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How do you think that will issue an update for the HTC Diamond and Pro, which will include Windows Mobile 6.5? New versions of Diamond and Pro have the same processor, but 2 times more memory. The conference had used MS HTC Touch Pro 2, which is pretty good at handling inquired with WM6.5.
I do not know policy, HTC, so I ask you.
all,i think both Diamond and Pro will inclulde WM6.5.
No updates for current devices...
I think you'll find that HTC will not release official update for Diamond / Pro to WM6.5 - The new devices (Diamond 2, etc) will be released with WM6.1, but will get a free upgrade, when available, to WM6.5
So... the only way you're gonna get 6.5 on your Diamond is to use a cooked ROM from here. If I'm wrong, you can drag me naked through the streets behind a horse
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I think you'll find that HTC will not release official update for Diamond / Pro to WM6.5 - The new devices (Diamond 2, etc) will be released with WM6.1, but will get a free upgrade, when available, to WM6.5
So... the only way you're gonna get 6.5 on your Diamond is to use a cooked ROM from here. If I'm wrong, you can drag me naked through the streets behind a horse
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i remember someone on the Kaiser forum said the same thing regarding video drivers... soo.. )
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Realy, I can?
Given that HTC is still selling Diamond and Touch Pro in many countries today, it is bad business decision for them not to provide updates to these phones as people would hesitate buying these models and would wait for Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2. And it is always bad to the business if prospective customers hold their purchase decision as these customers may be lured to other phones in the meanwhile.
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Given that HTC is still selling Diamond and Touch Pro in many countries today, it is bad business decision for them not to provide updates to these phones as people would hesitate buying these models and would wait for Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2. And it is always bad to the business if prospective customers hold their purchase decision as these customers may be lured to other phones in the meanwhile.
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Unfortunately this is not the case... M$ are only allowing 6.5 on newer phones that have a 'Start' key and a 'Back' key specifically. Hence the 'slight upgrade' to the TD2 and TP2.
No phones currently have these hard keys. I believe HTC are releasing these updated models prior to 6.5 solely for this reason - to have a phone already out that can handle and take WindowsPhone 6.5 (it's Windows Phone now guys ). I also think that is why HTC are offering free 6.5 upgrades for those that purchase these devices.
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I was just sorting out a bridle but then I reckon you're right
I'm pretty sure "cooks" will figure out some other buttons to use for start & back ... don't worry we'll not only have 6.5, but we'll also have 6.5 running smoother than any possible official update from HTC.... just look at the current 6.1 roms!
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I'm pretty sure "cooks" will figure out some other buttons to use for start & back ... don't worry we'll not only have 6.5, but we'll also have 6.5 running smoother than any possible official update from HTC.... just look at the current 6.1 roms!
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it already has a back button, so cooks would just remap the home button i think
and wm6.5 beta is already working on a diamond right? so i dont think cooks would even bother to remap that key
Prewien said:
it already has a back button, so cooks would just remap the home button i think
and wm6.5 beta is already working on a diamond right? so i dont think cooks would even bother to remap that key
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Oh of course... I am running it on my diamond right now - I think it's faster than the 6.1 ROMS just quietly. Certainly opens Windows folder waaay quicker. Lacking a bit of polish and flashy-ness but more than good enough for daily use with some tweaks (and I added PointUI).
So no doubt we'll have it on our Diamonds for sure... And as you guys have said it's an obvious replacement for Start - Home key!
Just tryied out a 6.5 version on my Diamond.
Nothing so interesting:
Titanium interface instead of manila (vertical tabs instead of horizontal) not working well
Honeycomb menu is damn slow
Graphic (Mac like) scrollbars
Graphic (nice) context menu
As bilbo says "There and back again"...by now stai with 6.1 with some additional programs if you like.
Quote: "As bilbo says "There and back again"...by now stay with 6.1 with some additional programs if you like."
What programs to add if I want 6.1 to look like 6.5?
dickenz said:
Unfortunately this is not the case... M$ are only allowing 6.5 on newer phones that have a 'Start' key and a 'Back' key specifically. Hence the 'slight upgrade' to the TD2 and TP2.
No phones currently have these hard keys.
