The camera quality is very low.
Anyone know software or procedure to improve quality ?
What do you mean, by very low? I find it quite okay for a 3.15 mp. It's not like the 5mp of the diamond 2, or those on nokia phones, but you don't buy a touch pro 2 for the camera, you know?
The only bad photos I've seen from the TP2 are when there's low lighting--the picture gets noise, distortions. Maybe if you posted one of yours and explained how you wanted it improved someone could give you some tips. Otherwise I'd recommend trying some shots in good lighting and see if you get better results.
I've never seen anyone demonstrate the 3.2mp camera of the TP2 has noticeably worse quality than the 5mp camera on D2 with side-by-sides taken under the same conditions. For the sake of people for whom picture quality is important, you'd think some blog would've given that a shot.
There is a good comparison with the HD here (you all would have seen this anyway).
I found if you change the Quality to Super Fine and increase the Sharpness to +5 under Image Properties you will squeeze a little more out of it.
Under poor lighting, you can try and tilt the device around and watch the screen while the lens gains and loses light exposure. Sometimes a small adjustment in camera angle makes all the difference.
Still auto focus and macro functionality is so much better than my Trinity.
It is what is is but I find it pretty good.
Check out the two images attached that I took on the weekend, for a phone cam it's not bad. Definitely better than the majority of 5MP phone cams out there (they pretty much all have the same rubbish sensor anyway.) These were taken with all the settings on standard (didn't know there was a super fine lol)
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I'm amazed at the amount of noise in those TP2 shots, even the outdoor ones. That's not something I've seen in other outdoor shots from the TP2.
There are a number of reasons why the quality is bad on the Pro 2 which I am trying to work out.
1) You cannot change the capture format from JPEG, this means that JPEG compression is noticeably visible. There must be a way to change this otherwise they would not show this option
2) Metering mode algorithms - They suck! simple as that. My Sony Ericsson W800i was better at taking photos than this.
3) Sharpness - you have to play around with it as I have a feeling you either need less of it or more.
4) Resolution - I learnt from my previous phone LG Viewty (5MP) that not always the largest resolution is the best to use on all occasions. So I advise testing out the same shots but in different resolutions, I stuck with 1MP.
I think the camera has potential but the algorithms on the cam driver doesn't perform well enough for such a high end device.
How to compensate for noisy and grainy photos:
Install Noiseware for Windows
Reduce your photo like you should be doing anyway to about 50% of it's original size.
What I do is import my photos into photoshop automatically when the device is connected and I use an action to reduce all the photos in batch processes, then if I want to I'll use Noiseware to reduce some of the noise out from the photo. (Free version you have to do that manually not in PS)
Windows Mobile has Windows Update so I am pretty sure that when Windows 6.5 is officially released there will be some form of a firmware upgrade or service pack that will improve the camera quality, if not then I'm sure the cam driver is accessible for us to edit. Most likely the algorithms would be in hexadecimal format.
I honestly dont think its bad at all, but then personally I didnt buy it with the camera as one of the reasons, but for facebook etc its pretty damn good for the MP.
It is afterall a business device not a SLR.
haha it's a camera phone. The photos are supposed to be shoddy.
Those shots were taken absolutely stock with no tweaking, they are noisy, because it is a phone with a camera unit smaller than a 10p piece and a lense which is minute. They are nowhere near as noisy as in that comparison review posted and so I question the authors ability.
If you buy a phone for a camera then I really do pity you as at best the results are always going to be shocking, i.e the best camera phone is pretty much on par with the average £50 digital camera.
Can we get more users posting some test images?
Im currently deciding on a new phone and this has been on my mind, those comparison shots are pretty shoddy >< dazkeirle loo fine though
Tip: remove back cover and make sure the lense is clean!
Could it be register related?
If so, i took a peek at my registery value for the camera in:
HKLM>Drivers>BuiltIn>Camera>
My sensor type says 4100. Maybe there a different types ?
Maybe it's nothing, maybe it is.
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Maybe this is an ignorant question. Maybe my search skills have failed me. When I had my Fuze I had the camera set up to take excellent pictures for being taken by a cell phone. ill include a couple pictures taken from both phones for comparison. what im looking for is some advice on settings to use to get better pictures. im running energy rom (built nov 27 09 on OS 5.2.21877) if it matters any. Thanks guys.
