Taking my TP2 across Europe and Internet charging ??? - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

Hi Folks,
I am intending to use my planned TP2 abroad(from UK), most likely Europe. I will most likely be signing up to VF. However I have just discovered than international data charges are horrendous. Something like <£5/ < 0.5MB/ £5- 5MB etc. It is quite convoluted. I thought innocently that this would be a part of my roaming deal - no way....
Thoughts, Experiences, advice???
Sam

Earlier in the year I went to Portugal on holiday, and kept my iPhone in flight mode for almost the whole week. I found that I did not really need internet access all that much, and when I did need to use it once, I went to an Internet Cafe and paid a couple of Euro's for around half an hour.

VF have free roaming at the moment, till the end of August, which is great for calls and texts but unfortunately it doesn't include data.
They have a few data plans though, if your looking for heavy usage aboard they are probably quite good value, just give CS a call they'll explain. (Make sure you call VF Business CS, they are very helpful!)

data roaming (as opposed to voice roaming) is handy only if you need to access the Internet on the move constantly
why not consider locating café with free wi-fi hotspots as an alternative? or are they hard to come by in europe?

Yes you are right. One could of course use Wifi with the TP2 !!!
I will also ring Business CS to enquire...
Thanks,
Sam

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Its official, 02 charge for GPRS usage.

