when it debuts? if so, we'll be getting cooked version here? when is it expected to come along>?
WM6 just came out earlier this year.. its probably too early for anyone to be able to give you a definate answer.
No one can tell the future. Questions like this only fuel speculation and rumours.
im sure by the time WM7 comes out there will be no more Hermes
Honestly I hope they change WM7 so much it isnt compatible. Seriously Windows Mobile needs a huge overhaul. It should look completely different and be so much more functional that it can't even run on old devices. Thats my hope. Plus in the 1-2 years before it comes out most of us probably won't even have our Hermes anymore.
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THIS is useless post wm7 lol
KanosWRX said:
Honestly I hope they change WM7 so much it isnt compatible. Seriously Windows Mobile needs a huge overhaul. It should look completely different and be so much more functional that it can't even run on old devices. Thats my hope. Plus in the 1-2 years before it comes out most of us probably won't even have our Hermes anymore.
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Totally agreed. Most of the time, backwards compatibility only hinders progress and development.
the Hermes is already obsolete
why do you think the hermes is obsolete?
i still have my 8125 and use it every weekend. going on what like almost 3 years old now. most new phones are still using either the 200mhz processors like the elf and tytn II is still using the 400mhz. only real diff. is the rom and ram. obsolete for who someone who needs the newest and greatest maybe.
i like thread that speculate like this why not rumors dont hurt any1 and just a real basic topic and seeing how that the tytn II is running wm6 then it has a good chance of being upgraded to wm7 right i mean were able to get are wizards and hermes to wm6. and since the hermes is the same basic device as the tytn II then i dont see it not being a possibility unless the tytn II is unable to be upgraded or that it requires more ram and rom to run. either way i dont think that wm7 is going to be a giant leap. ms is very slow at major changes and wm6 is basically like a sp2 for wm5 in a way. so i dont think that wm7 will be as much of a leap as most would hope.
but just my opinion on the matter i like these threads.
Lets see. Maybe it will be a WM8 or ......
Everything wich makes my device better is welcome !!!!
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End of 2007? See this older article at Brighthand
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nateshuntsvegas said:
why do you think the hermes is obsolete?
i still have my 8125 and use it every weekend. going on what like almost 3 .
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The new Tytn II is out you know...
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The new Tytn II is out you know...
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6th generation Ipods are out, does that make my 4th generation ipod obselete? Nope, works just as well as 5th and 6th gen.
Windows Mobile 7
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Considering Mobile 6 came out shorlty AFTER Windows 6 (i.e. Vista).
Then it is not too hard to imgagine the same for WM7 coming out after Windows 7 (Formerly Blackcomb or Vienna). It is slated for 2010.
But there may be an intermediate release for WM6, likely not to be named WM7, just updates/tweaks.
hehe maybe service packs? why dont mobiles have that more often... not like everything is peachy of every new device and even old ones... there are so many bugs that everyone on such communities as this one fix, that i do not understand why we dont have more service packs for mobile devices :/ esp when a number of new devices come out and need the OS to be tweaked to utilize there new features or hardware.
Don't see any special difference between the TyTN 1 and 2 except the screen that moves in a special position and a new design...
I'm personally waiting for windows mobile 14...hopefully my 8525 will run it
haha
My first PDA in 2001 had PPC2002 (Compaq Ipaq) now my Jasjam (Hermes) is WM6 with this forums help
I would not get excited about anything from msoft in the future, I cant believe that 3 revisions and 6 years and there is not that much difference.
That is why you need killer apps and xda developers to make the Hermes into an excellent device. Mine is the way I want it now and very happy with it
People I still cant believe that HTC are releasing new models that dont support 3G. There isnt a device out there you would trade a Hermes for yet??
It would be great to see a newer device with enough memory to run itself for a few hours without grinding to a halt. How about a device like the S710 with 3G? It doesnt hurt to dream? Hopefully the right people read these forums?
Windows Mobile Vista is sure to ruin EVERYTHING!!!
Related
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.com/archives/2008/01/06/exclusive-windows-mobile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Here are the details of the new Windows Mobile 7 due to be released on Devices in 2009.
Seems that some of the new technology may require new hardware, but we will see if it's compatible with the Hermes.
Awesome !!!
Maybe a little too awesome. Something like this is just fine for tweakers like us, but something tells me that having to remember what all these different shakes and gestures mean is going to baffle everyday users.
That being said though, the scrollbars, pan arrows and zoom boxes are genuis.
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Seems that some of the new technology may require new hardware, but we will see if it's compatible with the Hermes.
