not need such quality in graphics (because that made the HTC Sense slowerr) i closed HTC Sense and added other today items and works much better than 6.1!! HTC is trying to get better today screen than the other WM phones, this makes it much better but slower . but, i think HTC and iphone have much differences. Whatever for me; Windows Mobile and HTC are the best!!
I flashed probably the best cooked WM6.5 ROM for Topaz and I saw no difference with HTC Sense on/off, it was same sluggishness with both.
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wm 6.5 has problems but the problem about memory is just the HTC Sense item, HTC Manila in 6.1 was faster due to graphics... i think we do not need such quality in graphics (because that made the HTC Sense slowerr) i closed HTC Sense and added other today items and works much better than 6.1!! HTC is trying to get better today screen than the other WM phones, this makes it much better but slower . but, i think HTC and iphone have much differences. Whatever for me; Windows Mobile and HTC are the best!!
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On both WM6.1 and WM6.5, I hack the registry to turn off as much of the HTC customisation as possible, and HTC Sense is the first thing to go. Even with all the HTC additions switched off, WM6.5 itself uses 50% of the program memory - WM6.1 used less than 40%. The sluggishness is still there with the default Windows today screen and start menu on 6.5. It may well be worse with HTC Sense enabled, but disabling it does not make 6.5 on the TP2 anywhere near as fast and responsive as 6.1.
My positive experience with the official 6.5 ROM
i thought i had better post as i am obviously lucky, as my TP2 (UK unbranded) is working so much quicker in the 6.5 rom. slider is much quicker to respond with no lag, and the "grid" menu of programs is instamt on key press. I was impressed when first using. I used for a week and then installed Pocket Shield, expecting it to take a performance hit. But no, it is still working quicker than before. I then started to add a few programs, and as has been posted the memory usage does go to 80% from time to time, but I still have a quick device. what have i got that is different?
I will now start tweaking to give other improvements.
I had to post to give a balanced view.
Does anything think they have the fastest Manila 2.5 ROM?
I'm trying to find one, that has fluent animations, quick response/no lag, but does not eat lots of RAM, 65% max.
Is this possible?
I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, but I've read (and personally found out) that WinMo 6.1 uses less RAM.
All the ROM's I've used use around 78-90% ram, which means I can't run any apps!
My Current ROm seems pretty good(Sun Y), but when some parts are a little laggy and stil uses quite a bit of RAM.
Think this will help alot of people if chefs try to work on a ROM like this. I know it's hard because looking for a Manila ROM is looking for a RAM eating ROM too but I'm sure it's possible, with lots of tweaking..
Oh and don't know if you've noticed on your diamonds, how annoying it is when you slide through contacts, sms, email inbox etc, that it's 'cutty' and laggy ,rather than the iphone style where its smooth and good feedback.
trying to find this in the ROM too.
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Oh and don't know if you've noticed on your diamonds, how annoying it is when you slide through contacts, sms, email inbox etc, that it's 'cutty' and laggy ,rather than the iphone style where its smooth and good feedback.
trying to find this in the ROM too.
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the problem is, the iPhone OS was written FOR the iPhone. Eventuall iPhoneOS7 or whatever will come out and will require hardware far better than the iphone...it will never be ported becuase apple dont like that sort of thing.
Manilla 2.5 was NEVER supposed to run on the diamond...it just hasnt got the hardware to do it properly.
Manilla 2.1 works fine, no problems, fast as you like...this was ALSO never supposed to run on the diamond, but it's been ported successfully becuase the phones is WAS supposed to run on arent far off the diamond hardware wise.
2.5 doesnt
yet
also this may sound stupid but many ppl actually doesnt know how to use slider correctly...
we dont have that iphone glass screens we have resistive screens actually made for stylus. if u want to move it use little bit of nail and u see how smooth it scrolls
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
I will be releasing my ROM soon... You can follow the progress of the ROM on Twitter. (see my sig)
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I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
I will be releasing my ROM soon... You can follow the progress of the ROM on Twitter. (see my sig)
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This sounds promising! I will be keeping an eye out!
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I'm trying to find one, that has fluent animations, quick response/no lag, but does not eat lots of RAM, 65% max.
Is this possible?
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No. As simple as that.
Manila 2.5 consumes alot - because it can do alot - as soon as scrolling through a couple of pages, and it will increase to at least 75% on WM6.1 no matter how light it is. If you want Manila, just cope with that. If you can't, forget about Manila.
