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There is money to be made ...

is this ok??????
i was looking on ebay, and someone is selling somefirmware which is cooked up on here by the look of the pics ....the link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/T-Mobile-Dash...hash=item280245658129&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177). i know these guys work hard making these for nothing but someone is selling them.

joamy said:
i was looking on ebay, and someone is selling somefirmware which is cooked up on here by the look of the pics ....the link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/T-Mobile-Dash...hash=item280245658129&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177). i know these guys work hard making these for nothing but someone is selling them.
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hahahah. yea that looks like rickwyatts.....guess its ok if rickwyatt and kavana are cool with it...even if they arent, i dont think they have any sort of recourse beings that this isnt an official release and what not. but that is shady

joamy said:
i was looking on ebay, and someone is selling somefirmware which is cooked up on here by the look of the pics ....the link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/T-Mobile-Dash...hash=item280245658129&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177). i know these guys work hard making these for nothing but someone is selling them.
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He is hawking Kavana ROM as his own, he even uses kavana's pictures with his email address/profile.
[edit] look at the people bidding on it though... even the buyers are shady. http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=280245658129

joamy said:
i was looking on ebay, and someone is selling somefirmware which is cooked up on here by the look of the pics ....the link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/T-Mobile-Dash...hash=item280245658129&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177). i know these guys work hard making these for nothing but someone is selling them.
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God that is shady but where anyone can make a couple of squid they will and as gixxum quoted it's not an official release and i'm damn sure that Kavana has not got copyright of the rom in question, lets just hope that the seller has a freak accident of nature?

Meh someone trying to make money off of someone elses hard work. Happens all the time.

Aww i see, thanks for replys

IS this one of you guys?
http://cgi.ebay.com/T-Mobile-Dash-H...oryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

thats the rom i made but im not the one selling it

Dude, BOOK THAT GUY !!!
I wish I had the time, unfortunately I don't but someone needs to take action. Damn, he's done a full professional job with the ad too, what a scammer !!!
I can't believe he's making money out of what's offered for free here and not to forget - that's not even his !
lastly, it's sad that people have actually bought the rom...pathetic!

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It's a disgrace that someone can make money for something that is readily available "Free" and not credit & royalty Kavana.

Wow, I can't believe people are doing this. But there is nothing we can do about it I figured because the Rom is not copyrighted material; therefore, anyone can sell it unless Kavana copy rights, which I believe can not be done since its a "cooked" rom rather then an official rom.

Somebody Has to Destroy This Guy
I swear to God, if something isn't done about this, and pronto, I am going to completely go postal on this guy.
So, for the feds out there reading this, if something happens to that guy, I probably did it. He deserves it, and good luck catching me. HAHAHA!

Haha he does deserve it, especially for doing something like this

you can report him through the ebay pages, but don't forget to use the "ask seller a question" button. I have sent a few to let him know we're not happy about it. He gets enough and maybe he'll take it down. Also, I told him I was going to contact every bidder to let them know where to get it for free.
USE THAT BUTTON!

McHale said:
you can report him through the ebay pages, but don't forget to use the "ask seller a question" button. I have sent a few to let him know we're not happy about it. He gets enough and maybe he'll take it down. Also, I told him I was going to contact every bidder to let them know where to get it for free.
USE THAT BUTTON!
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Oh sounds good, I will do the same thing as well... I am going to let everyone know that they could download it from our website... It seems as if people are getting ripped off by buying a free program... Kavana and Ricky put together this for us for free therefore it should be this way... No one should try to sell it... If anyone has the right to sell the program it would be Ricky and Kavana.

jdoggraz said:
Oh sounds good, I will do the same thing as well... I am going to let everyone know that they could download it from our website... It seems as if people are getting ripped off by buying a free program... Kavana and Ricky put together this for us for free therefore it should be this way... No one should try to sell it... If anyone has the right to sell the program it would be Ricky and Kavana.
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yeah, I did the same and reported him too.
By the way, anyone want to buy a custom rom? I got one for sell.

I've just had a word.
Nice and p'lite like, honest guv'nor.
I notice it is a 'Private Listing', we cant now see who buys off him.
So, having trawled through the options available for report to eBay, which one are we going to use?
Ooh I love a good vendetta ...

rickwyatt said:
thats the rom i made but im not the one selling it
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Rick
I suggest in your future ROM put comments in the home.xml files' header.
It's a DISGRACE for people to make money out of somebody else's sweat. I know how difficult and time consuming it is to make ROMs.

selling someone elses work is just wrong...
i agree with everything everyone else has said already
and reading all the previous posts makes me also think
that in buying any rom off ebay, you dont have the full
tech support like youve got oh here...
i wish i knew where people like this lived

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Why doesn`t anyone do something?they all want donation!!!..

