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Hello, I was usgin joshoss V8B2 manilla2d and with some apps installed (via device update) I was left with like 10 megs free, so I tried the PDACornerPro.V27 - Build 20759 NonRBSN Josh-Abs (both greeeeeeeeat ROMS!!!!) and installed basically the same apps with the addition of HTC Home to have a nice look and feel (closer to manilla)... and ended up with around 12 megs free.... so I'm not sure which one is eating more resources.... any idea? manilla is still more unstable, right?
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Personally I do not feel that manila is for the hermes, until I get my touch3g I am going to run HTC home and spb mobile shell.
I am also quite interested in the study...
Currently using HTC HOme and happy with it, but if Manilla doesn't consume much more resources (In terms of RAM: for the storage we can all use a Micro SD anyway...), I would immediately switch !!!
Anybody can comment more?
I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
I am a streamline fanatic and like to keep my resources in check. Personally, on the Hermes I think Manila eats up to many resources.
Maybe in the earlier versions there might have been some memory leaks, but I noticed that in the end, I would end up with under 20megs of ram. And if you play with Manila that would go down. HTC Home uses about 4 megs.
Also when I had Manila on, I found that Opera would crash more often, mostly due to running out of memory while it would never do such thing while running HTC Home.
Also I noticed some sluggishness on the Hermes while using Manila, which also sometimes took a little longer --5-10 seconds-- to load, depending on the ROM.
So all in all, once HTC Home is loaded, it is always almost instantaneous, while Manila would again slowdown the phone in mid-operation. And by that I mean switching from the Today Screen to let's say settings or programs.
ultramag69 said:
I played around with the earlier versions of M2D but found it very unstable. I have yet to try the new roms with it cooked in but am going to soon.
I find HTC home a little bare for my needs with M2D doing what I want and not such a bare screen. I like the fullscreen use and nicer look. I believe it does use more Ram but not a major amount. My issue was always the stability. Hopefully the newer versions prove to be somewhat more stable then their earlier incarnations...
Cheers...
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I believe Josh's version is stable (from what I read)
Hi guys,
I tried like 4-5 Manilla 2D builds. They all had some bugs which weren't such a pain in the ass, but they were annoying. I was using PDA Corner V25 - great rom. Several days ago I installed PDAViet's Manilla2D v20 ROM and I must admit it is great. I didn't have any problems with manilla in terms of performance. The RAM left is 21MB on boot. The overall performance of the ROM is great. All apps work as fast as on the abusalza's rom. However I haven't tested the YouTube app, since I don't use it. The only problem is the lower in call volume compared to abusalza's rom. And if you use video call, I'm not sure if it's included.
I used multiple ROMs with Manilla 2D .. im now flashing backa again to a ROM without Manilla because i had too many problems with it.. i'm used to listen a lot of music... but with manilla on my Hermie the battery is empty so fast that sometimes i don't even have the chance to lsiten to the music ( i recharge it every night.. and i usually listen to music at about 15:00 pm.. by then it's already on low battery =s
on the other hand there are some stupid buggs in it.. like youtube doesnt work... sometimes the usb-connection doesnt work.. or what also bothers me is the volume control that is removed from audiomanager... there are also some other small problems which bother me but i'm not going to spend any more time on it right now
sorry for my bad english =)
ps. if somebody finds a tool for me to change the music player in manilla ( like from audiomanager to windows mediaplayer) pm me pls..
yes, in my case, I was using Josh's version and it was very stable and had I think all functionality working...the problem was after installing some apps, and after runining for a while opening and closing things I get an error of out of memory...
is there a way to make all "Device Update" to install on storage card?
will some more space on main memory help the RAM issue?
I've tried it out a bit. I'm using update 19 from here, and the Manilla 2D Customiser. On CRC's 13.0 naked non-big storage rom, I used UC to put on all the cab files in the right order, except for the Opera and Youtube apps. Using the customiser, I have removed the internet, mapping and settings tabs, and it runs pretty smoothly. Usually between 18-20MB RAM free. This does tend to go down a bit with usage, but I tend to soft-reset daily, and its not really a problem.
