Develop Bugs

Note to NOOBS. You're really annoying. READ!

Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
WM6 is new. SO NEW that Third-Party app developers haven't gotten all their fixes in. Our ROM chefs aren't responsible for those errors. Research and develop a fix, wait until someone develops a fix, or wait for the app developer...But before installing a rom you need to weigh whether or not it is worth it to loose some of your favorite apps. If you must have SPB plus and you read that people are having issues with it don't install the rom UNLESS you want to help find the fix. IF NOT...WAIT until the app developer upgrades their app. Don't install it and then post complaints and threads.
The chefs of these roms aren't here to help you setup your device and to solve all of your issues. If you have issues read, search and fix them. The research is part of the fun...finding fixes is part of the fun. Finding new ways to configure your device and setups is FUN. By asking first you're not participating in the best part of the forum.
As for fixing the "noob" issue...I think there is one pretty good solution.
I think the only way to fix such an issue is to either restrict new users from posting in the the WM6 forums for a period of time after joining. Hopefully you'll use that period of time to read. Because if you choose to install a rom and you know you can't ask a question you'll probably be more apt to read.
I'm not anti-noob. I was a noob once and I am still a noob in many ways. I also know that there are some good noobs in the forum. But I'm tired of taking the time to read the threads for critical information and coming across posts for how to install a new theme or where did the backlight on my keyboard go. That's where your user manual or the HTC website comes in. For Cingular people you have a great resource over @ the Cingular forums.
This is a community of like minded technical individuals. This is not HTC tech support or your carriers support. No one here owes you ANYTHING. You install a rom it's on you. If you can't take the responsibility then don't install the rom. It's pretty simple really.
I just had to get that off my chest. I'm sick and cranky but that only played a small role.
Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)

Helping is useless you just get bashed for it. Instead of putting useless programs that the "chef" uses they could spend that time using the carrier files located in the rom kitchen to help out users which takes all of what 3 minutes if that to recompile for a carrier. This would be much more productive then *****ing when someone tries to help by doing that. It's a joke suggesting someone help when they get nothing but grief and sarcasm when they do.

the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
Also note, that recompiling a compressed ROM will cause issues to the people that have installed it. you must decompile the original OS.nb that hasnt been compressed.

jasjamming said:
the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
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Yes, you have proved you dont give a **** seeing you post the files that dont work

tell WPbear that and the hundreds of people that got cingular working with that.
And just to remind you its not my job to ensure u set up your carrier. You found a fix, damn mate, post it in the thread.
Although this is an open source community in a way, it is still harmful to the developrs if their work is ripped off without courtesy. ASk first then post later, not post first and hope its ok!

this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.

jasjamming said:
this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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xultar said:
Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
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Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)
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I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.

AdamZhang said:
I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
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no its not a must to donate... but its nice to be appreciated especially when the 'CHEF' has spend hours upon hours of his time and experience to benefit the community... honestly where would we be without these guys??? we would have locked handsets and be stuck with crappy carrier ROM's...

Hmmm
The noobs who post the ridiculous questions that have been answered many times before are (by their very nature) highly unlikely to read or care about this thread.....
Whilst I agree with some of the underlying points (read the wiki and the threads, use the search function etc) surely the more people who get interested in these devices, the wider they will be available and the better support etc from the carriers and htc will be available, meaning people here can spend more time developing rather than fixing bugs? The initial post just reads as if basically if you are not an experienced developer then you can just **** off. Not sure if (a) that is how it was meant or (b) that is the majority view.

Me thinks that xultar and custel need to grow up! Although you both evidently came into this as experts(sic), some others did not have your apparent vast wealth of experience to fall back on. To insult senior members, mods, and our chefs is unacceptable behavior! I, and I am sure others, are hoping to see you go!
The search functions can be a bit of a challenge....LOL, but insults and criticism are not needed.....Do us all a favor and just leave!
Okay.....there's my 4 cents worth..........
Later

NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)

cruiserman said:
NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,

ElGato65 said:
Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
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... or boobs with noobs

ROFLMAO!!!

