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I've heard the rumors... T-Mo's customer service is legendary. They're the best in the game. Everyone says so!!
Rewind: October 2007. I was a Sprint customer. After 3 years of hell with Nextel, no service in Rhode Island, replacement phones, billing errors, and long wait times, I became an ex-Spring customer when I threatened to leave Sprint for T-mobile, and the customer service SUPERVISOR said to me "You do what you have to do..." *click* and hung up on me. So I did just that... I walked into a t-mobile store and bought a wing.
Fast-forward: Today. It's now 6 months later. I've had 3 warranty replacements on the Wing, then (because I was fed up with the wing) I asked for an alternate model. They told me the only other "multiple exchange" model was the Dash. So they sent me a dash (which I can't figure out because it's cheaper). That was 3 weeks ago. Today, I noticed a bunch of white lines on my screen (see my other post for a screen shot).
I just got off the phone with T-mobile. They confirmed that this is a problem with the Dash, and the brackets holding the screen apparently break for no reason at all, causing this problem. It can happen for any or no reason at all. Well, the wing might be slow and lock up and reboot itself when it wants (though I fault t-mobile's ****ty software for that) but at least it kept it's screen in tact.
So I told them I wanted a wing back. They refused, because I did not qualify for the multiple exchange, since it was only my first dash. I told them I needed a phone that DIDN'T lose it's screen at random, so I wanted the Wing back (which is what I originally paid $300 for) and they said no, because that only applies if I had 2 or more defective dash's. What the hell is wrong with this company!?!? They can't send me a Blackberry Curve (even though it's the EXACT same price as the Wing), they can't send me ANYTHING, not even a basic phone. They said if I wanted the wing now, it would cost me $400!!!
Now, looking back at Sprint, with their new CEO (who has vowed to clean up customer service) and their newest plan (simply everything), and the coolest phone I've ever seen (the Sprint "Touch") I think I'm going to pay the early termination $200 fee and switch back to sprint when I get my $600.00 economic stimulus check from the government in May, and I told the t-mobile guy that too. He said "Well, sorry to hear that, but there's nothing we can do for you..." <-- What the hell is that??? What happened to customer service? I left Sprint because they sucked, and now they're getting better and T-Mobile sucks.
Looks like I picked a bad time to leave Sprint and an even worse time to join T-Mobile.
WARNING TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT SWITCHING TO T-MOBILE OR BUYING A PDA FROM T-MOBILE: DON'T do it!!! If it's a bad model, you'll be stuck with it!!
I am SICK of getting new phones every month in the mail. It takes me about 6 hours to get my phone looking & acting the way it should. I have to flash the ROM, copy pim.vol, change the theme, remove the stupid "callstart.wav" file, hack the **** out of the registry, and set up email, internet connections, and everything else. I've wasted countless days of my life doing this.
I've reached the end of my tether. I hope a perspective T-mobile customer reads this and it helps them decide to NOT go to T-mobile. Likewise, I hope a higher-up at T-mobile reads this and gets the message.
LMFAO Dude grow up.
SpringfieldXD45C said:
I've heard the rumors... T-Mo's customer service is legendary. They're the best in the game. Everyone says so!!
Rewind: October 2007. I was a Sprint customer. After 3 years of hell with Nextel, no service in Rhode Island, replacement phones, billing errors, and long wait times, I became an ex-Spring customer when I threatened to leave Sprint for T-mobile, and the customer service SUPERVISOR said to me "You do what you have to do..." *click* and hung up on me. So I did just that... I walked into a t-mobile store and bought a wing.
Fast-forward: Today. It's now 6 months later. I've had 3 warranty replacements on the Wing, then (because I was fed up with the wing) I asked for an alternate model. They told me the only other "multiple exchange" model was the Dash. So they sent me a dash (which I can't figure out because it's cheaper). That was 3 weeks ago. Today, I noticed a bunch of white lines on my screen (see my other post for a screen shot).
I just got off the phone with T-mobile. They confirmed that this is a problem with the Dash, and the brackets holding the screen apparently break for no reason at all, causing this problem. It can happen for any or no reason at all. Well, the wing might be slow and lock up and reboot itself when it wants (though I fault t-mobile's ****ty software for that) but at least it kept it's screen in tact.
So I told them I wanted a wing back. They refused, because I did not qualify for the multiple exchange, since it was only my first dash. I told them I needed a phone that DIDN'T lose it's screen at random, so I wanted the Wing back (which is what I originally paid $300 for) and they said no, because that only applies if I had 2 or more defective dash's. What the hell is wrong with this company!?!? They can't send me a Blackberry Curve (even though it's the EXACT same price as the Wing), they can't send me ANYTHING, not even a basic phone. They said if I wanted the wing now, it would cost me $400!!!