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My Jasjam does.
where can i get a wm 6.5 download? i dont care if its official or not. i would just like an improvement from 6.1.
thanks
grandboy3000 said:
where can i get a wm 6.5 download? i dont care if its official or not. i would just like an improvement from 6.1.
thanks
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me too, i want to install wm6.5
If you read the latest threads in this subforum you'll find wm 6.5 roms
Jesus, what are we ?? Digging threads from the grave ?
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when it debuts? if so, we'll be getting cooked version here? when is it expected to come along>?
WM6 just came out earlier this year.. its probably too early for anyone to be able to give you a definate answer.
No one can tell the future. Questions like this only fuel speculation and rumours.
im sure by the time WM7 comes out there will be no more Hermes
Honestly I hope they change WM7 so much it isnt compatible. Seriously Windows Mobile needs a huge overhaul. It should look completely different and be so much more functional that it can't even run on old devices. Thats my hope. Plus in the 1-2 years before it comes out most of us probably won't even have our Hermes anymore.
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when it debuts? if so, we'll be getting cooked version here? when is it expected to come along>?
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THIS is useless post wm7 lol
KanosWRX said:
Honestly I hope they change WM7 so much it isnt compatible. Seriously Windows Mobile needs a huge overhaul. It should look completely different and be so much more functional that it can't even run on old devices. Thats my hope. Plus in the 1-2 years before it comes out most of us probably won't even have our Hermes anymore.
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Totally agreed. Most of the time, backwards compatibility only hinders progress and development.
the Hermes is already obsolete
why do you think the hermes is obsolete?
i still have my 8125 and use it every weekend. going on what like almost 3 years old now. most new phones are still using either the 200mhz processors like the elf and tytn II is still using the 400mhz. only real diff. is the rom and ram. obsolete for who someone who needs the newest and greatest maybe.
i like thread that speculate like this why not rumors dont hurt any1 and just a real basic topic and seeing how that the tytn II is running wm6 then it has a good chance of being upgraded to wm7 right i mean were able to get are wizards and hermes to wm6. and since the hermes is the same basic device as the tytn II then i dont see it not being a possibility unless the tytn II is unable to be upgraded or that it requires more ram and rom to run. either way i dont think that wm7 is going to be a giant leap. ms is very slow at major changes and wm6 is basically like a sp2 for wm5 in a way. so i dont think that wm7 will be as much of a leap as most would hope.
but just my opinion on the matter i like these threads.
Lets see. Maybe it will be a WM8 or ......
Everything wich makes my device better is welcome !!!!
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End of 2007? See this older article at Brighthand
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nateshuntsvegas said:
why do you think the hermes is obsolete?
i still have my 8125 and use it every weekend. going on what like almost 3 .
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The new Tytn II is out you know...
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The new Tytn II is out you know...
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6th generation Ipods are out, does that make my 4th generation ipod obselete? Nope, works just as well as 5th and 6th gen.
Windows Mobile 7
JediFonger said:
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Considering Mobile 6 came out shorlty AFTER Windows 6 (i.e. Vista).
Then it is not too hard to imgagine the same for WM7 coming out after Windows 7 (Formerly Blackcomb or Vienna). It is slated for 2010.
But there may be an intermediate release for WM6, likely not to be named WM7, just updates/tweaks.
hehe maybe service packs? why dont mobiles have that more often... not like everything is peachy of every new device and even old ones... there are so many bugs that everyone on such communities as this one fix, that i do not understand why we dont have more service packs for mobile devices :/ esp when a number of new devices come out and need the OS to be tweaked to utilize there new features or hardware.
Don't see any special difference between the TyTN 1 and 2 except the screen that moves in a special position and a new design...
I'm personally waiting for windows mobile 14...hopefully my 8525 will run it
haha
My first PDA in 2001 had PPC2002 (Compaq Ipaq) now my Jasjam (Hermes) is WM6 with this forums help
I would not get excited about anything from msoft in the future, I cant believe that 3 revisions and 6 years and there is not that much difference.
That is why you need killer apps and xda developers to make the Hermes into an excellent device. Mine is the way I want it now and very happy with it
People I still cant believe that HTC are releasing new models that dont support 3G. There isnt a device out there you would trade a Hermes for yet??
