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Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
WM6 is new. SO NEW that Third-Party app developers haven't gotten all their fixes in. Our ROM chefs aren't responsible for those errors. Research and develop a fix, wait until someone develops a fix, or wait for the app developer...But before installing a rom you need to weigh whether or not it is worth it to loose some of your favorite apps. If you must have SPB plus and you read that people are having issues with it don't install the rom UNLESS you want to help find the fix. IF NOT...WAIT until the app developer upgrades their app. Don't install it and then post complaints and threads.
The chefs of these roms aren't here to help you setup your device and to solve all of your issues. If you have issues read, search and fix them. The research is part of the fun...finding fixes is part of the fun. Finding new ways to configure your device and setups is FUN. By asking first you're not participating in the best part of the forum.
As for fixing the "noob" issue...I think there is one pretty good solution.
I think the only way to fix such an issue is to either restrict new users from posting in the the WM6 forums for a period of time after joining. Hopefully you'll use that period of time to read. Because if you choose to install a rom and you know you can't ask a question you'll probably be more apt to read.
I'm not anti-noob. I was a noob once and I am still a noob in many ways. I also know that there are some good noobs in the forum. But I'm tired of taking the time to read the threads for critical information and coming across posts for how to install a new theme or where did the backlight on my keyboard go. That's where your user manual or the HTC website comes in. For Cingular people you have a great resource over @ the Cingular forums.
This is a community of like minded technical individuals. This is not HTC tech support or your carriers support. No one here owes you ANYTHING. You install a rom it's on you. If you can't take the responsibility then don't install the rom. It's pretty simple really.
I just had to get that off my chest. I'm sick and cranky but that only played a small role.
Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)
Helping is useless you just get bashed for it. Instead of putting useless programs that the "chef" uses they could spend that time using the carrier files located in the rom kitchen to help out users which takes all of what 3 minutes if that to recompile for a carrier. This would be much more productive then *****ing when someone tries to help by doing that. It's a joke suggesting someone help when they get nothing but grief and sarcasm when they do.
the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
Also note, that recompiling a compressed ROM will cause issues to the people that have installed it. you must decompile the original OS.nb that hasnt been compressed.
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the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
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Yes, you have proved you dont give a **** seeing you post the files that dont work
tell WPbear that and the hundreds of people that got cingular working with that.
And just to remind you its not my job to ensure u set up your carrier. You found a fix, damn mate, post it in the thread.
Although this is an open source community in a way, it is still harmful to the developrs if their work is ripped off without courtesy. ASk first then post later, not post first and hope its ok!
this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
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Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)
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I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
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I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
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no its not a must to donate... but its nice to be appreciated especially when the 'CHEF' has spend hours upon hours of his time and experience to benefit the community... honestly where would we be without these guys??? we would have locked handsets and be stuck with crappy carrier ROM's...
Hmmm
The noobs who post the ridiculous questions that have been answered many times before are (by their very nature) highly unlikely to read or care about this thread.....
Whilst I agree with some of the underlying points (read the wiki and the threads, use the search function etc) surely the more people who get interested in these devices, the wider they will be available and the better support etc from the carriers and htc will be available, meaning people here can spend more time developing rather than fixing bugs? The initial post just reads as if basically if you are not an experienced developer then you can just **** off. Not sure if (a) that is how it was meant or (b) that is the majority view.
Me thinks that xultar and custel need to grow up! Although you both evidently came into this as experts(sic), some others did not have your apparent vast wealth of experience to fall back on. To insult senior members, mods, and our chefs is unacceptable behavior! I, and I am sure others, are hoping to see you go!
The search functions can be a bit of a challenge....LOL, but insults and criticism are not needed.....Do us all a favor and just leave!
Okay.....there's my 4 cents worth..........
Later
NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
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Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
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... or boobs with noobs
ROFLMAO!!!
