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Does MS get it ?? WP7

http://twitter.com/ckindel
Tweets:
"This author gets it: It's a challenge. Are we up for it? I think we are. Let us know if I'm right after MIX. http://is.gd/8WA4V "
Just maybe MS will get this right ?

From the little I know about Charlie Kindel and the brief video he did on Channel 9 I've got a good feeling that they'll nail it.

A difficult question that we won't know the answer to until MIX.
Right now, it seems like they don't get it.
They will be more than two years and 200.000 applications behind Apple when WP7 launches!
To catch up, they have to be much better. Simply copying Apple won't be enough, but it seems like that's exactly what they're trying:
Right now, they charge developers even more than Apple for access to the Marketplace.
Visual Studio, XNA, Silverlight are fine - but there's not much wrong with Apple's developer tools and both restrict the number of APIs that developers can use.
Apple has no multitasking, thus they could beat them with a great multitasking/task switching concept, like Palm's - but right now, it seems that they not only have no good concept, but might even copy Apple and have no multitasking at all.
They certainly have a few advantages, but will those be enough to catch up? I doubt it.

What makes you think that somebody needs to match the number of applications in AppStore to have an equal or greater market share?

vangrieg said:
What makes you think that somebody needs to match the number of applications in AppStore to have an equal or greater market share?
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Exactly. 139,900 of the 140,000 apps in the iPhone App store are complete ****.

@RustyGrom
Very good point.. there is clearly a point of saturation in the app market and I dont think anyone is willing to "try out" 10,000 apps (much less 100,000) to find one they need.. LOL
I just found the tweet to be rather confident... and almost teasing as to what is to come.. did peek my interest to say the least...
In addtion.. it is rather compelling to think I can be productive etc on my mobile device without installing 50 apps !

What makes this guy's tweet so important? Who is he?

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What makes this guy's tweet so important? Who is he?
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In charge of the developer ecosystem for WP7. If you want to complain about .net/XNA/Silverlight/multi-tasking/etc, he's the guy to complain to.

Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification. I think, however, that he's the wrongest guy to complain to if he's in charge of all this.

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In charge of the developer ecosystem for WP7. If you want to complain about .net/XNA/Silverlight/multi-tasking/etc, he's the guy to complain to.
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To be honest.... I dont think complaining now is going to help.. what they have designed is done... I doubt it will change significantly between now and release with respect to the development environment..
MS has traditionally had the developer environment pretty set... long before the beta/RC level.. so.. while they may have some flexibility with the primary developer environment vs more native enviroment (api's) I doubt there will be big changes..
I dont doubt there will be at least some dev upheaval .. because I doubt they will take the entire API and just hand it over..
I just have this curiosity.. that perhaps they have covered all the bases.. especially for devs... that remains to be seen...
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I'm not saying people SHOULD complain, just saying that if you must, he's your target hah. Don't waste your keystrokes on here because you'll just drive all of us insane.

I don't get those developers(since I'm not a developer maybe that's why). They moan about the difficulties of developing for multiple hardware specs etc. when it comes to WP7S. Doesn't the same problem exist for Android? Many different phones with different hardware specs, yet lots of apps. Is Android magic? Is that why it's not a problem for Google?
As for the other things like developer support, maybe Microsoft actually has the ability to change. So they did a piss poor job in the past, does that mean they have to do a piss poor job for eternity?
Personally I think some of those people have a grudge against Microsoft for whatever reason. If they don't wanna develop for WP7S then that's their choice. I'm betting there are many others who will.
Regards

Silverdragondk said:
I don't get those developers(since I'm not a developer maybe that's why). They moan about the difficulties of developing for multiple hardware specs etc. when it comes to WP7S. Doesn't the same problem exist for Android? Many different phones with different hardware specs, yet lots of apps. Is Android magic? Is that why it's not a problem for Google?
As for the other things like developer support, maybe Microsoft actually has the ability to change. So they did a piss poor job in the past, does that mean they have to do a piss poor job for eternity?
Personally I think some of those people have a grudge against Microsoft for whatever reason. If they don't wanna develop for WP7S then that's their choice. I'm betting there are many others who will.
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Exactly. All of the 'developers' quoted are actually executives at their respective companies.
Android does have a huge problem with fragmentation. Just look at Google's own newly released Google Earth app... it only works on the Nexus One!!!