Same song, different forums. Yes, the noobs need to read the wiki and learn more, but we've all been there and need to remember what it was like getting yelled at in the forums. Yes, some of the "experts" think they're on a pedestal and can be huge jerks, but they've seen the same 10 questions about 1000 times and they help create noob resources like the wiki and the cool roms. Most of us are sitting in the middle just watching both sides screaming and thinking, "it's just a forum, wtf?"
I realize that the real issue began because of all the noobs bricking their phones trying to do things they don't fully understand and the animosity that comes from the ROM archive being removed as an indirect result. In case no one has noticed, this is not exactly an underground site and has become pretty popular with the increasing popularity of HTC products and the fine work that many of the contributors here have done. (Not to mention all the ppc sites that have linked to this one.)
The original post had some good points and I think was well-intended, however, Custel and Jasjamming decided to bring their personal beef with each other into it. If you two would like to argue with each other, feel free to use the private message function. Neither of you are helping this topic and only furthering the idea that a low post count means you're flame bait and a high post count means that you're allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post openly in the threads despite not being a mod. The moral here? We're all part of the same community here, so stop pissing on the neighbor's flowers and just tell him calmly that you're allergic while keeping in mind the other neighbors might like them.
As for the noobs destroying their phones with software they didn't understand and asking really simple over-asked questions, maybe we should make a quiz of basic information that pertains to each model and the information needed to do basic mods to them that all members have to answer with a certain percentage of success before allowing posts or access to download links (exluding a few basic forums). Each group that's active enough could make up their own pop quiz (Hermes, Trinity, etc...). All questions sourced from the wiki of course. Just a thought, since the only other suggestion seems to be to scream at the new guys and tell them to read (and search, which btw, really sucks on most forums since you have to know exactly what you're searching for to find anything useful in many cases).

having successfully upgraded several different models of HTC device to WinMo6 I know that there's very little risk from the process and a hell of a lot to gain.
Nobody here with a new-ish handset that's considering the upgrade is destitute and penniless, considering what the devices cost I'm beginning to wonder why donations to either the chefs or XDA devs isn't the norm...
Seriously, there are a lot of tight bastards around here, more than there are 'new' users who can't be arsed to use the search before opening the 30th thread asking for help on the exact same issue.

Post from a NOOB
Guys,
Let me give you a viewpoint from a NOOB. I would not call myself technically challenged nor lazy, but definitely new to this wonderful forum where some people who are way more cooler than me have found ways to help me make better use of my handheld than what I had stock.
Yes, I read the Hermes wiki checked through all (or the threads I thought were relevant) to make sure that this was something I wanted to (and could) do without bricking my expensive device. Even though I thought I read quite a lot, and did everything the wiki said, after I did something I could not verify whether what I did worked or not (like the time I SuperCID-ed my phone and did not know what the steps where to confirm it happened). So I ask. Some times people answer my questions, sometime they dont.
Yes, noobs need to know not to quote large message chunks, they need to read before they ask. I agree to all that. But some people say things like if you are not technical dont even bother to be here, that's insulting.
Though I read and re-read Xultar's initial post and I did not see anything there that really insulted me. I think he had a valid point that if you think you are faint of heart, please stick to your carrier's forum. These forums and this great site is for those adventurers (it just gives me an ego boost to think that way ;-)) who like to go where no man has gone before.
I have been here probably 2 weeks, and I feel like I found a place where I can belong. I just wish I were cool enough to really cook some ROMS. But I think I can get started in small ways.
Jasjamming, I understand your frustration when people take what you have taken great pains in doing and then repackage it, especially without your permission. No excuses for that. But it does not behoove for someone of your stature in this community to bad mouth people. I (and am sure more noobs like me) look up to people like you, kyphur and LVSW who can do things that most of us can just dream about. Just let go or I am sure that the moderators of this forum can remove those posts without much problem.
Sorry for the long rant, but I like this place. And felt I had to weigh in on this conversation.

CUSTEL said:
You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.

shogunmark said:
its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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Please delete this thread. I'll send a PM to a Mod as well.
Thanks.

Interested in Obtaining base WM6 Rom!

If anyone can help me obtain a newer (or release!) WM6 rom, I'd be ever so grateful. I'd like to do some cooking on it, and release it on here.
I can help you get it off your phone if that's they only way you have it! Or, of course, an .nb is good too
PM me if you can help.