Same song, different forums. Yes, the noobs need to read the wiki and learn more, but we've all been there and need to remember what it was like getting yelled at in the forums. Yes, some of the "experts" think they're on a pedestal and can be huge jerks, but they've seen the same 10 questions about 1000 times and they help create noob resources like the wiki and the cool roms. Most of us are sitting in the middle just watching both sides screaming and thinking, "it's just a forum, wtf?"
I realize that the real issue began because of all the noobs bricking their phones trying to do things they don't fully understand and the animosity that comes from the ROM archive being removed as an indirect result. In case no one has noticed, this is not exactly an underground site and has become pretty popular with the increasing popularity of HTC products and the fine work that many of the contributors here have done. (Not to mention all the ppc sites that have linked to this one.)
The original post had some good points and I think was well-intended, however, Custel and Jasjamming decided to bring their personal beef with each other into it. If you two would like to argue with each other, feel free to use the private message function. Neither of you are helping this topic and only furthering the idea that a low post count means you're flame bait and a high post count means that you're allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post openly in the threads despite not being a mod. The moral here? We're all part of the same community here, so stop pissing on the neighbor's flowers and just tell him calmly that you're allergic while keeping in mind the other neighbors might like them.
As for the noobs destroying their phones with software they didn't understand and asking really simple over-asked questions, maybe we should make a quiz of basic information that pertains to each model and the information needed to do basic mods to them that all members have to answer with a certain percentage of success before allowing posts or access to download links (exluding a few basic forums). Each group that's active enough could make up their own pop quiz (Hermes, Trinity, etc...). All questions sourced from the wiki of course. Just a thought, since the only other suggestion seems to be to scream at the new guys and tell them to read (and search, which btw, really sucks on most forums since you have to know exactly what you're searching for to find anything useful in many cases).
having successfully upgraded several different models of HTC device to WinMo6 I know that there's very little risk from the process and a hell of a lot to gain.
Nobody here with a new-ish handset that's considering the upgrade is destitute and penniless, considering what the devices cost I'm beginning to wonder why donations to either the chefs or XDA devs isn't the norm...
Seriously, there are a lot of tight bastards around here, more than there are 'new' users who can't be arsed to use the search before opening the 30th thread asking for help on the exact same issue.
Post from a NOOB
Guys,
Let me give you a viewpoint from a NOOB. I would not call myself technically challenged nor lazy, but definitely new to this wonderful forum where some people who are way more cooler than me have found ways to help me make better use of my handheld than what I had stock.
Yes, I read the Hermes wiki checked through all (or the threads I thought were relevant) to make sure that this was something I wanted to (and could) do without bricking my expensive device. Even though I thought I read quite a lot, and did everything the wiki said, after I did something I could not verify whether what I did worked or not (like the time I SuperCID-ed my phone and did not know what the steps where to confirm it happened). So I ask. Some times people answer my questions, sometime they dont.
Yes, noobs need to know not to quote large message chunks, they need to read before they ask. I agree to all that. But some people say things like if you are not technical dont even bother to be here, that's insulting.
Though I read and re-read Xultar's initial post and I did not see anything there that really insulted me. I think he had a valid point that if you think you are faint of heart, please stick to your carrier's forum. These forums and this great site is for those adventurers (it just gives me an ego boost to think that way ;-)) who like to go where no man has gone before.
I have been here probably 2 weeks, and I feel like I found a place where I can belong. I just wish I were cool enough to really cook some ROMS. But I think I can get started in small ways.
Jasjamming, I understand your frustration when people take what you have taken great pains in doing and then repackage it, especially without your permission. No excuses for that. But it does not behoove for someone of your stature in this community to bad mouth people. I (and am sure more noobs like me) look up to people like you, kyphur and LVSW who can do things that most of us can just dream about. Just let go or I am sure that the moderators of this forum can remove those posts without much problem.
Sorry for the long rant, but I like this place. And felt I had to weigh in on this conversation.
CUSTEL said:
You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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Please delete this thread. I'll send a PM to a Mod as well.
Thanks.
If anyone can help me obtain a newer (or release!) WM6 rom, I'd be ever so grateful. I'd like to do some cooking on it, and release it on here.