It would be great to see a newer device with enough memory to run itself for a few hours without grinding to a halt. How about a device like the S710 with 3G? It doesnt hurt to dream? Hopefully the right people read these forums?
Windows Mobile Vista is sure to ruin EVERYTHING!!!
Is the WM6.1 floating around on the forums derived from official MS release? I searched the various posts as well as on google and couldn't find anything on that.
The reason why I ask this is because looking at the screenshots scattered around the forum I visually atleast, don't see any difference/improvement from our wm6.0
I own a Tilt and I recollect a couple of months back there was a lot of buzz around MS releasing some good enhancements and there was even a much different GUI that was shown in their smartphone platform on MS' own website to which people guessed that it may be coming in wm6.1!!?
Weren't there an official statement on MS WM site of the Tilt and a few select other phones getting the next version of W mobility center syncing with PC plus other enhancements to which all assumed that it'd be WM6.1 ???!!
Can someone shed some light here please! Thanks.
As to whether or not it is an official release, I haven't a clue. But, as to differences, I have noticed several on my HTC Mogul (HTC xv6800, Titan, whatever you call it). Most notably is speed: the device is *noticably* faster running the same problems, and I have run 6 or 7 different ROMs with WM 6 to compare against... it is by far the fastest. Also, on the titan voice command w/ bluetooth headset hasn't ever completely worked, as the verification never worked. All bluetooth functions on my phone seem to be working significantly better.
Other than that, there are a few changes... seems like it's automatically closing certain programs when they aren't used (notably PIE and Messaging) about which I have mixed feelings, but it does tend to make for better memory management...
so there are some improvements. I'm still identifying all of them, since I just flashed the new OS night before last, but there are some definite changes.
I doubt this is the actual WM 6.1 release promissed by Microsoft.
The official 6.1 roms would have some visual "improvements" because of the iPhone. Apple has taken the lead marketshare from Microsoft.
... i think (i might as well be wrong)
the pictures of the fancy shake and such wm version is not 6.1 it's 7 which will not be out untill 2009
Rudegar said:
the pictures of the fancy shake and such wm version is not 6.1 it's 7 which will not be out untill 2009
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i also read somewhere that visually, there is a big difference between the ppc and the smartphone versions of 6.1
yep windows mobile 7 is the one with the whole new gui and finger friendliness on it, but it wouldn't suprise me if they included a few bits in 6.1 just to keep i phone at bay.
Hope its not the official one...
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I doubt this is the actual WM 6.1 release promissed by Microsoft.
The official 6.1 roms would have some visual "improvements" because of the iPhone. Apple has taken the lead marketshare from Microsoft.
... i think (i might as well be wrong)
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I certainly hope that this isn't the official MS release as even though like you guys (taxilian) are saying that there is significant speed improvement and tweaks here and there, I'd much rather take some GUI improvements that will allow for more and more functionality with just fingers... I mean a stylus to go tap tap while walking in a park... come on dude!!
HTC norway was interviewed today at www.amobil.no, and the following question was raised from one of the readers, with the following reply.
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(...) Second of all: Windows Mobile 6.5 and 7.0; will it be possible to update Diamond, Pro and HD and/or other models with the new versions of WM?
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There'll be a ROM-update for Diamond and Touch Pro in january , where we got a new MSFT release for WM6.1 and improved TouchFlo3d."
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Source (norwegian)
At least that confirms the 2.0 version we've seen? And the release date Hurray!
wew
that's grate news
TFLo3d
It's not as responsive as I see it in the youtube vids.
Seems to run flawlessly.
I notice a real slow down when I import contacts. I have quite a few.
and what is with the new versions of WM?
To the question : "WM6.5 or WM7 on diamond ?", the answer is "YEEES ! you will have WM6.1++ !!!"
I think it means we won't have them from HTC, as they probably reserve it for a brand new phone they'll try to sell us...
But XDA developpers are the bests, so i'm sure we can expect them to cook a nice WM7 Rom as soon as it will be available...
Let's hope WM7 will be able to run on our Diamonds. Can't wait till the release!
Not too sound too negative, but I mean WM6 kills the diamond - it makes it choke (cooked ROM's or not).