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
SlakerBoi said:
been using pdaviet's V20 and it is really stable and fast. youtube does work and the few times i used it, manilla2d kept running in the background without affecting overall performance which doesn't happen when i run opera and big boss dumps manilla2d to get more ram. it's still one of the best roms i've come across so far and hoping to stick to it - even having to put up with an annoying bug on calendar app.
i might be wrong about this but i found the whole thing a lot faster when i decided to be honest with myself and disable some tabs from manilla2d, tabs that would make it look good and get friends wowing but not really worth keeping just for the sake of showing off. i've disabled weather, music and pictures. pictures cause if anyone starts fiddling with my phone and see my pics THAT would be something to be embarrassed about, for music i have my zune and for the weather, i can just look outside the window.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
When I try to update library from storage card it will start to adding files then stop. Any suggestions. It worked fine with another rom I was using.
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I had the exact same deal running when I used M2D lol. But I've since ditched the whole 2D thing. I'm running PDACorner V27 and man it is faaast AND stable. M2D would crash way too often for my taste. In reality it was designed for the Kaiser/Tilt. Which is why not too many people on those forums have as many issues with it as we do. I remember I had the full 2D setup and I was running Opera and my Program mem usage was on 98% (about 2-3 MBs free). That's why I've decided to wait for the Fuze if I really want Manila.
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i really have the same problem asa u, and now i do not deside to flash any ROM that had installed the M2D, & I like Spb Shell most, cause it is nice and stable
I'm about to give up on this phone. It constantly lags/glitches/resets in messaging, has all kinds of issues with multitasking, and is extremely slow and unreliable.
ANYONE out there that has a fully functioning messaging/internet/calling machine out there - please post what you did from start to finish to create a great phone.
Thank you.
This is my last attempt - been terrible since "upgrading" from AT&T Tilt
I see from your sig that you're using a ROM with Sense 2.5 which may be the source of your problems.
If you want to read my story, keep going. Otherwise, my tip is to "downgrade" to official WinMo 6.1 ROM.
Here's my story:
When I bought the device, I was pleasantly happy with the stock ROM which has WinMo 6.1 and the version of TouchFlo3D that doesn't have the weather in the Home tab.
The 1st ROM I flashed was the official HTC released WinMo 6.5 ROM. Huge mistake. Everything worked but just seemed slower. I've since tried multiple cooked ROMs over the months. They were all faster than the official WinMo 6.5 ROM but there was always a glitch here and there. Often, it was minor enough to be suitable for daily use.
But then I decided recently to switch back to my stock WinMo 6.1 ROM just for the heck of it. It's so much faster and smoother. And everything just works.
Positives of the original WinMo 6.1 ROM over others:
1. Multitasking - Under normal usage, I've never had an application autokill because RAM was running out. This is the case even with Push-Internet enabled. With other ROMs, I can almost never run Opera, Streaming Media, and MSN Messenger at the same time. One of them will certainly autokill.
2. TouchFlo3D smoothness - There's no stuttering and drops in framerates when moving the slider. With other ROMs, (especially Sense2.5) it's never as smooth.
Drawbacks of the original WinMo6.1 ROM over others:
1. Lockscreen - The stock lockscreen of WinMo 6.5 is much more elegant and useful than that of WinMo 6.1
2. TouchFlo3D - It has since been replaced by newer versions with more functionality and eyecandy. But to be honest, the only thing I miss is the weather forecast on the Home tab.
3. Overall finger friendliness in the OS - Dropdown menus and checkboxes are all better in WinMo 6.5.
Its up to you if you want to move back to 6.1....but i hated 6.1... i had more problems with it
With windows 6.1... i had problems with my bluetooth... when i have the bluetooth on my ear for 10 minutes without a call... i lose connection,, i get "lost connection"
With windows 6.5.... the problem was solved... didnt have no bluetooth problems anymore
I want to love my TP2 but ever since I upgraded my OS to 6.5 and other cooked ROM's, I've had issues. WM 6.5 seems to cause my TP 2 either go into standby of death (cant come out of standby) or if and when it eventually decides to come out of it, the screen is frozen.
With cooked ROMS, I have to constantly flash different ROM's in hopes of finding one that is stable and runs smoothly. I have until the 5th of March to either get a replacement TP2 with 6.1 WM running on it or find a cooked ROM that features stability and smoothness.
I found the EnergyROM series to be quite stable and fast for me. Only drawback is you should get the Titanium version instead of the Sense/Manila version. Much much faster.
I have a Tilt2, and the stock 6.5 ROM was slower than molasses. Dunno if you can downgrade the Tilt2 to 6.1.