I'm sure LVSW can help you with that
The only problem - it may cost you $2.5/MB

moisha said:
I'm sure LVSW can help you with that
The only problem - it may cost you $2.5/MB
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Hee Hee Hee, that has tickled me!

LegolasTheElf said:
If anyone can help me obtain a newer (or release!) WM6 rom, I'd be ever so grateful. I'd like to do some cooking on it, and release it on here.
I can help you get it off your phone if that's they only way you have it! Or, of course, an .nb is good too
PM me if you can help.
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You are a genius...cooking a rom with some heavy bugs and WHAT A COINCIDENCE, you are the only man who can fix it...only by skype

a true entrepreneur!

An Opinion -
This is a developers site where people help each other and learn for free.
That's why this site is so amazing and successfull.
Asking for donations or money to help others for a fee should be stopped immediately. If anyone wants a donation or money for services (sick) then create your own private site and do it from there!
The argument that thier time is money and cannot help noobs, then they have no place on this site.
Also, ALL DONATION requests on this site should be for XDA-Developers and XDA-Developers Wiki sites ONLY.
This is a call to the administrators of XDA Developers: Please keep this site to the standards that it always is and has been.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Could not possibly agree more with this.
Its disgusting and unethical.
Each to their own, but do it in your forum/web/blog not here.
I am all for donations, and praising/rewarding/bribing the creators of these excellent tools/roms etc.
Its a crying shame when that gets turned into a profit making, scamming situation and preying on noobs and constantly asking to be PAID (not donated to) to hep using free information just because they can't be bothered showing the way and would rather charge to do it themselves.

donations are DONATIONS!
(not talking about legolas)
If I want to reward a developer It`s my choice! to do that, I need a link for donations.
and guys, I dont know why your bugging LegolasTheElf,
here he gives he`s support with no demand, out on skype where he give`s more attention he want`s a payback - it`s he`s choice.
I and a big portion of all of us want to reward the developers!
donations is the only way and I hope you`ll see whats so important in donations.
Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.

pello said:
You are a genius...
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i think lego has been called this enough today.. its going to his head

elivne said:
(not talking about legolas)
If I want to reward a developer It`s my choice! to do that, I need a link for donations.
and guys, I dont know why your bugging LegolasTheElf,
here he gives he`s support with no demand, out on skype where he give`s more attention he want`s a payback - it`s he`s choice.
I and a big portion of all of us want to reward the developers!
donations is the only way and I hope you`ll see whats so important in donations.
Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.
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I agree - BUT donations should not be solicited from this site.
Its getting ugly!!
Developers can link to their own sites and ask for donations from there.
Not from here. This can be controlled by the administrators.

elivne said:
Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.
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Dont think anybody actually suggested that

ok guys... enough with all of that... Its fine to have links to accept donations... we always ask that the person donates to the board, but in some instances people would like to donate to the person that helped them.. we dont make posts asking for donations, we arent begging.. its there for an option to person, not mandatory.. we are here whether we get donations or not... end of discussion.. im locking this thread, its gone way off topic. sorry lego, gotta lock it..

!!!!!!! Extra Extra Super Ultra New Wm6.1 Version !!!!!!!!!!!!

@Admins, Banish me if you will for this post, but i think it has to be said...
All rom cookers do a great job (i my self use a rom made from them for my Hermes).
But i wonder if it would be better to create much less frequent but also much more stable and bug-less roms.
I can not stop feeling i enter a super market when ever i visit this forum, where you have a multitude of the same products only with a different label, and company's try to sell them as innovative new ones.
Just an opinion.....

Obnoxious Comment
If you do no tlike it or if you are, somehow, displeased you have three options:
1. Simply don't use them
2. Look the other way
3. Leave the Forum
Greetings,

or just cook your own Ideal Rom

Kevlar-Source said:
If you do no tlike it or if you are, somehow, displeased you have three options:
1. Simply don't use them
2. Look the other way
3. Leave the Forum
Greetings,
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Agreed 101%

the whole reason they are frequent is to keep them bug free
or more stable cores etc.
at the end of the day if you dont like it as Kevlar source said - dont come to the forum..
and my 2cents - use an official rom and quit complaining!