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Android does have a huge problem with fragmentation.
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And they managed to create this mess in such a short time it's scary to imagine what else they can achieve in a couple of years.

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And they managed to create this mess in such a short time it's scary to imagine what else they can achieve in a couple of years.
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It's almost hysterical to me that they are making the EXACT same mistakes that Microsoft made with Windows Mobile. Yet, the tech press seems to love Android. But even they are starting to say 'WTF' when Google releases apps that are restricted to a small segment of their install base. The love affair is ending.

Why WP7 is 'failing'.

Or rather, not doing as well as I feel it should. This is just my opinion.
The answer is whiny developers.
From the beginning, all we've heard is 'MS didn't release this API, that's why we don't have x app by y developer'. And then time and again, so small time devs give us their version of the app mysteriously not needing said API to make it happen. Sometimes, it's even Microsft themselves shooting WP7 in the foot.
I'm no dev myself but doesn't it seem strange to you that:
1/. We have no official Google Maps app yet A to B maps and navigon exist?
2/. We have no facebook chat in our Facebook app yet Flory and FIM exist. Same for gtalk?
3/. Angry birds devs kept stalling and stalling yet some small timer brings us Chicks and Vixens?
4/. We can't have custom ringtones yet touchexplorer makes it as simple as copying and pasting to a different folder?
5/. No oifficial GoogleVoice app yet there are at least 4 decent attempts in the marketplace?
And the list goes on. Makes you wonder if:
1/. MS just released WP7 to stall for time until W8 which is supposed to be able to run on ARM and so doesn't really care how well W7 does aslong as they start gaining mindshare in prep for W8.
2/. Devs really want other OSes to do better and so aren't trying hard on WP7?
Don't give me that, not enough users BS. If your app becomes a hit, everyone will buy it or use it and cash money is cash money, no matter the user base.
3/. Are we really going to have to wait until Mango to get all the apps that really should be there now?
These are just the opinions of a WP7 user that doesn't really like having to defend his decision to buy WP7, an awesome OS being crippled by stigma against MS, ignorance on the part of vendors and laziness by MS.
Smooth transitions and a badass UI only take you so far.
MS needs to step-up their integration as well while I'm on my soap box. WP7 really does need to be better than WM6.5 in every way except stylus support IMHO.
Sorry to any I may have pissed off with this rant but I'm jetlagged and bored right now.
Have a good day.

I firstly don't agree that it's failing. On the contrary I think it's actually doing better than I expected.
I was sold on WP7 before it was even released, as I have always used WMx and despite it's love hate relationship, was confident Microsoft Knew what the hate part was and were going to get rid of it.
When Microsoft apply themselves, the results are often amazing.
The thing is they are big, like my employer, and the bigger they are the less agile they are.
Specifically to your points.
Devs complaining about this limitation vs that etc are real issues that even I encountered just trying to make a simple live tile battery/signal meter. The APIs just simply mean it can't be done in any realistic way. In time these APIs will become available and the spectrum of apps available will follow suite.
For large software houses to invest time and money in significant apps for the platform, they want to make sure they are going to get the same or better ROI as with another platform. The larger the firm, the slower they are to get their stuff together, but since the nokia announcement a lot of the big apps are looking twice at the platform and starting to make an effort.
Angry Birds developers, I believe, were always going to make a WP7 version, they just didn't like microsoft assumption/leaking of that.
WP7, on most accounts, is not failing. Perhaps it's your own frustration of why the rest of the world don't know how good it really I'd that makes you feel that way?
Just my 2c ;-)

I don't think it is failing, its just loyal WM users are hedging about a purchase (including me) because there's not a lot that they can do with the device as of this time. I personally think MS-Nokia partnership bodes well for the platform. I imagine Nokia porting a lot of their excellent apps to the WP7 platform (OviMaps using Bing data anyone? for all i care they could just use the ovimaps platform, its good as it is). I personally think its exciting and I'm looking forward to a Nokia device running WP7.

