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My Jasjam seems to be running slower. Could it be that it's being caused by a low level of Storage memory? I'm currently at:
Total - 49.33
In Use - 41.08
Free - 8.25
If this is a problem, what causes it? And can u suggest a way to fix it?
Thanks.
How many programs have you got running? Have you got the "x-key" program that doesn't just minimize but closes programs. Check out memory in settings and see just what is running. The more programs open the more ram being used and the more sluggish the phone. Its recommended to soft reset the phone once a day to refresh your ram too. Hope this helps, Cheers.
By the way, I've got a telstra jasjam too, I found the telstra rom a real Mongrel. It was loaded with stuff I didn't need and was painful. I've upgraded through various roms and am now using Faria-R32 Dr Puttingham WM6.1 HERMES ROM-CUSTOM+CLEAN. I like this as well as the shadow roms. Depends what you like but I wouldnt stay with the stock rom.
Ultra,
Thanks for the reply. I do have the "x-key". When I "stop all" in Settings / Memory, I still only have about 8Mb Storage Memory Free. Does this really matter?
I undrstand your comments about the Telstra ROM being full of garbage, but I've been reluctant to change form the standard Telstra ROM, as I had BIG problems with bluetooth under the old WM5 ROM, but under this one, it's all OK -- and I really need bluetooth to work properly. Is there a simple way of cleaning up the Telstra ROM? And would it help?
Cheers.
i think ultramag69 got a little confused........that's 8 megs storage memory, not program memory. That is reduced cause of the programs that you have installed.
anyone would tell you that almost any cooked rom here i better than a shipped rom. i dont really know what's in a telstra rom and without a hardreset or a reflash.......the only thing i can suggest is to uninstall bundled applications that you dont use. other than that all i can suggest is some registry tweaks, like using schap's advanced configuration tool
Not confused at all. I tend t find that some programs sit in the background consuming valuable memory while in essence doing nothing for you. As for cutting down the Telstra rom, Its not really going to happen. most of the Apps are cooked into the os with some in the extended rom. You might be able to get rid of Pool and Blackjack(?) but most don't appear in your Remove programs list. If bluetooth is all you're worried about though there are some fantastic roms out there that aren't bloated with Misc crap that work fine with the Bluetooth. I've personally never had that problem and I use the Bluetooth extensively. For speed look at the Naked lite roms but I can assure you that some of the other cooked roms while still having a large amount of stuff cooked in are STILL faster than the stock rom. You will have to see what you want for a good rom but if you decide to flash os I would suggest TNT SE. WM6 as this is a VERY stable rom(was for me) and I had no problems with it. Also had excellant bluetooth. Would also suggest HTC Bluetooth Quicklink as an app you might like. Sits on the today screen and connects to everything quickly. Good for Stereo headphones that wont stay connected for music. Hope this helps you out. Cheers
Anyone notice that if you dont use one of those utilities that clears temp files, notifications, etc, after a while your TF3D and phone lags to the point of pressing on the screen and there is a nice delay?? i'm basically running the stock sprint rom, with the tweak package and a few basic mods..
any ideas??
Slowdowns aren't caused by temporary files and such. They are usually caused by high processor activity and by low amounts of ram available. You should check what services are running and the ram you have.
I dotn have very much running... mostly stock items and then memaid, email scheduler, glalarm
dahauss said:
Anyone notice that if you dont use one of those utilities that clears temp files, notifications, etc, after a while your TF3D and phone lags to the point of pressing on the screen and there is a nice delay?? i'm basically running the stock sprint rom, with the tweak package and a few basic mods..
any ideas??
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It's true that RAM gets gobbled up with time -- maybe worse with some ROMs than others -- and lack of operating memory can eventually make the phone laggy. I'm no expert, so I don't know exactly why RAM get's consumed and not relinquished, but it's a fact (not always, but often).
I'm using the stock ROM but a bunch of MODS including the cleanup cab file and 64 icons and 1% battery driver to name a few... earlier today I had to use memmaid and then soft reset as the machine would lag.. now its OK...
Some drivers and mods may have memory leaks so maybe one of them is causing this. Can you please tell us your average memory consumption?
Are you on a stock WinMo 6.5 ROM? I find those to be not very optimized in terms of RAM usage. I've been flashing a couple ROMs and I've come to a couple of conclusions:
-Stick with the stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of my device right out of the box.
-If you want WinMo 6.5, use Josh's or Sergio's ROMs. Excellent speed, features, and stability.