I can help you get it off your phone if that's they only way you have it! Or, of course, an .nb is good too
PM me if you can help.
I'm sure LVSW can help you with that
The only problem - it may cost you $2.5/MB
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I'm sure LVSW can help you with that
The only problem - it may cost you $2.5/MB
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Hee Hee Hee, that has tickled me!
LegolasTheElf said:
If anyone can help me obtain a newer (or release!) WM6 rom, I'd be ever so grateful. I'd like to do some cooking on it, and release it on here.
I can help you get it off your phone if that's they only way you have it! Or, of course, an .nb is good too
PM me if you can help.
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You are a genius...cooking a rom with some heavy bugs and WHAT A COINCIDENCE, you are the only man who can fix it...only by skype
a true entrepreneur!
An Opinion -
This is a developers site where people help each other and learn for free.
That's why this site is so amazing and successfull.
Asking for donations or money to help others for a fee should be stopped immediately. If anyone wants a donation or money for services (sick) then create your own private site and do it from there!
The argument that thier time is money and cannot help noobs, then they have no place on this site.
Also, ALL DONATION requests on this site should be for XDA-Developers and XDA-Developers Wiki sites ONLY.
This is a call to the administrators of XDA Developers: Please keep this site to the standards that it always is and has been.
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Could not possibly agree more with this.
Its disgusting and unethical.
Each to their own, but do it in your forum/web/blog not here.
I am all for donations, and praising/rewarding/bribing the creators of these excellent tools/roms etc.
Its a crying shame when that gets turned into a profit making, scamming situation and preying on noobs and constantly asking to be PAID (not donated to) to hep using free information just because they can't be bothered showing the way and would rather charge to do it themselves.
donations are DONATIONS!
(not talking about legolas)
If I want to reward a developer It`s my choice! to do that, I need a link for donations.
and guys, I dont know why your bugging LegolasTheElf,
here he gives he`s support with no demand, out on skype where he give`s more attention he want`s a payback - it`s he`s choice.
I and a big portion of all of us want to reward the developers!
donations is the only way and I hope you`ll see whats so important in donations.
Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.
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You are a genius...
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i think lego has been called this enough today.. its going to his head
elivne said:
(not talking about legolas)
If I want to reward a developer It`s my choice! to do that, I need a link for donations.
and guys, I dont know why your bugging LegolasTheElf,
here he gives he`s support with no demand, out on skype where he give`s more attention he want`s a payback - it`s he`s choice.
I and a big portion of all of us want to reward the developers!
donations is the only way and I hope you`ll see whats so important in donations.
Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.
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I agree - BUT donations should not be solicited from this site.
Its getting ugly!!
Developers can link to their own sites and ask for donations from there.
Not from here. This can be controlled by the administrators.
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Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.
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Dont think anybody actually suggested that
ok guys... enough with all of that... Its fine to have links to accept donations... we always ask that the person donates to the board, but in some instances people would like to donate to the person that helped them.. we dont make posts asking for donations, we arent begging.. its there for an option to person, not mandatory.. we are here whether we get donations or not... end of discussion.. im locking this thread, its gone way off topic. sorry lego, gotta lock it..
HI ALL;
As u might have seen,coolgadget wants to leave us.I wish to have this something like a petition and ask him to stop.Let the number of us make him change his mind.All those who enjoyed the ROMs and other things from the site,please add a post as a sign.
Regards
RAMBO29 very nice from you.
You can count on my vote to support.
Me too
I'm sorry that the devs are feeling upset by comments from a small minority of users, but guys they ARE a small minority. I for one really appreciate the work done on the ROMS and the support provided by some very talented people on these forums.
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RAMBO29 very nice from you.
You can count on my vote to support.
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You have my vote and always my support.
I agree this forum is great and it is because of some nice guys that work hard and cook some great ROMS.
Let's keep it that way and support those guys.
CoolGadet and Tom, too - please don´t leave this forum - see so many members and friends thinking about the situation and waiting on (we are all with you).