Tech world changes every darn minute, no wonder why this forum changes every minute too! Just take what you want and leave the rest alone!! Makes everyone happy!!!!

Junk Thread!!
kingsizeriz said:
the whole reason they are frequent is to keep them bug free
or more stable cores etc.
at the end of the day if you dont like it as Kevlar source said - dont come to the forum..
and my 2cents - use an official rom and quit complaining!
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Totally Agree!

ai6908 said:
Tech world changes every darn minute, no wonder why this forum changes every minute too! Just take what you want and leave the rest alone!! Makes everyone happy!!!!
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+1
amen

... where is JR from Ewing Oil?

There's LEARNING and EXPERIENCES when you have some problem. And here WE are to solve THAT problem together. If you can't make any CONTRIBUTION for this Forum, then STOP complaining and START to be a "USER" and help the author (and other member) to make a better result for all of us.
The point is USE WHAT YOU LIKE but NEVER JUDGE what you don't like .
rgds,
Ermen

Please now that you see you made a or half point please change your title (advanced edit) . It's pity for all the real cookers. Thanks

i like the roms... and the most are stable enough.
i know this isn't the right section, but it had to be said:
i don't like the way the roms are presented in this forum.
for example the title of the topics. it's so chaotic. on every title is "update" but in real they are so old.
another example: there are topics sticky which are one year old. and nobody needs them.
correct me if i'm wrong that nobody needs them. for example again: the rom kitchen of bepe. the images are also down of that topic.
but i like the roms and i am happy that this great forum exists XD but this forum could be better, if the topics were more coherent.
*sry for bad english*

I happen to like seeing all of the new rom postings. It's a great way to see what new software is out there, along with I cannot cook a rom if my life depened on it. The heck with this guy..
Great job to all rom chefs! Thanks for all the hard work!

Yes, some of these old stickys have out lived their usefullness and just take up space. They need to be reviewed & removed periodically by someone!

Asxetos said:
... you have a multitude of the same products only with a different label, and company's try to sell them as innovative new ones.
Just an opinion.....
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the biggest problem with your statement is that you're expecting something with no cost (read: free) as if you do with commercial products.
it's like expecting linux community (or open source community for that matter) that they can come up with an absolute software suite like Microsoft's, sure you get 1 option to choose from and you can expect quality and such, the thing is that Gates makes billions off of it while the chefs here don't.

I gotta ask, do you expect someone to make this "PERFECT" rom, or just pull it out of their bum? Thats why this site exists, to try to refine and make the perfect rom. Impossible mission if you ask me as MY perfect rom WON'T be YOURS...
All feed back given goes into making a stable and fast rom BUT that takes time. By the time someone has cooked the "perfect" rom, another core has come along that makes the rom just cooked look bad. Why do you think the chefs keep cooking???
Thank you to all the rom chefs out there.... Love your work.

I'll probably catch H-e-double hockey-stick for saying this, but I half way agree with the post... I definitely appreciate the hard work the chef's put in, and realize that the majority of them never see a dime for their efforts. But it does seem, at times, that some of them are just putting out ROMs as fast as they can with little or no attempt to thoroughly test the stability of what they're about to imply is ok to put on our (expensive) phones. Again - I understand this is time consuming and they cannot possibly test all the combinations of hardware and software configurations, but some ROMs have seemed so instable as to imply they weren't tested *at all*. I think a certain few chefs (eg VP3g) go the extra mile to make sure what they put on here is worthy of this forum.
Having said that, the chefs definitely do us all a great service and I thank them all. I'm a proud holder of an 8525 with a DVH ROM and, as a software developer for the government I'm sure I could cook a ROM... but the point is - I don't have the time or desire... These chefs sacrifice their time so that people like us can (better) enjoy our phones...
That's just my 2c worth.

lol nobody can make a bugless rom.. if you dont like cooked roms use an official one and see how you like that, half the speed, zero features, resets every day, doesnt even work really.