Hello!I`m a memmber of this forum for some time and now for about 2 weeks i changed my device and go to other part of this forum but i noticed that almost all power users from here are waiting for donations to make something once all of this wasn`t like this what happend with that days?

I'm not power user or cooker but a donation isn't a must: you can do or not do it.
They spend a lot of time to do their works and if I want to donate some € for a good work I do it else I can use the SW without problem and w/o donation.
D'rath

If people are not releasing something because they will only do so if they get donations they are violating Forum Rule 8. Feel free to report them.
See rules here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=256
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8. Donations.
We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
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D'rath said:
I'm not power user or cooker but a donation isn't a must: you can do or not do it.
They spend a lot of time to do their works and if I want to donate some € for a good work I do it else I can use the SW without problem and w/o donation.
D'rath
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Most of them make roms because they like to do it and they want to, that's it!
It's wrong to put in BIG words in the signature and everywhere else, as if the roms that they do, are really, really, really hard work.
What hard work? lol! Nobody force them to make roms...

rogeriopcf said:
Most of them make roms because they like to do it and they want to, that's it!
It's wrong to put in BIG words in the signature and everywhere else, as if the roms that they do, are really, really, really hard work.
What hard work? lol! Nobody force them to make roms...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=539407

As a modder I put in lots of time into my work. I release about 4-8 ROM variations a week. I also release some other minor stuff, packages for chefs and a few other things. There are plenty of sleepless nights for me. A little something in return is always nice.
Here is a little story and how end users can be greedy too.
A couple of weeks ago I had to sell my device for finacial reasons. I posted in my ROM thread that I will not be releasing a new ROM because I had to sell my phone. I came back online around 3 hours later to find about 140 private messages in my inbox. All but 3 asked for my ROM without a thanks and/or sorry to hear about your current situation. That got me very mad. So I changed how my ROMs were distributed.
All of my Lite and Super Lite ROMs, ROMs with no TF3D 2.1 or 2.5 or for Public use. All my TF3D2.X are for private users. To be a private user you have to be an active member of the community who comes in here and tries to help others. You are not a user who just downloads stuff, does not say thanks and then always complains about a few bugs. Or if you prefer you can make a donation. Lets say you would rather not bother helping others, don't have the time too or just want to say thanks to the modder with a little donation.
For myself I do not use TF3D and I take the time out to make something I do not use for myself for the end user so what is wrong with getting a little something in return for my time?
Every other thing I do on XDA is up for grabs for everyone...

rogeriopcf said:
Most of them make roms because they like to do it and they want to, that's it!
It's wrong to put in BIG words in the signature and everywhere else, as if the roms that they do, are really, really, really hard work.
What hard work? lol! Nobody force them to make roms...
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Have you ever tried to make a ROM? To say it is not hard work is just plain stupid.
I do agree with you with the big buttons and what not...
You should be thankful that people on here like make ROMs. Have any idea what it would cost you to walk into a phone store and have something like this done, that's if even they know how too?
If it is not hard work then give it a shot and see how easy it is.
Some people are just so ungrateful...
I am glad that you don't have a Rhodium...

Since I shared a bad story here is a...
very amazing story!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4545746&postcount=771

Shocked. But if it's a donation...
I'm a chef, but I don't ask for any donation for releasing my ROMs.
I develop my ROMs for the people who wants it, and I'm happy to help you all to have a good OS and functional PDA.
However, my "Donation" link is always in my signature because if someone would like to help my hard work with his donation I'll be happy to accept it... but I'll continue to release my ROMs even if noone donates.
As for now, noone donated.. and I released a lot of versions of my ROMs, and I don't ask for any obligatory donation ^^
Chefs here doesn't ask for anything... donation is only for "giving" a simple "Thank You!" for the hard work we are doing!
Sincerely,
kholk.

At0mAng said:
very amazing story!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4545746&postcount=771
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That is very generous of the user. Even if he does not follow through with the device, that must be a great compliment to receive.

Possible solution
I don't know how xda feels about this but could they place something akin to google adwords into the topic so that the user who made the topic could get a piece of the pie. Of course xda would get a cut too. =p

I want to help/contibute. But how?

Hey everyone.
I've been coming here for a while now. And all I seem to do is congratulate developers on their work and leech ROMs/freeware.
I DONT WANT TO DO THIS!
I want to help/contribute to the site. But don't know how. I know I can donate, but when you don't have a job and need every penny that comes your way, what can you do?
I've thought of cooking ROMs, but don't know where to start.
The only other thing I can think of is offering my services beta testing.
Any idea on what I can do to help all you AMAZING developers become even more amazing?
Add me on MSN.
Lets get something going!