I just got a ****ing huge bill for GPRS usage. According to 02, I have used 33986kb on GPRS last month. This has cost be £80 extra on the bill.
According to a few posts I read last month on this forum (which is complete bul****) 02 do not charge for GPRS.
Someone claimed to be working for 02 and said 02 does not charge, I mean, what the **** was that all about.
Anyone else in the same situation right now? I am already broke, this is gonna get me into serious debt now.
I mean.. WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!
80 GBP and you cry?
c'mon, you've gotta be kidding me. If thats your problem, lol
I just got a bill for 1600 euros and I couldnt care less
life's a *****, deal with it
i work for my money you ignorant prat!
Put your money where your mouth is and take that "paypal" button off of your website..
My 2 cents (the only ones you're ever gonna get)
They haven't charged for GPRS usage so far, but it's not exactly surprising that they'd make an exception for someone who uses such a high amount of data. Obviously if you're sensible and don't go too far over your allowance it's not going to be charged, but if you flaunt the system you're going to raise some flags.
The bottom line is if you aren't prepared to pay for your GPRS usage, then don't use it. If you do use it and you don't get charged it makes a nice bonus, but you can't expect something for free and then complain when it's not.
alitech said:
i work for my money you ignorant prat!
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haha, so do I
'serious debt'
80 GBP
lmfao
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frater said:
Put your money where your mouth is and take that "paypal" button off of your website..
My 2 cents (the only ones you're ever gonna get)
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ah yes and you have developed a website and spent countless hours on it too I guess?
I just think it is extremely funny someone can cry like a friggin baby over a 80 GBP bill
I am a student, I work weekends and have a limited budget yet I find time and money, which I spent out of my own pocket to help people. I dont want to get rich of it and I wont, since everyone has the same freeloading attitude like you do, but I dont want to spend truckloads on money either when the site is gonna attract more traffic
what did you do to help others btw?
lmao
If you think you can get something totally free in this world you must be from a different world... this is planet earth and we have something called Multi national companies who are greedy!
Come on... O2 giving GPRS for free... yes, they did have a promo, but you have to be responsible for your own actions... check it out with O2 first - phone them or check out their website.
If your money is worth so much to you should be responsible when you spend it.
w3rd up
£80 is over a weeks work to me as I have to work for free in a solicitors and study atop my normal job and would be crippling debt. It would take me a month to pay that off.
Anyway, as far as I was aware, we established on here that it was free, but if you go overboard 02 would clock on, and that they could choose to bill you for the lot if they want. So think yourself lucky they only charged you one months usage!
I only use about 2.5mb a month maximumand they haven't billed me yet. How did you use all that anyway? Your phone has WiFi, and in any town you're never more than 20 meters away from an unlocked network!
well i have heard of one guy getting charged for gprs but he was streaming radio and video. i think he got hit hard £300+
im on o2 and it has been a relief so far (touch wood) that i haven't been charged.
i would prefer for o2 to charge but at a fair rate, or even offer a package where for x amount you get y.
Let me get this right, you took the word of the people on here but you never checked with O2. You then proceeded to hammer your account because you thought you were getting something for nothing. It reminds me of a guy I saw in one of those "Eat all you can for a fiver" cafes, the fat bastard gorged himself like a pig at a trough and then said to his buddy "that ****ing food gave me indigestion". You have to pay the piper my friend.
Good luck to those who have not been charged (yet), but don't complain if you get a bill - if you use it you should pay for it!
I pay for my GPRS as an addition to my normal tarriff & it pains me a little to see some people getting it for free, but I suppose if I knew I could get it for free, I wouldn't be too quick to sign up to pay for it
O2 (UK) do offer a reasonable GPRS package - I pay £14.50 + VAT (=£17.04) for my O2 Data36 bolt-on to my monthly contract. It gives me 36Mb/month (more than enough for my needs) and extra data is £0.85 +VAT (=£1.00) per Mb. You'll find these tariffs under the business sections rather than the persoanl tariffs.
I know T-Mobile & Orange have similarly structured GPRS bolt-ons - prices & amounts of data vary etc, but the concept is the same.
I do think the providers are missing out by not offering a lower entry price e.g. £6 for 10Mb or similar.
I also use the same 02 bolt on package.
There is something strange in that i havent yet been charged for any over mb that I knew I had gone over And their computer is registering I am using it and logging the times , but it shows no data actually used.
sounds like a fault with their computers, but I am sure this will be fixed.
I made the mistake of using the internet on my old P800 in America. BIG phonebill.
TBH, as I said earlier, I puposely bought a phone with wifi so that I only only have to use GPRS as a last option. Seriously, ANYWHERE I have ever been, I have never had to walk more than 40 metres to get WiFi connection to the internet. Some other poor sod can pay for my usage
I was with O2 until July. I roam a lot and used the Internet a lot. I was never charged. Not even the minimum daily GPRS roaming charge listed on their website. I was lucky.
I think it may be down to your account provider. Even though the bill comes from O2, O2 has a number of account providers such as Carphone Warehouse or Tesco Mobile.
I originally signed up with BT Cellnet and my provider was Securicor Mobile.
I am not sure how account providers work but it is just a thought.
Hi
O2 were giving me free GPRS when it first went on line and it seems to still be free, though there was a period they were charging me and my bills were high, especailly for GPRS usage on my 3 and half month round the world tour when i roamed!
When we take a contract out for anything these days it is our repsonsibility to check that it suits us and if not, change. Occasionally O2 may not lead the providers with the best offers but like everything it swings in roundabouts and at the moment they seem to have good deals and popular.
Have to say that there XDA website support and updates are a bit thin.
I am with O2 and have been for 6 years without changing provider.
I was made an O2 'Select' customer which i believe they are no longer registering new customers as. This means that you are one of their top 200,000 users... did not think i would qualify.
They give me special offers like answering customer service calls 'IMMEDIATELY' and no queuing, free itemised billing, 60% discount off mobiles and accessories, new handsets before everyone else, and recently i swung a free XDA2i out of them that should have been £180.
From everyones comments above seems like our mate noddy with the £80 bill is the only one who can't manage his money! :lol:
drjrao
So erm...
how much data does msn messenger use then ?
:S
any idea how i could work out my costs on it :s ??
My Daft sister!
My dear sister uses T-Mobile. She decided that now she had broadband, she'd download Nortan Antivirus etc. She was so worried about connecting her laptop to the internet without this software, she decided that it would be more secure connecting to the internet via her GPRS enabled mobile phone to down load it! Anyway, £350 worth of GPRS later, the file still would not download all the way through. The phone account was locked out when it hit the £350 limit. T-mobile, once they'd stopped laughing were very sympathetic and agreed that she could repay them in installment over several month. She has incoming calls only and has had the GPRS disabled!
im very sorry for her, but that story is just hilarious