Now, looking back at Sprint, with their new CEO (who has vowed to clean up customer service) and their newest plan (simply everything), and the coolest phone I've ever seen (the Sprint "Touch") I think I'm going to pay the early termination $200 fee and switch back to sprint when I get my $600.00 economic stimulus check from the government in May, and I told the t-mobile guy that too. He said "Well, sorry to hear that, but there's nothing we can do for you..." <-- What the hell is that??? What happened to customer service? I left Sprint because they sucked, and now they're getting better and T-Mobile sucks.
Looks like I picked a bad time to leave Sprint and an even worse time to join T-Mobile.
WARNING TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT SWITCHING TO T-MOBILE OR BUYING A PDA FROM T-MOBILE: DON'T do it!!! If it's a bad model, you'll be stuck with it!!
I am SICK of getting new phones every month in the mail. It takes me about 6 hours to get my phone looking & acting the way it should. I have to flash the ROM, copy pim.vol, change the theme, remove the stupid "callstart.wav" file, hack the **** out of the registry, and set up email, internet connections, and everything else. I've wasted countless days of my life doing this.
I've reached the end of my tether. I hope a perspective T-mobile customer reads this and it helps them decide to NOT go to T-mobile. Likewise, I hope a higher-up at T-mobile reads this and gets the message.
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Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today! I for one would never EVER go to sprint. I don't care how much 3g or EV-DO they have...I used to be work for sprints technical support desk and i absolutely hated it! all they cared was for you to get off the phone as quickly as you could try to sell some add-on crap that you didnt need... retrigger the IOTA (internet over the air refresh) and get off the phone ASAP! and the reson why the tech do this is they dont get a bonus if they dont have an average call time under 7 minutes! i went to work for them thinking it was a technical job and all it was , was a front for over the phone sales! i was only there for 8 months and i hit the door as soon as the opportunity arose.
Maybe its you, not the phones. Ever think about that.
T-Mobile is not here to exchange any phone "YOU" decide to mod, drop, throw, dunk,etc.
They have a limit on how many, per customer, can get an exchange.
There is a thing called insurance you can buy from them, for this specific reason.
Pay up to keep getting a new phone every 4-6 months.
And see, I am the exact opposite of what the first poster said, I am a current SunCom Wireless customer, who was just bought out by T-Mobile, and I have had nothing but good things from TM's customer service. I called them about getting a Wing, and if they would provide me with a TM SIM card that would work with my SunCom plan....which wont work of course, so instead they say-"Hold on one moment and let me look at your account...(so I give em my account number, a SUNCOM account number mind you)and the dude comes back and says, well with your anytime rewards(basically 5USD off of a new phone that yoy get for every month you stay with SunCom), you can get a Wing for 249.99, and we will go ahead and SIM unlock it for you before we ship it, so that you can use it with SunCom. Then when SunCom and TM become one company, we will send you a TM SIM card(because thats what they are doing with everybody) and you will still be able to use your SunCom services and current billing prices." So of course I say hell yeah, and give the guy my debit card number, and he comes back and says, "Oh, and you also qualify for free next day air!" so hell yeah, I do LOVE TMs customer service already, and im not even one of their customers yet! BTW, teh Wing=AWESOME!
I sort of had a similar experience.
I had a Shadow, and did not like it, I really wanted the Dash to begin with..
I called and asked to send the Shadow back, and that was fine, but they wanted me to pay $200 upfront.
After thinking about it, I said no.
Called back asked for a supervisor, who immediately called the proper department, got my phone sent out FREE, gave me the rebate instantly, and also sent me a free bluetooth headset.
I have no problem with T-mobile, but if you do, call back and ask for a supervisor.
I LUV me dash and I think that Tmobile is probably the best mobile phone company. Hell they didn't ever try to sell up, but they did help me downgrade my plan with courtesy and respect and no additional months on my contract.
As to your problems with the Dash, I am sorry I would still get another. Even great products have some problems with them. I have had my Dash for over a year and couldn't possibly be more pleased. I keep it in a case and it is in pristine condition. My contract is over and I really would like a 3g device but there isn't anything I would like more than the dash out there. Especially with google's web page compression and the opera mini.
I work at IT at a hospital and most...no every smartphone has KNOWN problems with them. Please don't ask about getting a TREO..... You won't see known issues broadcast anywhere unless you are an major enterprise client. Cellular companies don't usually ever mention problems to nickel and dime clients.
My sister has major problems keeping a working cellphone for more than 4 months since they stopped making them large plasic bricks in the 90's. She has had her Dash for over a year as well. It has a large crack in the screen (no actual harm just a large crack). Various large gashes and the power button has to be pushed extra hard but it's still workin! So if you ask me it is a brick.
Tmobile is different. They only have edge no 3g at all that is a dealbreaker with enterprise clients. They only have nickel and dime clients. I think in general Tmobile have to be nice to their personal clients and they are. Just don't put a pink logo on your website!