Please, Please, Please go on cooking roms and developing applications - lets have fun as in former times!
Uli form Germany
uliba said:
CoolGadet and Tom, too - please don´t leave this forum - see so many members and friends thinking about the situation and waiting on (we are all with you).
Please, Please, Please go on cooking roms and developing applications - lets have fun as in former times!
Uli form Germany
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Tom??? Tom is gone too?????
Tom stay with us, please my friend.
It really would be ashame if all the people with the know how are leaving the forum. I'm like most of the visitors a reader, not a writer. just ignore the small bunch of complainers.
Don't let the dimwits win - stay on board!
Please stay.
Although I haven't been a member for long, I have begun to appreciate Xda-Devs as my second home (quite literally) and I'd hate to see a small minority disrupt the cause of the greater good.
Just my 0.02$
as Virgilio said to Dante: don't care about them, just look and go on...
DON' T GO AWAY!!!
I understand you.
Please stay!
Coolgadjet!
please stay!
XDA - DEVELOPERS will not be the same without you.
Hey guys please stay your work and help is definitely appreciated
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Although I haven't been a member for long, I have begun to appreciate Xda-Devs as my second home (quite literally) and I'd hate to see a small minority disrupt the cause of the greater good.
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totally agree in your opinion. Just ignore these idiots and come back, please !
And Tom_codon too
i don't see Tom online in 3 days.In this thead have 452 view but why only 13 post ??
U want Tom and Coolgadget quit with us ???
If don't want it.Please say anything.I think if we have 100 post Tom and Coolgaget will stay..!
Please write anything i don't want Tom quit with us.I love this guy..
Please Stay
You have my support too! please don't leave. its people like you that make this board worth coming to! Goes out to Tom and Coolgadget!!!!
Pls don't go
Pls don't go boys
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And Tom_codon too
i don't see Tom online in 3 days.(
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You did not look too hard, he was online at 20.48 hours on 03 September.
They got my vote too! It is nowhere fair that a small group off people can be the reason for some great guys to leave this forum!
Common guys please think about it!
RvBCrS
my vote too,
come on guys, don't take notice of all these
lazy, stupide guys who just wait and complaine.
there is all the reste of us who are counting on you.
okay, maybe stupid newbies questions but.... please
stay.
Hello!I`m a memmber of this forum for some time and now for about 2 weeks i changed my device and go to other part of this forum but i noticed that almost all power users from here are waiting for donations to make something once all of this wasn`t like this what happend with that days?
I'm not power user or cooker but a donation isn't a must: you can do or not do it.
They spend a lot of time to do their works and if I want to donate some € for a good work I do it else I can use the SW without problem and w/o donation.
D'rath
If people are not releasing something because they will only do so if they get donations they are violating Forum Rule 8. Feel free to report them.
See rules here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=256
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8. Donations.
We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
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D'rath said:
I'm not power user or cooker but a donation isn't a must: you can do or not do it.
They spend a lot of time to do their works and if I want to donate some € for a good work I do it else I can use the SW without problem and w/o donation.
D'rath
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Most of them make roms because they like to do it and they want to, that's it!
It's wrong to put in BIG words in the signature and everywhere else, as if the roms that they do, are really, really, really hard work.
What hard work? lol! Nobody force them to make roms...
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Most of them make roms because they like to do it and they want to, that's it!
It's wrong to put in BIG words in the signature and everywhere else, as if the roms that they do, are really, really, really hard work.
What hard work? lol! Nobody force them to make roms...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=539407
As a modder I put in lots of time into my work. I release about 4-8 ROM variations a week. I also release some other minor stuff, packages for chefs and a few other things. There are plenty of sleepless nights for me. A little something in return is always nice.
Here is a little story and how end users can be greedy too.
A couple of weeks ago I had to sell my device for finacial reasons. I posted in my ROM thread that I will not be releasing a new ROM because I had to sell my phone. I came back online around 3 hours later to find about 140 private messages in my inbox. All but 3 asked for my ROM without a thanks and/or sorry to hear about your current situation. That got me very mad. So I changed how my ROMs were distributed.