Fin9ers said:
Hey everyone.
I've been coming here for a while now. And all I seem to do is congratulate developers on their work and leech ROMs/freeware.
I want to help/contribute to the site. But don't know how. I know I can donate, but when you don't have a job and need every penny that comes your way, what can you do?
Any idea on what I can do to help all you AMAZING developers become even more amazing?
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One worthwhile way to help/contribute is by helping newbies -- at least pointing them towards the answer...and that means doing more than just saying "SEARCH!"
Think you're just a newbie yourself? There's always somebody who knows less than you. (See what the Administrator says in the Announcements in Rule #10 )

I know what you mean. There's always articles or guides that could be updated or created on the XDA wiki. Otherwise like MCbrian said just answering questions so the pros can stay on task is always good.

[Q] How to donate to the Rhodium Android project?

I was just looking for an excuse to do something else instead preparing for exams, and there it was, sound finally working on Touch pro2!
To tell the truth, I've given up hope. I even started looking for a new phone, but never found anything that could compete with Rhodium's features, namely the awesome keyboard.
But I should have known better.
Now it's just down to the opengl driver and camera. Well and BT but I consider BT in any form non functional anyway
Anyway, to show my appreciation for the hard working awesome devs I'd like to donate to the project. How do I go about doing that?

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/w...63663d3faee8d4b3d02051cb40a5393d96fec50118c72

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donate_LG.gif:NonHosted

Use the official XDAndroid donate page....
http://xdandroid.com/w/donate.php

WoZZeR999 said:
Use the official XDAndroid donate page....
http://xdandroid.com/w/donate.php
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Thanks.
I should have dug it up myself, but I'm really busy these days. Didn't even have time to try the new builds yet
BTW, less than 30 donors on the wiki? WTF?
I see so many people whining but they can't spare at least $5?

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BTW, less than 30 donors on the wiki? WTF?
I see so many people whining but they can't spare at least $5?
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Welcome to the world of free. People still want it to work like devs are getting paid, but not pay anything.

i started with 10$ it's ridiculous i know, i pay more for my lunch each day.
but everyone here downloading hard work for free should consider doing the same. think of it, it's a good way to thank for the work already being done and encourage the guys for continuing if they still want to.
personally, i will continue to donate for each release i download

Thanks for posting this question. I've been wondering about this for a while. Donation sent. XDAndroid FTW

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https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donate_LG.gif:NonHosted
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm this guy wants people to donate to [email protected] ..... i really wonder if he is a developer assisting or if he is trying to rip people off of money belonging to those who deserve it for all of their hard work.
I say if its the latter, Ban him >.>

pyraxiate said:
Hmmmmmmmmmmm this guy wants people to donate to [email protected] ..... i really wonder if he is a developer assisting or if he is trying to rip people off of money belonging to those who deserve it for all of their hard work.
I say if its the latter, Ban him >.>
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huh? It's the developer (reef). Unless you're sure about something don't make false accusations.
It would have taken you 10 seconds to see that the paypal link is the same as the one posted in the OP of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627997

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huh? It's the developer (reef). Unless you're sure about something don't make false accusations.
It would have taken you 10 seconds to see that the paypal link is the same as the one posted in the OP of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627997
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Um, Karan, just posting links to paypal is bad, as lots of people don't hang around here enough to know who the real devs are.
A legit donation page is much more trustworthy.

I know. Only did it cause the post above mine posted the wrong paypal link.

[Q] Any proper Dev's here? Fancy a small challenge ?

*sigh*.. It's like asking for permission to ask a question. You'd be best off asking here directly.. Developers tend to have different strengths and weaknesses

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Looking for someone to put together a small app for me
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You should at least describe what kind of app is that

If I were to say openly then it would give someone else the opportunity to make the same app and the Dev (if there is one) who would agree to make it wcould lose out even if only on the credit for making it.

Im guessing in order to get help you can't automatically presume that most developers are d*cks who steal ideas from other people.

Now you are putting words into my mouth. Not really helpful that. Though the vast majority are not there is always a small number who plagiarise as is seen in the market. Now may I thank you for your comments as I await an answer.

I'm guessing you wont pay them either? I think developers might be reluctant if they feel that after hearing it, they might get in trouble for deciding they wont go ahead (I've been in that situation before)

As a developer... what? I have no idea what you're on about.
If you want a developer you need to:
1. Make available information about what you want developed.
2. Pay someone (a reasonable sum), or have a genuinely interesting project. The later being substantially less likely than the former.

