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Windows Mobile 6.5, coming soon

http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/news/show/91228/steve-ballmer-confirms-windows-mobile-6-5-s-existence.html
I'm just salivating at what may come our way sometime soon, any thoughts.

blackjack2 said:
http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/news/show/91228/steve-ballmer-confirms-windows-mobile-6-5-s-existence.html
I'm just salivating at what may come our way sometime soon, any thoughts.
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God that Steve Ballmer is everywhere...

Yeah I read about this.

wreiad said:
Yeah I read about this.
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I think the interesting bit is why a straight 6.1 to 6.5? Especially as we are waiting on 7? or is it the medeocer playing field?

Interesting.....but im getting the feeling that 6.5 will almost be a beta for 7, see what the public think and then make changes in 7 ready for release. But a good link, thanks for that

Oh right on this looks interesting... hopefully we can get this out for the dash once it comes out.

Oh I'm sure once it does come out we will all have it on dash in a month with this forum lol. How much you wanna bet that it will come sooner rather than later? Whether he wants to admit it or not it would be wise to do so because more and more people are going to iphone and now windows has g1 to compete with. Gotta keep the windows users interested!

True, my guess January release very low pro though but I'm sure XDArs will catch it as soon as it goes live.

blackjack2 said:
True, my guess January release very low pro though but I'm sure XDArs will catch it as soon as it goes live.
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Yah they will, and hopefully we can have something turning out nice out of this...

Windows Mobile 6.5??
Is this a rumour or actual upgrade? If it is true, when is it due out?

kr33mo said:
Is this a rumour or actual upgrade? If it is true, when is it due out?
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There is a post somewhere?
As to if it is true on not you will have to look @ pics.
Just found on page 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444976
Edit: yes it is coming out it's just the pics that are fake...

Version 6.5 is coming. The pics on the other hand? most likely fake.
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/ballmer-confirms-windows-mobile-6-5-482993

Yah those pictures are fake look at them.

just curious, what kind of updates could be expected? I read about the Zune media face, but have never owned a zune so am not sure what its like. Anyways, what other updates would we be getting?

coop3422 said:
just curious, what kind of updates could be expected? I read about the Zune media face, but have never owned a zune so am not sure what its like. Anyways, what other updates would we be getting?
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I do not think anyone really knows yet... so we just have to wait and see what Bill Gates comes up with...

My Faves
does WM6.5 have the My Faves app. or no?

Windows Mobile 7 Series - On Rhodium??

I just seen a demo/preview of the Windows 7 Mobile Operating System and I must say it looks very nice (take a look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IOTrqlz4jo)
I am curious if it could be used on the TP2/Tilt2 devices once its release in November?? If so, I am very excited.
Does anyone have any insight on this??
Thanks!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611052

Until we can get a working version of 7 Series, I find this discussion pointless.
All we know is from one conference, and a bunch of videos demoing it.
From what we were told at the recent conference:
- Needs capacitative screen for multi-touch with at least four points of touch
- Needs 1Ghz processor or equivalent (the demo device had a Snapdragon)
- Accelerometer
- 5-mega-pixel camera
- FM Radio
- WVGA screen (480×800 not mentioned as a requirement, only WVGA)
- Every phone will have a Bing (search) button, Start button, and a back button.
What the Touch Pro2 is lacking:
- The 1Ghz speed
- Capacitative screen
- 5-mega-pixel camera
My guess is that it will not be a complete rewrite as history has shown time and time again. The restive screen code might still be there for some smart person to re-enable but I highly doubt that all the features of the OS will work through resistive. Also the screen size has not been listed as a requirement, only WVGA was stated. I know all current WVGA devices have a resolution of 480x800 but higher resolutions exist on paper. So at 480x800, is that enough?
My final thoughts: many will try but the screen and over all speed will be a major issue to deal with. If it does get ported to the TP2, the over all experience will be poor enough to fall back to a 6 Series OS.

i dont think it will be well received. it doesnt look like it runs any current windows mobile apps.

From looking at that youtube vid who cares if you can run it on a TP2! Why would I want to ?
Not very impressive. What's the bet it's the same old thing with a different gui ?

dik23 said:
From looking at that youtube vid who cares if you can run it on a TP2! Why would I want to ?
Not very impressive. What's the bet it's the same old thing with a different gui ?
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I couldn't help watching it and thinking "I don't see anything yet that I'm willing to pay $600 for." It looks nice, but I say wait and see how Microsoft turns it into a pile of crap...

