I was thinking to buy HTC 10 very soon, and i have watched many reviews about this phone and they all just the same. The main flaws of HTC 10 is the camera. And i just know that there's several updates from HTC regarding it HTC 10 and camera.
So i things i want to ask is, considering its update, is there any improvements on the camera? and is it still worth to buy?
Thanks!
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I was thinking to buy HTC 10 very soon, and i have watched many reviews about this phone and they all just the same. The main flaws of HTC 10 is the camera. And i just know that there's several updates from HTC regarding it HTC 10 and camera.
So i things i want to ask is, considering its update, is there any improvements on the camera? and is it still worth to buy?
Thanks!
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The camera isn't bad at all and, despite what some might say, it's a lot better than that on the 5X and 6P (I own the 5X). I've found updates to address a lot of my initial complaints with the camera, focusing is a little faster and more reliable now, the camera doesn't prompt you to uncover the AF laser and the app now has more features. The app is kinda slow to launch for some reason, it's not slow by any means, but does hesitate for about 2S which most other phones don't. For comparison, I'll talk about the S7 which is one of the best this year. While the camera isn't as good as the S7 overall, I would say that still image quality is similar, they just process differently. In fact, there are various things the 10 excels at, such as detail retention, which is fantastic for a smartphone, think photos of text and textures, especially in low-light, the 10 is actually better than the S7.
That being said, the S7 both focusses and takes images quicker (though is sometimes slightly noisier). The 10 does have a slightly warmer white balance whereas the S7 looks cleaner but on the cooler side. So the 10 actually looks better for portraits but the S7 is better for indoor shots where the artificial lighting tends to make things look warmer already, the 10 can look almost dirty. I found the latest version of the HTC camera app has alleviated the warm tone slightly and it no longer really bothers me. Detail and processing are all very good and mature, the sensor doesn't support phase detect AF but uses a combination of contrast and laser which works reliably in all lighting situations, phase detect does tend to become unreliable in low light though the 10 isn't actually the greatest low light focusser. Video quality is mediocre on the 10, at least in my experiences, and if you want to take great video, you should probably look into something else. Video is choppy and exposure shifts are pretty chunky when moving from bright to dark areas or vice versa. Outdoors, the phone is better, but the optical stabilisation is weak even if it isn't affected by the jello effect like the S7. Focusing and colour accuracy in video is quite good however.
Since I never use the phone for video it doesn't really bother me and I have a steady hand for stills. The results are mostly great, I'm far less compelled to bring my Sony A6000 along; I always used to feel stranded with my M8 when trying to take good images. The M8 simply didn't have the resolution and dynamic range I needed, the 10 does (but I still use my camera for important events of course). After playing around with some of my friends and relative's phones ('m the designated group photographer), the 10 is definitely one of the better cameras, you just need to keep it still since shutter speeds drop quite low.
And what about the lens flare like on this one? Are experiencing it a lot?
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And what about the lens flare like on this one? Are experiencing it a lot?
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It's pretty normal when the lens is clean, I don't have oily hand so my lens is usually fine, but I do find that the lens does mark up easier than most resulting in flare. That being said, I don't feel bad about rubbing/cleaning the lens since it's sapphire, mine hasn't scratched at all, even after placing the phone on the ground and table, etc. Here's a photo I took a few nights ago, it was completely dark, around 10pm the lighting was facing towards the camera. As you can see flaring was almost non-existent.
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Is that with android N? Because on MM I get quite a bit of lens flare even after I've wiped the lens.
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The camera quality is very low.
Anyone know software or procedure to improve quality ?
What do you mean, by very low? I find it quite okay for a 3.15 mp. It's not like the 5mp of the diamond 2, or those on nokia phones, but you don't buy a touch pro 2 for the camera, you know?
The only bad photos I've seen from the TP2 are when there's low lighting--the picture gets noise, distortions. Maybe if you posted one of yours and explained how you wanted it improved someone could give you some tips. Otherwise I'd recommend trying some shots in good lighting and see if you get better results.