I guess it all depends on what your looking for. I dont need google maps, the preinstalled one works for me. I call/text/email all my friends or see them weekly so I could care less for facebook. I twitter a little bit but the apps in the market are sufficient. I keep my phone on vibrate most of the time but I guess it would be nice to use on sundays.
The only part thats needs some improvements to me are the browser, multitasking and I would love a remote desktop app. Thats the 3 things from android that I miss.

otech said:
I firstly don't agree that it's failing. On the contrary I think it's actually doing better than I expected.
I was sold on WP7 before it was even released, as I have always used WMx and despite it's love hate relationship, was confident Microsoft Knew what the hate part was and were going to get rid of it.
When Microsoft apply themselves, the results are often amazing.
The thing is they are big, like my employer, and the bigger they are the less agile they are.
Specifically to your points.
Devs complaining about this limitation vs that etc are real issues that even I encountered just trying to make a simple live tile battery/signal meter. The APIs just simply mean it can't be done in any realistic way. In time these APIs will become available and the spectrum of apps available will follow suite.
For large software houses to invest time and money in significant apps for the platform, they want to make sure they are going to get the same or better ROI as with another platform. The larger the firm, the slower they are to get their stuff together, but since the nokia announcement a lot of the big apps are looking twice at the platform and starting to make an effort.
Angry Birds developers, I believe, were always going to make a WP7 version, they just didn't like microsoft assumption/leaking of that.
WP7, on most accounts, is not failing. Perhaps it's your own frustration of why the rest of the world don't know how good it really I'd that makes you feel that way?
Just my 2c ;-)
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Don't get me wrong otech, I put the 'failing' in quotation marks for a reason.
I know it's doing a lot better than most expected. I just get pissed when I got to trollish blogs like engadget and see the hate spewed. I have no real loyalty to MS, just loyalty to quality which WP7 is.
It just annoys when devs say such and such can't be done, yet it is being done already.
ROI is a cop-out as they can simply make ad-based games or apps. Don't some apps make more money in Zune marketplace compared to Android marketplace?
Yet Android market share is humongous. And why do they feel the need to also publish some snide comment about how they just can't develop for WP7 because the interest isn't there? It just re-enforces my view that these devs are whiny brats.

Interestingly a Co-Pilot sat-nav guy, told me a few weeks ago that they will not be writing a program for WP7, seemingly they seem to think as the OP has stated that 7 is a holding ploy for the release of WP8. Now that really would be some sort of PR disaster to come.

failing?
lol, more and more of my friends are now useing wp7 phones..

I don't really see why we need conspiracy theories where there are simpler explanations.
The main problem with satnav apps is that they cannot be ported simply because there's no native code access. Sygic or TomTom or whoever will need to create and maintain a completely separate fork, with almost nothing being reused between their WP7 and all other versions. That's expensive, and with WP7's tiny userbase it just doesn't make any sense. It's very similar for hardcore games.
Microsoft could finance these projects, but for some reason they chose not to. One of the reasons may be that operators are quite happy selling their solutions for subscription. Navigon already did a satnav app for WP7, but they don't distribute it themselves.

