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What are the differences?
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No answer for question...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317796
I would suggest trying both if you unsure
In my humble opinion an official Rom never has the toys a cooked custiom made rom has.
I tend to stick to Roms made by the same people as they know what they are doing. Lke at the Moment To Codon hasnt let me down at all.
In the past Mda buzz dev etc etc etc have all done sterling work on various devices.
I dint tend to install a Rom without knowing who made it has done something well before, and with good comments and feedback.
As I say in my pinion Tom can be relied on and the Rom is sweet
Black and blue is the official rom with lots of stuff added on. While I like a lot of the B&B I hate a lot of it also.
So I personally go for Official then add the bits I Want.
But if you want the fast approach to a nice looking rom then go B&B. You also have to be careful as they often include bits that can make the rom unstable.
For example, I changed my settings to include file system cache to speed things up but the device would lock up loads. Also, HTC x-button 1.51 causes MAJOR system instability, while B&B uses the more stable 1.5 if included in future releases you can expect a whole load of problems.
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Thanks for your answers.
If I understood, both are basically the same, but with a custom one some apps are added.
What is the advantage of this over installing them yourself?
Is more space efficient maybe?
I just bought my p3300 via internet (and I still don't have it) but I have a qteck s100 for the last 4 years, which I customized in a very nice way.
They only reason I waited was because I was not convinced about the CPU speed (and I'm still not convinced buy now I could find it cheap enough to try), so maybe using B&B rom will make it more efficient, am I right?
Cheers
I don't think the P3300 will be much faster than the S100, but it's fast enough to do it's daily tasks (calendar, gps, games).
The B&B 3.7 has about 32 mb of free space after installation. When you install most applications on the micro-SD card, the P3300 will stay relatively fast.
The main advantage of flashing a custom rom is that you don't have to customize it so much yourself (if you like the features).
After installing WM6 3.5 rom I installed the HTC Touch Comm manager, a black smart dialer, WM5torage, HTC X-button 1.5 and some other stuff which are allready in B&B 3.7, so for me the choice was easy.
Most ROM cookers make a list of customizations they made. Choose the one you like the most, read the thread for possible problems and install the ROM you want....
Gwystyl said:
I don't think the P3300 will be much faster than the S100, but it's fast enough to do it's daily tasks (calendar, gps, games).
The B&B 3.7 has about 32 mb of free space after installation. When you install most applications on the micro-SD card, the P3300 will stay relatively fast.
The main advantage of flashing a custom rom is that you don't have to customize it so much yourself (if you like the features).
After installing WM6 3.5 rom I installed the HTC Touch Comm manager, a black smart dialer, WM5torage, HTC X-button 1.5 and some other stuff which are allready in B&B 3.7, so for me the choice was easy.
Most ROM cookers make a list of customizations they made. Choose the one you like the most, read the thread for possible problems and install the ROM you want....
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B&B has 32 mb of free space. If I install official wm6 I guess I would have more, don't I?
If the main advantage is that I don't have to customize it, this is not an advantage for me, as customizing is link to each individual.
If cooked roms are more efficient in terms of space, resources, and performance then yes, this is a good reason.
Is everything that its packed into a cooked rom taking less space than if I do it myself?
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I'm installing
"RUU_Artemis_DOPODASIA_WWE_3.7.707.1_4.1.13.30_02.69.90_Ship.exe"
Is correct?
Ready !! All OK
sturgis said:
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Well.. for people using P800 series able to use both: Official HTC & Tom's B&B
but people using M700 / HTC Love they only have one choice: Tom B&B!
so Tom's B&B its a miracle, a life saviour!
cheers
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I chose Tom's ROM because I wanted a good German version of it. The only official version was from O2 and I don't have the XDA Orbit but a HTC P3300 and didn't want the O2 Splash Screen or the custom O2 settings in my connections. Since it is very annoying to remove all of them by myself I took Tom's version. And HTC hasn't released their own official version, I don't want to wait an eternity.
Actually I installed the official ROM and made some customizations to it (Kaiser Home Plugin etc.) and I ended up with something very similar to Tom's ROM. So if I would flash again I will go for his solution!
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Actually I installed the official ROM and made some customizations to it (Kaiser Home Plugin etc.) and I ended up with something very similar to Tom's ROM. So if I would flash again I will go for his solution!
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I still don't understand the advantages...
Is B&B packing a some nice utilities taking less space? does it optimize the memory, battery, speed?