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
Slow down, notice the subtle nuances then decide
I went from my Wizard to first a Cliq then a Behold 2 before realizing that I am a WinMo girl and going with my first instinct and getting my TP2 (all within my buyers remorse time). I had a stock 6.1 and then "upgraded" to first a stock 6.5, then to cooked variations.
I went back to my stock 6.1
I removed most bloat, added a few updated programs, used Advanced Config to tweak things. My rom doesn't have the pretty Home page with the weather (which frankly is the ONLY thing I miss), but I can go roughly 36 hours with very heavy usage and up to almost 3 days with normal to light usage. It is stable and fast. I have no internet issues, no BT issues, no wifi issues. I do not use email on my phone so I don't know if there is any issue or not, but I do rely heavily on GPS and have had no problems.
I did add some cab files that made little tweaks, like the one that gives me a snooze option on my stock alarm. I did upgrade my Opera to 10 from the stock 9. I use TCPMP as my media player, and removed most of the tab options--keeping only Home, Calendar, Weather, Programs, Settings. I changed my splash screen to a custom one I made, and switched my wallpaper...but other than those minor things, it is a stock rom and I am happy with it.
There will always be a debate over 6.1 vs 6.5 versions...I prefer stability and speed to eye candy, so for me 6.1 wins. I felt 6.5 was like going to Vista. Sure it was prettier, but the "improvements" just didn't feel like an improvement to me.
The best thing to do while you are still in the buyers remorse period is to go stock, add some tweaks and feel it out. From that you can decide if you are a 6.1 person or a 6.5 person. You will also get a basic feel for the device and what it is capable of. Many cooked roms here are great, but as with anything cooked, it is a matter of taste. Perhaps you haven't found your right flavor yet. But if you keep blowing through roms, you aren't getting the full TP2 experience.
Here's an analogy--I was just in Vegas, but this was the first time I really SAW Vegas. There is an old Vegas (6.1 rom) and a new Vegas (6.5 variations). I enjoyed the buffets and shows at old Vegas, but loved the lights and sparkle of new Vegas. You won't know what works for you if you don't check it out individually and linger for a bit. Much like my stay in Vegas, if I blew through it (as you seem to be going through roms), all the subtle nuances would be missed.
THERE ARE WAYS TO TWEAK THE DEVICE. Maybe you just aren't feeling WinMo and need to move to a Droid...some people are like that (I'm not one of those people). As far as a WinMo device goes though, this one is rock solid.
akashastrega said it best
I agree with akashastrega above. Each user has his/her own needs.
I am a power business user of my phone. I use it all day every day for email, calendar, etc. I do not use it as a music player.
I am on Ark's 6.5 ROM (a couple builds ago). It is stable and I have it tweaked to my liking.
I would definitely suggest looking around at the ROMs to find one you like. Some are more sparkly than others and some are more stable than others. Once you find a ROM, decide what tweaks you want/need. And if you are having any issues, serach for solutions.
Just got my Tilt2 and so far have disabled TF3D and added some cabs. Seems to work great. Havent had problems with freezes or anything. Disabling TF3D really made a huge difference and I reallllly like this phone compared to the Fuze I used to have.
Disable TF3D.
Add PocketBreeze, PhoneAlarm and PocketWeather.
Happy camper.
Flash DeepShining Rom and enjoy. Fast, stable and AWESOME.
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
Zylograth said:
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
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cdguider managed to extract the stock 6.1 TMO US ROM, minus the radio anyway (which is still available separately), you can find it and the info in THIS thread
ChasDun said:
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
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In short, you must walk on egg shells or winmo will crash and burn. As far as "smoking" the motodroid, that statement i believe is exaggerated. Yes it may (even then it's a maybe) run a little faster but i wouldn't use the word "smokes". Even if it does run faster, i'm willing to bet your brother hasn't had to do anything anywhere close to what you stated in the book you just wrote about what you did to your phone to make it stable. I don't care what ROM or what apps you install on your winmo phone, the core code is still crap and completely unstable and slow. You can't fix that with a cooked ROM or a 3rd party app.
To answer the original question: My suggestion is to wait for the android port to be completed and install android on your tp2. I've owned several winmo phones dating back to winmo 5 and I am now on the tilt2 with winmo 6.5 and i gotta say 6.5 is the worst of them all. The sms freezing/lagging and the sluggishness will never go away. The current android build isn't fully functional yet but you can make and receive calls, text, and get data on it so I use it about 50% of the time on my tilt2. Blows winmo out of the water as far as stability goes and the port isn't even complete. Looks to me like that's what you're looking for, stability. The only reason I don't use it exclusively is because power management isn't working properly yet so it drains the battery pretty quickly. But progess is being made as we speak.