Allright... for those of you telling me to "Grow up" and "Maybe it's not T-mobile, it's you" First of all, I'd like to remind you that I'm at least being polite to you. See, I reply to topics to give USEFUL information, not scathing remarks. That makes for somethign we like to call "a pleasant atmosphere". Perhaps you've never heard of that before. So how about YOU grow up? Thanks
I'd also like to point out that "I" am hardly the reason for the following WING issues:
Phone #1: Random reboots, battery lasted for 2 hours max, touch screen would stop working, and only come back after a reboot.
Phone #2: Extremely slow (timed: 34 seconds for the start menu to appear after pushing the start button.. OUT OF THE BOX), random reboots.
Phone #3: Internet would not work at all. On the phone with PDA Tech support who walked me through everything he wanted me to do, then finally HE suggested replacing the phone.
Phone #4: Would not power on at all.
Phone #5: The dash: Everything is working fine. Today, while sitting on my desk (e.g. not being dropped, submersed, etc.) a bunch of white lines appear on my screen. A member of this board said he had the same problem, and even T-Mobile said it was a known issue...
I'm sorry, but please explain to me HOW that is "me" and not t-mobile!??! You've obviously proven to me what great intelligence you have by demonstrating your innate, Jedi-like ability to sit at a keyboard and say "Dude, grow up" and "Maybe it's you not t-mobile" So please explain, Captain SDA... I eagerly await your solution to "my" problems with these "perfect" phones.
My mom once told me "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". Clearly your moms never told you that, Perhaps you should ask YOUR mom for that same advice. Judging by your superior online personalities, that shouldn't be too hard: Just leave your basement and walk upstairs. I'm sorry you don't understand the value of a dollar, and the fact that I have now spent $300 on a phone that doesn't work, and I religiously pay my bill for a service I can barely use. I'm sorry that upsets me. You're right, I shouldn't complain about that.
*** sigh ***
For the rest of you: Thanks for the advice about going back to sprint. The only reason I'm even thinking about it right now is because of all the good things I heard about the new CEO and the changes he's making, and I'm excited about the Samsung Instinct as well as the Sprint HTC Touch, which I personally got to use and it was lightning fast!!
My point was that T-Mobiles history with you as their customer.
When i read the story, i thought, this guy has no luck with phones. Do you honestly think T-Mobile will start giving away replacements to a person that has a history of mishaps? Look at it from their point of view also.
The thing is these days, people think everything is about themselves.
Sorry if you hate my replies. I tell things the way I see them. I don't sugar coat anything.
If you had said THAT instead of "Dude grow up" at first, it would've been a little nicer, don't you think?? Do you think I don't have enough on my plate already, after bleeding out all kinds of money for a damn phone & service that I can't even use, without having to put up with wisecrack remarks??
Yes, I DO expect T-Mobile to stand behind their products.
I respect the hell out of calling shots as you see them, but I question HOW they're seen. Throw me a bone, will you??
SpringfieldXD45C said:
If you had said THAT instead of "Dude grow up" at first, it would've been a little nicer, don't you think?? Do you think I don't have enough on my plate already, after bleeding out all kinds of money for a damn phone & service that I can't even use, without having to put up with wisecrack remarks??
Yes, I DO expect T-Mobile to stand behind their products.
I respect the hell out of calling shots as you see them, but I question HOW they're seen. Throw me a bone, will you??
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*tosses a bone in the air *
Kidding
SPRINT!!!
you know even if i had 10 phones break on me, through running normal software or even modified i would like the company to replace, even if it was my fault... thats what u pay insurance for and thats what makes great customer service. Think about it... how many people know more about the phones then someone that modifies them? not your average user, i referred about 15 people just because sprint is so good with me breaking my phone anyway i did( twice but w/e), not just a new phone but every little thing(a new box, battery, phone, 2x stylus, etc...). no need to grow up its a normal thing to worm someone about a HORRIBLE service provider, i've had sprint for a couple months no complaints, well maybe my bill once but i just shot them an email about my bill being $300, next day they gave me an extra $500. if u switch to sprint get the sero account and you may want to do it fast because no one knows how much longer that type of plan is going to be available....
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you know even if i had 10 phones break on me, through running normal software or even modified i would like the company to replace, even if it was my fault... thats what u pay insurance for and thats what makes great customer service. Think about it... how many people know more about the phones then someone that modifies them? not your average user, i referred about 15 people just because sprint is so good with me breaking my phone anyway i did( twice but w/e), not just a new phone but every little thing(a new box, battery, phone, 2x stylus, etc...). no need to grow up its a normal thing to worm someone about a HORRIBLE service provider, i've had sprint for a couple months no complaints, well maybe my bill once but i just shot them an email about my bill being $300, next day they gave me an extra $500. if u switch to sprint get the sero account and you may want to do it fast because no one knows how much longer that type of plan is going to be available....