I bought my p3300 from htc and I am getting it in one hour
Probably it will come with WM5. Where could I get WM6 official?
One thing I assume that the WM6 is going to be better is stability and reliability. Am I right?
does Tom ROM include italian Language?
Its all down to personal choice, they are pretty much identical except toms B&B comes with the nice bits pre-installed. Do you want everything in the rom? If not go for the official one and add on the bits you want (like me).
I have found WM5Storage can leave your device a little unstable, especially if you use it for storing email attachments and your IE cache.
Tryid both
Your can just try both
I will say this though - Without people like "King Tom" - guys like me would not even be close to learning to flash any ROM at all. The work thise guys are doing is great, and i Love the 3.7 ROM...
I think it depends off how many programs you want to install and configure your-selv in they end
I'm asking because, I've used a couple and they all seem to drop after a while of use, requiring you to soft reset eventually. Didn't notice this problem in WM5. My wifes MDA has 25Megs of available program memory at any given moment, and she never resets her device or uses hybernate or clears cache mem unless I do it (and yes, she uses quite a few programs daily). My device starts out at 25Megs and then slowly drops down to about 20, then after a couple more days, down to about 17Megs (that's the lowest I've gotten before I reset). And when it drops this low, I use Clear Tem to clean the cache and other temp folders. And I use Hybernate and I still can't get the memory back up to 20Megs. So is this just WM6 or could it be the ROM I'm using?
I'm currently running Meschle's O2 Premium ROM (which is great BTW). This ROM is much better on memory than some previous ROMs I've used but it does drop down like I mentioned above. Didn't bother me until the other day when I was trying to get some pics of some friends for my picture caller ID. The camera would not open because memory was too low. I had to soft reset. It was quite embarrasing. May have just been a fluke but just wondering. Anyone else notice this?
BTW I do not have the TF Cube installed and only the default contacts manager.
Other programs installed besides what's in the O2 Premium ROM:
Opera Mobile
iSilo (document reader)
Oxford Spanish Dictionary
Conjegator prog
TomTom Nav 6
Used HTC Home page editor to change appearance and icons on home page but I removed the program after changes made
Hmm, haven't noticed this fenomenon.. gues i never had same rom for more that 3 days..
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Hmm, haven't noticed this fenomenon.. gues i never had same rom for more that 3 days..
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I'm thinking it has something to do with HTC Home. I know what you mean about being a ROM junkie. However, I'm trying to find one and perfect it. Currently, Meshle's ROM is the closest I've come.
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I'm thinking it has something to do with HTC Home. I know what you mean about being a ROM junkie. However, I'm trying to find one and perfect it. Currently, Meshle's ROM is the closest I've come.
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I have faced this in most of the ROM's I have flashed...be it B&B or Meschle's or Fracoons or even NikMel's....
I think its something inherrent in WM6....I can say that as I used it in NikMel's and that does'nt have HTC Home and the same problem was there too...
It is typically this issue that makes be jump from one ROM to another - but they all end up the same - no matter how fast you make it by removing items or cleaning the ROM....guess you have to live with it...
devdarshan said:
I have faced this in most of the ROM's I have flashed...be it B&B or Meschle's or Fracoons or even NikMel's....
I think its something inherrent in WM6....I can say that as I used it in NikMel's and that does'nt have HTC Home and the same problem was there too...
It is typically this issue that makes be jump from one ROM to another - but they all end up the same - no matter how fast you make it by removing items or cleaning the ROM....guess you have to live with it...
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OK. I know I'm not alone then.
Not, You aren't alone.
I have tried with all ROM posted here and have the same problem. I have made an own ROM based on original WWE and the same thing.
On WM5 this don't happens. It's not the HTC Home plugin, as my own rom is a clean ROM without anyting, and the memory goes down with the pass of the days. My friend with another Artemis P3300 have the same problems.
At the end, soft reset.
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Not, You aren't alone.
I have tried with all ROM posted here and have the same problem. I have made an own ROM based on original WWE and the same thing.
On WM5 this don't happens. It's not the HTC Home plugin, as my own rom is a clean ROM without anyting, and the memory goes down with the pass of the days. My friend with another Artemis P3300 have the same problems.
At the end, soft reset.
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Same here!
A daily soft reset restores the initial amount of "program memory". I think it's a WM6 issue too (memory leak somewhere?).