All of my Lite and Super Lite ROMs, ROMs with no TF3D 2.1 or 2.5 or for Public use. All my TF3D2.X are for private users. To be a private user you have to be an active member of the community who comes in here and tries to help others. You are not a user who just downloads stuff, does not say thanks and then always complains about a few bugs. Or if you prefer you can make a donation. Lets say you would rather not bother helping others, don't have the time too or just want to say thanks to the modder with a little donation.
For myself I do not use TF3D and I take the time out to make something I do not use for myself for the end user so what is wrong with getting a little something in return for my time?
Every other thing I do on XDA is up for grabs for everyone...
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Most of them make roms because they like to do it and they want to, that's it!
It's wrong to put in BIG words in the signature and everywhere else, as if the roms that they do, are really, really, really hard work.
What hard work? lol! Nobody force them to make roms...
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Have you ever tried to make a ROM? To say it is not hard work is just plain stupid.
I do agree with you with the big buttons and what not...
You should be thankful that people on here like make ROMs. Have any idea what it would cost you to walk into a phone store and have something like this done, that's if even they know how too?
If it is not hard work then give it a shot and see how easy it is.
Some people are just so ungrateful...
I am glad that you don't have a Rhodium...
Since I shared a bad story here is a...
very amazing story!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4545746&postcount=771
Shocked. But if it's a donation...
I'm a chef, but I don't ask for any donation for releasing my ROMs.
I develop my ROMs for the people who wants it, and I'm happy to help you all to have a good OS and functional PDA.
However, my "Donation" link is always in my signature because if someone would like to help my hard work with his donation I'll be happy to accept it... but I'll continue to release my ROMs even if noone donates.
As for now, noone donated.. and I released a lot of versions of my ROMs, and I don't ask for any obligatory donation ^^
Chefs here doesn't ask for anything... donation is only for "giving" a simple "Thank You!" for the hard work we are doing!
Sincerely,
kholk.
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very amazing story!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4545746&postcount=771
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That is very generous of the user. Even if he does not follow through with the device, that must be a great compliment to receive.
Possible solution
I don't know how xda feels about this but could they place something akin to google adwords into the topic so that the user who made the topic could get a piece of the pie. Of course xda would get a cut too. =p
*sigh*.. It's like asking for permission to ask a question. You'd be best off asking here directly.. Developers tend to have different strengths and weaknesses
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Looking for someone to put together a small app for me
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You should at least describe what kind of app is that
If I were to say openly then it would give someone else the opportunity to make the same app and the Dev (if there is one) who would agree to make it wcould lose out even if only on the credit for making it.
Im guessing in order to get help you can't automatically presume that most developers are d*cks who steal ideas from other people.
Now you are putting words into my mouth. Not really helpful that. Though the vast majority are not there is always a small number who plagiarise as is seen in the market. Now may I thank you for your comments as I await an answer.
I'm guessing you wont pay them either? I think developers might be reluctant if they feel that after hearing it, they might get in trouble for deciding they wont go ahead (I've been in that situation before)
As a developer... what? I have no idea what you're on about.
If you want a developer you need to:
1. Make available information about what you want developed.
2. Pay someone (a reasonable sum), or have a genuinely interesting project. The later being substantially less likely than the former.
Yeah...even if I pm'd you for information, and then decided I can't proceed on developing it... isn't it the same? I would have heard your idea anyway, so you're better off saying it directly. ;-)
Or... you could apply for a patent on it if you fear there are lots of thieves here lmao
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
Guys, please try and keep this on-topic without resorting to flaming the moment I close this tab.
@OP, XDA is all about sharing and working together to achieve common goals. As a result, developers here tend to work best when others can get involved. This kind of post pops up now and then, but these ideas usually end up unfulfilled due to the lack of information available.