Using Orange sim with O2 ROM

Hi folks, this is my first post here so go easy on me, you all seem to know your stuff!
I've got an unlocked XDA Exec and I've upgraded the ROM once from the O2 website.
When I do a soft reset I see:
R.1.04.02
G.42.37.P8
D.1.13.82 WWE
I'm sure that will mean something to most of you. I assume the R stands for the radio version.
I have recently changed from an O2 PAYG sim to an Orange contract, and just want to know if there would be any benefit to changing to an Orange ROM (or iMate, Qtek etc)
(I don't need push email by the way - I'm happy to poll my gmail every 30 mins.)
P.S I am supposed to be on 3G but the little indicator at the top always says "G".
When I was with O2 it said "U" when I was in 3G range.
Any advice would be much apreciated.
Personally I'd upgrade that ROM, not for push email, but for general bug fixes and to get Radio 1.09.xx The newer ROM seems more responsive too.
As for changing to the Orange ROM, I'd say definately not. Orange have a bit of a reputation for releasing the worst versions of phone software, and unless you actually need things like line 2 there will be no benefit. The only thing you will need to do is enter the connection settings for GPRS, MMS and redirect the answermachine number.
As for the 2.5g (G) instead of 3g (U), I would be amazed if there was somewhere that O2 had 3g coverage but Orange didn't as O2's 3g coverage is still poor in comparison. Just check that under start -> Settings -> Phone -> Band that the network type is set to auto and then under Network that your current network is UMTS Orange.
Thanks Gajet, I'll probably upgrade to the latest O2 ROM then.
With regards to my phone Band etc - it is set to auto, GSM Band is "EGSM+DC1800" and UMTS Band is "UMTS 2100"
Under the Networks tab, my current network just says Orange.
If I look under preferred networks, there are 2 called Orange, 1 called @Orange, Orange CH and Orange F.
And you're sure the SIM is a 3g one? What phone if any did it come with? Working from memory I think Orange 3g USIMS are green and Orange 2.5g SIMs are white, they may have a g at the start of the printed number too, but that might be O2 I'm thinking of.
My sim is purple :?
I specifically asked Orange for a 3G sim, but I guess that's no guarantee they sent me one. It came with the SPV C600, which I will probably be selling on ebay when I can be bothered.
There is no "g" anywhere on the sim card - I'll just have to call Orange and find out what is going on. I've only just had my old number ported over today, if I have to do it again I won't be happy - especially as I left O2 because their customer service was USELESS.
lex_london said:
P.S I am supposed to be on 3G but the little indicator at the top always says "G".
When I was with O2 it said "U" when I was in 3G range.
Any advice would be much apreciated.
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That's because Orange are crap. They claim to have UMTS (3G) coverage in Derby but I don't have it.
Changing your ROM won't make it work, sadly. And O2 have been actively extending their 3G coverage - I started off with no 3G coverage, then I had it at work, and now I have it at work and at home.
I personally use the latest QTek ROM and it runs very nicely for me though some people say it's unstable with some software packages - though I've yet to see a reliable list of which packages these might be. Provided Linux meets with my expectations (which I consider bare minimum for 'Joe Public') I'll probably be ditching Windows Mobile altogether - in which case the ROM will be completely manufacturer- and network-independant.
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- especially as I left O2 because their customer service was USELESS.
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eeek Out of the Frying pan and into the blast furnace. Sorry mate all CS are crap nowadays and I'm afraid I would rate Orange as worse than O2 from personal experience.
They obviously have changed the colour schemes a bit with SIMs, but 3g USIM's were deffinately green. My suspicion is that they sent you a c600, looked at that handset and thought that you did not need a 3g USIM and have not sent you one. Defo phone em up to check, er don't be suprised if they say to upgrade to a 3g USIM costs £10, you can fight that one out with em.
lex_london said:
I left O2 because their customer service was USELESS.
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I tried to email a billing query in to O2 and they replied with bullcrap about reading usage data off the SIMcard. So I cancelled my Direct Debit and emailed them again to tell them that it would remain cancelled until the issue was resolved. 3 weeks later it was still unresolved and they had ignored all my emails. This month they tried to hit me with £43 (before VAT) of 3G data usage charges, having ignored my Welcome Browse & Download 5Mb allowance and having not updated my Usage online until after my first bill (thereby not allowing me to check my usage!!)