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I have a lot of faiths to the genius developers here in this forum. Having said that, I think I would probably have replaced my Hermes by then.
i would love to have this on my Phone!!! i will tell my brother to shuv his iPhone up his Asssssss
It's really nice locking windows but I think it's not gonna be compatible with Hermes
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It's really nice locking windows but I think it's not gonna be compatible with Hermes
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Why? Or just a feeling?
I can see this, people walking around and all of a sudden, you see someone just shake their phone. The looks you would get from non tech savvy people.
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Why? Or just a feeling?
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Just a feeling I think that Hermes don't have enough RAM and ROM for this windows and processor may be to slow (or not)!
at least any wm6.1 around? Just waiting to see next wm6.1 on my hermes, WM7 is still far away ...
This is something that should be launched by Xmas 08 as 6.1 or 6.5. If Samsung can release a bespoke touch phone interface by this Xmas 07 (F700) - what the hell have M$ been playing at?
Sitting on the dubious laurels of WM spring to mind. The fact is that companies like Samsung (i600) and HTC (their touch software/hardware) have done about a million times more to keep WM usable than MS have done.
Remember 09 they will likely be competing with a 2nd or 3rd generation 3G iphone, probably App Unlocked in some ways, and probably Me-Too phones from all the Major phone makers.
Too little too late is my thought.
Another thought does this blog have a legit history of predictions?
yes
hope to have something before 2009
http://www.zooomr.com/photos/[email protected]/
Does anyone have aclue if our artemis will be able to run wm7 and explore all of those touch potencialities?
wm7 will not be out before 2009
so it's everybodys guess
heck ms and pda makers could have changed
cpu away from arm compable cpu's we use now
to something different by that time
Rudegar said:
wm7 will not be out before 2009
so it's everybodys guess
heck ms and pda makers could have changed
cpu away from arm compable cpu's we use now
to something different by that time
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i kind of know what you mean, but you do make it sound like its years in the future, its only next year and the technology wont have changed that much,
I dont think WM7 will work on Artemis because the supposed hardware features the OS needs, we dont have it, and if we did get wm7,it would be very limited, or just a basic new look without the special features.
I think a skin program or a special written emulation program is the best
were going to see on our devices.
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i kind of know what you mean, but you do make it sound like its years in the future, its only next year and the technology wont have changed that much,
I dont think WM7 will work on Artemis because the supposed hardware features the OS needs, we dont have it, and if we did get wm7,it would be very limited, or just a basic new look without the special features.
I think a skin program or a special written emulation program is the best
were going to see on our devices.
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dude one year is looooooooooong enough in the tech industry
but i agree WM7 will be far more advanced to run on Artemis or if we did get lucky and we got WM7 on our phones,it would be very limited in use, or just a basic new look without the additional features
Same old story like XP and Vista
It will be like running Vista on your old Desktop Computer: Either you don't have graphics power for Aero or your entire system will be too slow to run this thing.
It looks nice but no thank you! By the time they have it released I will have my ultimate pda-phone and my Artemis will be trash compared to that.
WM7 compared to WM6.1?
Maybe this is a matter of me not having read enough about WM7 specs, but judging by the way WM6.1 runs on my Artemis with most animations etc turned on(FAST!), I think WM7 might not be such a far grasp. Of course, we'll know for sure when someone WM7 is released and someone is kind enough to bake a ROM for us!
Looking forward to it!
all the fun fun fun stuff is hardware based though (3d accel, accelerometers)
and they may change the entire framework of how windows mobile works. remember that odd numbered releases are major overhauls and even numbers are GUI refreshes
the hardware based godness wont work obviously, but it will probably get ported.
Remember WM6.1 is available on here for the Himalaya, originally a WM2003 device IIRC
If THATS possible.....
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Its not even a year now though, in 5 months time it will practically be 2009. And in my opinion, the only real major change in PDA's is the release of a WM device with an accelerometer (Diamond). I am confident that WM7 will be available for the P3300 in its full glory
Oh, and the odd number/even number thing is rubbish, if thats actually true, where is WM4/2004? :|
It's 2009
It's February 2009, and it's still not out now.
I saw some screenshots of supposedly running WM7 (with photo of ugly-looking bird as wallpaper), though.
i think that was WM6.5 , not 7
thanksszxsx
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...-windows-mobile-7-try-windows-mobile-6-5.html
Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..
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Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..
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Cool, can't wait to cook roms with it!!! and YES I'll be around then!
cirial said:
Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..