Hopefully that won't be the case for WM7. Because up to this point, I'm rooting Android all the way
This is pure speculation from all of us, since we're talking about an unreleased product. That said, Windows 7 beta seems a lot snappier than Vista (I know - doesn't say much) and slightly faster than XP. So, maybe WM7 will run faster than 6.1?
Some people have mentioned WM7, I highly doubt HTC will release 6.5 for the Diam/Raph/BlackS, never mind 7.
Good thing we have xda-devs, though I suspect that 7 will require new and diff. hardware in phones, such as multitouch.
how reliable is the news?
yea wm really sucks.. ms is really poor at innovation..
diamond doesnt have multi touch?
anyway been waiting for a new official rom for a damn long time.. was tempted to flash to a cooked rom.. so i guess can wait till jan for now to see what they offer..
Hopefully they resolve issues like memory leak.. and learn from the forums what the users really expect of the diamond and tf3d..
LOL when it be wm7 upgrade you ll have another **** phone from htc so what are you solving here i consider that due to ms is poor bastard* wm7 will be at 2010...just look to articles and news...
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how reliable is the news?
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The guy interviewed is:
"Selskapets produktsjef for de nordiske og baltiske markedene, Christer Högström" ==> "HTC's Chief of Products for the nordic and baltic markets, Christer Högström"
So probably as reliable as it gets before the actual download is available.
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HTC actually got a bunch of questions regarding WM6.5 on current models, to sum up they're answers:
HTC will have to pay an upgrade license per device for 6.1 to 6.5, the details regarding this is not all worked out yet, so he couldn't answer if there would be released official 6.5 updates and if it would be free or a upgrade fee involved.
I suppose most/many of the hardcore users would be interested in upgrading if the fee vs gains is the right...
Don't hold your breath!
If HTC release an official 6.5 ROM upgrade for the Diamond, I will video myself eating my device and post it on YouTube for all to see! New OS means sales of NEW devices.... this makes good sense for businesses. Why offer an upgrade for a device someone has already bought when they can sell you a nice new device with the latest OS installed?
Thank goodness for XDA Developers, that's what I say! We will have our upgrade one way or another!
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If HTC release an official 6.5 ROM upgrade for the Diamond, I will video myself eating my device and post it on YouTube for all to see! New OS means sales of NEW devices.... this makes good sense for businesses. Why offer an upgrade for a device someone has already bought when they can sell you a nice new device with the latest OS installed?
Thank goodness for XDA Developers, that's what I say! We will have our upgrade one way or another!
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Tottaly agree. (Even though i wouldn't mind seeing Diamond beeing eaten )
Ooops!
Jura_ZG said:
Tottaly agree. (Even though i wouldn't mind seeing Diamond beeing eaten )
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... yes, I might live to regret putting that in print!
will it happen????????
i don't think so....it will be xda members that will make it happen....
not the phone operators....they want you to buy a new phone and sign up again for 12 months +....well thats what i think any how
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Tottaly agree. (Even though i wouldn't mind seeing Diamond beeing eaten )
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I totally agree too. The same happened for my old Trinity (no wm 6.1 version was released by HTC but very good cook version from xda people )
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I totally agree too. The same happened for my old Trinity (no wm 6.1 version was released by HTC but very good cook version from xda people )
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i miss my trinity.....great phone
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i miss my trinity.....great phone
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I confirm! I sell it to a friend but in my opinion for more things is much better than my new diamond ... (only few ram)
Making an upgrade available for some small fee wouldn't be that bad. Bussinesswise I understand your viewpoints but on the other hand, I buy my phone for 500EUR ($800 or something) I think for that price I can get some service. If I get bad service I wouldn't stay with HTC, but frequent updates will make me buy another one (or your operator will buy another one for you with ur contract), if that's 500EUR every 2 years I think they can be really happy.
Check it out:
http://www.msteched.com/online/view.aspx?tid=5471dd4c-9d1f-47c8-85df-c3bf5bfe678c
I was 100% sure that there would't be any official wm6.5 update(maybe it still won't be any) but this sure gives us some hope.
Well, this was just Microsoft's demo, nothing else, unfortunately. The availability of WM 6.5 for "old" Touch Diamond and Pro isn't Microsoft's decision - they would sell it to anyone, of course - it's a decision of HTC. And as far as we know, HTC is not interested in releasing official WM 6.5 ROMs for their previous-generation devices. On the other hand - we have XDA Dev...