And please stop comparing WM devices with that iphone crap. That's two different worlds. That iphone thing has 10% of the features of a WM device, and it sucks as a cell phone (which it is also supposed to be - not just an mp3 player).
Dom1n8tr1x said:
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
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36mb free means 69% on startup. That's quite a few mb more than Kisja's 6.1 ROM with Sense 2.5, so I hope you'll be able to tune that down a bit And I recommend you to free up way more storage. 50mb on main storage is not much!
I'd love to test your ROM when it's out, I hope you'll get it all to come out nice! Keep up the work!
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No. As simple as that.
Manila 2.5 consumes alot - because it can do alot - as soon as scrolling through a couple of pages, and it will increase to at least 75% on WM6.1 no matter how light it is. If you want Manila, just cope with that. If you can't, forget about Manila.
And please stop comparing WM devices with that iphone crap. That's two different worlds. That iphone thing has 10% of the features of a WM device, and it sucks as a cell phone (which it is also supposed to be - not just an mp3 player).
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I'm not comparing how good the iphone is - if you ask me you'll find I'm rather against the iPhone and its over rated popularity. The only thing that I apreciate from the iphone is it's 3.5mm jack that so many phones fail to have, as well as smooth scrolling.
Never said the iphone was better than WM.
confused as h3ll
Two days of reading and no choice for my first CustomROM.
I have the Diamond from more than a year with the last HTC Rom and I like it very much... really fast (lightning) and responsive. The only problem is that I want to try something new, haven't decided yet 2.5 or 2.1 and 6.1 or 6.5 I guess I have to give it a try. So can you give me a point to start from, a Rom that you liked... for now I'm thinking of donsalari's roms but more reading to come.
Anyway I totally agree with longice's comment about the iPhone bullsh*ts
Benkos is allright...
But like I said It's hard to find one which will give you more RAM and have manila 2.5/wm6.5.
And SUN Y is good too.
I've found SUN Y's to be the one with most response as well as easthetics..
THe most fluent ROM i've used is NRG's, except so much RAM Is used you can't even use the camera and some points
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Two days of reading and no choice for my first CustomROM.
I have the Diamond from more than a year with the last HTC Rom and I like it very much... really fast (lightning) and responsive. The only problem is that I want to try something new, haven't decided yet 2.5 or 2.1 and 6.1 or 6.5 I guess I have to give it a try. So can you give me a point to start from, a Rom that you liked... for now I'm thinking of donsalari's roms but more reading to come.
Anyway I totally agree with longice's comment about the iPhone bullsh*ts
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I've had great experinces with the Gen.Y ROM's, high recommended!
I'm currently tryin the SUN Y 6.1 rom with sense, and after a bit it can get very ram hungry, but that's mainly sense. I tried the 6.5 with sense and that was just rubbish, around 90% RAM after like 10 mins... Now i'm waiting on the RC2 of the SUN rom
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Mod, please close it.
the fastest rom i ever used is 2.11 offical
but love cook rom and now 6.1 + TF3D 2.5
that my choose.
Deep Shining
It's a pity there are no more deepshining roms as they were the best, fast repsonsive and lots of memory to run apps, i have tried almost all the roms available and everytime I come back to deep shining 8.2.
Got to download the kitchen he release and have a go at updating to build 21876 and Sense UI 2.5
I'll be waiting ....
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It's a pity there are no more deepshining roms as they were the best, fast repsonsive and lots of memory to run apps, i have tried almost all the roms available and everytime I come back to deep shining 8.2.
Got to download the kitchen he release and have a go at updating to build 21876 and Sense UI 2.5
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I'm waiting for U. I also used the Deepshining 8.2 and until now no other rom handled the speed and free ram better than this one.
sense 2.5 isn't a perfect port to diamond or diamond dose not have the necesary resrources to driveit right.I haven't seen one rom on the forum that has smooth sense 2.5 and when i say smooth i say like manila 1.X
If you want a fast and stable WinMo6.6 with Sense 2.1, find the DonSalari's Rom.
I've been looking and sometime even cooking some roms for a few years and this ROM was my choice.
WM6.1 is much faster and stable than 6.5. I also always wanted to stick with new 6.5.x builds, but then tried Gen.Y wm6.1. It's way faster and smoother, especially sense. Also ram usage is 10-20 percent lower.
Also, sense 2.1 seems to be way smoother than sense 2.5, especially seen right after soft reset, when it has to fully load tabs yet, so scrolling through tabs in 2.5 is not smooth
I have also tried allmost all of the roms on this site. Now i'm using the Shaks. P v4.30 ROM with wm6.1. It's a clean rom without manila and with all the originall HTC stuff + some additional applications. Now I'm using this Rom with spb ms 3.5.2.