1/. We have no official Google Maps app yet A to B maps and navigon exist?
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Unless your a delivery driver , do you really need google maps to find the local starbucks?
2/. We have no facebook chat in our Facebook app yet Flory and FIM exist. Same for gtalk?
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Please , let facebook go for a day ,Im sure not knowing your friends farted is eating you alive!
3/. Angry birds devs kept stalling and stalling yet some small timer brings us Chicks and Vixens?
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The game sucks
4/. We can't have custom ringtones yet touchexplorer makes it as simple as copying and pasting to a different folder?
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read this forum and learn, I have custom ringtone on my Focus , learn!
5/. No oifficial GoogleVoice app yet there are at least 4 decent attempts in the marketplace?
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You bought the phone , use it to talk , you still have to pay for the service , google voice is a joke!
1/. MS just released WP7 to stall for time until W8 which is supposed to be able to run on ARM and so doesn't really care how well W7 does aslong as they start gaining mindshare in prep for W8.
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SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY TO COME OUT WITH WP7 FIRST ,
2/. Devs really want other OSes to do better and so aren't trying hard on WP7?
Don't give me that, not enough users BS. If your app becomes a hit, everyone will buy it or use it and cash money is cash money, no matter the user base.
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how do you figure devs want other os's to do better ,I want them all to do good ,that means more money for me!
3/. Are we really going to have to wait until Mango to get all the apps that really should be there now?
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What apps are so important , the ones you listed above? My god go back to ATT
tell them you want an iphone and you dont want a windows phone or android "i want a phone that has what Steve Jobs Feels what I should have!
I would suggest not reading engadget or gizmodo , apple lackeys , they have nothing to say about android or wp7 thats worth reading

There is some confusion in this thread over Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8.
Yes, Windows 8 will be capable of running on an ARM processor. No, it does not make sense for a full blown OS to be running on your phone, even if it can, because it doesn't make a for a good small touchscreen experience. There would always need to exist two different marketplaces.
I have not heard anything more than speculation on Windows Phone 8. But I am certain that if and ever in the near future MS were to launch WP8, it would all be part of the same ecosystem. It would be suicide in this market not to continue compatability. Obviously at some point there will need to be a cut off in forward compatability, but I don't see that happening any time soon. Not soon enough to start regretting a WP7 purchase.

Vintage144 said:
Unless your a delivery driver , do you really need google maps to find the local starbucks?
Please , let facebook go for a day ,Im sure not knowing your friends farted is eating you alive!
The game sucks
read this forum and learn, I have custom ringtone on my Focus , learn!
You bought the phone , use it to talk , you still have to pay for the service , google voice is a joke!
SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY TO COME OUT WITH WP7 FIRST ,
how do you figure devs want other os's to do better ,I want them all to do good ,that means more money for me!
What apps are so important , the ones you listed above? My god go back to ATT
tell them you want an iphone and you dont want a windows phone or android "i want a phone that has what Steve Jobs Feels what I should have!
I would suggest not reading engadget or gizmodo , apple lackeys , they have nothing to say about android or wp7 thats worth reading
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Are you serious or did you just want to troll/have no reading comprehension skills?
1/. I'm not a delivery truck driver but I was trying to make my way around Germany last week and needed turn by turn navigation while trying to find a restaurant in town to eat at. I wonder what would've helped out...? Oh yeah!! Working maps outside of the US that provided voice guidance.
2/.This was about how WP7 is supposed to be FB integrated yet the apps are better on both IOS and Android. And I'm sorry you don't have friends to talk to from time to time that would make FB chat on your cell an asset since it's blocked by most offices.
3/. The issue of the whole article is devs. Not the quality of the games. Learn to read!!
4/. As do I. I indicated as much by telling you the method to get them with touchexplorer. I'm beginning to doubt your sanity...
5/. You really are a moron to not see the advantages of google voice. I have unlimited everything on my plan but that does me no good when I'm overseas, something I doubt you will ever have happen to you as I doubt people want your brand of ignorance exported.
6/. All capslocks sentences get no response.
7/. I don't think you're a dev if that's what you're implying.
8/. This makes no sense. I've never been on ATT. I don't like Android as it's a clone of 2 OS, wm 6.5 and IOS and the only other OS I've used extensively is Symbian besides wm6.5. Don't assume because you end up looking like an ass in the process.
My points are valid, devs have behaved like brats with WP7. Which has less limitations that IOS did back in the day yet they worked wonders for that OS.