From my Fuze:
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The two photos were taken in very different light. To make a valid comparison, get two photos with similar lighting.
A photo taken in low light makes the photo sensor "work harder" - slower shutter speeds, boosting the signal gain, etc - that's what's going on in your TP2 photo. You can see it in the smeared headlights (indicates long exposure) and the signal noise (colored blotches) in the sky.
(This is true of even high-end digital SLR cameras. I'm a semi-pro photographer, and have been dealing with such issues for years now.)
Using a tool called Opanda IEXIF, I can see the EXIF data for the TP2 photo indicates 1/21 of a second exposure (pretty long) and sensitivity setting of ISO 600 (pretty high). There is no valid exposure data in the EXIF for the Fuze photo. Judging from the lighting conditions, I'd guess that it might have been around 1/500 of a second at ISO 200.
HTH,
Mike
Ok I guess what i need help with is some general explanation of the settings. obviously a evening picture and midafternoon day will always come out different even on the same camera. basically on the TP2 they are always grainy regardless of whether its set on basic, fine, ultra fine etc. what are the different ISO options? im assuming that would have to do with shutter speed? i have it set to auto on TP2 so maybe thats where I need to look into making adjustments?
Well ... ISO and shutter speed are separate settings that work together to determine the exposure.
ISO is a setting that deals with the photo sensor's (CCD's) sensitivity to light. Higher ISO numbers make the CCD more sensitive by amplifying the electronic signal from each pixel. Unfortunately, it also boosts the electronic noise, so you'll get more of those colored blotches (digital noise) as you increase ISO.
For the best quality (ie - lowest digital noise) photos, keep the ISO as low as possible. But also understand the trade-off (longer shutter speed).
Lower ISO sensitivity means longer shutter speeds to make up for a less sensitive CCD, and vice versa.
I don't see a way with the TP2 to set the shutter speed. So what's happening is that the camera circuitry is trying to find the best balance it can between low ISO and fast shutter speed. The only way you can really influence it is to take ISO off the Auto setting - your choices are 100, 200, 400, 800. (in photography terms, each doubling of ISO is equivalent to one f/stop of exposure sensitivity. ISO 800 is 3 f/stops more sensitive than ISO 100).
I almost never use my phone for photos, but I'd leave mine on Auto ISO, Quality Fine, Image Properties (Contrast/Saturation/Sharpness) to taste, Metering Mode: Center Area.
I'm not familiar with the image processing logic in the TP2, but I think the Superfine Quality might introduce "JPEG artifacts" into your photos - funny looking "squiggles" in a clear blue sky, for example. Try it and see. You can always dial it back to Fine.
I find that Auto White Balance pretty much sucks with cell phone cameras. If you can manually set your white balance to match the light you're shooting in (daylight, tungsten, flourescent, etc), your colors will be better.
ISO is sensor sensitivity, so the lower the ISO the better quality pic, but requires more light, higher ISOs will work better in low light, but more noise will ensue, such as in your 2nd pic
ok most pictures i take are either in sunlight or indoors. obviously i also like to get some sunsets if im in a good location. any suggestions? both of you have been helpful so far so THANKS!!
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ok most pictures i take are either in sunlight or indoors. obviously i also like to get some sunsets if im in a good location. any suggestions? both of you have been helpful so far so THANKS!!
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Sunsets. Hoo boy, now you're getting into dynamic range of the CCD. The difference between the lightest and darkest parts of the photo.
I'd go for lowest ISO possible (100), daylight white balance, try to get a good exposure for the sky and just understand that you won't get any detail in the foreground - just black silhouettes. Usually when you see a sunset photo with good exposure in the sky and the foreground, the photographer used Photoshop to combine two photos.
Try to brace the phone/camera as you shoot, to reduce camera shake with slow shutter speeds. Set the bottom edge of the phone on a flat surface or something like that.
yeah generally i have it braced on a flat surface that will keep it good and steady. given that it is in fact still a phone, im not looking for perfect pictures just something decent. I dont like keeping a high dollar digital camera with me at all times for those shots that just have to be captured due to crime in the area.again i thank you guys.
leave the settings alone if you dont understand them. just knock the plastic cover off the camera. take a pic with your battery cover on and off. you ll see a huge difference. that damn plastic gets dirty easily.