Yeah...even if I pm'd you for information, and then decided I can't proceed on developing it... isn't it the same? I would have heard your idea anyway, so you're better off saying it directly. ;-)
Or... you could apply for a patent on it if you fear there are lots of thieves here lmao
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OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.

Guys, please try and keep this on-topic without resorting to flaming the moment I close this tab.
@OP, XDA is all about sharing and working together to achieve common goals. As a result, developers here tend to work best when others can get involved. This kind of post pops up now and then, but these ideas usually end up unfulfilled due to the lack of information available.
And remember this is people's hobby, not necessarily their job, so most people aren't about to commit to making an app when they have no idea what it is. If it's not interesting to them, they likely won't want to do it.

awww sulky wulky. Hey any devs wanna build an app for me? I'm selling it but won't pay for it, and have no way of supporting it further down the line? No? Didn't think so. Flan.

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OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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How would you know if the developer that you share the idea will not simply use it for his own profit?
This is xda-developers (a developer community) and I never heard about a case of stolen ideas here.
If you'd like to find some help implementing an idea, you should at least describe the developer profile, technologies,...
i.e. I'm looking for a developer to build a simple 2D game that connects to a website to load pictures using http protocol.... No previous experience required, All source code should be sent to me and I'll share the profits.... please PM me for details.
You can try rent-a-coder and, for a fee you have your idea implemented.
Your arrogance is not welcome here pal.
Good luck with your idea.

I make a post offering to give someone my idea for an app that if they can make they can do what they like with and I get flamed for it. I am not a Dev, I am very new to Android OS. I see a need and think someone may find it easy to meet that need so try to make it known so an individual may even if the want profit from it. And for this I get called arrogant and told I am not welcome.
And as for the trolling I will not comment.

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OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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good luck, you won't find any! you come here asking for someone willing to do some stuff for you you won't tell them about before they agree to do it? lol! why should ANYONE agree to that. i, for one, am not interested on this conditions. also, this here (xda & android) is about community development, open source and therefore open ideas where everyone can profit.
if you wan't to sell the app then hire some dev for 20$/h but then you are indeed @ the wrong place here. otherwise just tell everyone about your idea and IF it's interesting, some people might pick it up...

Go and ask an iPhone dev if you wanna behave like that...not because youd fit in being a wanker but because they're much more commercially minded. It's funny in your original post you kinda imply most people working in this section and putting out material are not 'proper devs'. This is xda and this is open...people suggest apps all the time and people make it for free and maybe include ads or small charge to cover there costs, see lag fix, noled and galaxy s sim unlocker on market. You can be like the idea makers from there and just go 'that covers my needs and it's cool' or you can merrily skip along to an iPhone dev who is all profit.

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I make a post offering to give someone my idea for an app that if they can make they can do what they like with and I get flamed for it. I am not a Dev, I am very new to Android OS. I see a need and think someone may find it easy to meet that need so try to make it known so an individual may even if the want profit from it. And for this I get called arrogant and told I am not welcome.
And as for the trolling I will not comment.
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So let's make it clear: you are offering the dev the idea and if he realizes it, all profits would go to him? He will publish it and everything? So why don't tell it straight away, if it's interesting someone will do it. Even if 2 or 3 people do it, there will be 2 or 3 apps for the same purpose. So what? How many im clients or gps navigation software are on the market, and still coming out? Do you think only one of them is getting money and the others don't? Users also like to have choice...
However you should at least tell what kind of skills are required? 2/3d gaming? Databases? Web connection? Kernel hacking? I think even if you aren't a developer yourself it shouldn't be difficult answering these questions... at least you are selecting potential candidates... that would be the minimum requisite for posting such requests, how can I know if I could do it if I don't even know what skills are required? Not all developers have the same background you know...
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OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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Well that's just the problem. You haven't put your idea to this forum.

I bet it was a clock widget.

Guys,
This one has gone way off topic based largely on assumptions which is very unfair on the OP.
Closing this now.
WB

Tehpriest said:
If I were to say openly then it would give someone else the opportunity to make the same app and the Dev (if there is one) who would agree to make it wcould lose out even if only on the credit for making it.
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You are not going to dev it by the sounds of it, so it is really not up to you to keep such a project closed, isn't that exactly what you are asking to happen anyway? ( have another dev make it for you. )
You are coming on a forum, asking if any dev is willing to work on a secret project... ?
If there is money involved, and thus a reason for secrecy, do mention it.
ebbhead said:
I bet it was a clock widget.
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More like a pink flashlight.