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Yea but the key element of your situation that makes it different from the person that made this thread is that you have INSURANCE! things are a whole heckofalot different when you have insurance. When you don't, you stand a chance at ending up like this poor guy! The only thing about insurance i absolutely despise is you always get a reburb.
I have to disagree...If i had a company and sold you a phone. If you modify the rom in any way, warranty is void.
I think even with insurance it gets voided. (I may be wrong)
Mikey1022 said:
I have to disagree...If i had a company and sold you a phone. If you modify the rom in any way, warranty is void.
I think even with insurance it gets voided. (I may be wrong)
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No because most insurance plans cover damage ... which cover both physical and software.firmware damage.....
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No because most insurance plans cover damage ... which cover both physical and software.firmware damage.....
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original and modified firmware?
Mikey1022 said:
original and modified firmware?
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Yes! Heck even if it didnt and the insurance covered only physical damage. I'd beat the heck out of the phone so it wouldnt turn on to find out which firmware or ROM was installed. I mean if you think about it , the phone companies make a buttload of money gettin $5 ( or more) a month for monthly insurance charges,,,, then the customer still has to fork out a deductible when they use the insurance. So trust me, I'd love to offer insurance. Lastly most insurance policies limit the nunber of exchanges to 2 or 3 per year. so it would insure that they couldn't abuse the insurance plan
it sucks about the issues you are experiencing, but do you think this is the right forum (no pun intended) for this issue? in my opinion, you will have better luck discussing this issue with mid - senior level management at T-Mobile USA; not with a bunch of people looking to modify their mobile devices.
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it sucks about the issues you are experiencing, but do you think this is the right forum (no pun intended) for this issue? in my opinion, you will have better luck discussing this issue with mid - senior level management at T-Mobile USA; not with a bunch of people looking to modify their mobile devices.
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I agree. The mods should close this thread
I have no other place to vent, and to be honest, I was hoping to get a former T-mobile employee (or someone) who would send me a PM or leave a post with a bit of a tip in it.
If nothing else, I'm outraged and I need to vent (something wrong with that??) It's only natural.
By the way, this has nothing to do with insurance... this is still warranty!! And how do you figure flashing the ROM voids the warranty?? It changes no physical part of the phone... and as long as you can flash the factory ROM back onto it, (thus making the phone still useable) what harm was done?
I see nothing in the warranty about flashing the ROM as being grounds for voiding.
Hi Folks,
With ever more capable mobiles coming out at an ever increasing rate it seems highly relevant not to be locked into an old phone for a long time. With the TP2 the contract times seem to be between 18 and 24 months. However in your experience how quickly can one upgrade to a newer phone?
I would also welcome views on different network flexibility to this. I am UK based.
Thanks,
Sam
I've just left T-Mobile, had a business contract with them with 6 phones.
They were great to start with but have got progressively worse.
Here are a few of the issues I've had with them:
1. I changed my company bank account, had the direct debit transferred. T-Mobile got the change of details instruction and processed it as a cancellation instruction, cut us off, no notification after just a couple of weeks of non-payment which shouldn't have happened if they had got it right in the first place.
2. One handset broke, was covered by warranty, T-Mobile had no stock and refused to provide any replacement device.
3. I added a couple of the phones a little later on, sales didn't tell me a full 24 month term would apply to the new handsets, until I tried to cancel them, which was nice of them.
4. Business customer service now takes forever to answer your call, regularly on hold for 15+ minutes, compared with < 1 minute a year ago.
I seriously doubt you will have any chance of an early upgrade with T-Mobile, they are worse than useless. I can only imagine how bad it is for personal contract customers with the support being in India!
I believe Orange offer an early upgrade option, however no recent experience with them as I've had issues with them in the past.
I think O2 possibly do as well, friend of mine said they were upgrading his iPhone to the 3GS within the contract, but he has to pay for it (not sure how much though).
Vodafone, no idea what they offer, only been with them a week.
Any other network, I think it's safe to say leave well alone!
Philio, Thanks...
So basically it comes down to the "Upgrade Policy". I am with Orange and will either stay with them or go to VF, although I am very tempted to go to VF due to their good current package on the TP2.
Interesting to hear about TM.
Sam
Personally I think TM coverage is worse than it used to be as well.
I used to be able to get the train into London (from Kent) and sit online the entire way on my laptop, last time I did it, I was cut off repeatedly!
Saw your post on the VF forum too btw, I'll be keeping an eye on that, also curious as to their upgrade policy!
Had an interesting call with T-Mobile today, spoke to them again about trying to get the broken N95 handset replaced.
Now they are telling me it's discontinued (I had asked them if this was the case in previous conversations considering it's been superseded by the N96 and now the N97).