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leave the settings alone if you dont understand them. just knock the plastic cover off the camera. take a pic with your battery cover on and off. you ll see a huge difference. that damn plastic gets dirty easily.
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yeah except the thing is...im trying to LEARN the settings. huge difference between just taking pictures and wanting to learn what things mean and do.
Is it just a horrible camera or is it something that can be fixed through software? I have 7 friends with evo's we will all put up $50/ea or so some im sure will pay more to the developers paypal account if we can get better picture quality on the front and back cameras.... Please we are begging ANYONE who can do it i will pay the bounty to.
You would probably have better luck spending that $50 on photography lessons or buying some decent post-processing software. Firmware isn't going to make you or your friends any better photgraphers.
I used my Evo while on vacation, and a good quality point and shoot. Both cameras took equally great pictures. Try to limit the use of the zoom, as it doesn't turn out well.
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as a former pro photographer. (not tooting my horn, just explaining)
QUALITY comes from both the photographer and the camera. More megapixels doesnt mean better QUALITY. it means larger IMAGE. you want better QUALITY get a larger SENSOR, notice the words in caps here people.
Some facts about the camera, from what i can tell by use, not spec sheets, if someone wants to provide one that'd be great, i didnt find one, but i didnt look too hard.
Its a telezoom lens, meaning it has focal length (mm #) greater (AFAICT) than that of the human eye. minimum focus distance is about 6-8" and its got a digital zoom (bleh).
Digital zoom for those that dont know will crop out part of the photo and enlarge the rest, digitally. Which is fine up to a point, after this point you end up with pixelation and bleh images.
As for taking better pictures, go read some rules on composition (the rule of thirds) and if its your cup of tea color scheme and color interaction.
Ive taken some nice photos with this camera. Just a nice rooftop with some desaturation. BAM
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i just dont see why we would have to photoshop our pictures to make them look better the brights are to bright the darks are to dark its just foolishness the only downside i have with this phone is the camera/picture quality
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i just dont see why we would have to photoshop our pictures to make them look better the brights are to bright the darks are to dark its just foolishness the only downside i have with this phone is the camera/picture quality
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who said anything about photoshop. that was in camera. if the highs/lows are too much, check your settings.
If you want i have plenty of other samples. Go back, read my previous reply, you might learn something.
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who said anything about photoshop. that was in camera. if the highs/lows are too much, check your settings.
If you want i have plenty of other samples. Go back, read my previous reply, you might learn something.
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Is there a good online resource for learning to set white balance adjustments and those sort of things on a camera? I've always had a fascination with photography, but I admit I use P&S and automatic settings because I have no idea what those settings do...
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Is there a good online resource for learning to set white balance adjustments and those sort of things on a camera? I've always had a fascination with photography, but I admit I use P&S and automatic settings because I have no idea what those settings do...
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the best resource to learn how to change those settings honestly is your camera manual. the next best resource to learn how they work, is to play with them.
a good book will teach you the basics. The Photographers handbook 3rd Edition is the book i used and it will teach you a ton about manual settings and basic SLR/dSLR usage. not to mention film development and i think printing technique.
I leave the iso on 100 all the time (less grain), and toggle back and forth on WB, daytime for outside pics and auto for everything else.
i have no problem with the camera i toy with the settings and take some really good photos with my camera !
not sure what people are *****ing about
Also maybe a higher class memory card
I'll have to agree with the OP. The camera on the Evo is really a let down. They got us excited with the 8 megapixel hype but it really was a let down. Same thing with the camera on the Hero. Honestly I think my Pre takes clearer pictures. It's not even in the same class as the iPhone 4 and this is coming from somebody who has bashed it since day one, but after looking at some pics and videos taken from my friend's iPhone I was literally blown away. Couldn't believe they came from a phone and not a expensive digital camera. HTC dropped the ball in that department.
Iphone has a better screen, have y'all tried cm roms, his camera app is way better than sense
im on cm6 rc2 still grainy no matter what...