So I called them. They refunded the 14p for the text message to Romania as per my original billing query (I wanted to get that straight in case I find another 200 messages to Romania on my next bill and they try to use the defence that I didn't complain about the first one!), gave me £15 credit for the 5Mb of data I had been billed for wrongly, gave me a £10 "good will" refund and also provided me with an email address to make a formal complaint.
Oh dear. I didn't think anyone could be worse than O2! When I told O2 I wanted my PAC number to change my number to Orange, their "last line of defence" bloke offered me 1kb of data a month for free if I stayed with O2. I pointed out that I was already getting 1MB for free, which is actually quite a bit more. He said, "No, no kb is bigger than mb, I'm telling you!". :lol:
Anyway, I'd love it if Orange try to charge me £10 to upgrade to 3G seeing as I asked for a 3G sim in the first place. Any excuse to shout at them and get some money back!
I'll let you know how it all pans out, thanks for all the help.
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He said, "No, no kb is bigger than mb, I'm telling you!". :lol:
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Ever tried to talk to *any* broadband "support" people about Kbit vs Kbyte? Not a f#@king clue.
You should have asked for 1Gb!!
Well I spoke to Orange today and they confirmed that I have NOT in fact been sent a 3g sim card, despite the muppet on the phone assuring me that he would send me one with my new 3g phone.
As it turns out the phone isn't 3g either. :evil:
They told me I would have to cancel my current contract, start a new one on 3g and then transfer my number (again).
I was so angry at this point that I said a rude word :shock: told them I was going to cancel my direct debit, my contract and tell everyone I know to steer clear of them.
Too harsh?
Maybe.
Fun?
Oh yes!
But now I have no idea which network to use. If anyone out there can help - I need about 200txts 60mins and minimum 20-30mb data per month, as cheaply as possible. Less than £30 would be nice, but I'm guessing unlikely.
If I can draw on some of your experiences it would be a great help.
Thanks in advance.
T-Mobile for the win at the moment I'd say.
Get a Flext tariff to suit your needs and have web and walk added onto it, that's unlimited 3G GPRS (2GB fair useage policy) £7.50 a month or if you want to use as a modem for a laptop it's web and walk pro at £10 a month extra. These data prices can't be even closely touched by any other network at the moment.
Flext 20 would allow you 200 texts, 60 mins voice and a further £2 worth of credit to use on either, add web & walk and your total bill would be £27.50 a month. If you were being cautious on the voice and text needs, there is a flext 25 which gives £60 credit to spread over voice and texts for an extra £5 a month.
OK typing this I feel sick to have to keep on paying O2 what I currently do.
Thanks Gajet, I stumbled on to the T-Mobile site and snapped up the flex, web and walk offer thing. They say in the small print that VOIP, P2P filesharing and video streaming is not allowed but email and browsing is fine, which all suits me, and apparently the reception with T-Mobile is pretty good.
How would they know if I was using VOIP though? Doesn't it all just look like data traffic to them, or can they monitor what programs you are using?
I also just spoke to O2 to see if they could entice me back with a decent offer. Needless to say, their data prices for non-business users are ridiculous compared to T-Mobile, so I politely declined, which is unusual for me - but the girl did have a very nice voice. 8)
Looks like I'm finally sorted.
This forum is great, thanks to all for your help!
Also keep in mind that instant messaging software is currently not allowed, however I believe there would be a way round that in using web based system that sends replies to you as texts.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/11/t-mobile_voip_ban_responds/
I'll probably just stick with plain old sms and email for now. It sounds like t-mob will be introducing their own IM client at some point, but to be honest I'd prefer to use google talk.
Actually, thinking about it, you can access your google talk history from within gmail, but i'm not sure if you can actually use IM from within the browser. I'll have to test it out at some point.