Long story short... No replacement can be offered as discontinued, they do not offer like for like replacement (e.g. N96) whatsoever, their useless insurance company will not replace without sending the phone off to be tested repair attempted. They are happy to provide a new handset on a new 24 month contract though!
Useless company, stay away.
SamJolly said:
Hi Folks,
With ever more capable mobiles coming out at an ever increasing rate it seems highly relevant not to be locked into an old phone for a long time. With the TP2 the contract times seem to be between 18 and 24 months. However in your experience how quickly can one upgrade to a newer phone?
I would also welcome views on different network flexibility to this. I am UK based.
Thanks,
Sam
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currently the only way to upgrade within contract is via phones4u. they will buy out the remainder of your contract depending how many months is left and provide you with a new line and new phone. i have know them to buy out contracts with 9 months left! not bad at all. there are rules in place where you can downgrade your tariff after so many months. i think its 9 months on a 12 month contarct, 11 months on a 18 month contract and 16 months on a 24 month contarct. this is service provider dependant as i am sure tmobile allows you to downgrade after 11 months.
Interesting about phone4u
So far I have found Orange and VF allow an upgrade after 21 months in 24 month contract.
Sam
If you've got a silver dash (not sure about black) that is still under warranty and have been putting off an exchange for any issues it has had - now is the time to call. Some customers may be able to get an alternate exchange for the dash 3g at no cost or contract, plain and simple exchange due to the low supply of refurb dashes. An alternate exchange is a new phone not refurb as well so this is awesome if you still have a warranteed dash. A little birdie told me this. No word on if this is a permanent or temporary alternate.
Actually it is for a $50 minimum rebate on a new HTC device. And it ends at close of business TODAY! I just got off the phone with T-Mobile and they said as long as your old HTC device is not broken, damaged, the screen works, not leaking, no water damage, no corrosion and the hinge still works you can trade it in for money towards a new device. But it ends TODAY, 8-25-09. So that kinda bites the big one. This is according to someone I spoke to at T-Mobile about 5 minutes ago. If it were true I was gonna go trade mine in asap. But like Grandpop always said, "If it's too good to be true........." Hate to be the one to burst anyones bubble. I just burst my own.
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Actually it is for a $50 minimum rebate on a new HTC device. And it ends at close of business TODAY! I just got off the phone with T-Mobile and they said as long as your old HTC device is not broken, damaged, the screen works, not leaking, no water damage, no corrosion and the hinge still works you can trade it in for money towards a new device. But it ends TODAY, 8-25-09. So that kinda bites the big one. This is according to someone I spoke to at T-Mobile about 5 minutes ago. If it were true I was gonna go trade mine in asap. But like Grandpop always said, "If it's too good to be true........." Hate to be the one to burst anyones bubble. I just burst my own.
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Different deal. Basically I'm talking about warranty exchange - you're talking about a trade-in program. Basically older devices at end of life, can often get alternate exchanges for a newer device. But you do not call up for the alternate exchange - you only get it if you've got a technical problem that requires an exchange, when they pull up the exchange form it will show "alternate exchange" in some cases. If you called up T-Mobile and asked them straight up to send you the dash 3g, of course they'd send you the upgrade path
So basically you have to have a Dash that is still under some kind of warranty and has an 'issue'. Then since there aren't anymore of these to offer they have no choice but to offer you a new Dash 3G. Is this the basic idea here? Well mine is a little over 2 years old so I would not qualify anyway. I do carry insurance but yeah no more warranty from the manufacturer I am sure. Too bad.
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If you've got a silver dash (not sure about black) that is still under warranty and have been putting off an exchange for any issues it has had - now is the time to call. Some customers may be able to get an alternate exchange for the dash 3g at no cost or contract, plain and simple exchange due to the low supply of refurb dashes. An alternate exchange is a new phone not refurb as well so this is awesome if you still have a warranteed dash. A little birdie told me this. No word on if this is a permanent or temporary alternate.
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Nice! Then you can go run my new ROM in the Maple Forums.
This does work!! I recently received my second Dash (silver) as a warranty replacement. The new one had a separate issue. While on the phone with handset warranty replacement, I asked about the G3. I was told no, but when she entered it into the computer as an option, it was accepted. Just received the Dash G3 yesterday and am loving it. Only issue I'm having is that the old dash screen is blank and I have no way of getting my contacts off of it, so far. Mobile Device Manager won't work, as I don't have Outlook. Still looking for options to retrieve contacts off of old dash.
I have warrenty replacement of a dash 1 on the way because some of the keys stopped working. They didnt offer the D3g but said I could get a new g1 through my insurance if I wanted to. So do I have to ask? What do I say because they told me the warrenty only covers the same phone?
This is exactly how I got my first Dash. I had the SDA, and it had a reception issue around where I lived. They sent a replacement - same issue. Then I asked about an alternate exchange for the Dash instead, and they said they could do it.