My mistake his video camera app is better, there's people working on it I'm sure, I don't think its too bad myself
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im on cm6 rc2 still grainy no matter what...
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No way, lower your ISO to 100 (top config button, scroll down). Clean is day.
The camera is that bad? Really?
Here's a pic I took at Niagara Falls:
http://tinypic.com/m/be99qq/3
I'm FAR from a photographer, but some of the pics I get are at least as good as an entry level point and shoot - which is more than I expected out of it.
Some tips I have:
-make sure you are holding the phone still so the autofocus can adjust properly.
-after you hit the shutter button, make sure you hold still until it's really done taking the picture otherwise you may blur the image
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No way, lower your ISO to 100 (top config button, scroll down). Clean is day.
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Where do you see ISO?
my top config button displays Focus Mode and Exposure.
I'm also on CM6 nightlies
Thanks
That menu scrolls down.
Sent from my HTC Supersonic (EVO) using XDA App
Scroll down inside that setting box, there are tons of settings inside that top box...
I am thinking of getting a Defy as a free upgrade to my Hero. Reviews of camera seem mixed but general impression is that it's not brilliant, especially in low light. Interested to hear the views of people here.
You can compare the photos from defy with various other phones, including N8, iPhone4 on gsmarena site. Just click on some of the latest reviews, doesnt matter which phone, and go to the camera section of the review. There is a photo compare tool.
Thanks. That was helpful but I am more interested in the low light performance.
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Thanks. That was helpful but I am more interested in the low light performance.
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I was pleasantly suprised with the quality of the flash. up to a metre or 2 it is very effective and doesn't wash out the photo like some others. All in all I am pleases with the camera - thats just my opinion though.
Thanks. I am almost certainly going to get one. The nagging doubt in the back of my mind is the speaker issue. Difficult to know how much of a problem it really is. People who don't have the issue (obviously) don't post to forums
None of those Cell Cameras are that cool in low light compared to a DSLR. What would really help is a camera app that writes out a dng file so that one can properly posprocess this in say Lightroom/Photoshop/Noiseware.
Just for completeness shake, the camera module seems to be a MT9PT012 ...
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I was pleasantly suprised with the quality of the flash. up to a metre or 2 it is very effective and doesn't wash out the photo like some others. All in all I am pleases with the camera - thats just my opinion though.
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IMHO - flash and camera is pretty awful. Here's a shot with flash, I even gave it +20 brightness in Gimp:
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Then again, I might be spoiled by these babies:
Ironically - That was shot with my HTC Desire
I guess the Defy's camera is just below cell-phone average. It should't be your only camera, but for "Hey this looks fun!" shots it'll do fine.
I really like my defy but, honestly, the camera is not the best part.
Also the display looks not so brilliant as the desire's one.
I'm not saying they're bad, just they're not wonderful, but considering defy's price it's absolutely fair.
Well, one thing none of the others can do is H2Oing it. I just filmed in water, definitely better results than any other phone attempting the same
I'm using the Camera360 app. There is a filter called "Effect enhancement". If i you this one, the pictures look better - the ones taken in short range. Ok, they do look a bit "artifical", but for me its ok. There is a "free" version of that app for trying out...
The Defy is not the first Android i bought, but it will be the first Android, which will not be sold again. I really like this phone...
Maybe there will be some kind of camera-optimization. Until then, i will take my digi-cam for "more important" pictures to make.
Best regards
Stefan
Here is sample picture, resized, with flash and taken with camera360 app.
This was taken with a Galaxy S
This was taken with the Defy, different day so not a direct comparison. The weather was worse and it was cloudy. Hope this give you an idea of comparison though.
Defy on macro with flash
Defy with macro no flash. Shows good detail.
thanks
Photos aren't that great but they're not awful. I do find that the built in editing (kodak perfect touch) does an excellent job though. The macro mode and color reproduction aren't as good as my vibrant. But overall im satisfied.
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Photos aren't that great but they're not awful. I do find that the built in editing (kodak perfect touch) does an excellent job though. The macro mode and color reproduction aren't as good as my vibrant. But overall im satisfied.
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yeah I agree that kodak perfect touch enhancement works well
What about Videos in 720p ?