I've never seen anyone demonstrate the 3.2mp camera of the TP2 has noticeably worse quality than the 5mp camera on D2 with side-by-sides taken under the same conditions. For the sake of people for whom picture quality is important, you'd think some blog would've given that a shot.
There is a good comparison with the HD here (you all would have seen this anyway).
I found if you change the Quality to Super Fine and increase the Sharpness to +5 under Image Properties you will squeeze a little more out of it.
Under poor lighting, you can try and tilt the device around and watch the screen while the lens gains and loses light exposure. Sometimes a small adjustment in camera angle makes all the difference.
Still auto focus and macro functionality is so much better than my Trinity.
It is what is is but I find it pretty good.
Check out the two images attached that I took on the weekend, for a phone cam it's not bad. Definitely better than the majority of 5MP phone cams out there (they pretty much all have the same rubbish sensor anyway.) These were taken with all the settings on standard (didn't know there was a super fine lol)
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There is a good comparison with the HD here (you all would have seen this anyway).
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I'm amazed at the amount of noise in those TP2 shots, even the outdoor ones. That's not something I've seen in other outdoor shots from the TP2.
There are a number of reasons why the quality is bad on the Pro 2 which I am trying to work out.
1) You cannot change the capture format from JPEG, this means that JPEG compression is noticeably visible. There must be a way to change this otherwise they would not show this option
2) Metering mode algorithms - They suck! simple as that. My Sony Ericsson W800i was better at taking photos than this.
3) Sharpness - you have to play around with it as I have a feeling you either need less of it or more.
4) Resolution - I learnt from my previous phone LG Viewty (5MP) that not always the largest resolution is the best to use on all occasions. So I advise testing out the same shots but in different resolutions, I stuck with 1MP.
I think the camera has potential but the algorithms on the cam driver doesn't perform well enough for such a high end device.
How to compensate for noisy and grainy photos:
Install Noiseware for Windows
Reduce your photo like you should be doing anyway to about 50% of it's original size.
What I do is import my photos into photoshop automatically when the device is connected and I use an action to reduce all the photos in batch processes, then if I want to I'll use Noiseware to reduce some of the noise out from the photo. (Free version you have to do that manually not in PS)
Windows Mobile has Windows Update so I am pretty sure that when Windows 6.5 is officially released there will be some form of a firmware upgrade or service pack that will improve the camera quality, if not then I'm sure the cam driver is accessible for us to edit. Most likely the algorithms would be in hexadecimal format.
I honestly dont think its bad at all, but then personally I didnt buy it with the camera as one of the reasons, but for facebook etc its pretty damn good for the MP.
It is afterall a business device not a SLR.
haha it's a camera phone. The photos are supposed to be shoddy.
Those shots were taken absolutely stock with no tweaking, they are noisy, because it is a phone with a camera unit smaller than a 10p piece and a lense which is minute. They are nowhere near as noisy as in that comparison review posted and so I question the authors ability.
If you buy a phone for a camera then I really do pity you as at best the results are always going to be shocking, i.e the best camera phone is pretty much on par with the average £50 digital camera.
Can we get more users posting some test images?
Im currently deciding on a new phone and this has been on my mind, those comparison shots are pretty shoddy >< dazkeirle loo fine though
Tip: remove back cover and make sure the lense is clean!
Could it be register related?
If so, i took a peek at my registery value for the camera in:
HKLM>Drivers>BuiltIn>Camera>
My sensor type says 4100. Maybe there a different types ?
Maybe it's nothing, maybe it is.
I am thinking of getting a Defy as a free upgrade to my Hero. Reviews of camera seem mixed but general impression is that it's not brilliant, especially in low light. Interested to hear the views of people here.
You can compare the photos from defy with various other phones, including N8, iPhone4 on gsmarena site. Just click on some of the latest reviews, doesnt matter which phone, and go to the camera section of the review. There is a photo compare tool.
Thanks. That was helpful but I am more interested in the low light performance.
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Thanks. That was helpful but I am more interested in the low light performance.