Good luck.
This device has no bugs at all.
Use stock rom, or NRG rom, with sense 2.1, and WM build 21XXX, and u will see.
Its by far the stablest and smoothest WM device i had, even with the 528 qualcomm proccessor.
The only annoying thing on this device, is the modified bluetooth stack that sometimes causes the device to freeze on activesync via bluetooth.
To add something to this thread.
For the fun of it i tested my Tp2.
Normaly i dont lets apps stay open.
But just to let you all know i openend up
9 applications i started with round 70% free memory.
With all apps open it whent down to 35 % free memory.
Now this is nice to know.......no freeze no glitch and my tf3d slider works perfect.
After closing the apps i have 69% free memory back.
I use this phone alot for the hardware keyboard.( i have Hd2 to)
And i run official rom 2.1 sense.
Hope it helps a litlle.
Greetz.
I have the tilt 2 & I'm running JoshKoss 1.8 sence2.5 full build. It's running fast & stable no freezes or resets. I primary use this phone for e-mails, internet, & phone calls. I'm not into watching movies or listening to music on it.
I play with alot of cooked ROMs and I never really had any problems. I would say that you have to know the device and what you want. Typically after flashing, I will go deep in and turn off whatever that I don't need. So gone with all the auto-updates, gsensor, push internets etc. I even use MemMaid and disable all the startup items, services and notifications that I do not need.
My device runs alot faster and stable as a result.
actually MIGHTY ROM seems to be the bet rom around.. its stable and FAST!!
I'm using my TP2 with the Stock 6.5 & have never faced any problems whatsoever
Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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I can't offer any magic bullets here for you I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that I think the blame can be squarely placed on Sense, as opposed to wm6.5 so much. Not to say that 6.5 is some kind of streamlined OS, but just try using the phone for a day, or even just a few hours, with Sense turned off, and this will become obvious.
I know that's not terribly insightful, but in problem solving you always want to divide and conquer, so you can at least know which of those two ways to direct your efforts. I wish you luck, honestly...I think there's a lot more TP2 owners out there who experience it exactly as you do, if not worse. My personal experience on my recent upgrade to a stock 6.5 ROM is slightly better than yours, but no more than 10%, and I'm fastidious about manual memory management (through pretty much the same methods you've listed). The only other thing I do that I don't see a lot of other users here doing, that I believe helps me sidestep other lagging issues, is keeping my sms folders trimmed at all times...as in, no more than 45-50 messages in there live at any given time. Will your memory load decrease if you do the same? I dunno, it's just the only other thing I could think of that you haven't already mentioned
Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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On most TP2's yes....there were a few carrier ROMs (like the first tmobile WM6.1 ROM) that had the precursor to Sense, aka TF3D, but most carrier's ROMs either came with Sense or have now been upgraded to it.
Thanks Sirphunkee for your response. After several days of searching and finding no one able to give any sort of real answer to the massive memory consumption sense uses, I have sence reverted her phone back to the stock rom at her request (I dont blame her: 66-73% consumed when ideling is simply not acceptable by any standards). If al she were doing is running the homescreen plugin (sense) I guess this might be fine, but she actually uses the tp2 for other things than just looking at it and scrolling from tab to tab.
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
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I'm glad you got something that works the way you want...but 8 programs running at once?! I assume that you're not joking...?
I'm sure that the reason you couldn't find much help on how to free up memory to the level you want is because nobody else needs to run that many programs at once.
Just curious: what 8 programs would a person need to run at the same time? And it's not useful with "only" 3 or 4 programs running simultaneously?
Of course, it's none of my business...I've just never heard of wanting to run that many programs simultaneously. I don't even do that on my PC at work (engineering R&D).
FWIW: My phone (running the ROM in my sig) boots at about 62% memory used and slowly grows. I run cleanRAM when memory use gets well above 70% (even though the phone still seems to perform fine at that level). That usually brings it down by about 15MB. Eventually cleanRAM can't do enough and I soft-reset. I don't find it difficult or inconvenient to do a soft-reset since it only takes a couple of minutes. I find that an acceptable compromise to avoid having to use the inconvenient 6.1 with 2.1. After running 6.5.5 for the past 4 or 5 months I can't even go back to regular 6.5.