Anyone succeed to take videos in 720p with Froyo 2.2 ?
have you tryed the kodak perfect touch option?? It's excelent! for night pics, and remember to use the "night" mode in dark places
imo, It's good++
I took pictures with it for the first time today. I did not like the quality of the pictures. My first impressions:
Pros: The LED flash is bright and puts my old BB Curve to shame. You could use it to blind a night time attacker if you could instantly turn it on with an external button.
The interface to take pictures is pretty good and easy to use.
Cons:
-Colors are muddy and off color even when shot outdoors.
-Colors with the flash are not automatically corrected and show up with the blue/white color cast of the LED flash.
-Color space compression is very noticable with banding visible under various conditions.
-Slow to take a picture because it does not focus until you click the onscreen button to take the photo.
I thought video was better on balance than the camera but it is rather poor in low light (as expected). I hope that I will learn to get better results with it after more testing but I'm glad it's not a primary reason for me to own the Defy.
-felipe
What about 720p videos?
Could someone try it?with froyo??
I found the camera pretty good in comparaison of my old phone.
But there's a hudge miss on the native camera app: you cannot change the JPG compression and by default it's very very compressed! Some have their 5Mpxl pictures that takes around 300kB (it should be 1.5MB at least!).
Maybe if someone know a way to change this settings it would be nice for improving the quality of the final picture
I really like the Vignette app for the camera, it's old school styles go rather well with the "performance" of the camear
HI All
I want to ask something I have lg g3 now I love taking photography photos but I want from all of you to help me
Im between 2 choice : 1- buying LG G4
2- Buying canon 600D camera
please help me !
is LG G4 camera have limited specs to take different type of photography photo because as every one know that DSLR Cameras can change lens as you want so please every body use lg g4 manual camera mode help me
It would depend on what you are intentions are.
If I was going somewhere where I knew I wanted to take photographs, I'd bring my DSLR, no questions asked. Physical size of sensor, quality of sensor, quality of lenses, size of lenses are all superior to an DSLR. Of course the LG G4 is also much cheaper, for the price of an LG G4 I couldn't even buy one of the lenses I own.
I see the camera of the LG G4 more as something oh crap I want to capture this moment now. But even using RAW the image quality is no where near as good as my DSLR.
The G4's camera is very good for a phone camera. But it is not as good as a DSLR, or even a nice point-and-shoot camera, in terms of flexibility.
Two simple examples of why:
- No optical zoom.
- It's a fixed-aperture lens.
If you cannot get closer to your subject, too bad, without having a zoom lens.
And if you want to change your depth-of-field, or do something like use a longer exposure time in bright lighting, you can't, due to the fixed-aperture of the lens.
Adjusting your shutter speed and aperture are two fundamentals of setting your exposure, but phone cameras only allow control over shutter speed. And the ISO range only goes so far high or low, then you reach the limit of your shutter speed adjustment.
The G4's manual mode offers more control than most phones, which is great. But if you want to set either the ISO or the shutter speed, then you have to take complete control over the exposure. You cannot select a shutter speed, and then have the phone automatically set an appropriate ISO value. You need to select both values yourself.
If you want to learn about photography, and have a more-versatile camera, I would go with the DSLR, or some standalone camera. If you just want a better camera in your pocket, vs the G3, yes, the G4 would do that. But as much as I like my G4's camera, my Nikon P7700 lets me do much more, and a DSLR would be even better. The G4 is not a substitute for a "real" camera, IMO.
You already got a g3? For gods sake, buy the dslr!
If your G3 is working fine and you know you're going out to take photos buy the DSLR without a doubt.
The G4 takes spectacular photos for a phone, but it's just a phone. You get the flexibility of having a smartphone with an excellent camera. If you post-process you can shoot and save in RAW as well.
I'm not a photographer so the G4 is more than I expected. There's a thread with sample pictures we have all taken and shared if you want to check that thread out and get an idea of what kind of quality you'll be getting by upgrading to the G4.
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here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/lg-g4-picture-samples-t3099772
I posted some pictures of our cat. Couldn't be happier.