I can't see how topics like this keep getting everyone's attention. I mean the topic's title is one thing and the content is another. People who do nothing and expect/demand everything should not get this kind of attention at all. This topic should be locked asap.
"In Japan, you'd be dead" -- Jet Li (Lethal Weapon 4)

Asxetos said:
@Admins, Banish me if you will for this post, but i think it has to be said...
All rom cookers do a great job (i my self use a rom made from them for my Hermes).
But i wonder if it would be better to create much less frequent but also much more stable and bug-less roms.
I can not stop feeling i enter a super market when ever i visit this forum, where you have a multitude of the same products only with a different label, and company's try to sell them as innovative new ones.
Just an opinion.....
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I really don't understand this attitude. What is the name of this forum? XDA-DEVELOPERS. What does that mean? That means this is a developers forum. And that implies that everything in this forum is in development. All the roms you find here are created by developers for developers. We are the parasites. We are leeching on whatever we find. Most of the time, we don't know what we are leeching on. That is because we are not DEVELOPERS. But that doesn't mean we can teach the DEVELOPERS how to behave. Don't you think that it would be very very cruel to come here, leech on their products and then teach them how to work?

Ervius Were Are You?

ervius were are you we need you..... trinity rom 19213 build from you?

I'm ever here, but maybe no more roms by me to post here.....
many times to spend to make new roms & apps, few donations....
maybe is better if I do something else.....

ok man you right!
i'll never forget you and your beatifull rom tank's ervius

ervius said:
I'm ever here, but maybe no more roms by me to post here.....
many times to spend to make new roms & apps, few donations....
maybe is better if I do something else.....
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We understand what you say. You're great.
Get Luck !
NiAx Team.

I am a user of cooked ROMs and I am very very thankful to all the ROM cookers but I can only understand that cookers do this for fun and because they like to be recognized for their job. I cannot understand someone that asks for money for something that he does not take the responsibility for.
Off course that I think some of the cookers deserve the donations but asking for donations and complain because users don’t pay is beyond limits!
Do cookers donate to all the developers of all the applications that cookers include in their ROMs?!

xxpto said:
I am a user of cooked ROMs and I am very very thankful to all the ROM cookers but I can only understand that cookers do this for fun and because they like to be recognized for their job. I cannot understand someone that asks for money for something that he does not take the responsibility for.
Off course that I think some of the cookers deserve the donations but asking for donations and complain because users don’t pay is beyond limits!
Do cookers donate to all the developers of all the applications that cookers include in their ROMs?!
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While it is true the ROM Cookers do this for fun (and to some extent for their own use) plus the challenge, they have all these people asking them for this modification and that modification. It all takes time and it is only fair and reasonable that they should ask for Donations and be rewarded for their work.
At the end of the day all they are asking for is a Donation. Remember, Time is Money......so if you like and use a particular ROM...donate if the Cooker has that option.

xxpto said:
I am a user of cooked ROMs and I am very very thankful to all the ROM cookers but I can only understand that cookers do this for fun and because they like to be recognized for their job. I cannot understand someone that asks for money for something that he does not take the responsibility for.
Off course that I think some of the cookers deserve the donations but asking for donations and complain because users don’t pay is beyond limits!
Do cookers donate to all the developers of all the applications that cookers include in their ROMs?!
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Maybe you should try cooking a good ROM, to understand how much work and most important the spare time spent to achive it!!
This being said, not to mention, that ervius, not only is a awesome cooker, as he is also a developer of some excelent apps that he always share so we can our cooking experience more satisfying. So don't talk about something you know nothing about!!
I'm also a cooker, and never asked for donations; as a matter of fact, I don't even have a donation link, but sometimes these kind of comments make me wonder if I shouldn't have one, bc I'm wearing down my phone, flashing all the time so I can test my ROMs before releasing.
And sometimes I have to put up with some nagging from some users that are never satisfied and want more of this or less of that, with some disregard for my time and effort. What keeps me going is that there are still many users that are pleased by my work and encourage me, by some compliment or even by some help(sometimes precious help) in solving some issues that I wasn't able to test before...
So, maybe you should think and do some of the dirty work before talking nonsense...

I agree with you 100%!! I can only imagine the effort and time spent on releasing those application. It's surely very difficult to make such perfect ROMS as yours and satisfy all users' needs.
So I take the opportunity to thank all ROM cookers and especially ervius for bringing some crucial tools for the development of applications for our trinities.
Keep up the good work guys!!