lekki said:
4/. As do I. I indicated as much by telling you the method to get them with touchexplorer. I'm beginning to doubt your sanity...
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I did a search for "Touchexplorer" and Touch Explorer" in the market and didn't find any results.

rhory said:
Interestingly a Co-Pilot sat-nav guy, told me a few weeks ago that they will not be writing a program for WP7, seemingly they seem to think as the OP has stated that 7 is a holding ploy for the release of WP8. Now that really would be some sort of PR disaster to come.
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This seems quite a silly argument. Anyone with any knowledge of Microsoft history would know that it is highly unusual for them to break from a legacy platform. WP8 is likely simply be a natural iteration on the WP7 system.
To my knowledge MS has done exactly 2 legacy breaks in it's history. NT and WP7 that's it every other OS they've developed has been a evolution rather than a revolutionary break.
WP8 will just be WP7 with the NoDo and Mango updates might get some additional interface customization but I suspect it will be able to run on current WP7 handsets.
That's just the way MS does stuff. The hard compatibility break between WM6.5 and WP7 is just not business as usual for MS.
I think it's highly unlikely that any app written for WP7 won't work on WP8 when it finally materializes.

IMHO windows phone is like the iphone now. Wp8 will not kill wp7. It will be the same ecosystem and all users will be able to upgrade. Wether will it run or not on old devices i dont know but i dont think its reasonable to say they will kill everything they´ve done with wp7 next year. Windows Phone is not like Windows mobile. Forget the old microsoft. Things are different and better now (god bless competition).

Are you guys sure WP8 won't just be W8 stripped down?
It really seems like MS is really going to go hard with mobility in their next round of OS releases. Focusing on tablets and phones and building on that.

I wish people would stop treating phones like status symbols or popularity contests. Does the phone do what you need it to do? Yes.. buy it. No don't buy it.

pillsburydoughman said:
I wish people would stop treating phones like status symbols or popularity contests. Does the phone do what you need it to do? Yes.. buy it. No don't buy it.
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I'm sorry but your post has no relevance to this thread.
It's about whiny developers, not that my phone is the best.
I knew the limitations before it came out as did anyone else on this forum who did the smart thing and researched before buying.
I just don't like the developers smear campaign against WP7 and MS. I also don't like the blogs smear campaign against it either.

I wouldn't say its failing but the OS is still fairly new and its a slightly new experience compared to iOS, S60, and even Android.
As time goes on, with more support and more phones from Nokia, WP7 should gain some more popularity.

lekki said:
I'm sorry but your post has no relevance to this thread.
It's about whiny developers, not that my phone is the best.
I knew the limitations before it came out as did anyone else on this forum who did the smart thing and researched before buying.
I just don't like the developers smear campaign against WP7 and MS. I also don't like the blogs smear campaign against it either.
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Sorry your reply makes no sense.. and I quote
These are just the opinions of a WP7 user that doesn't really like having to defend his decision to buy WP7, an awesome OS being crippled by stigma against MS, ignorance on the part of vendors and laziness by MS.
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Nobody cares why you bought WP7, I can only assume you bought it because you wanted one. It's not a matter of attack or defending anything, I see no reason why you're bothered that you have to "defend" your decision to purchase something.
Funny how you complain about whiny developers yet you're whining yourself.

lekki said:
Are you guys sure WP8 won't just be W8 stripped down?
It really seems like MS is really going to go hard with mobility in their next round of OS releases. Focusing on tablets and phones and building on that.
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Even if WP8 will be W8, so what? All current APIs are managed code, applications can be transferred without even recompiling. Since there is no native code access it doesn't matter which core the OS will use.

A guy is porting Android to HTC7...

did you see this video from a guy that is porting android to the HTC7? its booting ok but almost anything works...
HAHA ITS NOT TRUT ITS A APRIL JOKE!!!! ITS DREAM
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Worst April Fool's joke ever. You should have talked about the upcoming collaboration between Apple and Microsoft for iTunes-Zune combination player, iTunZ.

don't quit your day job.
iZunes ftw.