Hey, maybe it'll come with glasses and be in 3D. Seems unlikely though.
If you want to make money short Microsoft (IMO)

I have to say I'm 309% underwhelmed by what I've seen so far of this new ZunePho.....uh, "Windows Series Mobile 7 Set Phone Type...7" wtf ever

I doubt very much that Windows Phone 7 Series will come to any older devices excpet for possibly the HTC HD2.
A big part is it requires a GPU for the animation, and unless WP7S has drivers for the TP2 (if the GPU is even good enough) your not gonna get anywhere.
Also Capacitive will be a stumbling block. There will be plenty of new phones out that will run it very well. So it will be a perfect time to upgrade to a CPU that is atleast 1Ghz.

sirphunkee said:
I have to say I'm 309% underwhelmed by what I've seen so far of this new ZunePho.....uh, "Windows Series Mobile 7 Set Phone Type...7" wtf ever
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What the hell are you expecting, really?

rorytmeadows said:
What the hell are you expecting, really?
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multitasking
(next we're going to find out there's no copy + paste either)

sirphunkee said:
multitasking
(next we're going to find out there's no copy + paste either)
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Oh yes! I was hoping I could have an iPhone while staying loyal to MS!

MCbrian said:
Oh yes! I was hoping I could have an iPhone while staying loyal to MS!
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As you've seen, Redmond anticipated your wish, and officially granted it a few days ago lol.
I should probably state my position on this a little better than I first did:
While I don't argue that this new OS is indeed advanced (perhaps even revolutionary), and seems quite capable at what it does...I still feel strongly that this is not the spiritual successor to the current evolutionary path of the windows mobile platform. I know that's why they played semantics with the marketing name, tagging it with the "7" as if it was the next logical step from 6.5...when in reality it's only a timely branding tie-in to the success of the desktop 7.
Let me put it this way...if the desktop 7 had been a flop, they would have called this new gadget The ZunePhone, because it's that much more than it is WinMo7.
Can I see a show of hands for who else is seriously concerned that what we love most about WM is not likely to be around for very much longer...? I know there's been remarks made that 6.5+ will still be supported, developed for, etc...but until I see some confirmed roadmaps and such, I still think the natural life expectancy of my platform of choice looks a lot more finite than it did a little over a week ago.
EDIT: Right after I wrote that, I found some news that makes me feel a little better about some of this

sirphunkee said:
EDIT: Right after I wrote that, I found some news that makes me feel a little better about some of this
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"Windows Phone Classic" Well...better than nothing.

MCbrian said:
"Windows Phone Classic" Well...better than nothing.
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Yes, we're now like the AM radio of the mobile phone world.
"Doesn't gramps still have his Windows Phone Classic..phone?" "Yeah he keeps it in the box under his bed with his baseball cards and war medals"

sirphunkee said:
Yes, we're now like the AM radio of the mobile phone world.
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Actually, I'm old enough to think of a different comparison:
Years ago Coke came out with "New Coke" with a new taste -- more like Pepsi...and the backlash was so strong that they had to bring back the original recipe as "Coke Classic" in parallel with New Coke.
Unfortunately, I think MS is trying to attract the majority of potential customers who don't [think they] like WM...so they're coming out with something that's not WM.

sirphunkee said:
I have to say I'm 309% underwhelmed by what I've seen so far of this new ZunePho.....uh, "Windows Series Mobile 7 Set Phone Type...7" wtf ever
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im more excited about getting android on my phone.
what was the point of the windows mobile marketplace and 6.5.x and all that if they where going to ditch everything about windows mobile and start a new? (remind anyone of palm?)

rorytmeadows said:
What the hell are you expecting, really?
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Yeah, I suppose expecting innovation from a massive dinosaur like MS is asking a bit much.

dik23 said:
Yeah, I suppose expecting innovation from a massive dinosaur like MS is asking a bit much.
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What would innovation be? If you want phones with simple interfaces, macforums.com can accommodate your needs.
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multitasking
(next we're going to find out there's no copy + paste either)
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I'm pretty sure that you'll be able to do this, from what I've read already. Plus, think about what you mean when it comes to multitasking because it means different things to different people.