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On WM5 this did happen
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natxocc said:
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On WM5 this don't happens. It's not the HTC Home plugin, as my own rom is a clean ROM without anyting, and the memory goes down with the pass of the days. My friend with another Artemis P3300 have the same problems.
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On WM5 this did happen for some people (including me) and after months, this issue was finally solved.
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=545&device=htcp3300
I have just upgraded my ROM to WM6 vanilla 2 hours ago and I am a bit worry about this as I do not want to experience the issue in WM6 again. For now, it has not happened.
Is this thread related to this WM5 issue ?
If this is related, is this possible to have the WM5 fix ported to WM6 ?
Cheers
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Hi,
On WM5 this did happen for some people (including me) and after months, this issue was finally solved.
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=545&device=htcp3300
I have just upgraded my ROM to WM6 vanilla 2 hours ago and I am a bit worry about this as I do not want to experience the issue in WM6 again. For now, it has not happened.
Is this thread related to this WM5 issue ?
If this is related, is this possible to have the WM5 fix ported to WM6 ?
Cheers
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I have been using Meschle's Vanilla for last one week - no issues so far - even the leak is there but not that extensive...I start of with 26.75MB upon softreset and after d aday of using most of the apps incl. calls, tomtom, activesync - I have never really gone down below 20MB - but I do make it a point to use the Oxios closeApp and Hibernate as often as I can...
I reset once in maybe 3-4 days that too if I feel there is a drag...battery life is superb...no complaints whatsoever...
Have no reason to switch ROM's anymore untill I see something that really fancies me...or a RADIO/OS or build upgrade...
Hey all -
Great forum, and happy to be a member, here's my story, perhaps you can help.
I have just received a TYTN few weeks ago, and I am trying to make the best of it.
So far - I am frustrated, very frustrated!
Why? since I was a Palm OS user, which was so simple and fast, its nothing to compared to windows mobile.
I have tried over the past month several ROMs, per this forum's advice -
1) Black Satin Medium and Light
2) Schap's
3) Faria
4) Shadow 2.1
5) K's
and maybe a few more...the problem is that for each and every one of them I tackled, slowness and major memory problems - ones which forced mt to a soft reset to continue my work.
So what I am looking for - a ROM that will fit my machine's HW, not something too special or packed with apps, something simple that will have the basics, but will be fast and full of memory for programs, over 40 MB after cold boot.
any idea - which one for me?
BTW - up until now, Black Satin Medium was the best option.
I've got a couple of options for you.
#1, SuperDLite by Edhaas is very stable, good with program memory and has lots of storage memory. Has most of the things most people need, and very little fat.
#2, A newer ROM that I have been trying out lately is Shamanix's Ultimate V2 Final. It has a newer base than SuperDLite, and seems to be a very well-polished ROM. However, I have only tried it for about a week and can't speak of how it may fare in the long run.
Give those two a shot. I've a feeling one of them will be to you liking.
Thanks
I am wonderig - why do I nned big storage? if it was up to me I keep most of myh RAM for programs, I am installing all my apps on the storage card anyway...
so isn't what I need is something like 50 MB after cold boot?
haven't seen any ROM that provides this...
i use Pandora Naked 9b1 w/Big Storage - WM6.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365604
Memory Details:
Storage: 79 w/MMS, 82 w/o MMS
Program: 30
its fast and clean but u have to install progs when u need more dont forget to install .NET CF 3.5 if u wanna add extra progs
ofird said:
I am wonderig - why do I nned big storage? if it was up to me I keep most of myh RAM for programs, I am installing all my apps on the storage card anyway...
so isn't what I need is something like 50 MB after cold boot?
haven't seen any ROM that provides this...
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Think of big storage as having an 25 gallon gas tank on your car. Sure, you only drive your car to work and back everyday, so you don't need a very big tank. But who knows? You might want to travel cross country someday.
Anyway, just like there aren't many cars without big gas tanks these days, there aren't many ROMs without big (or super) storage these days.
ofird said:
I am wonderig - why do I nned big storage? if it was up to me I keep most of myh RAM for programs, I am installing all my apps on the storage card anyway...
so isn't what I need is something like 50 MB after cold boot?
haven't seen any ROM that provides this...
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With a Lite ROM you may just get a little over 30MB RAM after a cold boot. You will never see anything like 40MB and 50MB is purely in your fantasy.
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Hi All,
Thank you for the responsiveness, I will give those 3 ROMs a shot.