YMMV...and obviously does!
Honestly, when my phone (Tilt 2) wakes me up in the morning with the alarm, I immediately do a soft reset while I evacuate fluids and brush teeth. It is good for the day. I tend to hover around 60%.
But I am running the stock Tilt 2 rom which is still 2.1
Don't want to make any form of advertising or spam, but I honestly think that you should try my Hybrid ROM. Sense 2.5 and WM6.1 improves the used memory a lot. Now I have fixed all important incompatibility bugs, so it's reliable and much faster then any other Sense 2.5 rom. If you don't care about the WM6.5 eye-candy and you're prepared for some stylus use, try it.
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I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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So there's a tool to convert the iPhone marketplace to Android marketplace? Neat.
Honestly mine does great runnin latest energy rom with the ssk and push internet + memory leak mod. have weather animation disabled and also turned off animation on cookie tabs. amazingly quick. my memory runs bout 60% idle.. which is great compared to what it was on the stock att rom. energyrom 4/17/10 6.5 with sense 2.5
I have a Tilt 2, and although I love the phone, had it for two months now, it can be a clunker if I don't power it down frequently. Looking for a good, stable cooked ROM that will speed things up, get rid of the AT$T cotton candy and be able to use all the functions of the phone.
Anyone have a favorite. My current system is stock , (2.1.19183217.0)(is not sense version). Can I use Sense 2.1 or 2.5 on my phone?
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I have a Tilt 2, and although I love the phone, had it for two months now, it can be a clunker if I don't power it down frequently. Looking for a good, stable cooked ROM that will speed things up, get rid of the AT$T cotton candy and be able to use all the functions of the phone.
Anyone have a favorite. My current system is stock , (2.1.19183217.0)(is not sense version). Can I use Sense 2.1 or 2.5 on my phone?
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The e2 ROM and the WCX ROM are both cooked specifically for the Tilt2. Your hardware keyboard should work with either one with no modifications or additional mapping.
It seems to me that the e2 ROM keeps a few more of the AT&T specific software, but in my opinion both ROM's are pretty much the same with personal preference being the deciding factor.
If you flash just about any other ROM, you will also have to install a cab to remap the keyboard to the AT&T setup, and may even have to do some modifications in the picture messaging.
e2 has a version without HTC Messaging which many people believe presents a lag problem in just about any ROM. He has a version with the older ArcSoft which is probably what you are used to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=644537
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681667
People always ask "what is the best ROM", but what is best depends on what you want in the ROM: aesthetics, features vs. lean & fast, what apps are cooked in, etc.
Personally, I've been using the Energy ROM on my Tilt2, and I love it. Great combination of eye candy, speed and stability. After you flash the ROM, just run the Carrier Provisioning in Tools, and it will map the keyboard to the ATT layout. Everything else works perfectly on ATT's network without any tweaking for me, NRG has already figured out the carrier specific settings to make it amazingly easy.
IMHO if you pick a ROM that is designed *specifically* for the Tilt2, then you are restricting your choice greatly. Most/all of the other ROMs should work fine on a Tilt2, just with a cab needed to map the keyboard (which is trivial).
I would ignore the Tilt2 bit, and just pick a ROM that looks good to you, and give it a try.
Yes, you can use either Sense 2.1 or Sense 2.5 on your phone, also there are other front-ends too, like Cookie, MaxSense, Titanium, etc, etc.
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IMHO if you pick a ROM that is designed *specifically* for the Tilt2, then you are restricting your choice greatly. Most/all of the other ROMs should work fine on a Tilt2, just with a cab needed to map the keyboard (which is trivial).
I would ignore the Tilt2 bit, and just pick a ROM that looks good to you, and give it a try.
Yes, you can use either Sense 2.1 or Sense 2.5 on your phone, also there are other front-ends too, like Cookie, MaxSense, Titanium, etc, etc.
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If you have a cab which will map the ENTIRE AT&T Tilt2 keyboard, I'd like for you to post it. I agree that it is trivial, BUT, I've never yet found a keyboard cab which will map ALL keys, including the OK key, to work properly. I have tried many different ROMs on my wife's Tilt2, and yes, many of them look great. However, IF it is important to you to have the AT&T mapping exactly right on all keys, like it is to my wife, I have not found any of the others which will do that with an "add-on" keyboard mapping cab. As I said in the beginning, if you have one which will do this, please, please, please, send it my way. It would open many doors, and many other ROMs for me to try.