Hmmm, I will have to check that out! I have the black Dash though so not totally sure if it will work the same way. Many thanks for the helpful info!
I got the alternate exchange but they only one they offered was the 09 shadow brand new in the box. Its for my daughter anyway. I think shell like it better, it seems more girly than a dash.
Just called them.
Just called them up for my boss whos dash got dog chewed and they said they would send a regular old dash .
oh well.
Same here.
Have had a problem with the phone randomly turning off. Called for a replacement and they offered the same DASH or a Shadow. Stuck with the DASH. Should have it in a few days...maybe in a few months I can get the 3g when it's time for an upgrade.
These offers change all the time.... glad to see it has worked for some.
I had a dream last night I got the 3g in the mail. I was so happy.
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I was 2nd at the Shack in the Boca Raton, FL Town Center Mall. To make it the upgrade work I had to upgrade another phone on my plan with the Evo, but I am hoping that once I have the hardware, I should be easily able to switch it to my phone with Sprint Customer Care.
I've been a Sprint customer for 12 years or so, and never had an issue with that before. The guys at Shack said they'd do the upgrade on the phone that's available, but don't count on the switch since the phone is still new. Is this a possible problem??
I already did the order, so the phone is mine....but it would suck to have to use another number, or wait to move my Evo to my phone number at a later date.
Can you ask them to not activate it? I'm in the same boat, but I ordered at Best Buy.
That's something that would be asked on Launch Day, but I'm kinda looking for some Sprint CSRs who troll these forums who may have some information. I think the guys at Shack were just being douches (you don't know douchebags like South Florida douchebags), but I could be screwed over somehow.
I asked the sprint customer support this and best buy. Sprint said no problem I can do it online with the ESN swap tool. Best buy just said bring all the phones and they will do it for me without charging the activation charges. I would ask at your best buy, if they wont you CAN do it online with the esn swap. You just have to make sure you move the other account off the evo onto a third phone before you try to swap to it.
Gracias sir. Explain the whole swap thing for me? I can't visualize what you are explaining.
I did the same thing the day the Moment came out. I bought the Moment at Best Buy. They activated it on a line I don't use (with the valid upgrade). I took it home and switched it (via Sprint's online tool) onto the line that I wanted to use it on. Then I put the old phone back on the upgraded line. No problem doing this at all.
Thanks, I figured they were just trying to **** with me to make sure I didn't give them **** somehow. I will be doing this on the 4th!
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Can you ask them to not activate it? I'm in the same boat, but I ordered at Best Buy.
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They will have to activate it at the shack for you to get your discount. And they weren't being douches, it is possible to get sprint to switch the devices for you once they are activated, but they don't have to do it if the phone hasn't been on the line for 30 days. So they gave the official CYA answer.
pwabbit hit it almost spot on. You will require 3 phones to do this. You will need to take the old phone, well call it flip (the line you are upgrading in to the store) they will upgrade it to the evo, you then go home and log in to sprint.com. Once logged in as the primary user, go to my account. Scroll down and you will see devices at the bottom (a list of them all). Next to the evo you just activated hover over i want to... and you will see activate a new phone. This will take you to the ESN swap screen, here you will transfer the line from the evo back to the flip. By doing this no line will be active on the evo. Then you will go back to the my accounts screen and next to your current phone (inmy case the hero) you will select i want to... and choose activate a phone. Here you can ESN swap to the evo. This makes the hero have no line activated on it. Finally you can go back to the my accounts screen and next to flip phonje select I want to... and activate a device, you can now ESN swap it to the hero. Now everyone has an adroid phone...enjoy.
Cliff Notes:
Login to sprint.com
under my accounts look for the deives list, in the i want to menu next to the phone (not the sidebar) there is an activate phone option. Use this to move the line on the evo to an extra phone, then move your line to the evo. This will require a minimum of two esn swaps.
any questions ? there will be a test on this
Ok sweet. It looks like I'll only need 2 phones though. My mom is planning on keeping her BlackBerry, and my Hero will be sent to a fellow XDA member who was interested in it. Very excited.
I have done this probobly 6 times already
As long as one line on your account that is eligable for an upgrade, they will take care of it.
Just tell them what number you would like to use, and they will update it, but you have to physically have the phone that has the number that is eligable for an upgrade with you.
So make sure if you are using a family members phone for an upgrade, you bring the phone with you.
As advanced as our technology is, they still have to program the number and then switch it to the your phone. If you are on a family plan you should not need to do this.
Here's my situation:
I have two lines on my account: one is my Hero which is not eligible for an upgrade until October. However, my other line is an Airave (courtesy of Sprint) that is eligible as of May first of this year.
Do you think I can use the Airave line's upgrade credit to get the EVO? Biggest thing I'm worried about is losing the free airave service ($5/month) and equipment I'm currently getting courtesy of Sprint.