I simply cannot face the fact that from time to time I run iGo and get a message: "iGo needs at least 6MB to run"...
then I look at the memory usage and see that I have about 4 MB left - I am wondering how come? nothing is running, but there's is probably a Mem leak somewhere which I cannot for see.
I tried also to use Close Apps and Hibernate to free RAM, and I will use MemTools as well.
For now, it seems to be a "complicated and slow" OS for this machine, perhaps WM 5 (what originally came with it) is more appropriate for HTC TYTN (Hermes 200) hardware.
Wanna bet $$??????
ofird said:
Hi All,
Thank you for the responsiveness, I will give those 3 ROMs a shot.
I simply cannot face the fact that from time to time I run iGo and get a message: "iGo needs at least 6MB to run"...
then I look at the memory usage and see that I have about 4 MB left - I am wondering how come? nothing is running, but there's is probably a Mem leak somewhere which I cannot for see.
I tried also to use Close Apps and Hibernate to free RAM, and I will use MemTools as well.
For now, it seems to be a "complicated and slow" OS for this machine, perhaps WM 5 (what originally came with it) is more appropriate for HTC TYTN (Hermes 200) hardware.
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Oh yeah baby, I'd bet that's a mem leak. Hibernate will help, but you had best hunt that sucker down. Check your Today plugins first.
And I think what ultramag was trying to say is that WM6 runs very smoothly on Hermes hardware. I have flashed many WM6 ROMs and there have been some real stinkers - but none were slower than the stock WM5 that was on my device.
Of course, you aren't the first person I have heard of complain that WM6 is slower than his WM5 stock ROM. You are the second. If a fresh install of your WM5 is running smoother and faster than the ROMs I recommended above then I want to know where I can get that ROM.
I think you'll find IGO is the problem. I had it on wm5 and wm6. Its a memory hog. keep clearing all the destination and trip lists and you shouldn't have a problem. This is why I moved to Tomtom 6. Its so much more stable and I've NEVER had a memory problem again. Hope this helps....
Looking at SuperDLite I see a few versions, which one would you reocmmned for speed:
DopodLite1.0HermesWM6.zip
DopodLiteV1.1-6mbPP-WM6.zip
DopodLiteV1.1WM6.zip
DPLHermesWM6V1.2a4mbPP.zip
DPLHermesWm6V1.2a6mbPP.zip
SuperD-LiteWM6Hermes4mbPP.rar
SuperD-LiteWM6Hermes6mbPP.rar
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Re: speed
They're all quick. Theoretically the 1.2 and Super-D versions may be slightly faster because the windows directories have been minimized. Some people feel the 4mb page pool roms are slightly quicker than 6mb, but I prefer the 6mb (just "feels" better to me). Check the thread for more details.
Have fun!
I used the 1.2 version, its pretty quick, I am missing the "profiles" of V6.1 and the "today" screen features - is there a plgin to add them in?
In addiotn, touchFlo SL does not work on this ROM - any idea why?
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Not sure what the profiles thing is, or what today screen features you're talking about exactly...
If you post a link to Touchflo SL I'll check it out.
I was going to suggest you post these questions on the Super-D thread, but then I see you're the OP and it's your thread to do what you want with!
Best wishes,
Thanks Ed, I will follow you request, so far the ROM is fast and snappy. I have a feeling that WM 6 are doing better on my TYTN then WM 6.1.
Just to clarify - By "profiles" I mean the feature in the today screen which give you the option to "vibrate" the phone ringer by schedule, i.e - if I have a meeting then the phone will automatically switch to vibrate.
Touch FLO (not SL) - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338143
Hello, I was usgin joshoss V8B2 manilla2d and with some apps installed (via device update) I was left with like 10 megs free, so I tried the PDACornerPro.V27 - Build 20759 NonRBSN Josh-Abs (both greeeeeeeeat ROMS!!!!) and installed basically the same apps with the addition of HTC Home to have a nice look and feel (closer to manilla)... and ended up with around 12 megs free.... so I'm not sure which one is eating more resources.... any idea? manilla is still more unstable, right?
diego
Personally I do not feel that manila is for the hermes, until I get my touch3g I am going to run HTC home and spb mobile shell.
I am also quite interested in the study...
Currently using HTC HOme and happy with it, but if Manilla doesn't consume much more resources (In terms of RAM: for the storage we can all use a Micro SD anyway...), I would immediately switch !!!