Personally, I never even open the hardware keyboard on my Verizon Touch Pro2, so keyboard mapping is not a big deal to me, but the first thing she does when she pulls the Tilt2 out of her purse is pop open the keyboard, so that has been a big issue in our search for a good ROM for her use.
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People always ask "what is the best ROM", but what is best depends on what you want in the ROM: aesthetics, features vs. lean & fast, what apps are cooked in, etc.
Personally, I've been using the Energy ROM on my Tilt2, and I love it. Great combination of eye candy, speed and stability. After you flash the ROM, just run the Carrier Provisioning in Tools, and it will map the keyboard to the ATT layout. Everything else works perfectly on ATT's network without any tweaking for me, NRG has already figured out the carrier specific settings to make it amazingly easy.
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The problem I've had with Engery rom and every other rom that insists upon using transparent sliders and clocks is the "bleeding" through on the contacts page. In my opinion, that bleeding through looks very unprofessional and unfinished. See picture below:
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The problem I've had with Engery rom and every other rom that insists upon using transparent sliders and clocks is the "bleeding" through on the contacts page. In my opinion, that bleeding through looks very unprofessional and unfinished. See picture below:
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So you would prefer to have the last row bottom completely covered?
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So you would prefer to have the last row bottom completely covered?
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Well, it is not really the last row, it scrolls up for even more rows. Once you scroll up past the slider bar, it would visible.
I like the energy roms but the e2 and wcx are the only ones with AT&Ts agps settings it seems. I've tried the .cab of AT&T nokia and google settings but it's still difficult getting a lock on other "generic" roms instead of the AT&T specific roms.
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If you have a cab which will map the ENTIRE AT&T Tilt2 keyboard, I'd like for you to post it. I agree that it is trivial, BUT, I've never yet found a keyboard cab which will map ALL keys, including the OK key, to work properly. I have tried many different ROMs on my wife's Tilt2, and yes, many of them look great. However, IF it is important to you to have the AT&T mapping exactly right on all keys, like it is to my wife, I have not found any of the others which will do that with an "add-on" keyboard mapping cab. As I said in the beginning, if you have one which will do this, please, please, please, send it my way. It would open many doors, and many other ROMs for me to try.
Personally, I never even open the hardware keyboard on my Verizon Touch Pro2, so keyboard mapping is not a big deal to me, but the first thing she does when she pulls the Tilt2 out of her purse is pop open the keyboard, so that has been a big issue in our search for a good ROM for her use.
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try this. i use it on my tilt2 and havnt found any mapping issues. except for the OK key LOL but the OK key pops up bottom right, right next to you're thumb anyway.
Energy Rom gets my vote....awesome...a lot faster and more responsive than stock plus it looks better to me as well.
Guys, I have no need for ATT bloatware, HTC messaging, MS stuff like Marketplace, MyPhone, etc. Even stock music player is crap. Prefer to install separate programs. Free MB is of great interest. ROM working with GPS is a must. Functionality, speed, free space is much preferable to looks.
Could you give me some leads if you encountered any "lite" ROMs for ATT Tilt 2 out there?
Thanks.
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I have a Tilt 2, and although I love the phone, had it for two months now, it can be a clunker if I don't power it down frequently. Looking for a good, stable cooked ROM that will speed things up, get rid of the AT$T cotton candy and be able to use all the functions of the phone.
Anyone have a favorite. My current system is stock , (2.1.19183217.0)(is not sense version). Can I use Sense 2.1 or 2.5 on my phone?
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Becareful!... this is how it starts, one innocent post and then bam! your a ROM junkie... On here day and night, chasing the dragon, looking for next best ROM.
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Becareful!... this is how it starts, one innocent post and then bam! your a ROM junkie... On here day and night, chasing the dragon, looking for next best ROM.
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Truer words were never spoken. I have no idea how, or when, even why it started. But man I'd like to have a quarter for every minute I've patrolled these forums searching for that ever elusive perfect ROM.
My name is Gary . . .and I'm a ROM junkie . . .