Android 3gig allowance Tmobile

Can anyone help me find this on Tmobile's UK website (that the fair use allowance for android phones is 3 gig?)
I was one of those who bought from Mobile Phones Direct, found I had a 1 gig fair use allowance, phoned up Tmobile tech support and got it changed to 3 gig.
Anyway, just had my first bill and it was for £44! They told me I had no internet allowance.They admitted it was an error, then put me back on a 1gig allowance...
That led to my protests and so they then put me on Web and Walk plus for free, but I am concerned that in some way W&W will still prejudice my d/l speed.
While on the phone I tried to find the statement on their site about andriod phones to quote back to the sales staff but could not.
Anyone?
Regular WnW: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/#fup1
WnW Plus: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/#fup11
OK
Link #1 says (my bold):
"Pay monthly plans which include internet on your phone on an Android phone
You'll need internet coverage, check it at t-mobile.co.uk/streetcheck. Remember that you can only use your internet on your phone Booster in the UK and you can't use your phone as a modem or use web'n'walk Plus for peer to peer file sharing, or making internet phone calls. *Internet on your phone comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month."
which is what I thought I had
Link#2 says
Mobile Broadband Plus
"You'll need a compatible laptop, an enabled device like a USB modem and mobile broadband coverage. You can check your coverage at t-mobile.co.uk/mobilebroadband, remember that you can't use your plan to make internet phone calls. This plan comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month. We'll monitor how much you send and receive each calendar month so that we can protect our network for all our Mobile Broadband customers. If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much."
which is what I've now got.
Good? Bad? No different? Especially the issue of speed.
Should I get back to them?
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Speedtest says dl speed is 0.35mbps, upload .051mbps. Can't remember what it was before.
My Speedtest results vary depending on where I am. At home I get at most 500kbps, but at the office I get 1800kbps. Seeing as I need internet when I'm NOT at home, that's fine with me as I have WiFi at home anyway.
So, you should check in different locations.
al89nut said:
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Link #1 says (my bold):
"Pay monthly plans which include internet on your phone on an Android phone
You'll need internet coverage, check it at t-mobile.co.uk/streetcheck. Remember that you can only use your internet on your phone Booster in the UK and you can't use your phone as a modem or use web'n'walk Plus for peer to peer file sharing, or making internet phone calls. *Internet on your phone comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month."
which is what I thought I had
Link#2 says
Mobile Broadband Plus
"You'll need a compatible laptop, an enabled device like a USB modem and mobile broadband coverage. You can check your coverage at t-mobile.co.uk/mobilebroadband, remember that you can't use your plan to make internet phone calls. This plan comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month. We'll monitor how much you send and receive each calendar month so that we can protect our network for all our Mobile Broadband customers. If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much."
which is what I've now got.
Good? Bad? No different? Especially the issue of speed.
Should I get back to them?
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Speedtest says dl speed is 0.35mbps, upload .051mbps. Can't remember what it was before.
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I would read them the riot act!!
You are paying for a service for which you are not getting, you were not advised it would only be 1gig.
Push for the 3gig.
My last phone on T-mobile was G1, even that had 3gig webnwalk.
Just tell them their breaking their terms of agreement, and you should either be allowed what you should be paying for of they terminate the contract at their own cost.For breach of T&C's.
Many hours on the phone later, calling agent after agent to get sense from them...
I have web and walk plus - which is the same as the 3gig allowance???????? - on my Desire.
Or at least the lady (in India) tells me.
I will believe it when I see it on MyTmobile.
And when the £44 is wiped.
And when the dl speed is not ****e.
Sigh.
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Many hours on the phone later, calling agent after agent to get sense from them...
I have web and walk plus - which is the same as the 3gig allowance???????? - on my Desire.
Or at least the lady (in India) tells me.