STOP BELIEVING things that have no evidence behind them.
MS has NOT said that multitasking won't exist.
MS has NOT said that backwards compatibility won't exist.
MS has NOT said much more than the little said earlier this week. Stop believe what WMexperts has told you, it turns out MS was just taking you for a ride with those rumors.
Stop being an idiot and wait and see what happens when it comes to the release date.
You guys are basing your opinions on what you saw 8 months before the actual release of the product. THINK ABOUT IT. Just because your dumbass thinks this and that about a premature product, doesn't mean anything. STOP jumping to conclusions. It's really making you look dumb. MS is not going to sit there demoing a new product and talk about copy and paste. Why would they? Ohhhh, because SOOOOOO many people care about that in the world. I appreciate copy and paste and backwards compatibility just as everyone else does, but the truth of the matter is, you just don't know anything about Windows Phone 7.

Why Dell does WM7

Hello Folks,
I just wanted to chime in again to offer an "offending viewpoint" about the whole Dell debacle.
I personally think that we are looking at a situation similar to Samsung's here. Keep in mind that both these companies also do business with Microsoft on a much larger front, being desktops and laptops.
At last years MWC, Samsung delcared that it was fed up with WM and wanted to port the whole Omnia series to Symbian. They even showed off an Omnia HD - and gave it all up afterwards.
IMHO, the coincidence is clear - could it be that M$ is using desktop Win pricing? What do you think?
P.S. Odd example is HP...

I don't really know what you're talking about, and it seems like a goose hunt to find the articles you're referring to. At the same time, I'm interested in what you're trying to say. Mind getting a few links and adding it to your post?
What Dell Debacle?
Why is Samsung so upset at MS, and they released the Omnia II with WM 6.5...it could have easily been Android?

TAMHAN said:
IMHO, the coincidence is clear - could it be that M$ is using desktop Win pricing? What do you think?
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I really don't think so...

Spike15 said:
I really don't think so...
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Or the loooonnnngggg and ongoing battles with the EU. OP must've lost his tin foil hat. I guess he missed the fact that in the same batch of leaks also came several Android devices.

RustyGrom said:
Or the loooonnnngggg and ongoing battles with the EU. OP must've lost his tin foil hat. I guess he missed the fact that in the same batch of leaks also came several Android devices.
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Yea, the leaks did contain several Android devices, but he Lightning really stood out in the bunch. Best design of the 4.

krjcook said:
Yea, the leaks did contain several Android devices, but he Lightning really stood out in the bunch. Best design of the 4.
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So that means Microsoft is violating federal antitrust rules?

TAMHAN said:
Dell debacle
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What the hell are you talking about?
Dell is a good company and we forgot all about their mobile capabilities. These leaks have only made our confidence in Microsoft a touch better. WP7 may suck, but at least it's getting around and people aren't forgetting about it.

Hi,
sorry for the long awayness.
At last year's mobile world congress, Samsung openly stated: we are fed up with WM for consumer, and are moving our consumer series to Symbian. They then anounced an Omnia HD.
A few weeks later, it was renamed to i8910. Samsung's press team never told a good reason -> strange.
Should I look up the relevant articles on my site?

You want to look up your own articles on your own site?
Be my guest.

Hi,
here we go - the original announcement at last year's MWC:
http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2009/02/16/samsung-omnia-hd-hands-on/
Then, the renaming announcement:
http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2009/04/14/samsung-austria-talks-omnia-hd/
Looks strange to me...
Tam

They renamed it because they thought that consumers would get confused - Omnia HD contained the word "Omnia" and therefore buyers would assume they're getting WinMo when they're not. So they renamed it to prevent that confusion from happening.
As for Dell, the Dell Axims were running on WinMo. Then they left it for a while and now they want to release a new phone with WinMo on it. Nothing special or wrong about it.

cortk said:
They renamed it because they thought that consumers would get confused - Omnia HD contained the word "Omnia" and therefore buyers would assume they're getting WinMo when they're not. So they renamed it to prevent that confusion from happening.
As for Dell, the Dell Axims were running on WinMo. Then they left it for a while and now they want to release a new phone with WinMo on it. Nothing special or wrong about it.
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Sounds very healthy to me...
....wait! No! We have to make a conspiracy out of everything! that's what xda is about now! Forget development!

TAMHAN said:
IMHO, the coincidence is clear - could it be that M$ is using desktop Win pricing? What do you think?
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WP7 license pricing has already been leaked on sevearl blogs (like gizmodo.com)
It's not that expensive and far away from the desktop pricing.
How do people come up with crazy ideas like this?