The best wm6.5 i have tried is also the Don Salaris rom but it has some bugs and i have to soft-reset my device quite offten.
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The problema its not the RAM coz sense 2.5 lags badly on Blackstone with more ram then the diamond so what is the problem? the CPU could be? the port of sense 2.5 is bad?
I bought my Hero a few weeks ago because I dug the SenseUI (it looked better than the standard Android UI) and because there was an update to 2.1 promised.
At the moment I'm a little bit afraid of two things:
1. There will not be an update. There really are great apps out there requiring 2.0+ and many features I could use like built in VPN support.
2. If there will be an update it might look ugly as hell. From what I've seen from the leaked Expresso ROM, I can only hope that they won't do that ugly **** for the Hero update... actually I just hope they will never really release that design. The current SenseUI looks original, slick, elegant, starting with the home screen, to the individual app icon designs. Sounds stupid, but that stuff really looks neat unlike the Expresso UI I've seen (oh, too much rambling here)
Now, if all goes bad... is it possible to extract the Nexus One ROM and use it on the HTC? After all the Hardware is not too different and should work with a little bit of adjustment.
In general, I'm really amazed by what is going on here... but most ROMs seem to be a modification/theming orgy rather than a decent port of a decent, more advanced OS version. I don't mean to offend anyone. After all, these ROMs are great for people interested into all that modding and theming and all. But for me, it's important to have a nice looking and working OS, not so much community modifications.
well you can't argue about taste, so i'll leave that part out. my bets would go on something looking at least similar to the espresso leak.
there will be an update, that's for sure. it is only a matter of time, i hope not too much time...
about porting the nexus rom, i wouldn't hold my breath for it. the hardware might be not so different, but from how i see it the hero is a ***** when it comes to hardware. this is also the reason why there is only about a dozen roms at all, and the only one without compromises is mcr. look at the g1 section, they literally drown in roms.
and for starters, the nexus has the snapdragon cpu, which seems to be at least one generation further evolved when it comes to mobile computing power, i don't see it coming...
don´t worry .
i read a rumor in the morning that htc is going to release on february 15th
Yes, we will get Nexus version.
Simply put, Nexus is pretty much standard 2.1 Android.
so far, people like Lox have been working on getting version 2.0 & 2.01 running on the Hero, but now that 2.1 SDK has been released they will start working on that. But it will help when HTC release the source code for their own 2.1 version as that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
The only thing I can see causing problems are the live wallpapers, but I believe that people are getting these to run on the G1 so you never know what is possible.
I've been running 2.0.1 software with all the latest gallery,navigation etc apps for a while now so expect 2.1 versions soon.
PS I installed the Expresso version on my phone and uninstalled straight away. Reminds me way too much of HTC's Windows Mobile software !
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don´t worry .
i read a rumor in the morning that htc is going to release on february 15th
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people like Lox have been working on getting version 2.0 & 2.01 running on the Hero, but now that 2.1 SDK has been released they will start working on that. But it will help when HTC release the source code for their own 2.1 version as that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
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Two points!
1. The 2.1 SDK is *not* the source code for Android 2.1. The the tools and libraries required to build Android 2.1 applications, not the OS itself. As far as I'm aware, the 2.1 OS code has not been dropped into the AOSP (Android Open Source Project).
2. HTC are only required to release the source code to the kernel as this is licensed under the GPL, though this will contain the hardware drivers. HTC's version of 2.1 itself does not ever need to be released as the Android source code is licensed under the ASL which is not a copyleft license.
Regards,
Dave
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that will give them all the drivers etc they need.
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yeah, i wouldn't be so sure about that. the kernel sources for the g1 kernel .29 are out, doesn't help a tiny bit for the hero so far...
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well you can't argue about taste, so i'll leave that part out. my bets would go on something looking at least similar to the espresso leak.
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You are right of course... if they release an upgrade to 2.1 it's logical that they develop and use that for the Espresso. So I guess it will be the same as the Espresso ROM. I just hope that the Espresso ROM won't look like the leaks.
While you can't argue about taste... you have to admit, that the UI looks (stylewise) quite different to the original Sense UI. Usually I wouldn't mind change. Just take Apple's UI, or Google's UI on the web as well as in Android releases. They usually stay the same, sometimes adding more colors, using gradients, etc. and you still recognize the original style. It usually takes very long until a system has changed so much that you can't recognize it's origins. Take the difference between XP and Vista. Was quite huge. Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise).