No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.

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No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.
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I guess that's why they're trying to port Android to it.

orangekid said:
I guess that's why they're trying to port Android to it.
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so it lasts less ?

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No one wants a power-hungry crap OS on a phone that already has poor battery life.
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Doesn't seem like anybody wants the feature-lite successor to the Kin, either. Otherwise, why would MS be hiding WP7 sales figures?

Windows Phone 7
Windows Phone 7 is for smart people...

greenbrd said:
Doesn't seem like anybody wants the feature-lite successor to the Kin, either. Otherwise, why would MS be hiding WP7 sales figures?
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Because they've been admittedly poorer than they assumed they would have and because the general populace wants an iphone or something that can resemble an iphone because quite frankly they're all sheep.

The joke's on you
http://wmpoweruser.com/rumor-hd7-running-android/

rhn said:
The joke's on you
http://wmpoweruser.com/rumor-hd7-running-android/
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This seems pretty real. At first i thaught it was a HD7 Chinese replica phone,
but in the top right corner it clearly says T-Mobile. I did google translate on
the page, and it says that it is a Chinese cooked ROM. I've read somewhere else
that the cellular functions (and multimedia = camera, music, videos) might not be
working yet, but judging by the current progress, it probably won't be long until
this project gets completed.

It's still pointless to turn ur WP7 power phone into a medicore Android phone with worse batterylife, except just for fun.
The guy did this because in mainland China HD7 is cheaper than HD2.

Well, ok, i somehow agree, but i still think that having an option to do such a thing
(out of fun or whatever ones wishes may be) is not bad at all
Therefore i give thumbs up for this project!
P.S.
If you ask me, I would rather prefer a port to WM 6.1 or 6.5...

Besides the really bad joke-telling skills of the OP (word choice and spelling can make or break a joke), it's obvious Android on WP7 will happen eventually.
I don't know WHY -- what's the point? -- but it will.

I love WP7 but isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS?

Looks like Apple is taking what people love about every other OS and mashing up into one. That's just brilliant!
Sure they're copying plenty of stuff but the end users won't care as long as their phones do everything they want. Any thoughts?

I dislike the title of this thread. Espeically in a WP7 forum. If they are "copying" then it just shows how good the people are they are copying it from. iOS needed to keep up with the latest standards and its good to have competition.

comeradealexi said:
I dislike the title of this thread. Espeically in a WP7 forum. If they are "copying" then it just shows how good the people are they are copying it from. iOS needed to keep up with the latest standards and its good to have competition.
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+1 for this... .
If you are a fanboy then there is a forum in XDA for you ..Not here please ...go to the iPhone forum

Wow, are we not adults here? Can't we talk about what's good about an other OS? Really, wow...

that's just it save from notifications and text only browser, a lot of things are offered in wp7 mango natively...so what's the point? I mean the main problem I have is that apple is still app centric. Yes its finally doing a lot with regards to integration, but is it enough? I'm not sure
I don't mind having a discussion on this I bought my sister an ipad so the ios info is good for me to know...
In many ways it seems that apple has finally caught up to microsoft and google in terms of OS integration and consumer demand...only took 4 years
imho the notes system looks cluttered and gimmicky

lol
I saw the title of this and came by, really from my reading on this apple didn't show me anything that wp7 doesn't support natively or will. Its good they updated their approach keeps people on their toes but your title is wow.

Peew971 said:
Wow, are we not adults here? Can't we talk about what's good about an other OS? Really, wow...
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Yes we are ..your title its not ...just change your title m8..Really wow...

Can I just say I've never owned an iPhone or an Apple product for that matter and my last 3 phones have been Windows Phones. Still doesn't prevent me from seeing what others are doing right, the opposite would actually make me a fanboy.

Peew971 said:
Can I just say I've never owned an iPhone or an Apple product for that matter and my last 3 phones have been Windows Phones. Still doesn't prevent me from seeing what others are doing right, the opposite would actually make me a fanboy.
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You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...