I have had my tilt2 for 3 weeks and I searched and searched for specific tilt2 stuff. Even though I was really nervous to flash it I flashed the "Energy Standard sense" ROM and it was great. I used the TILT2 keyboard cab and it worked perfectly. I use my Tilt2 on T-mobile so it had provisioning for that cooked in as well. I wanted a little more "polish" and adjustment to it and so I now have the "Energy Dinik Glass" (June.7) ROM and it is amazing! No issues so far.
Just an fyi...for some reason all the energy roms I have flashed have really slow touch sensitivity but within a few minutes and a soft reset everything is speedy as normal.
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Truer words were never spoken. I have no idea how, or when, even why it started. But man I'd like to have a quarter for every minute I've patrolled these forums searching for that ever elusive perfect ROM.
My name is Gary . . .and I'm a ROM junkie . . .
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652857
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652857
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thanks... i felt so alone!
Chasing the ROM dragon *LOL*
Guys, I must confess that I'm guilty of the same thing as well. However, I think that part of it is encoded into our DNA. The other part (if you're married to a penny pincher like I am) comes from our spouses. Let's be honest about this...guys love gadgets. That's why we have Spike TV & G4 (Thank God for G4!!) My point is this...since my wife won't let me go and buy the next latest, greatest phone each time a better one comes out, my only alternative is to change what I already have - hence the constant changing of ROMs.
Recently, it became a necessity because I had been a FUZE user and was devoted to TAEL's ROMs for quite some time. But then when I got the new car and the Tilt 2 was the only thing that would work on it (bluetooth car audio functions), I knew where I had to go to make the boring 'stock' Tilt 2 into something that I could use and be efficient and effective in my job. That's where NRG comes in. With no disrespect to the other ROM makers in the Tilt 2 forum, NRG has come through for me time and again. There are very nice things from the other guys, but NRG seems to know exactly what I NEED and he puts it out there. Mind you, I'm not even talking about the bleeding edge 23xxx stuff. I'm merely talking about the tried and true stable 21xxx ROMs that get delivered. Sure there's an occasional bug sometimes (who hasn't seen one?), but he's quick to fix them and the next release to us. (Which reminds me, I need to make a donation to him today because he has pulled my ass from the fire more times than I care to count.)
I'm sorry if I got on a soapbox, but this whole forum makes me very emotional. Before I knew how to flash ROMs and knew what was out there, a phone was merely a phone. But then all you guys came info my life and you shared your knowledge with me without condescension or bellittling.)
That's my two cents for what it's worth.
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That's my two cents for what it's worth.
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I appreciate your post!
I see you are using ROM : EnergyROM 21903/Sense 2.5/Cookie Home Tab/May 16
It looks like I cannot get that anymore, therefore I need to go to:
Energy.RHODIUM.21905.Sense2.5.Cookie.Jun.11.7z
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Thanks!
So there's really no way to completely remap the keys on a Touch Pro2 ROM to match the AT&T keyboard? I only got my TP2 a few weeks ago, but I've been travelling and haven't had the internet to test out many new ROMs (just threw on Energy ROM before I left). Been using an unmapped keyboard for a few weeks now...
Just curious if there's a better way.
Hi, I have a Verzion TP2 and finally took the plunge to do the VZW WM6.5 upgrade.
Bad decision! I'm experiencing really slow performance and reduced battery life.
I like some of the new features, but the slow performance is not acceptable.
Anyone have any good advice for speeding things up? I know disabling sense UI will help, but then it would just be another crappy WM UI phone.
I did some searching here and wasn't able to find much. (Admittedly I didn't spent tons of time looking.)
Help is greatly appreciated! TIA!
Just put a custom rom on your phone and most of your problems are solved. And believe me, you never want to go back to stock.
THanks for the info. Not certain that I want to go away from stock because my carrier (Verizon) may get quite cranky & not want to support me or service my phone if something goes wrong.
I have an unbranded European version of the phone on the UK Vodafone network, so I'm not sure how much help I can be. But I thought I would offer some advice based on my own experiences.
Firstly I assume the version of WM6.5 you upgraded to is the Sense 2.1 version and not Sense 2.5? I remember when I first upgraded I immediately noticed a big slowdown in comparison to the WM6.1 version which flew. If it's any help, you'll soon learn to live with the slowdown and eventually it will become "normal" and it's only when you downgrade you'll realise the difference.