Now, in the leaked Espresso rom I can't recognize the old SenseUI at all, except for the widgets, which can be removed / customized anyway and are not the main concern of HTC's developers right now.
Well, in case it looks to my disliking:
I know, that Sense UI as a whole is not just a plugin but the visually relevant parts (home screen, lock screen, mesages app, mail app, contacts app etc.) are mainly applications, right? (Well, the designs for menu lists, like in "settings" are not apps I guess, but they don't bother me as they look the same in the current UI version) How hard do you think would it be to extract the old apps and replace their counterparts in the new ROM?
This could maybe even be done without rooting, like it's possible for the lock screen and home screen. I dunno about replacing the Standard htc apps though.
felikz said:
and where did you read that?
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Look here - http://www.androidcentral.com/rumors-say-european-htc-hero-get-android-21-february
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Look here - ...
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Well the rumor that it's going to be released in February... come one... HTC said it will release in 1Q2010 which leaves January to March. February is right in the middle so they just say February.
That alone, ok, but what about the list of features. It seems to be put together from previous rumors and leaked ROMs noone even knows of whether they apply to the Hero update.
I'd take such a rumor, originally from some obscure Polish website (not to say anything against Poland, but it's a local website and the rumor hasn't surfaced from a more global site anywhere else), with a (huge) grain of salt.
I'm with Olafos here. I've now tried a 2.0 and 2.1 ROM, but come back to MCR3.1 within a few hours. It's not even all totally about visuals, as I think had been mentioned. The contacts widget, giving me my favourite contacts on my homescreen is used a lot by me. The group text is used quite a bit too.
The contacts, messages and other things just don't look very nice on standard 2.1. When the Bravo comes out (or before) with 2.1 have these cool Sense UI additions?
How much different will the Nexus One be to what 2.1 on my Hero looks like? Right now it's totally put me off upgrading. I really want a bigger screen and snapdragon CPU, but I would miss the amazing UI and funcitonality of my Hero on 1.5 with Sense UI :-/
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You are right of course... if they release an upgrade to 2.1 it's logical that they develop and use that for the Espresso. So I guess it will be the same as the Espresso ROM. I just hope that the Espresso ROM won't look like the leaks.
While you can't argue about taste... you have to admit, that the UI looks (stylewise) quite different to the original Sense UI. Usually I wouldn't mind change. Just take Apple's UI, or Google's UI on the web as well as in Android releases. They usually stay the same, sometimes adding more colors, using gradients, etc. and you still recognize the original style. It usually takes very long until a system has changed so much that you can't recognize it's origins. Take the difference between XP and Vista. Was quite huge. Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise).
Now, in the leaked Espresso rom I can't recognize the old SenseUI at all, except for the widgets, which can be removed / customized anyway and are not the main concern of HTC's developers right now.
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ok, point taken
olafos said:
Well, in case it looks to my disliking:
I know, that Sense UI as a whole is not just a plugin but the visually relevant parts (home screen, lock screen, mesages app, mail app, contacts app etc.) are mainly applications, right? (Well, the designs for menu lists, like in "settings" are not apps I guess, but they don't bother me as they look the same in the current UI version) How hard do you think would it be to extract the old apps and replace their counterparts in the new ROM?
This could maybe even be done without rooting, like it's possible for the lock screen and home screen. I dunno about replacing the Standard htc apps though.
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i have no idea about backward compatibility of the android system... just try it with one of the 2.0 roms? i'd bet on foobar if you mix 1.5 sense parts with 2.x, but don't let that stop you from romcooking
I just realized I said:
"Now the difference between XP and Win7 was minimal (stylewise). "
Of course I meant Vista and Win7
Ich will nicht wirklich eigene Roms machen...mir fehlt leider die Zeit. Hoechstes der Gefuehle waere evtl. zu rooten und zu schauen was läuft
I think Android apps are backwards compatible, not so sure about the HTC Sense UI integrated ones though.
I'm about to give up on this phone. It constantly lags/glitches/resets in messaging, has all kinds of issues with multitasking, and is extremely slow and unreliable.
ANYONE out there that has a fully functioning messaging/internet/calling machine out there - please post what you did from start to finish to create a great phone.
Thank you.
This is my last attempt - been terrible since "upgrading" from AT&T Tilt
I see from your sig that you're using a ROM with Sense 2.5 which may be the source of your problems.