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It needn't be that late for 6.5 ROMs to start appearing here, need it? Going by version 6 experiences, we could expect to see the 6.5 ROMs as early as this year. Hermes support is an unknown though.
kernelguy
MUT%$ Fu&%$!!!!!!!
HAhahahahaha i was exited.... sorry... but without screenshots it becames like the WM7 Toughts hahaha.... we all spect not to have the enhaced oS with 3D processor like the new Diamond hardware....
Hope its not and can be cooked to hermes....
I dont know if i want to believe this or not...
Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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try one of these roms with manilla and you'll know... hermes is such a great pda but its resources are very limited and microsoft has tradition in releasing new systems that like to eat a big slice of memory. let's see.
there's always a possibility that this is just speculation. apple os for the iphone is a big deal when it comes to finger friendly apps, so is google android and microsoft knows that all... and let's not forget that nokia is also about to release their iphone-like handset running a touchscreen version of their Symbian OS which the market's been waiting for a long time. microsoft needs to react really fast, i think that 'second half of 2009' would be way too late.
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Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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Depends on how flashy they make it. My old HTC Typhoon that came with WM2003SE runs WM6.1 just fine right now. But if MS starts relying heavily on graphics processing, 2D or 3D, most older devices won't be able to handle it.
Yea your probably right.
But I think in 2009 I can buy a new telephone then
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No, because WM7 is built on WinCE 6.0, Hermes runs WinCE 5.0.
i really do not know if our Hermes will fit the WM6.5
i'd like to think that by the time wm6.5 and wm7 rolls around, most of us will have replaced the hermes with somn newer from HTC+nvidia's tegra600 or better GPUs
http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html
i can't wait til what kinds of neat things xda devs. can do with a fully powered GPU and lots more room to do it with. i'm always amazed what xda devs. can do with hermes platform already =P.
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i'd like to think that by the time wm6.5 and wm7 rolls around, most of us will have replaced the hermes with somn newer from HTC+nvidia's tegra600 or better GPUs
can do with a fully powered GPU and lots more room to do it with. i'm always amazed what xda devs. can do with hermes platform already =P.
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yes, nvidia's tegra600 is good future stuff! Are U sure HTC is working with nvidia tegra600?
what needs to happen
I would never say that wm 6.5 or 7 can't run on the hermes, odds are it will be so memory heavy that it will not have much free program memory to run.
having said that, I still have a mpx200 in the drawer that I mess with every now and then, it started with wm2002, then went through the os's all the way up to wm6.1 after someone figured out how to use the storage card for the os to run.
My guess is that it would take someone figuring out how to load the os (or most of it) onto the card and run the programs (or most of them) from the card so that the program memory could run the device. (here is where the nonbelievers say things about how the sdcard tranfer rate is not fast enough to run programs or how the hermes prossesor is not made for the os...blah...blah...blah) all I can say is tell your naysaying to my mpx200
and for those who say get a better device, ah, were not talking about launching the shuttle here, it's a ppc, 400mhz is plenty to keep the hermes a very usable device for the average user for a long time.
The point is not will I use it, but could I use it and with the right developers, I am very confident I could and will.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1653
supposed screenshots of 6.5.
if you look at the icons some of them are imac icons. Its not a real shot of it.
I dont know but
watch at your help app icon (lifesaver) comes from the Linux OS
so maybe is maybe isn't the only thing we can spect is the release date... and maybe neither that.
Screenshots says nothing....i can put an iphone skin on my hermes....
i'm not 100% sure these screenshots are fake but one thing i must say is that they do look a lot like the Zune interface which would definitely be a good market strategy for microsoft to put all their mobile experiences with a similar look.
zune is a great music player and its market share's been growing rapidly it would be a quite smart move from microsoft to get everything in the family.
what is this? theme? custom rom?
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/06/windows-mobile-7-features-demonstrated-on-video.html
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what is this? theme? custom rom?
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/06/windows-mobile-7-features-demonstrated-on-video.html
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Apparently they are using our dash as a testbed for windows 7 platform (not a full rom), it definitely looks greats, probably we can see this early next year since WM is loosing a lot of ground with android.
If that is true, then we can hope that we will have funcional WM7 ROM with so many great chefs here.
Moto MPx200 was used for testing WM5, and it got funcional WM5 ROM.
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If that is true, then we can hope that we will have funcional WM7 ROM with so many great chefs here.
Moto MPx200 was used for testing WM5, and it got funcional WM5 ROM.
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I don´t know if it will be possible, given the hardware´s age. In fact, you should take a read on this article from WMexperts saying that no device available today is (or will be) able to run WM7.