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I was pleasantly suprised with the quality of the flash. up to a metre or 2 it is very effective and doesn't wash out the photo like some others. All in all I am pleases with the camera - thats just my opinion though.
Thanks. I am almost certainly going to get one. The nagging doubt in the back of my mind is the speaker issue. Difficult to know how much of a problem it really is. People who don't have the issue (obviously) don't post to forums
None of those Cell Cameras are that cool in low light compared to a DSLR. What would really help is a camera app that writes out a dng file so that one can properly posprocess this in say Lightroom/Photoshop/Noiseware.
Just for completeness shake, the camera module seems to be a MT9PT012 ...
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I was pleasantly suprised with the quality of the flash. up to a metre or 2 it is very effective and doesn't wash out the photo like some others. All in all I am pleases with the camera - thats just my opinion though.
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IMHO - flash and camera is pretty awful. Here's a shot with flash, I even gave it +20 brightness in Gimp:
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Then again, I might be spoiled by these babies:
Ironically - That was shot with my HTC Desire
I guess the Defy's camera is just below cell-phone average. It should't be your only camera, but for "Hey this looks fun!" shots it'll do fine.
I really like my defy but, honestly, the camera is not the best part.
Also the display looks not so brilliant as the desire's one.
I'm not saying they're bad, just they're not wonderful, but considering defy's price it's absolutely fair.
Well, one thing none of the others can do is H2Oing it. I just filmed in water, definitely better results than any other phone attempting the same
I'm using the Camera360 app. There is a filter called "Effect enhancement". If i you this one, the pictures look better - the ones taken in short range. Ok, they do look a bit "artifical", but for me its ok. There is a "free" version of that app for trying out...
The Defy is not the first Android i bought, but it will be the first Android, which will not be sold again. I really like this phone...
Maybe there will be some kind of camera-optimization. Until then, i will take my digi-cam for "more important" pictures to make.
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Stefan
Here is sample picture, resized, with flash and taken with camera360 app.
This was taken with a Galaxy S
This was taken with the Defy, different day so not a direct comparison. The weather was worse and it was cloudy. Hope this give you an idea of comparison though.
Defy on macro with flash
Defy with macro no flash. Shows good detail.
thanks
Photos aren't that great but they're not awful. I do find that the built in editing (kodak perfect touch) does an excellent job though. The macro mode and color reproduction aren't as good as my vibrant. But overall im satisfied.
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Photos aren't that great but they're not awful. I do find that the built in editing (kodak perfect touch) does an excellent job though. The macro mode and color reproduction aren't as good as my vibrant. But overall im satisfied.
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yeah I agree that kodak perfect touch enhancement works well
What about Videos in 720p ?
Anyone succeed to take videos in 720p with Froyo 2.2 ?
have you tryed the kodak perfect touch option?? It's excelent! for night pics, and remember to use the "night" mode in dark places
imo, It's good++
I took pictures with it for the first time today. I did not like the quality of the pictures. My first impressions:
Pros: The LED flash is bright and puts my old BB Curve to shame. You could use it to blind a night time attacker if you could instantly turn it on with an external button.
The interface to take pictures is pretty good and easy to use.
Cons:
-Colors are muddy and off color even when shot outdoors.
-Colors with the flash are not automatically corrected and show up with the blue/white color cast of the LED flash.
-Color space compression is very noticable with banding visible under various conditions.
-Slow to take a picture because it does not focus until you click the onscreen button to take the photo.
I thought video was better on balance than the camera but it is rather poor in low light (as expected). I hope that I will learn to get better results with it after more testing but I'm glad it's not a primary reason for me to own the Defy.
-felipe
What about 720p videos?
Could someone try it?with froyo??
I found the camera pretty good in comparaison of my old phone.
But there's a hudge miss on the native camera app: you cannot change the JPG compression and by default it's very very compressed! Some have their 5Mpxl pictures that takes around 300kB (it should be 1.5MB at least!).