I absolutely agree with finixover.
I would like to thank ervius for his help and for everything he does for us cookers.
Again thank you

Hi
+1 For finixnover
ERVIUS the king cookers . APPS or tools is the best ...
VERY THANK's FOR MR ERVIUS ...

FInixNOver said:
Maybe you should try cooking a good ROM, to understand how much work and most important the spare time spent to achive it!!
This being said, not to mention, that ervius, not only is a awesome cooker, as he is also a developer of some excelent apps that he always share so we can our cooking experience more satisfying. So don't talk about something you know nothing about!!
I'm also a cooker, and never asked for donations; as a matter of fact, I don't even have a donation link, but sometimes these kind of comments make me wonder if I shouldn't have one, bc I'm wearing down my phone, flashing all the time so I can test my ROMs before releasing.
And sometimes I have to put up with some nagging from some users that are never satisfied and want more of this or less of that, with some disregard for my time and effort. What keeps me going is that there are still many users that are pleased by my work and encourage me, by some compliment or even by some help(sometimes precious help) in solving some issues that I wasn't able to test before...
So, maybe you should think and do some of the dirty work before talking nonsense...
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For me asking for money takes away de xda-developers spirit. Can you imagine if developers of open distros of Linux start asking for money?
Anyway I am in favor of putting a donation link, I would donate to you, FInixNOver, if you have a donation link, I am using your ROM and I am very happy with it. What made me write was the fact he was saying almost something like "I’ll do it if you pay".
I can imagine the time you all spend on this, and again I am really thankful.

xxpto said:
For me asking for money takes away de xda-developers spirit. Can you imagine if developers of open distros of Linux start asking for money?
Anyway I am in favor of putting a donation link, I would donate to you, FInixNOver, if you have a donation link, I am using your ROM and I am very happy with it. What made me write was the fact he was saying almost something like "I’ll do it if you pay".
I can imagine the time you all spend on this, and again I am really thankful.
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guys, I never said that want donations, only that that is too time to spend makeing new roms, new apps, new tricks, and sometimes, someone, take that and delete my sign, (but this is other thing!!!), only this..... maybe I'm tired.....

ervius said:
guys, I never said that want donations, only that that is too time to spend makeing new roms, new apps, new tricks, and sometimes, someone, take that and delete my sign, (but this is other thing!!!), only this..... maybe I'm tired.....
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Just to finish this...
Ervius, you've done a very good job, I am even thinking to flash your latest ROM over FInixNOver’s ROM and If I start using yours I will donate!

cooking a good rom is a bit like porting macOs on a PSP... but without credit from apple.
so may i say "big up to all romcooker around the world"? yes i think so

ervius said:
guys, I never said that want donations, only that that is too time to spend makeing new roms, new apps, new tricks, and sometimes, someone, take that and delete my sign, (but this is other thing!!!), only this..... maybe I'm tired.....
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I understand you.
It takes a lot of evenings to create a ROM.
Thanks for all your hard work!
Social life is more important then creating ROMs

I want to help/contibute. But how?

Hey everyone.
I've been coming here for a while now. And all I seem to do is congratulate developers on their work and leech ROMs/freeware.
I DONT WANT TO DO THIS!
I want to help/contribute to the site. But don't know how. I know I can donate, but when you don't have a job and need every penny that comes your way, what can you do?
I've thought of cooking ROMs, but don't know where to start.
The only other thing I can think of is offering my services beta testing.
Any idea on what I can do to help all you AMAZING developers become even more amazing?
Add me on MSN.
Lets get something going!

Fin9ers said:
Hey everyone.
I've been coming here for a while now. And all I seem to do is congratulate developers on their work and leech ROMs/freeware.
I want to help/contribute to the site. But don't know how. I know I can donate, but when you don't have a job and need every penny that comes your way, what can you do?
Any idea on what I can do to help all you AMAZING developers become even more amazing?
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One worthwhile way to help/contribute is by helping newbies -- at least pointing them towards the answer...and that means doing more than just saying "SEARCH!"
Think you're just a newbie yourself? There's always somebody who knows less than you. (See what the Administrator says in the Announcements in Rule #10 )

I know what you mean. There's always articles or guides that could be updated or created on the XDA wiki. Otherwise like MCbrian said just answering questions so the pros can stay on task is always good.