I will believe it when I see it on MyTmobile.
And when the £44 is wiped.
And when the dl speed is not ****e.
Sigh.
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Web n Walk plus is the correct addition for android devices. Web n Walk standard only gives you 1GB allowance and your download speed is restricted. Web n Walk plus gives you 3GB allowance and un-restricts your download speed.
Use the free speedtest.net app from android market to test your speed. If it has been activated, turn off your phone for 5 mins turn it on. It can take up to 24 hours for your download speed to sync up and get faster.
What they do is add Web n Walk plus to your account and then apply a monthly loyalty discount equal to the same amount.
Your download speed will vary depending on the usage on the cell site your connected to and your signal strength.
The download speed on a good day can easily exceed 2000kbps or 2 Mbps.
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/
is the link and you can navigate to it by going to the T-Mobile UK home page, then click on the ‘Services’ tab along the top, then click on the ‘Internet & mobile broadband’ link on the left hand side, then click on the ‘Web’n’walk the legal stuff >’ link at the bottom of the page.
Hope this helps...
Thank you - speed test now shows 1400 kps. This is what it showed before they messed me around, but I was paying for it! Here's hoping.
I rather suspect that your problem is more to do with MobilePhonesDirect giving T-Mobile duff information than T-Mobile itself.
A friend of mine had real problems getting MPD to correctly provision data on their account.
Regards,
Dave
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I rather suspect that your problem is more to do with MobilePhonesDirect giving T-Mobile duff information than T-Mobile itself.
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Every chance, I've read of Desires sold by MPD registered with T-Mob as Nokia's
Mine was registered as a Nokia when I first got the allowance raised from 1gb to 3gb in April. My problem was that a month later they promptly sent me a bill for the internet use, then when I protested, they waived the bill, but changed me to 1gb unlimited. The online staff have no idea of the 3gb allowance for android phones out there in a call centre somewhere East. I was directing the lady to the particular TMob UK webpage for ages.
Yeah the call centre is in the east, but hey none of the other networks are any better. Just stay calm and guide them slowly through it, they get there in the end!
At 1400 kbps your on HSDPA unrestricted, so as long as you don’t get charged your fine...
I have had a 30 day rolling sim only contract with t-mobile. I thought that was sorted with unlimited web & walk but they didnt tell me there was a speed restriction on it. The full speed w&w plus is only availalable on 12 month contracts they tell me so I cant even change it. Fed up trying to talk to them so off to O2 now I think.
O2 is full of iphone users, so their network seems to be really full, dropped calls and restricted 3G, so im not sure if you will be any better with them.
Good luck though!
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I have had a 30 day rolling sim only contract with t-mobile. I thought that was sorted with unlimited web & walk but they didnt tell me there was a speed restriction on it. The full speed w&w plus is only availalable on 12 month contracts they tell me so I cant even change it. Fed up trying to talk to them so off to O2 now I think.
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Persevere ,talk to technical assistance,no one else !
Took me about a week to convince them,but got there in the end.
I tried to get my internet allowance changed from 1GB to 3GB today as i've just received my phone today from MPD.
However i was told they can't change anything until the first bill is through and paid for?
Anyone else encountered that?
If you ask to get transferred to sales or technical support then they are UK based, make sense of what you're saying and will help you if you explain that you're getting nowhere with the call centre people.
I went straight through to tech support and told them I should have 3gb as per the website. They changed it there and then and let me use my internet booster for somthing else. Lets hope it sticks. I got a confirmation txt for my new booster but not web and walk +
I had the same problem from mobiles.co.uk
I got it changed and used my addon as internet as well, so should get 4gb really!
herghost said:
I had the same problem from mobiles.co.uk
I got it changed and used my addon as internet as well, so should get 4gb really!
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Was this straight away or did you have to wait a couple days until your bill came through?