Maybe if someone know a way to change this settings it would be nice for improving the quality of the final picture
I really like the Vignette app for the camera, it's old school styles go rather well with the "performance" of the camear
You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Samsung Galaxy S7 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
The front facing camera is permanently fixated on things in the background while things (faces) at selfie distances are out of focus. This defeats the purpose of the front facing camera. It doesn't seem to adjust its focus ever...
However, I do like the raise your hand or say cheese to take a picture function.
Noticed the same thing, pictures on face are a blurry mess compared to my s6.
Yep noticed too, and I even made a comparison with the S6, which resulted sharper..
I have an S7 and my wife has the S7 edge and the front camera is the best we ever had.
my sister was complaining the same thing but it thought she was being nit picky as she just switched form Apple but i guess it might be a known issue then.
Front camera is totaly out of focus! Has anyone else noticed that? A flagship phone shall never have such low level defect!
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Front camera is totaly out of focus! Has anyone else noticed that? A flagship phone shall never have such low level defect!
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Welcome to the party, check out the S7 camera thread and you will see that many have this issue.
The front camera is utilising the center focus mode. Mine is working great. Sharps selfies and lots of details. Look at the eyes and the baby's shirt that is in focus. Tey are sharp and clear.
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Not impressed, blurry snapshots.
took this one today with my front camera I'm very satisfied with its quality
extremely disappointed with the front facing camera. very blurry selfies.
blurry and feels like the beauty filter is on eventhough its off.
my s6 was way more realistic.
Camera too wide inducing unwanted distortion and even with all the beauty feature turned off, image still look very paint like.
I'm interested by this topic. Any sample? The picture above is not really sharp. I hesitate with the One Plus 3.
Thanks
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I have an S7 and my wife has the S7 edge and the front camera is the best we ever had.
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you havent tried other phones have you
I've created a thread on Samsung forum regarding this. Front camera has fixed focus to infinity instead of 40-50cm and software libs apply a crazy blur on faces and skin tones especially when iso goes up. It's incredible, I use screenshot of viewfinder to have a better picture than the shooted one!
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I've created a thread on Samsung forum regarding this. Front camera has fixed focus to infinity instead of 40-50cm and software libs apply a crazy blur on faces and skin tones especially when iso goes up. It's incredible, I use screenshot of viewfinder to have a better picture than the shooted one!
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Link please? :fingers-crossed:
a lot of distorsions. I hate wide angle cameras.
S7 offer poor unrealistic selfie ..Best selfie which i had was with Htc one m8 and M9
Hello folks,
I'm pretty unimpressed with the cameras on the Mi 9 SE.
Landscape pictures look great but as soon as I make close up pictures or zoom in the pictures look washed out. The entire Miui camera app is just unusable and all pictures look bad.
The GCam port is way better but software can't fix everything.
As you can see in the pictures below, it looks washed out and the color if the creature aren't powerful. And I have that with nearly every picture I take.
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AI is off and HDR is on but it isn't sharp and looks blurry kinda like a beauty filter but the beauty filter is also disabled.
And this picture is taken with the GCam port.
Any tips why some picture look washed out?
Honestly Mi 9 SE takes more sharper photos compare to some flagship phones. Clean your camera lens before taking pictures because it becomes dirty easily. Keep camera frame at 4:3. Play with camera settings like saturation and contrast. I keep everything stock and results are amazing even close up shots. In this price range it is the best phone for its camera performance, just look at camera comparisons at youtube.
Terrible camera
I see its an old post but i am surprised nobody else responded with recognision. A month ago i bought an Mi9SE for its camera and i have been nothing but dissapointed. Its blurry, that just wraps it all up. My old xperia Z5 compact takes better pictures.
I havent taken one picture on which i could seperate the wimpers of someones eyes no matter what i do. I had the same idea, as if there is a hidden beautifier that just disrupts it all even when you turn the actual beautifier off.
Did you got any further with this?
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I see its an old post but i am surprised nobody else responded with recognision. A month ago i bought an Mi9SE for its camera and i have been nothing but dissapointed. Its blurry, that just wraps it all up. My old xperia Z5 compact takes better pictures.