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Here's my situation:
I have two lines on my account: one is my Hero which is not eligible for an upgrade until October. However, my other line is an Airave (courtesy of Sprint) that is eligible as of May first of this year.
Do you think I can use the Airave line's upgrade credit to get the EVO? Biggest thing I'm worried about is losing the free airave service ($5/month) and equipment I'm currently getting courtesy of Sprint.
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I would recommend contacting them to ask. Worst they can say is no. Which in my opinion is probablly how it will go. I too have an airrave but I have not tried to upgrade it, so really im not 100% sure.
Best of luck to you, I prefer online chat so you can have a transcript of the conversation.
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I would recommend contacting them to ask. Worst they can say is no. Which in my opinion is probablly how it will go. I too have an airrave but I have not tried to upgrade it, so really im not 100% sure.
Best of luck to you, I prefer online chat so you can have a transcript of the conversation.
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I may drop by my local Best Buy tomorrow. I already talked to Sprint and they said they could do the upgrade but the mail-in-rebate would fail if the new phone was swapped to another line. since Best Buy doens't do mail in rebates and I've heard tey've been able to finanngle this hey its worth the shot.
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I may drop by my local Best Buy tomorrow. I already talked to Sprint and they said they could do the upgrade but the mail-in-rebate would fail if the new phone was swapped to another line. since Best Buy doens't do mail in rebates and I've heard tey've been able to finanngle this hey its worth the shot.
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I completely agree, if you don't try we wont know for future reference. Let us know how it goes.
The story behind it: The Shack will activate it for you, BUT the reason they won't switch the line is that it messes up the automated system that passes on the carrier kick-back to the shack, therefore if you switch the line, the shack does NOT get paid for the $700 phone you just bought. Under the hood, the shack pays right near 'no contract' value for the phone, relying on the carrier kick-back which comes about 90 days after activation to compensate them for the inital sale at a loss. That's why they can do no mail-in rebates, they just absorb the cost initially.
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The story behind it: The Shack will activate it for you, BUT the reason they won't switch the line is that it messes up the automated system that passes on the carrier kick-back to the shack, therefore if you switch the line, the shack does NOT get paid for the $700 phone you just bought. Under the hood, the shack pays right near 'no contract' value for the phone, relying on the carrier kick-back which comes about 90 days after activation to compensate them for the inital sale at a loss. That's why they can do no mail-in rebates, they just absorb the cost initially.
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That makes sense. Does that mean if you take it home and do the ESN swap they don't get a kick back ? That would make me feel bad....I would still do it ....any ideas on that ?
I'm not certain on that one, but I think that it might.. I suspect they just look up the ESN numbers from (90 days ago) each business day and match them with tickets sold. no match, no $$.
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That makes sense. Does that mean if you take it home and do the ESN swap they don't get a kick back ? That would make me feel bad....I would still do it ....any ideas on that ?
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Yes it does. While it's convenient for you, it takes money out of our pockets
I went to the local shack today being in the same situation. My Pre is still under contract but my wifes diamond is not. The sales person said no problem, they would put my wifes phone on the new contract and activate the evo to my number. He didn't mention bringing my wifes phone, but after reading these post, I will take it just incase.
I have 2 HTC Evo's and 2 Samsung Moments.
I want out of Sprint. They tried increasing my bill just 3 months into a 2 year contract. I was a victim of bait and switch.
Sprint says I am good to port out and cancel without ETF.
Please please please help me get my phones working on another provider!
I really don't even care if the internet works as I almost always have access to wireless internet via my phones. However; fully functioning phones would be great too?? I guess it depends on what is "do-able"
I am pretty sure the 4G wont work..... but it doesn't work in my area anyway.
I have been reading for the better part of 2 days....
Some say it can be done, some say you need to pay someone to do it...there is so much conflicting information out there....then I found this place.
Sorry but I just got laid off and paying for help is out of the question. I will however; send MANY positive vibes your way.
You guys seem to really know your stuff.
Thanks in advance for your time.
Sorry for the bother.
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Not gunna happen dude sorry.... not unless you have another cdma cell compqny like cricket or metropcs. There are roms in the dev section to do that.
They will not work on verizon that i am aware of or ever heard off and att us cellular and most others are gsm.... evo isnt a dual band phone.
Just go sell them and buy new phones.
And explain what "they increased my bill"is.
I am kind of in the same boat i think.
I signed up for 129 + 10 per evo (wife and i have 1 each)
And every single month my bill just gets higher and higher by a few bucks each month.
I was also told i get a 10% discount because of my employer and i have not seen a dime taken off.
Not only that but i dont even get 3g technically until late at night. After 8am until 8-10pm i only get 50-150kbps.
And frankly i am sick of it. I was lied to about the coverage and the network speeds by the retarded sprint store employees and i cant take it anymore.
The only time i cant really use the data on my phone is on wifi. Otherwise its jearly useless.