Anybody can comment more?
I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
I am a streamline fanatic and like to keep my resources in check. Personally, on the Hermes I think Manila eats up to many resources.
Maybe in the earlier versions there might have been some memory leaks, but I noticed that in the end, I would end up with under 20megs of ram. And if you play with Manila that would go down. HTC Home uses about 4 megs.
Also when I had Manila on, I found that Opera would crash more often, mostly due to running out of memory while it would never do such thing while running HTC Home.
Also I noticed some sluggishness on the Hermes while using Manila, which also sometimes took a little longer --5-10 seconds-- to load, depending on the ROM.
So all in all, once HTC Home is loaded, it is always almost instantaneous, while Manila would again slowdown the phone in mid-operation. And by that I mean switching from the Today Screen to let's say settings or programs.
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I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
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I believe Josh's version is stable (from what I read)
Hi guys,
I tried like 4-5 Manilla 2D builds. They all had some bugs which weren't such a pain in the ass, but they were annoying. I was using PDA Corner V25 - great rom. Several days ago I installed PDAViet's Manilla2D v20 ROM and I must admit it is great. I didn't have any problems with manilla in terms of performance. The RAM left is 21MB on boot. The overall performance of the ROM is great. All apps work as fast as on the abusalza's rom. However I haven't tested the YouTube app, since I don't use it. The only problem is the lower in call volume compared to abusalza's rom. And if you use video call, I'm not sure if it's included.
I used multiple ROMs with Manilla 2D .. im now flashing backa again to a ROM without Manilla because i had too many problems with it.. i'm used to listen a lot of music... but with manilla on my Hermie the battery is empty so fast that sometimes i don't even have the chance to lsiten to the music ( i recharge it every night.. and i usually listen to music at about 15:00 pm.. by then it's already on low battery =s
on the other hand there are some stupid buggs in it.. like youtube doesnt work... sometimes the usb-connection doesnt work.. or what also bothers me is the volume control that is removed from audiomanager... there are also some other small problems which bother me but i'm not going to spend any more time on it right now
sorry for my bad english =)
ps. if somebody finds a tool for me to change the music player in manilla ( like from audiomanager to windows mediaplayer) pm me pls..
yes, in my case, I was using Josh's version and it was very stable and had I think all functionality working...the problem was after installing some apps, and after runining for a while opening and closing things I get an error of out of memory...
is there a way to make all "Device Update" to install on storage card?
will some more space on main memory help the RAM issue?
I've tried it out a bit. I'm using update 19 from here, and the Manilla 2D Customiser. On CRC's 13.0 naked non-big storage rom, I used UC to put on all the cab files in the right order, except for the Opera and Youtube apps. Using the customiser, I have removed the internet, mapping and settings tabs, and it runs pretty smoothly. Usually between 18-20MB RAM free. This does tend to go down a bit with usage, but I tend to soft-reset daily, and its not really a problem.
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
When I try to update library from storage card it will start to adding files then stop. Any suggestions. It worked fine with another rom I was using.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
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i really have the same problem asa u, and now i do not deside to flash any ROM that had installed the M2D, & I like Spb Shell most, cause it is nice and stable
I've seen a lot of those great roms that unfortunately are using up all but about 20MB of my Hermes phone's memory. But I've noticed that some of the apps that come with it could be installed on the memory card instead of main memory, freeing up a lot of memory.
An example is google maps, which is using up an extra 2MB of main memory. Why can't rom authors make a rom that then instructs you to install as many of the apps as possible manually, so that you can specify to have the app install on the memory card instead of main memory?
I'd like to uninstall google maps and other apps, then install them manually onto the memory card, but unfortunately since they're cooked into the rom, uninstalling them doesn't release any mem.
Any no, I already know about the 'lite' versions; I'm using a lite version, but even lite versions have apps that could be better installed on the memory card.
And no, I already understand that if I don't have the memory card installed, the phone might not operate properly. I know that. I don't plan to remove it (and never do).
I guess what I'm after is a Manilla build that has all the main functions available, but then gets you to install the rest on the memory card.
A cool way to do this would be to have a zip file that has all the apps installed on the memory card, and all you have to do is place them on your card before flashing the rom. The rom could already assume (be configured) to expect the files to be on the card already. Provided the mem card drive is running before any dependencies run, it would work.
It would be great to free up 5MB of main memory and still use Manilla and other memory hogs.