I havent taken one picture on which i could seperate the wimpers of someones eyes no matter what i do. I had the same idea, as if there is a hidden beautifier that just disrupts it all even when you turn the actual beautifier off.
Did you got any further with this?
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Hey, not really. Apparently it's not only on my device. I returned my phone. It's just super disappointing.
Mandarijntjes said:
I see its an old post but i am surprised nobody else responded with recognision. A month ago i bought an Mi9SE for its camera and i have been nothing but dissapointed. Its blurry, that just wraps it all up. My old xperia Z5 compact takes better pictures.
I havent taken one picture on which i could seperate the wimpers of someones eyes no matter what i do. I had the same idea, as if there is a hidden beautifier that just disrupts it all even when you turn the actual beautifier off.
Did you got any further with this?
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Sorry for these words but "Blind" peope will suck always. But I help you. Gcam 7.2 for mi9se got updates nowdays. My s8's camera is killed for example
And, I am super happy with this phone, with kowalski's custom kernel and Bliss rom, + my optimizations, the phone has good vattery and super fluid. I use 78HZ display. After I unlocked tge phone, feels like I have a totally different phone
I reached 7h screen on time on 4G when I used 60hz display.
(The dog taken with 2x digital zoom)
@mark199850 if you still have the phone write me a message on Telegram
There has been some talk about Sammi versus Pixels on XDA. If you care for camera performance, this review might aid your decision.
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Shadow detail & color contrast much better on the P6P
On first glance the P6P looks best, but after a while too processed and too heavy on the HDR. The natural photographic nature has been replaced with a video game like processing look more and more as time goes by on Pixel.
Looking back at my pixel 2 photos, they are more natural looking than the p6 ones now.
All you need to do is check out edited RAW files and what the p6 camera is capable of is drowned in a over processing.
My kid has both, he agrees that the Pixel camera is better.
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On first glance the P6P looks best, but after a while too processed and too heavy on the HDR. The natural photographic nature has been replaced with a video game like processing look more and more as time goes by on Pixel.
Looking back at my pixel 2 photos, they are more natural looking than the p6 ones now.
All you need to do is check out edited RAW files and what the p6 camera is capable of is drowned in a over processing.
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Still people just care about a "good" looking photo. Problem with samsung is that it still take lots of blurry photos
Depends on the review TBH. Both phones are in the top 3. The S22 Ultra is more expensive but has better specs, storage capacity and build quality. It's not made in China which is important to some of us.
I have both and for most things the Pixel camera is just better.
Problem is for everything else on the phone the S22U is better.
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I have both and for most things the Pixel camera is just better.
Problem is for everything else on the phone the S22U is better.
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And now we have an honest unbiased response.
Both of these flagship phones are seriously flawed. Not a day goes by that I'm not sorry for selling my S20+ in anticipation of the Pro 6 that never came and the S22U that is 2 weeks delayed and counting.
The Samsung shot is way more natural but there is no way you can make a judgment on just one photo. For the majority of the time the Pixel doesn't turn in to an HDR mentalist like it has here and the results are very pleasing.
Then thing is this type of photo is one where I would expect Samsung to be competitive with the Pixel and in this instance I think I do prefer the S22U image, the slightly blown sign and building in the distance do not ruin the photo for me.
It is photos of people and pets where I think the Pixel excels which is probabnly 90%+ of the photos I take on a phone. If I was heading out to take some cityscapes I would not worry which one I took with me TBH. I'd probably take the S22U though as the Pixel on cellular would likely have a dead battery by lunchtime
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The Samsung shot is way more natural but there is no way you can make a judgment on just one photo. For the majority of the time the Pixel doesn't turn in to an HDR mentalist like it has here and the results are very pleasing.
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^^ 100%.
One photo? come on. Both phones are great. can we just be content that phones are this good.
And there's so much more to it, than just one photo captured in one moment of time. It''s not black and white. This is much more complex to just have a blatant statement like that and these types of features have to perform well for billions of people in billions of different environments. all flag ships from 2020-22 do very, very well.
Not anymore sir... After may update camera on pixel isn't so good on sharp