Regards
i sold my Motorola Mpx200 with WM5 operating ROM, it needed the SD card ALLWAYS in the phone cause system files where there!!
regards
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Apparently they are using our dash as a testbed for windows 7 platform (not a full rom), it definitely looks greats, probably we can see this early next year since WM is loosing a lot of ground with android.
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Hey senor clown
windows mobile 7 thumbs down
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Apparently they are using our dash as a testbed for windows 7 platform (not a full rom), it definitely looks greats, probably we can see this early next year since WM is loosing a lot of ground with android.
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i truly agree with u all people talk bout is android iphone an blackberry i used to have a blackberry i dont see wat so great with it WM has ton more apps and customization u can do to the phone and i just think windows dug a deeper hole with there WM7... nothing against windows i still bought the hd2 probably last window phone ill buy unless they step up an make a phone that compete with iphone and android...
just my preference
i would love to hav this even if its not fully functional just to see what w7 feels like
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i truly agree with u all people talk bout is android iphone an blackberry i used to have a blackberry i dont see wat so great with it WM has ton more apps and customization u can do to the phone and i just think windows dug a deeper hole with there WM7... nothing against windows i still bought the hd2 probably last window phone ill buy unless they step up an make a phone that compete with iphone and android...
just my preference
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The hd2 is a great device, it will be the first device capable of running 3 OS (WM, Android and WM7). I'm still sticking with WM for a while but will definitely get an android phone in the near future. Regarding the dash with WM7, I really doubt we can see something since hardware will not allow...but a theme can be a possibility.
Not that anybody would even think it and i'm probably pointing out the obvious, but there's no hope for microsoft even bringing out 7 updates for even the latest phones, which is sad. The HD2 wasn't allowed one because it apparently didn't have the right button layout. (I mean come on.) I wish microsoft would just release some of this software for dated phones like the Dash, just for us to have a play around with.
try this theme
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if that does the same also lie
Only WM7 skin
awesome theme, great job
now just need to find someway to get zune in WM 6.5 and update titanium weather to latest build
Hello everyone. Can I have some expert opinion please? Do we think that the tilt 2 which was just released last Oct. and I just got mine last week, will be able to support windows mobile 7? Do we think that AT&T will upgrade the OS when it comes out? Being and owner of win mo phones since the 8125 first came out, I know how slow AT&T is to release updated OS's.
This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...
I'm not an expert at all...
But it seems like it's one thing for W7 to be somehow cooked to run on the TP2, but another thing for it to run well, without excessive lag (for example).
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This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...
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This is a great point. Whenever someone dares to mention WinMo7 on the TP2, you get flamed and the spec impossibilities yelled at your face. But exactly my point about what people said "couldn't" be done!
It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not
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It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not
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The Zune OS is based off of the Windows CE kernel, which is also the base for Windows Mobile, so there wouldn't be complete incompatibility as some of the false rumors lead you to believe. There are a lot of blatantly false rumors floating around on even the most respected WM sites, so take every unconfirmed rumor you read about WM 7 with a grain of salt.
Though I would love Windows Mobile 7 on the Touch Pro2, I have to say that it's pretty unlikely it'll happen. First, to everyone who gives the example of WM6 running on WM5 devices and WM6.5 running on WM 6.x/5.x devices, the reason this is easy is because all these operating systems (WM5-WM6) run the same Windows CE 5.2 kernel. It's a lot easier to backport an OS when it uses the same kernel. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be based off Windows CE 6 or 7, and it'll likely take a hell of a lot of low-level work to get WM7 on the Pro2.
If you don't believe me, look in this thread at PPCGeeks, where some of the most technical people discuss this issue in more detail. It seems to me that we'll need a new everything, from the SPL and bootloader to new hardware drivers (since it's extremely unlikely that WM7 will support the Qualcomm MSM series considering the rumored WM 6.5.x and WM 7 coexistance scheme, where only 6.5 supports lower end devices and hardware like the MSM series).
I'm not saying I don't want WM 7 on the Rhodium, since I really do, but I am trying to be realistic here, so I'm gonna say it's likely no to WM 7 on the Pro2.
one guy from htc russia announced WM7 minimal requirements: 8Gb onboard, CPU1GHz,FM, 5Mpx,compass,G-sensor,3,6",WVGA.
but of course its not true
My Universal (2005) came with wm5!
Then upgraded to wm6, then to wm6.1 and I got it working with wm6.5
I´m sure the great chefs here will manage something so we can have wm7 for sure!