Desire + Orange?

Hi, im currently up for renewal on my vodafone contract, but with them not being able to offer a decent tarrif or give me an actual date for when they think they will be getting stock (been told approx 2weeks but nothing confirmed) ive been forced to shop around, ive been offered 500mins 3000texts and internet (500mb, is that enough for the desire?) and a free phone tomorrow so to speak from orange. I know from past experience with orange that back in the day they would fill there phones of junk, i was wondering if the Desire was full of the old orange stuff? or is it unbranded so to speak?
Cheers, Joe
Oh, i can however get a nexus one with vodafone on a contract that i could live with, is it worth jsut going for a nexus over the desire? is there any major differences between the two other than the sense ui? which is the main reason i prefer the desire over the nexus tbh.
I think it all depends where you get the phone from. Orange, Phones4U and most Orange stockists will sell you their crapware filled, branded, crippled Desire that really is an awful experience in comparison to stock Desire. Thankfully this branding is pretty easily removed.
The Carphone Warehouse will sell you an unlocked, branding free Desire on contract from Orange etc. and they may give you quite a good deal.
As for the Nexus, it has pros and cons. It has Froyo, gets updates seemingly quicker than other Android phones, and has a uni-body design (honestly, it's not that much different). The Desire IMHO is better due to HTC Sense, more RAM and physical buttons which are more responsive than the touch buttons on the Nexus One.
It's your choice but I'd go with the Desire -- preferably NOT on Orange (they even give you a measly 500mb data plan [I've had the phone three months and gone over twice due to Spotify and podcast streaming] unless you pay another tenner and their customer service sucks) or via The Carphone Warehouse. Look around for the best deals
Cheap Desire offer!
Ive just bought one via mobiles.co.uk, it comes from them and it is a stock desire rather than an orange.
They have an offer on half price line rental for 12 months on one of them cash back thingys. Only had the phone a couple of days but pretty happy with it!!
The Orange phone is filled with rubbish you can't rid of.
I've just unbranded mine.
As above. Mobiles.co.uk i found were offering the best deals.
The Orange Network i've found to be very good, and the customer service again has been excellent
I came from O2 with an iffy data network and rubbish customer service
Rickalicious said:
The Orange phone is filled with rubbish you can't rid of.
I've just unbranded mine.
As above. Mobiles.co.uk i found were offering the best deals.
The Orange Network i've found to be very good, and the customer service again has been excellent
I came from O2 with an iffy data network and rubbish customer service
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Orange have been terrible to me. They even got my name wrong on a bloody direct debit when my name is on the account!
steve228uk said:
Orange have been terrible to me. They even got my name wrong on a bloody direct debit when my name is on the account!
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I guess they can't get it right all of the time, I can testify to that on O2's behalf, they were crap for me.
Yea whatever you do dont go on 02, had a 30 day rolling contract with them.. took me 3months to get that canceled.
Im on orange now 500mb of internet is fine for me, i just do general internet browsing facebook etc. Ive worked out 500mb will get you 16mb a day. Mines from phones4u had no problem with them, just make sure you cancel all the insurance addons they give you (unless you want them)
Cheers
Sorry to sound like I'm fighting the tide but I've always found O2 to be decent, both for customer service and network. I've always managed to negotiate a deal with retentions that is comparable to the best competitor tariff. I'm kind of limited because O2 are the only network that get a signal inside my house. Voda, Orange and T-Mob are all low signal but that's because I'm in a semi-rural location.
In fact my local mast must have been upgraded recently because I started getting a strong H signal inside the house a few days ago when I ALWAYS had plain G before.
As for data plans, ALL the main networks in the UK are going to tiered data plans. There's no such thing as unlimited data any more, it's 500MB for starters and then increasing cost for more MBs (750,1000 etc).
I spoke to O2 about the data and they told me it was only going tiered on the iPhone. I didn't think it was true but it was kinda interesting to hear.
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If that's true then fair enough, but it would be sensible to keep an eye open in case O2 do change the data plans across the board. I took out a new contract on 22-June with "unlimited data". My understanding is that O2 are looking to review "unlimited" sometime in October. It doesn't afect me as such anyway because I tend to run at 200-300MB per month.
Im on the same tariff and I got the phone from carphone warehouse for 2 reasons, Orange weren't selling it at the time, and it was unbranded.
The tarrif works fine for me (Managed to go over the 3000 texts , I know not to do to much with the phone on 3G, So it only gets used for emails using the net and stuff, I don't watch videos on it or stream or anything for to keep myself covered
Install at 3G Usage monitor for good measure
I am on the same tariff too. Mine is locked and a pain, just wondering whether to root it or not. Is it actually worth it? I am only wanting to do it because I want to change how many apps boot up to save battery life since all the apps take up 60%+ of battery power?
Anyway, 500mb is fine for internet usage, so far. I have 3g.Watchdog app so it tells me when I go over 75% and warns me when I get close to my quota. Just don't stream and use it for MSN and browsing when your out. When I am in I use the WiFi
I'm on a similar tariff, only with 300 minutes but with a free phone at £25/mth on an 18-month contract I'm not complaining
I just use the 'Your Orange' app from the market to keep track of it all. Seems to work a treat.
steve228uk said:
I'm on a similar tariff, only with 300 minutes but with a free phone at £25/mth on an 18-month contract I'm not complaining
I just use the 'Your Orange' app from the market to keep track of it all. Seems to work a treat.
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It does, but it doesn't give you a up-to date usage all the time, Im sure it states in the app minutes and data may be up-to 48 hours old
well due to the first few posts i decided to go against orange, just got off the phone from vodafone they hae stock but im on the end of the waiting list though it wont be soon before the phone is in the post, got the phone for free on £35 a month over 18months with 600mins unlimited texts + unlimited internet cant really complain!
i'm on orange and upgraded through them. i got
1100 mins
unlimited landline
unlimited internet
600 texts
£25 a month for 18 Months
I got my desire on orange, i have debranded mine & got it unlocked.
orange have been good to me never had any probs with customer service.
By the sounds of it some of you still run the stock Orange app, any chance someone could back the stock Rom up an send me a copy, would be mucho appreciated.
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going abroad need some help.