Hi,
that WM7 is cheap, does not surprise me - I wouldnt want it for free on my XPERIA X1. In fact, I didn't even bother with WM 6.5.
But: then, explain me, why Samsung staff told me that they wanted to rebadge the whole Omnia series to Symbian, and that all future phones would be Symbian based?
Something else: Symbian was founded because Microsoft didn't want to give WIndows CE to Psion for free...another fun detail from the past...

Samsung announced their transition to Symbian when, last year? What did WP7 look like at that time? Why couldn't they change their minds? Also, why aren't you suggesting conspiracies when you see Android and Bada powered Samsung phones?

TAMHAN: You should see if MSMobiles wants an editor.

Goatmaster said:
TAMHAN: You should see if MSMobiles wants an editor.
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LOL. Sooo true.

TAMHAN said:
Something else: Symbian was founded because Microsoft didn't want to give WIndows CE to Psion for free...another fun detail from the past...
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You mean a company that exists to make money off of software didn't want to give software away for free?
Next you'll tell me that Nike isn't standing on the street corners handing out shoes for free!
What is this world coming to!?

Are you the guy who started the 'Elvis has been abducted by aliens' rumours by any chance?

<3 This is pretty funny.

A guy is porting Android to HTC7...

did you see this video from a guy that is porting android to the HTC7? its booting ok but almost anything works...
HAHA ITS NOT TRUT ITS A APRIL JOKE!!!! ITS DREAM
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Worst April Fool's joke ever. You should have talked about the upcoming collaboration between Apple and Microsoft for iTunes-Zune combination player, iTunZ.

don't quit your day job.
iZunes ftw.

No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.

z33dev33l said:
No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.
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I guess that's why they're trying to port Android to it.

orangekid said:
I guess that's why they're trying to port Android to it.
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so it lasts less ?

z33dev33l said:
No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.
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Doesn't seem like anybody wants the feature-lite successor to the Kin, either. Otherwise, why would MS be hiding WP7 sales figures?

Windows Phone 7
Windows Phone 7 is for smart people...

greenbrd said:
Doesn't seem like anybody wants the feature-lite successor to the Kin, either. Otherwise, why would MS be hiding WP7 sales figures?
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Because they've been admittedly poorer than they assumed they would have and because the general populace wants an iphone or something that can resemble an iphone because quite frankly they're all sheep.

The joke's on you
http://wmpoweruser.com/rumor-hd7-running-android/

rhn said:
The joke's on you
http://wmpoweruser.com/rumor-hd7-running-android/
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This seems pretty real. At first i thaught it was a HD7 Chinese replica phone,
but in the top right corner it clearly says T-Mobile. I did google translate on
the page, and it says that it is a Chinese cooked ROM. I've read somewhere else
that the cellular functions (and multimedia = camera, music, videos) might not be
working yet, but judging by the current progress, it probably won't be long until
this project gets completed.

It's still pointless to turn ur WP7 power phone into a medicore Android phone with worse batterylife, except just for fun.
The guy did this because in mainland China HD7 is cheaper than HD2.

Well, ok, i somehow agree, but i still think that having an option to do such a thing
(out of fun or whatever ones wishes may be) is not bad at all
Therefore i give thumbs up for this project!
P.S.
If you ask me, I would rather prefer a port to WM 6.1 or 6.5...

Besides the really bad joke-telling skills of the OP (word choice and spelling can make or break a joke), it's obvious Android on WP7 will happen eventually.
I don't know WHY -- what's the point? -- but it will.

Window phone mango 500+ Features.

So everyone, I have mango loading in my HTC HD7. Microsoft claimed that there are more than 500+ features, but so far I only see like 10 of them. Where are the rest?

Mango Features Listed
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-mango-features-fully-revealed

What sort of websites use HTML5? my bro says none of the good websites (e.g. sockshare, putlocker, megavieo) use flash
EDIT: Gonna rephrase this
Are the any websites that I can watch/Download shows off which use HTML5?

5minutes said:
So everyone, I have mango loading in my HTC HD7. Microsoft claimed that there are more than 500+ features, but so far I only see like 10 of them. Where are the rest?
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Oh please ..you see only 10 new features ???
Not another one of those uselless thread..

colossus_r said:
Oh please ..you see only 10 new features ???
Not another one of those uselless thread..
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ha, that's what I thought. When I read it.
Please lock the thread and move on...