If you want to read my story, keep going. Otherwise, my tip is to "downgrade" to official WinMo 6.1 ROM.
Here's my story:
When I bought the device, I was pleasantly happy with the stock ROM which has WinMo 6.1 and the version of TouchFlo3D that doesn't have the weather in the Home tab.
The 1st ROM I flashed was the official HTC released WinMo 6.5 ROM. Huge mistake. Everything worked but just seemed slower. I've since tried multiple cooked ROMs over the months. They were all faster than the official WinMo 6.5 ROM but there was always a glitch here and there. Often, it was minor enough to be suitable for daily use.
But then I decided recently to switch back to my stock WinMo 6.1 ROM just for the heck of it. It's so much faster and smoother. And everything just works.
Positives of the original WinMo 6.1 ROM over others:
1. Multitasking - Under normal usage, I've never had an application autokill because RAM was running out. This is the case even with Push-Internet enabled. With other ROMs, I can almost never run Opera, Streaming Media, and MSN Messenger at the same time. One of them will certainly autokill.
2. TouchFlo3D smoothness - There's no stuttering and drops in framerates when moving the slider. With other ROMs, (especially Sense2.5) it's never as smooth.
Drawbacks of the original WinMo6.1 ROM over others:
1. Lockscreen - The stock lockscreen of WinMo 6.5 is much more elegant and useful than that of WinMo 6.1
2. TouchFlo3D - It has since been replaced by newer versions with more functionality and eyecandy. But to be honest, the only thing I miss is the weather forecast on the Home tab.
3. Overall finger friendliness in the OS - Dropdown menus and checkboxes are all better in WinMo 6.5.
Its up to you if you want to move back to 6.1....but i hated 6.1... i had more problems with it
With windows 6.1... i had problems with my bluetooth... when i have the bluetooth on my ear for 10 minutes without a call... i lose connection,, i get "lost connection"
With windows 6.5.... the problem was solved... didnt have no bluetooth problems anymore
I want to love my TP2 but ever since I upgraded my OS to 6.5 and other cooked ROM's, I've had issues. WM 6.5 seems to cause my TP 2 either go into standby of death (cant come out of standby) or if and when it eventually decides to come out of it, the screen is frozen.
With cooked ROMS, I have to constantly flash different ROM's in hopes of finding one that is stable and runs smoothly. I have until the 5th of March to either get a replacement TP2 with 6.1 WM running on it or find a cooked ROM that features stability and smoothness.
I found the EnergyROM series to be quite stable and fast for me. Only drawback is you should get the Titanium version instead of the Sense/Manila version. Much much faster.
I have a Tilt2, and the stock 6.5 ROM was slower than molasses. Dunno if you can downgrade the Tilt2 to 6.1.
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
Slow down, notice the subtle nuances then decide
I went from my Wizard to first a Cliq then a Behold 2 before realizing that I am a WinMo girl and going with my first instinct and getting my TP2 (all within my buyers remorse time). I had a stock 6.1 and then "upgraded" to first a stock 6.5, then to cooked variations.
I went back to my stock 6.1
I removed most bloat, added a few updated programs, used Advanced Config to tweak things. My rom doesn't have the pretty Home page with the weather (which frankly is the ONLY thing I miss), but I can go roughly 36 hours with very heavy usage and up to almost 3 days with normal to light usage. It is stable and fast. I have no internet issues, no BT issues, no wifi issues. I do not use email on my phone so I don't know if there is any issue or not, but I do rely heavily on GPS and have had no problems.
I did add some cab files that made little tweaks, like the one that gives me a snooze option on my stock alarm. I did upgrade my Opera to 10 from the stock 9. I use TCPMP as my media player, and removed most of the tab options--keeping only Home, Calendar, Weather, Programs, Settings. I changed my splash screen to a custom one I made, and switched my wallpaper...but other than those minor things, it is a stock rom and I am happy with it.
There will always be a debate over 6.1 vs 6.5 versions...I prefer stability and speed to eye candy, so for me 6.1 wins. I felt 6.5 was like going to Vista. Sure it was prettier, but the "improvements" just didn't feel like an improvement to me.
The best thing to do while you are still in the buyers remorse period is to go stock, add some tweaks and feel it out. From that you can decide if you are a 6.1 person or a 6.5 person. You will also get a basic feel for the device and what it is capable of. Many cooked roms here are great, but as with anything cooked, it is a matter of taste. Perhaps you haven't found your right flavor yet. But if you keep blowing through roms, you aren't getting the full TP2 experience.