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Well, this was just Microsoft's demo, nothing else, unfortunately. The availability of WM 6.5 for "old" Touch Diamond and Pro isn't Microsoft's decision - they would sell it to anyone, of course - it's a decision of HTC. And as far as we know, HTC is not interested in releasing official WM 6.5 ROMs for their previous-generation devices. On the other hand - we have XDA Dev...
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Yep, i know all that but it still would be nice.
As far as i know, till now there were only wvga wm6.5 presentations. This is the first official vga one.
when will we know?
What's quite amusing is it looks really similar to udKs WM6.5 ROM
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What's quite amusing is it looks really similar to udKs WM6.5 ROM
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How so?> To me it looked like any 6.5 with ms theme.
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How so?> To me it looked like any 6.5 with ms theme.
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It means either udk achieved official looking 6.5 well, or MS are using udks ROMs.
The general appearance, and the occasional quirk I've found in udks ROMs appeared in the video...
To the OP, thats a Fuze in the video. Top right hand corner says AT&T. Diamond not available for purchase on att.
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To the OP, thats a Fuze in the video. Top right hand corner says AT&T. Diamond not available for purchase on att.
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Yep, noticed that even before i posted but it seems to me that fuze has more rounded corners. (Maybe a Diamond witn wm6.5 on at&t like sprint diamond that jus came out ).
Hi all,
The title says it all: What will HTC change in their ROM-update?
I was wondering about this and like to know what you think of it.
At the moment, HTC has some functionalities covered that WM 6.5 will have build-in.
-Bigger menu's
-Better program list
-Touch flow (vinger friendly)
I'm hoping they will remove these features from the shell, so that the phone can have some memory back (since it's already integrated in the OS).
Also I'm a bit scared for the upgrade. Untill now, I havent seen any example of WM 6.5 that is as snappy (fast) as the touch pro 2 is, with it's stock rom.
Will HTC (be able to) polish it that good again?
To make this thread a bit more informative, only react with plausible suggestions.
Will they add extra features? (Will the FM-radio be activated?)
Regards
Fix the horrible memory leak like where all the f........ Memory gone please someone anyone fix this.
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Fix the horrible memory leak like where all the f........ Memory gone please someone anyone fix this.
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There is no memory leak on TP2, not that I have found yet.
The reason you have so little "free" memory is because of the heavy caching and apps running in background to improve responsiveness.
There is still plenty free for additional apps, and the OS will release more if it deems necessary.
Personally I prefer to have a snappier more responsive device than one with loads of free memory not being utilised.
As far as HTC updates, I believe WM6.5 will be the only update we will see and that's even a slim chance I think, although if they do release it officialy for TP2 I don't expect it to be as polished as the stock 6.1. (There is no financial beneift to them , so why bother..........)
Cheers
Beasty
I allways hoping android will be converted from the hero rom onto tp2 and hen we will have the best device possible with android.
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As far as HTC updates, I believe WM6.5 will be the only update we will see and that's even a slim chance I think, although if they do release it officialy for TP2 I don't expect it to be as polished as the stock 6.1. (There is no financial beneift to them , so why bother..........)
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Beasty
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HTC are using an upgrade to 6.5 as a unique selling point for the device, so they have to provide it, the financial benefit would be extra sales before 6.5 is even released
Cheers
Steve
and then?
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HTC are using an upgrade to 6.5 as a unique selling point for the device, so they have to provide it, the financial benefit would be extra sales before 6.5 is even released
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Steve
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Yes mate, this has been done in the past too.
Doesn't mean it will be up to the standard that we have seen with this 6.1 though
Hopefully I am wrong and they do another stunning Rom (I won't hold my breath)
Cheers,
Beasty
Well the update is expected pretty soon. (in 2 or 3 months). There won't be a WM phone from HTC out, like the touch pro 2. So a good update will provide more sales of the TP2.
But if it get sloppier, I will stay with wm 6.1. Ofcourse, if there will be a snappy and stable 6.5 version provided by XDA I will go for that, but I'm pretty hard headed in that. I think this time around it will take a lot time before the first GOOD custom roms will appear. Especially if they integrate TF3D. This piece of software has gotten a lot more complicated tot work with.