-If you want Sense 2.5, don't. Just forget it. It's obviously not meant for our devices. Just too much lag all around.
-If you can live without Sense or TF3D, that'll give you back a whole bunch of free RAM. Good alternatives are SPB Mobile Shell, Titanium, or HTC Home (the Today-plugin from the original HTC Touch).
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Are you on a stock WinMo 6.5 ROM? I find those to be not very optimized in terms of RAM usage. I've been flashing a couple ROMs and I've come to a couple of conclusions:
-Stick with the stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of my device right out of the box.
-If you want WinMo 6.5, use Josh's or Sergio's ROMs. Excellent speed, features, and stability.
-If you want Sense 2.5, don't. Just forget it. It's obviously not meant for our devices. Just too much lag all around.
-If you can live without Sense or TF3D, that'll give you back a whole bunch of free RAM. Good alternatives are SPB Mobile Shell, Titanium, or HTC Home (the Today-plugin from the original HTC Touch).
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I totally agree. The stock 6.1 is the fastest, stable and low ram consumer.
I've got an Tilt 2 (ATT) using the stock rom from e2 rom. Seems like the device starts to slow down over time especially with a bunch of apps installed. I install apps to my storage card. I have used memory reclaimers, but they never seems to reclaim all the ram that is being used. I can see this because I know how much is in use after boot up.
In particular, tabs in TF3D can be slow to appear when they are stopped in, apps slow to launch. I have the app stay open in the background, maybe that is also part of my problem, but I do manually close apps at times too to keep the running ones down to 4 or less.
Anyway..does anyone else notice this? I try not to reboot my phone much. I guess I would like to not have to reboot the phone every few days but if that is what other people do, then so be it.
Thanks for any advice people might have...
Several items:
-stock ROMs especially from carriers are often bloated and don't perform as well as cooked ROMs.
-regular soft resets are unfortunately crucial to keeping your device performing at a high level throughout the day. I have a program that schedules my device to soft reset every morning. But I'd say once every 2 or 3 days is fine.
I'm using the stock rom minus the bloat provided by eraser...
Thanks for the help..I'll just reboot the device every few days.
Linear2202 said:
I'm using the stock rom minus the bloat provided by eraser...
Thanks for the help..I'll just reboot the device every few days.
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There's several memory management tweaks and apps that have shown to help a lot with freeing up those resources in the TP2. Have you already tried the two .cabs (nopushinternet and resproxy delete) that have been circulating here? Those, along with a registry edit have made a big difference in the RAM consumption on the TP2 for a number of people on the 6.5 rom. There's also some settings via Advanced Configuration that seem to help.
I actually purchased Memmaid because the TP2 tools wouldn't work on my device for some reason. Memmaid helps, but it doesn't quite do it.
The rom I'm using has push internet disabled, but I am aware of the cab for it too, thank you.
I have not tried the proxy delete cab, I will look into that.
The memmaid app has some performance registry tweaks. There are some for internet explorer, but I use opera, so I'm going to put those back to normal.
I tend to let apps be open too and perhaps that is also part of the problem. I go in an close them when several are open, but maybe I should just have the X button close the app instead.
Thanks again for everyone's input. Much appreciated.
make sure you use the opera9 edits or cabs to disable auto startup of Opera. I know normally have 48% ram to use with stock rom and before it would be in the high 30's after a while without anything open. I agree the mem progams dont restore it to fresh boot state but they do help.
I also haven't disabled Opera at startup, i will look into that as well to give me a bit more ram. Thanks again.
Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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I can't offer any magic bullets here for you I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that I think the blame can be squarely placed on Sense, as opposed to wm6.5 so much. Not to say that 6.5 is some kind of streamlined OS, but just try using the phone for a day, or even just a few hours, with Sense turned off, and this will become obvious.
I know that's not terribly insightful, but in problem solving you always want to divide and conquer, so you can at least know which of those two ways to direct your efforts. I wish you luck, honestly...I think there's a lot more TP2 owners out there who experience it exactly as you do, if not worse. My personal experience on my recent upgrade to a stock 6.5 ROM is slightly better than yours, but no more than 10%, and I'm fastidious about manual memory management (through pretty much the same methods you've listed). The only other thing I do that I don't see a lot of other users here doing, that I believe helps me sidestep other lagging issues, is keeping my sms folders trimmed at all times...as in, no more than 45-50 messages in there live at any given time. Will your memory load decrease if you do the same? I dunno, it's just the only other thing I could think of that you haven't already mentioned
Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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On most TP2's yes....there were a few carrier ROMs (like the first tmobile WM6.1 ROM) that had the precursor to Sense, aka TF3D, but most carrier's ROMs either came with Sense or have now been upgraded to it.