Here's an analogy--I was just in Vegas, but this was the first time I really SAW Vegas. There is an old Vegas (6.1 rom) and a new Vegas (6.5 variations). I enjoyed the buffets and shows at old Vegas, but loved the lights and sparkle of new Vegas. You won't know what works for you if you don't check it out individually and linger for a bit. Much like my stay in Vegas, if I blew through it (as you seem to be going through roms), all the subtle nuances would be missed.
THERE ARE WAYS TO TWEAK THE DEVICE. Maybe you just aren't feeling WinMo and need to move to a Droid...some people are like that (I'm not one of those people). As far as a WinMo device goes though, this one is rock solid.
akashastrega said it best
I agree with akashastrega above. Each user has his/her own needs.
I am a power business user of my phone. I use it all day every day for email, calendar, etc. I do not use it as a music player.
I am on Ark's 6.5 ROM (a couple builds ago). It is stable and I have it tweaked to my liking.
I would definitely suggest looking around at the ROMs to find one you like. Some are more sparkly than others and some are more stable than others. Once you find a ROM, decide what tweaks you want/need. And if you are having any issues, serach for solutions.
Just got my Tilt2 and so far have disabled TF3D and added some cabs. Seems to work great. Havent had problems with freezes or anything. Disabling TF3D really made a huge difference and I reallllly like this phone compared to the Fuze I used to have.
Disable TF3D.
Add PocketBreeze, PhoneAlarm and PocketWeather.
Happy camper.
Flash DeepShining Rom and enjoy. Fast, stable and AWESOME.
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
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After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
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cdguider managed to extract the stock 6.1 TMO US ROM, minus the radio anyway (which is still available separately), you can find it and the info in THIS thread
ChasDun said:
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
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In short, you must walk on egg shells or winmo will crash and burn. As far as "smoking" the motodroid, that statement i believe is exaggerated. Yes it may (even then it's a maybe) run a little faster but i wouldn't use the word "smokes". Even if it does run faster, i'm willing to bet your brother hasn't had to do anything anywhere close to what you stated in the book you just wrote about what you did to your phone to make it stable. I don't care what ROM or what apps you install on your winmo phone, the core code is still crap and completely unstable and slow. You can't fix that with a cooked ROM or a 3rd party app.
To answer the original question: My suggestion is to wait for the android port to be completed and install android on your tp2. I've owned several winmo phones dating back to winmo 5 and I am now on the tilt2 with winmo 6.5 and i gotta say 6.5 is the worst of them all. The sms freezing/lagging and the sluggishness will never go away. The current android build isn't fully functional yet but you can make and receive calls, text, and get data on it so I use it about 50% of the time on my tilt2. Blows winmo out of the water as far as stability goes and the port isn't even complete. Looks to me like that's what you're looking for, stability. The only reason I don't use it exclusively is because power management isn't working properly yet so it drains the battery pretty quickly. But progess is being made as we speak.
Good luck.
This device has no bugs at all.
Use stock rom, or NRG rom, with sense 2.1, and WM build 21XXX, and u will see.
Its by far the stablest and smoothest WM device i had, even with the 528 qualcomm proccessor.
The only annoying thing on this device, is the modified bluetooth stack that sometimes causes the device to freeze on activesync via bluetooth.
To add something to this thread.
For the fun of it i tested my Tp2.
Normaly i dont lets apps stay open.
But just to let you all know i openend up
9 applications i started with round 70% free memory.
With all apps open it whent down to 35 % free memory.
Now this is nice to know.......no freeze no glitch and my tf3d slider works perfect.
After closing the apps i have 69% free memory back.
I use this phone alot for the hardware keyboard.( i have Hd2 to)
And i run official rom 2.1 sense.
Hope it helps a litlle.
Greetz.
I have the tilt 2 & I'm running JoshKoss 1.8 sence2.5 full build. It's running fast & stable no freezes or resets. I primary use this phone for e-mails, internet, & phone calls. I'm not into watching movies or listening to music on it.
I play with alot of cooked ROMs and I never really had any problems. I would say that you have to know the device and what you want. Typically after flashing, I will go deep in and turn off whatever that I don't need. So gone with all the auto-updates, gsensor, push internets etc. I even use MemMaid and disable all the startup items, services and notifications that I do not need.
My device runs alot faster and stable as a result.
actually MIGHTY ROM seems to be the bet rom around.. its stable and FAST!!
I'm using my TP2 with the Stock 6.5 & have never faced any problems whatsoever