I gotcha P
I have owned every major phone OS (Smartphone) in US, and WP7 just works for me I have had android and IOS both are great at what they do give me apps that do what I need at that time. Now to touch base with a couple of things we are all wrong in the respect of what is better for this guy is better for that. Everything is based on perception on how it feels to the consumer, and most comparisons on phone stuff is based on what someone shows us at a given time. I pleaded my case with Windows Mobile time and time again when I was with ATT and then the new Phone OS came out with features I already had, the biggest is (tethering) but people tend to go with whats cool and who is using what. Apples biggest advantage by far is accessories I buy one and it works on all my iphones, ipods, etc that is the only advantage I see apple having right now. (I hope this is still on topic I jabber alot)

Alright, can a mod just close the thread please, I can see where this is going...

nice Colossus
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You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
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well said apple does some great things but they also have the best marketing group on the planet, and that does change everything

colossus_r said:
You title says : "isn't iOS 5 The Ultimate OS? "
What is the ultimate m8??? The trend and the fashion ..not technology and inovation !!!
New new future presented today by Apple
1. The present today a camera button as a big news... OMG
2. The presen icloud as something new ...Guys skydrive or dropbox are on the market for some time now
3. The present today the notification system ...Woowww this is realy a breakthrough.
This is Apple guys...
Dont forget last year the told us for the fisrt time that there is something called copy paste and multitasking....
They are good ...but only on marketing and on creating trend and fashion...
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Actually, Copy Paste is there sincer iOS 3. 2 years from now. But I think they copied exactly Android. In a beautiful way, of course.
Still, I prefer Mango than iOS 5 (;
We just need some apps. And Mango, of course.

Peew971 said:
Alright, can a mod just close the thread please, I can see where this is going...
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I see what your saying about the iOS so know that one person fully agrees with you.
I don't see a problem with them copying anything? Really, what they are copying is exactly what they needed to make a well rounded OS. It would be very foolish of them to just look at what they need and push it aside. I say, iOS 5 is gonna be insane.
I would also like to add that I kinda predicted their new notification system in another thread on here. And yes, I do want a cookie

There's a lot of stuff WP7 Mango does that ios doesnt do- Threads that integrate your SMS, IM's, Facebook chat, People hub where you can see your history with a person including calls, texts, pictures, bing extras, local scout, native Office, Xbox live (8 new games here http://www.winrumors.com/8-new-xbox-live-enabled-windows-phone-7-games-revealed-at-e3/), IE9 with hardware acceleration - looking at ios5 I cant think of anything that it now has that really trumps Mango.
apple added features from other OS's but even then WP7's integration is second to none and still comes out on top for me.

I don't see much difference in terms of features between iOS5 and Mango (there are areas where each one is better than the other), but that's certainly bad for Mango. It's not enough to have feature parity with the leader to beat it, especially when media calls iOS5 "massive" and Mango "underwhelming".

I understand the sentiment and agree but dont think the title gave the thread much chance..
If its the ultimate there is no reason for anyone to buy any other device.

One thing is good though - it'll be much easier for Microsoft to explain what Windows Live is. Their Marketing and PR people should commit harakiri, I think. One cannot live with such shame.

Off topic: Windows Mobile had copy and paste and Multi-tasking since forever. So I don't know what all the praise for iPhone is/was all about. I also believe what Microsoft really needs to work on is their Marketing department. I think that's just where Apple beats them.
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iOS5 looks like a cracking upgrade for people who already own iOS devices, or are heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem. It's fan service, rather than something that will bring in new customers by the droves.
I've got to say though, it does tempt me back towards an iPhone. If they had a Zune Pass style music subscription service I might have made the jump with the iPhone 5, though there's a few other features I'd like to see. WebOS-style linking between phone and tablet for a start.
Mango looks like a stronger update, but starting from a weaker position. Microsoft also seem to lack a real platform currently. They've got lots of small projects going on, but it's a bit disjointed. My Windows Phone, Windows PC and Xbox 360 don't really play nice together and I'm yet to see a Windows Tablet that I want to buy. Windows 8 needs to hurry up...