Intresting point, and i fully agree how useful this would be, i guess i always tried to get a lite version as well, and then manually install any apps after, just so i got as much memory left to run m2d itself. Look forward to hopefuly an answer on this one.
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Intresting point, and i fully agree how useful this would be, i guess i always tried to get a lite version as well, and then manually install any apps after, just so i got as much memory left to run m2d itself. Look forward to hopefuly an answer on this one.
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Ummm - you mean like a naked build? :|
You have to remember too, some apps install to main memory even though you choose the sd card. Some don't give you the option and some apps, no matter where they are eat up ram simply for being installed...
That would be great for testing roms.. For example, i installed custom rom for my Canon Ixus70 digital camera, and it works perfect.
There are loads of naked builds, but you have to remember that the SD card is slower and uses more power than the internal flash rom. (As far as I know).
Also, things like Manilla 2D only work with everything installed on-board.
The other problem is that TF2D Is slower when not cooked in, a lot so (Again, in my experience).
veyka said:
There are loads of naked builds, but you have to remember that the SD card is slower and uses more power than the internal flash rom. (As far as I know).
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You are absolutely right about this one )))
Ok, sure, there are trade-offs, but I'd happily trade speed for just being able to use a Manilla build without Opera killing everything and visaversa. Just as an option.
But I'll look for a naked Manilla build. Perhaps a cook might try exploring this different approach as an interesting offering. It might gain traction with those that want more memory and don't care if Opera runs slower.
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Ok, sure, there are trade-offs, but I'd happily trade speed for just being able to use a Manilla build without Opera killing everything and visaversa. Just as an option.
But I'll look for a naked Manilla build. Perhaps a cook might try exploring this different approach as an interesting offering. It might gain traction with those that want more memory and don't care if Opera runs slower.
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I think there are TF2D roms without Opera?
for example this rom by Josh is a lite tf2d one!
removed from rom:
MS Office 6.1
Flashlite
NetCFg config
PimBAckup
Pshutxp
GOOGLE MAPS -latest
Bright screen
eXtraDlls
OSX Blue keyboard skin to match theme!
Jade random access
HTC YouTube
Ringtone Plugin 3
Opal ShareDll
Raphal Dshow
WKtask Manager
Screen Rotate
FTP for bluetooth packages, Bluetooth Printing
RSS Hub
Opera 9.5
AudioManager, and Audio tab -removed
Internet Tab pointing to PIE
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Anyways, he cooks lots of custom flavours for people, if you chucked him a donation im sure he would cook you one
There are very few naked m2d roms thou, i guess thats the problem most as listed have alot of added extra like keyboards, opera and pim backup, i guess i personally like as said a naked version but only the needed m2d system items and then no extras so i can just the install what extra personally used to myself, again others could also do this.
I love the roms that are out there, but they all come with these extra and not a naked version that i can find.
M3NF said:
There are very few naked m2d roms thou, i guess thats the problem most as listed have alot of added extra like keyboards, opera and pim backup, i guess i personally like as said a naked version but only the needed m2d system items and then no extras so i can just the install what extra personally used to myself, again others could also do this.
I love the roms that are out there, but they all come with these extra and not a naked version that i can find.
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i hear you dude... i think i'm feeling the need to do a bare bones build up somtime soon.
Thats great to hear josh, i liked you builds so far, and there fast, but personally to much is added that i would not use. A fully working m2d, but take out all the extra apps apart from crc update. This would give a great speed but also allow everyone else to add easyly anything else.
I tested a few roms now, but finding one that has a real naked version is so hard. I know making roms must be hard, and take time. Chefs like you do it for the people, and there is no way to get a rom a personal way when so many people would like it different items on it, happy to please us all
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Ok, sure, there are trade-offs, but I'd happily trade speed for just being able to use a Manilla build without Opera killing everything and visaversa.
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Opera is killing everything not because of ROM but not enough RAM. I agree with you on both points and this is the reason I don't use any Manilla2D ROMS due to not enough ROM and RAM.
I need a ROM with as much RAM free as possible as IGO8 etc can use a lot of memory. Everything superfluous and surplus to the ROMS running should be left for CAB installs or left out of the startup. (I don't need start clean)
Josh's ROM in my sig is good but it could still do with getting in the gym and being a bit leaner. (Office can be installed as a CAB) and after going to 4MB pagepool from the default 6MB I had 28MB straight after install.