And remember this is people's hobby, not necessarily their job, so most people aren't about to commit to making an app when they have no idea what it is. If it's not interesting to them, they likely won't want to do it.
awww sulky wulky. Hey any devs wanna build an app for me? I'm selling it but won't pay for it, and have no way of supporting it further down the line? No? Didn't think so. Flan.
Tehpriest said:
OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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How would you know if the developer that you share the idea will not simply use it for his own profit?
This is xda-developers (a developer community) and I never heard about a case of stolen ideas here.
If you'd like to find some help implementing an idea, you should at least describe the developer profile, technologies,...
i.e. I'm looking for a developer to build a simple 2D game that connects to a website to load pictures using http protocol.... No previous experience required, All source code should be sent to me and I'll share the profits.... please PM me for details.
You can try rent-a-coder and, for a fee you have your idea implemented.
Your arrogance is not welcome here pal.
Good luck with your idea.
I make a post offering to give someone my idea for an app that if they can make they can do what they like with and I get flamed for it. I am not a Dev, I am very new to Android OS. I see a need and think someone may find it easy to meet that need so try to make it known so an individual may even if the want profit from it. And for this I get called arrogant and told I am not welcome.
And as for the trolling I will not comment.
Tehpriest said:
OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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good luck, you won't find any! you come here asking for someone willing to do some stuff for you you won't tell them about before they agree to do it? lol! why should ANYONE agree to that. i, for one, am not interested on this conditions. also, this here (xda & android) is about community development, open source and therefore open ideas where everyone can profit.
if you wan't to sell the app then hire some dev for 20$/h but then you are indeed @ the wrong place here. otherwise just tell everyone about your idea and IF it's interesting, some people might pick it up...
Go and ask an iPhone dev if you wanna behave like that...not because youd fit in being a wanker but because they're much more commercially minded. It's funny in your original post you kinda imply most people working in this section and putting out material are not 'proper devs'. This is xda and this is open...people suggest apps all the time and people make it for free and maybe include ads or small charge to cover there costs, see lag fix, noled and galaxy s sim unlocker on market. You can be like the idea makers from there and just go 'that covers my needs and it's cool' or you can merrily skip along to an iPhone dev who is all profit.
Tehpriest said:
I make a post offering to give someone my idea for an app that if they can make they can do what they like with and I get flamed for it. I am not a Dev, I am very new to Android OS. I see a need and think someone may find it easy to meet that need so try to make it known so an individual may even if the want profit from it. And for this I get called arrogant and told I am not welcome.
And as for the trolling I will not comment.
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So let's make it clear: you are offering the dev the idea and if he realizes it, all profits would go to him? He will publish it and everything? So why don't tell it straight away, if it's interesting someone will do it. Even if 2 or 3 people do it, there will be 2 or 3 apps for the same purpose. So what? How many im clients or gps navigation software are on the market, and still coming out? Do you think only one of them is getting money and the others don't? Users also like to have choice...
However you should at least tell what kind of skills are required? 2/3d gaming? Databases? Web connection? Kernel hacking? I think even if you aren't a developer yourself it shouldn't be difficult answering these questions... at least you are selecting potential candidates... that would be the minimum requisite for posting such requests, how can I know if I could do it if I don't even know what skills are required? Not all developers have the same background you know...
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Tehpriest said:
OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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Well that's just the problem. You haven't put your idea to this forum.
I bet it was a clock widget.
Guys,
This one has gone way off topic based largely on assumptions which is very unfair on the OP.
Closing this now.
WB
Tehpriest said:
If I were to say openly then it would give someone else the opportunity to make the same app and the Dev (if there is one) who would agree to make it wcould lose out even if only on the credit for making it.
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You are not going to dev it by the sounds of it, so it is really not up to you to keep such a project closed, isn't that exactly what you are asking to happen anyway? ( have another dev make it for you. )
You are coming on a forum, asking if any dev is willing to work on a secret project... ?
If there is money involved, and thus a reason for secrecy, do mention it.
ebbhead said:
I bet it was a clock widget.
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More like a pink flashlight.