i'm off on holiday in a couple of days from the uk i'll still be in europe but i know if i use the internet it will kill me when i get the bill. so i rang t-mobile to see if they had any boosters for using internet abroad but they only had one's for talk and text. he explained to me it would be best to turn off the 3G while i'm away so that way the phone will not try to connect to the internet. so if i disabled the 3G connection would this also stop the HSPA (or whatever it's called) connection also or do i need disable this also. the hotel i'm staying at does have a wirless connection which i'm looking at to use if i want to browse or send e-mails, if i do this would be ok as i'm not using the t-mobile internet so there would be no charge. i just need some advice from someone who has been in the same posistion as this is my first android phone so i'm still a bit green with them. thanks
just turn off mobile internet and all will be fine.
t-mob has a flexible internet booster if u really need it http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/pay-monthly/boosters/
Just make sure roaming is off, you can keep everything else enabled. Try and find free wifi spots to download emails etc.
sudeki300 said:
so i rang t-mobile to see if they had any boosters for using internet abroad but they only had one's for talk and text
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You have been misinformed!
T-Mobile have probably the best mobile data rates for any UK network when roaming in Europe.
See here.
Note the countries that this is available in - if you are in one of these countries, when you try to use mobile internet you will be redirected to a page where you can select your Euro broadband booster which is then added to your bill if you are on contract, or taken from your balance if you PAYG.
Regards,
Dave
thanks for all the replies, i did tjought it was odd that t-mobile did not have an internet booster package. it is not listed in the options when you call 150 to t-mobile but it needs more looking into. as i said in my first post the hotel has a wireless connection so even if i can just jump on that it's still better than nothing. last year i took my netbook which was a bit of a pain, but we had one raint say early on in the holiday and i ended up downloading alot of episodes of rubbish from my newsgroup account and that killed my allowance of the wireless connection from the hotel. oh by the way it's only italy i'm going to. thanks again...................sudeki300
i have just had a look and one link is for broadband and the other is internet, so i think i would need the inernet one as the broadband one is quite expensive £40 for 200MB use over a month, where the internet one is only £10 for 50MB over a month. as i am only there for two weeks how long woiuld 50MB last for just browsing and e-mail. that's with no widgets on................sudeki300
sudeki300 said:
as i am only there for two weeks how long woiuld 50MB last for just browsing and e-mail. that's with no widgets on................sudeki300
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Not long - IMHO, you will use more than 50mb in two weeks. Try downloading a net counter application and "simulate" how much you might use your phone over a few days to get a better idea of your data usage. Personally, I know my data usage would go over 200mb in week, but I use my phone for work emails.
Bear in mind though that if you buy 50mb, it will stop working once you go over and you can buy another booster.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Not long - IMHO, you will use more than 50mb in two weeks. Try downloading a net counter application and "simulate" how much you might use your phone over a few days to get a better idea of your data usage. Personally, I know my data usage would go over 200mb in week, but I use my phone for work emails.
Bear in mind though that if you buy 50mb, it will stop working once you go over and you can buy another booster.
Regards,
Dave
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thanks for the reply dave, to tell you the truth i would only be using the internet while i'm at the hotel and as they have a wireless connection it would be better just to use theirs. the last time i was there i downloaded two seasons of a show at 300MB's each at eight episodes each season before my allowance run out, so by browsing and e-mailing i should be ok for two weeks. the 200MB option on the booster is £40 that is just too expensive, that's 2 months of my broadband connection at home. oh, if you was wondering why i was downloading tv shows while on holiday the reason is i cannot understand italian which is a bit naughty as i'm half italian. thanks..................sudeki300

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