In terms of speeding up the device there is not much you can do, apart from reduce the ram usage. There are a couple of cabs which significantly lower the ram usage.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532948
Secondly you might want to install an app called "memmaid" or "sktools" and disable certain processes and apps from starting up. Admittedly I don't really know what most of these processes do, but I've generally found these ones are ok to disable:
certenroll
notificationmanager
htcsipsrvc
gpsprivacy
softwaredisable
htcservices
dtpt
sqmupload
btagsvc
ssw
ussd
htcap
The same goes for startup applications where I have found these are ok to disable. (ignore the apps that are not installed on your device)
poutlook
speedbmonitor
delwmptempfolder
htcstartup
pkg
spbmobileshell (I have a switcher between this and Sense interface so dont need it on startup)
memmaidtweaks
superstarter.exe
Also, I remember seeing certain apps u can download from here that strip certain branded roms of all the bloatware. As my Touch Pro 2 is not branded, I've never used one and don't have any knowledge on them. But I'm sure someone on here will gladly point you in the right direction for a Verizon one. (If it indeed exists)
You might also want to install "advancedconfig" where you can tweak certain things in your phone to speed it up a bit.
I realise you don't want to go down the custom rom route, but unfortunately it may the only way to achieve what you want. I've now customised my official WM6.5 Sense 2.1 rom to how I want it (whilst waiting for my upgrade so I can switch to something like the HTC Desire on Android) and therefore don't use a custom rom, but I've tested the vast majority of the custom roms and I'm sure you'll find something you like. In your case, I'd suggest a hybrid of WM6.1 with the Sense 2.5 interface. If you can get your head around the lack of smooth scrolling in certain apps and what-not, you'll find a nice balance of speed and a very pretty sense 2.5 interface. (I personally couldn't get my head around it haha!)
I'd very much like to use a custom rom as I quite like Sense 2.5, but there was always a problem with the text message app. Be it the very slow "HTC Messaging" or the problem with the unread count after disabling it. I haven't tried a custom rom in a few months now so I'm not sure if this has been resolved. If so, can someone please let me know as I can't keep hard resetting my phone to test.
Anywayz good luck, and I hope this helped a bit. I don't come on this site too often but I will bookmark this page and try and remember to check it so if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Thanks fade to black for your well laid out response.
I am also waiting to upgrade to the Desire next month but I am not sure I want to get rid of my Touch pro 2. I am so used to the hardware keyboard plus even though I would have had the phone for 1 year by 30 July, it looks brand new. Carrying 2 smartphones about is not an option for me. I have also just had the screen replaced under warranty after it developed newton rings. HTC returned the phone with the latest WM6.5 i.e. with Sense 2.5 and it seems very smooth. No crashes or nothing since I have had it back about a week now.
You're very lucky then as I still have a year left on my contract :-( Lol..
Yeah losing the hardware keyboard is a bit worrying, but i've not had the HTC Wizard, then the Kaiser, and then the Touch Pro 2. So to be honest I'm quite looking forward to a "thin" device for once. Hopefully will be able to get used to the onscreen keyboard.
You could always try waiting a few more months until HTC release an android device with a keyboard? Tbh it's quite surprising how they haven't already.
@Fade2Black101 Thanks for the suggestions! I have begun looking at things and immediately went for disabling the push internet because my memory is a bit tight. Well, instead of installing the CAB file I went in to manually edit the registry and found that it was not enabled in my ROM. :-(
I'm going to try some of the other stuf you suggested, but have not had time as of yet.
I probably shouldn't be, but I am shocked that Verizon released an update that brings the phone to it's knees in terms of performance.
was there a noticable difference in ram usage after editing the push setting? I remember when I tried doing it manually and it didnt have the same effect as installing the cab. So unless you noticed a big change, i'd suggest using the cab.
I don't have Verizon, but, if the rom's out there for Verizon are like the GSM ones, you can probably download the "stock" Verizon Rom, in case you need warranty service. Just flash back to the stock version before returning it.
Of course, if you phone is unbootable, then, you're pretty much screwed
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THanks for the info. Not certain that I want to go away from stock because my carrier (Verizon) may get quite cranky & not want to support me or service my phone if something goes wrong.
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was there a noticable difference in ram usage after editing the push setting? I remember when I tried doing it manually and it didnt have the same effect as installing the cab. So unless you noticed a big change, i'd suggest using the cab.
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I checked the registry and the settings weren't even there except for one and it was set to disabled. Also when I check the task manager under processes, opera isn't there. So I'm pretty sure that push internet is not running on my phone.