Thanks Sirphunkee for your response. After several days of searching and finding no one able to give any sort of real answer to the massive memory consumption sense uses, I have sence reverted her phone back to the stock rom at her request (I dont blame her: 66-73% consumed when ideling is simply not acceptable by any standards). If al she were doing is running the homescreen plugin (sense) I guess this might be fine, but she actually uses the tp2 for other things than just looking at it and scrolling from tab to tab.
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
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I'm glad you got something that works the way you want...but 8 programs running at once?! I assume that you're not joking...?
I'm sure that the reason you couldn't find much help on how to free up memory to the level you want is because nobody else needs to run that many programs at once.
Just curious: what 8 programs would a person need to run at the same time? And it's not useful with "only" 3 or 4 programs running simultaneously?
Of course, it's none of my business...I've just never heard of wanting to run that many programs simultaneously. I don't even do that on my PC at work (engineering R&D).
FWIW: My phone (running the ROM in my sig) boots at about 62% memory used and slowly grows. I run cleanRAM when memory use gets well above 70% (even though the phone still seems to perform fine at that level). That usually brings it down by about 15MB. Eventually cleanRAM can't do enough and I soft-reset. I don't find it difficult or inconvenient to do a soft-reset since it only takes a couple of minutes. I find that an acceptable compromise to avoid having to use the inconvenient 6.1 with 2.1. After running 6.5.5 for the past 4 or 5 months I can't even go back to regular 6.5.
YMMV...and obviously does!
Honestly, when my phone (Tilt 2) wakes me up in the morning with the alarm, I immediately do a soft reset while I evacuate fluids and brush teeth. It is good for the day. I tend to hover around 60%.
But I am running the stock Tilt 2 rom which is still 2.1
Don't want to make any form of advertising or spam, but I honestly think that you should try my Hybrid ROM. Sense 2.5 and WM6.1 improves the used memory a lot. Now I have fixed all important incompatibility bugs, so it's reliable and much faster then any other Sense 2.5 rom. If you don't care about the WM6.5 eye-candy and you're prepared for some stylus use, try it.
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I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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So there's a tool to convert the iPhone marketplace to Android marketplace? Neat.
Honestly mine does great runnin latest energy rom with the ssk and push internet + memory leak mod. have weather animation disabled and also turned off animation on cookie tabs. amazingly quick. my memory runs bout 60% idle.. which is great compared to what it was on the stock att rom. energyrom 4/17/10 6.5 with sense 2.5
Okay, I did a good search and can't find a simple, straight answer for this so I figured I would ask.
What is the best way to speed up my verizon touch pro 2 running WM 6.5. It lags when I try to text and even just going through menus, I don't want to add anything crazy, just something that will make everything run quicker if that is possible. If anyone can help me out here, I would much appreciate it!
I think its several ways to optimize your device speed.
Try to choose new custom fast firmware.
Try to minimize RAM load-look at running apps.
Try overclocking tools.
Try registry hacks.
Try to shout at device "FASTER FASTER"
lol the best advice was "faster faster"
Disable TF3d, or even better, use a 6.1 rom and disable Touchflo.
Okay, thanks for the tips. I will definately trying yelling FASTER at it but if that doesn't work I will try the others
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Okay, I did a good search and can't find a simple, straight answer for this so I figured I would ask.
What is the best way to speed up my verizon touch pro 2 running WM 6.5. It lags when I try to text and even just going through menus, I don't want to add anything crazy, just something that will make everything run quicker if that is possible. If anyone can help me out here, I would much appreciate it!
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Take A Look At This Thread I Think It Will Solve Your Problems --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=887469
That works really well. Thanks Doo Doo
It really shouldn't lag all that bad, unless you have hundreds of messages that need to load.
I personally wouldn't overclock the CPU until I have tried all other options. It's got to have an impact on battery and stability. I've overclocked my devices in the past and most of time it was more trouble than I was willing to live with.
Did you try to HR ? Most time a severe system lag is a sign of screwed up registry. Another issue is available memory.
You can free up lots of RAM by disabling the default Start menu and replacing it with something smaller and faster. I use QuickMenu and WKTask combo.
Finally, switching from Sense to Titanium speeds things up another bit, and Titanium is surprisingly useful when you install a few "missing" plugins (Application launcher (CLauncher), Favorite People, Titanium Weather, Stock tickler plugin).