If your main reason is photography, buy a DLSR. The photo quality of the G4 is the best for smartphone's at the moment of writing but DLSR camera's are far better. Like @RedOCtobyr mentioned the LG G4 has no optical zoom and has a fixed aperture. This won't allow you to change the size of the diafragma nor zooming in on objects (digital zoom is - and most likely will always be - crappy). If your main reason is taking pictures just whenever you want to you should probably choose for the G4 though because most likely you will always have your mobile phone in your pocket opposed to an DLSR which requires an additional bag.
Personally I would choose the DLSR in both cases though (I had a LG G3 before my G4 but I lost it so I had to get a new one) because the G3 also can take some nice pictures which are more than average.
Sorry if my English isn't correct, I am from the Netherlands
Get the G4 and carry one of these in your back pocket.
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I was thinking to buy HTC 10 very soon, and i have watched many reviews about this phone and they all just the same. The main flaws of HTC 10 is the camera. And i just know that there's several updates from HTC regarding it HTC 10 and camera.
So i things i want to ask is, considering its update, is there any improvements on the camera? and is it still worth to buy?
Thanks!
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I was thinking to buy HTC 10 very soon, and i have watched many reviews about this phone and they all just the same. The main flaws of HTC 10 is the camera. And i just know that there's several updates from HTC regarding it HTC 10 and camera.
So i things i want to ask is, considering its update, is there any improvements on the camera? and is it still worth to buy?
Thanks!
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The camera isn't bad at all and, despite what some might say, it's a lot better than that on the 5X and 6P (I own the 5X). I've found updates to address a lot of my initial complaints with the camera, focusing is a little faster and more reliable now, the camera doesn't prompt you to uncover the AF laser and the app now has more features. The app is kinda slow to launch for some reason, it's not slow by any means, but does hesitate for about 2S which most other phones don't. For comparison, I'll talk about the S7 which is one of the best this year. While the camera isn't as good as the S7 overall, I would say that still image quality is similar, they just process differently. In fact, there are various things the 10 excels at, such as detail retention, which is fantastic for a smartphone, think photos of text and textures, especially in low-light, the 10 is actually better than the S7.
That being said, the S7 both focusses and takes images quicker (though is sometimes slightly noisier). The 10 does have a slightly warmer white balance whereas the S7 looks cleaner but on the cooler side. So the 10 actually looks better for portraits but the S7 is better for indoor shots where the artificial lighting tends to make things look warmer already, the 10 can look almost dirty. I found the latest version of the HTC camera app has alleviated the warm tone slightly and it no longer really bothers me. Detail and processing are all very good and mature, the sensor doesn't support phase detect AF but uses a combination of contrast and laser which works reliably in all lighting situations, phase detect does tend to become unreliable in low light though the 10 isn't actually the greatest low light focusser. Video quality is mediocre on the 10, at least in my experiences, and if you want to take great video, you should probably look into something else. Video is choppy and exposure shifts are pretty chunky when moving from bright to dark areas or vice versa. Outdoors, the phone is better, but the optical stabilisation is weak even if it isn't affected by the jello effect like the S7. Focusing and colour accuracy in video is quite good however.
Since I never use the phone for video it doesn't really bother me and I have a steady hand for stills. The results are mostly great, I'm far less compelled to bring my Sony A6000 along; I always used to feel stranded with my M8 when trying to take good images. The M8 simply didn't have the resolution and dynamic range I needed, the 10 does (but I still use my camera for important events of course). After playing around with some of my friends and relative's phones ('m the designated group photographer), the 10 is definitely one of the better cameras, you just need to keep it still since shutter speeds drop quite low.
And what about the lens flare like on this one? Are experiencing it a lot?
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isssaputra said:
And what about the lens flare like on this one? Are experiencing it a lot?
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It's pretty normal when the lens is clean, I don't have oily hand so my lens is usually fine, but I do find that the lens does mark up easier than most resulting in flare. That being said, I don't feel bad about rubbing/cleaning the lens since it's sapphire, mine hasn't scratched at all, even after placing the phone on the ground and table, etc. Here's a photo I took a few nights ago, it was completely dark, around 10pm the lighting was facing towards the camera. As you can see flaring was almost non-existent.
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Is that with android N? Because on MM I get quite a bit of lens flare even after I've wiped the lens.