Mango SUCKS...

What a disappointment and nothing from nodo works.......

Care to be more descriptive?

I really don't want to sound rude, but what in the world are you talking about. I haven't had a single MAJOR problem with it. I've had a few graphical glitches, but thats about it. Also, its a BETA release.

Sounds like somebody's not an actual developer and just flashed their phone over. Did you think it was September/October already?
No worries. I have a Delorean around here. I also have a troll slayer around here somewhere too.

Fullmetal99012 said:
I really don't want to sound rude, but what in the world are you talking about. I haven't had a single MAJOR problem with it. I've had a few graphical glitches, but thats about it. Also, its a BETA release.
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Totally agree, I just don't understand what people don't get about "BETA". That being said, there's a few features that aren't working yet & a few bugs, but guess what?!?!? This wasn't released for end users to test. It was released for Developers to be able to test their Mango Apps on a real device & not just in the Emulator. IMO, for a Beta, it's amazing, even better than NoDo.

Fullmetal99012 said:
I really don't want to sound rude, but what in the world are you talking about. I haven't had a single MAJOR problem with it. I've had a few graphical glitches, but thats about it. Also, its a BETA release.
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just let go,he tells BS...

For being a Beta missing some features that I didn't really intend to use, it's pretty amazing. I can see myself using this as a daily with beta updates until release.

Not seen any issues to speak of. Very fast and smooth some of the ne wbing features are awesome. Layout and people window is cool as is the pictures one. Only think not working is cant link my linkedin account or twitter yet.
Linked in just keep saying attention needed.

Probably a troll. It's been awesome for me so far. It even fixed my notification problem with AlphaJax.

just not impressed
not only did they do away with all our homebrew they didnt do anything that makes it better then it was or then the other OS's out there. Still just alot of little things that are missing. I think that they should put together an os that does all the stuff (simple things) you know that people buy 1 or the other smart phone for that reason... wow they would sell phones then. Not even gona go into those things you all know. There should be alot of things built in not third party.
Dont get me wrong I love windows phones and you guys that do all the coooooool thing with it, BUT U NO.......
Come on guys make people want WP7

list of things that dont work to long to list now

dawgmeat said:
What a disappointment and nothing from nodo works.......
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This sounds suspecioisly iNaive.

I'm just mad it didn't turn my phone into a literal mango because I was really hungry, WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT that's false advertising!

Wow, what a troll. Not a single useful piece of criticism, just flamebait.
My take? Out of all the OSs, it's the one with the most personality, most groundbreaking UI, best SDK, most enthusiastic userbase and most pottential, being the only one doing the DUH thing which is finding the sweet spot between IOS tyranny and Android anarchy. Not to mention Microsoft has the least assholish PR guys.
So, troll on...
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Sounds like you dont understand what BETA means you freaking idiot...
Its not the finished product so ofcource it isnt going to be perfect and not everything works..
My god!

dawgmeat said:
not only did they do away with all our homebrew they didnt do anything that makes it better then it was or then the other OS's out there. Still just alot of little things that are missing. I think that they should put together an os that does all the stuff (simple things) you know that people buy 1 or the other smart phone for that reason... wow they would sell phones then. Not even gona go into those things you all know. There should be alot of things built in not third party.
Dont get me wrong I love windows phones and you guys that do all the coooooool thing with it, BUT U NO.......
Come on guys make people want WP7
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What exactly doesnt mango do? Wifi tethering and video chat? Here soon wifi tethering will cost us an arm and a leg and video chatting is the stupidest fad to ever hit cell phones.
Fail troll is fail.

You're drunk.
Really, Mango is a great update, even in beta state. Multitasking and the promised, more fluid scrolling in third-party apps is not yet available because there are no mango-programmed apps yet, but aside from that, it's pretty amazing.
The few things i really miss: WiFi-Tethering and VPN.

I think we're done here, dont you agree?