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Not gunna happen dude sorry.... not unless you have another cdma cell compqny like cricket or metropcs. There are roms in the dev section to do that.
They will not work on verizon that i am aware of or ever heard off and att us cellular and most others are gsm.... evo isnt a dual band phone.
Just go sell them and buy new phones.
And explain what "they increased my bill"is.
I am kind of in the same boat i think.
I signed up for 129 + 10 per evo (wife and i have 1 each)
And every single month my bill just gets higher and higher by a few bucks each month.
I was also told i get a 10% discount because of my employer and i have not seen a dime taken off.
Not only that but i dont even get 3g technically until late at night. After 8am until 8-10pm i only get 50-150kbps.
And frankly i am sick of it. I was lied to about the coverage and the network speeds by the retarded sprint store employees and i cant take it anymore.
The only time i cant really use the data on my phone is on wifi. Otherwise its jearly useless.
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Thanks for your response. Really appreciate it.
The thing that REALLY gets me is they were arrogant about it. I spoke with 3 different people from Sprint, with one being corporate, and they all didn't seem to care in the least bit about losing me and my 5-6K over the next couple years??? Bad bad business...Something I will never forget.
It looks like I can have both Metro-Pcs and also Cricket in my area if I want them??
I was reading that in order to get the Sprint phones on Metro, you need to first get a phone(Their Brand) with them, and then add the other phones electronically via their web site??
Didn't read much on Cricket yet.
Also.....I have never flashed a phone before but I can follow directions pretty well...(I'm married)
Which service it better Cricket or Metro? I read that Metro's internet is junk but again that doesn't bother me b/c wireless is pretty readily available.
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Sorry...here is the low down on them increasing my bill:
I posted this at Hofo too:
I am so disappointed in Sprint. I am cancelling and will never return and also vow to tell everyone that will listen just how underhanded Sprint is.
I was mislead by sales both in store and on the phone with C/S.
In researching phones and service, we kept getting the sales pitch from Store employees and customer service people that "Sprint discounts the ENTIRE bill...not just the first one or two lines." That was a MAJOR selling point in almost every rep we spoke with. Honestly, this is what lead me to pay ETF'S from VZW to come aboard. It also led me to cancel my home phone service, give away my GPS, purchase chargers/skins etc...
I am into Sprint for at least 1K....
Considering we (mostly all) purchased the EVO'S and Samsung 4G's on release dates, we are now 3-4 months into a 2 year contract and Sprint decides to "remind" us that the discounts are no longer valid on lines 3-4.
You can't remind someone about something that was never told to them to begin with. I believe that would be more "informing" than "reminding"??
I have documented this in my series of bills....I was never told....only reminded.
Funny thing is Sprint knew before releasing these 2 phones that they were going to tuck it to their customers.
There is no way that a company of Sprints size could conceive of and implement a policy such as this in a couple months. It had to first be conceived of, second go to legal, third be approved by corporate, employees educated and trained how to handle IRATE customers etc... (Possibly not in this order?). Point being...SPRINT KNEW ABOUT THIS ALL ALONG.
It is not a matter of the 10 or 15 bucks extra a month. I don't want to do business with a company that aggressively sells you on a pricing point, and 3 months into a 2 year contract tries to fleece you for EVEN MORE money. As if the $10.00 premium wasn't enough??
KNOWING full well that people are into them for a lot of money, also knowing it is pretty damned difficult to activate these phones with other providers, and also knowing most people do not look at tiny boxes on page 2 of a bill....They are scum in my book. This was all calculated and down right deceptive....
What good is a contract if one party can make adjustments whenever that want? That is not a contract IMHO...It is a one sided license to steal and SHOULD be illegal. Can I send a letter to my car loan provider and "remind" them that as of next month, I will be paying 10% less? I think not!
Now, I must spend the time researching phones/providers AGAIN....The time and money WASTED on this is absurd....Every time I see a Sprint commercial I cringe...I WAS A BELIEVER...Now I will gop out of my way to stop everyone I know from doing business with these guys.
Let me add that I have no problem with modifying Terms but it needs to be done AFTER the contract is up, not 3 months into a 2 year.
Disgusted....If anyone can tell me how to get 2 EVO's and 2 Samsung Moments going on another provider, I would be forever grateful.
Also...to all of you that say, "Ahhhh it's only 10-15 bucks", You wont be saying that when Sprint implements the pay for data usage plan they are probably working on as I write this.
What they have done would be illegal for 99.9% of the population....Who regulates these guys? Seems like a free for all to me??? They do what they want, make CRAZY money, and pay 5-10% out in legal fees as a result....BAD BAD BAD business.
I'm done...thanks for reading.
you have to talk to Sprint's customer retention department, theyre the ones whose job it is to get stuff done for you. Some people have said they went straight up the chain to the executive in charge of that department and it worked out well for them, just search for his name and number