Actually.. he's kinda right.. I know that the improvements are said to be 500. Okay, and this includes a thousand of news inside the system, wich we can't see, just in the future.
But i'm curious about all 500 features.

http://www.everythingwm.com/forum/threads/windows-phone-7-5-mango-full-feature-list.37799/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161

akuji_bwn said:
http://www.everythingwm.com/forum/threads/windows-phone-7-5-mango-full-feature-list.37799/
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Yeah, thanks.. But there is not 500 there.

5minutes said:
So everyone, I have mango loading in my HTC HD7. Microsoft claimed that there are more than 500+ features, but so far I only see like 10 of them. Where are the rest?
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I think too, no more like 10 features. MS lie, about 500+. AND WP7 will be epic fail. Time will go on, another OS (android, iOS) to go for really upgrade, but WP7 stupid at MS lie.

truevoxdei said:
I think too, no more like 10 features. MS lie, about 500+. AND WP7 will be epic fail. Time will go on, another OS (android, iOS) to go for really upgrade, but WP7 stupid at MS lie.
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Dude, there is pictures of Tango already. Dont spit bull**** like this if you know nothing.

mikeeam said:
Dude, there is pictures of Tango already. Dont spit bull**** like this if you know nothing.
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Ha ha... And then next version will be "stringo", dude. I know, MS very slow with from idea TO good stuff... in our fastest and hardest world. Competitors will never sleep. Remember it.

truevoxdei said:
Ha ha... And then next version will be "stringo", dude. I know, MS very slow with from idea TO good stuff... in our fastest and hardest world. Competitors will never sleep. Remember it.
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I know this very well. Because next year, WP7 is going to compete not with iOS 5, but with iOS 6. And with Ice Cream Sandwich. So MS should think straight and have some cards hidden in the sleeves, because Tango may be fine, but they need Apollo since this year, and Mango since LAST year.
Even more now with "Googlerola".

mikeeam said:
I know this very well. Because next year, WP7 is going to compete not with iOS 5, but with iOS 6.
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Ok. BUT MS have not some very important functions in WP7 still . All world wait it "important functions" in Mango. Expectations of many people were not met.

truevoxdei said:
Ok. BUT MS have not some very important functions in WP7 still . All world wait it "important functions" in Mango. Expectations of many people were not met.
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Mango is already out there. And to be honest, I dont think it was a mistaken leak. I think Microsoft intentionally leaked it. Anyone can install, like Apple jailbreak. You can just go ahead and read some tutorials. It's no hard.
Right now, I have mango, in Portuguese, running perfectly smooth. I don't need to use third party apps to Facebook, MSN, Twitter, LinkedIn. And most importand than have their own apps, it's integrated with the system and working better than any iOS/Android app would do.
It doesnt have customizations indeed, but who cares? Thread message is sexy, notifications are pretty nice, though it have some flaws. The keyboard is LOT better than Android's, even if its not swype. Tiles simply rocks, fast app switch could be better, but its better than Android too.
The user experience is a lot better overall.

truevoxdei said:
I think too, no more like 10 features. MS lie, about 500+. AND WP7 will be epic fail. Time will go on, another OS (android, iOS) to go for really upgrade, but WP7 stupid at MS lie.
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What do you expect from a 1 year member of the XDA and this is his 4th post ...
Man you are something...

akuji_bwn said:
http://www.everythingwm.com/forum/threads/windows-phone-7-5-mango-full-feature-list.37799/
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I count all of these features and they are still less than 100. It is still far from 500.

Most of the features are ones we do not see. Bug fixes, API updates, developer hooks and plug-ins, tons of stuff that we cannot physically touch or play with. That is until a developer takes advantage of the new features.
Once Mango comes out, you'll see much better apps on the platform, ones that are able to take advantage of many of 500 new features that Windows Phone Mango brings.

And that haters continue to hate for the sake of hating. Would you rather support the socially irresponsible company that makes overpriced under spec'd hardware and makes record profits while making NO charitable donations or even trying to help people in need, even those hurt in their own factories?!
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You are going off topic. Asking question about something is not the same as hating it.

truevoxdei said:
Ok. BUT MS have not some very important functions in WP7 still . All world wait it "important functions" in Mango. Expectations of many people were not met.
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that's politics. Your statement contains absolutely no content. You can easily replace MS with any other competitor and WP7 or Mango with any other OS.
what important functions?
what expectations?
many people? what does that mean? there are many people who don't like Android or iOS
if you want to make a statement then you need to use some facts. If you can't do that then you need to research. Otherwise I have to say that your post is off topic. Look at other posts in this thread in which the posters actually contributed something to the topic and the original post.