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Is it worth to upgrade from II to IIs? Comments please.

I am considering upgrading from XDA II to IIs and since the price is steep because it's new, can i have some suggestion from previous Himalaya owners who upgraded to Blue Angel? Is it worthwhile to upgrade or should i wait?
Pros and Cons would be good.
Thanks in advance
Cheers!

lazzy said:
I am considering upgrading from XDA II to IIs and since the price is steep because it's new, can i have some suggestion from previous Himalaya owners who upgraded to Blue Angel? Is it worthwhile to upgrade or should i wait?
Pros and Cons would be good.
Thanks in advance
Cheers!
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Shame you cant buy it here in the UK as a new contract moving your number with you as I only paid £49.99 here http://www.scancom.co.uk/customer/product.php?productid=17024
And although we were only XDA I owners I do think its well worth the upgrade so much better I find than an XDA I

if you need :
1. WIFI
2. Keyboard
3. a BLACK PDA PHONE
Then upgrade to IIs.
I won't upgrade to IIs because
1. It's even heavier than II
2. The larger capacity battery don't help much
3. WM2003SE not really as great as you think
4. I don't need WIFI.
5. Why upgrade to a device with the SAME CPU, SAME AMOUNT OF RAM, SAME SIZE, SAME SCREEN ?
I will upgrade to HTC Magician / XDA II Mini / Qtek S100 / T-Mobile MDA Compact / Dopod 818 / Imate Jam / whatever you like ..

killercheung said:
if you need :
1. WIFI
2. Keyboard
3. a BLACK PDA PHONE
Then upgrade to IIs.
I won't upgrade to IIs because
1. It's even heavier than II
2. The larger capacity battery don't help much
3. WM2003SE not really as great as you think
4. I don't need WIFI.
5. Why upgrade to a device with the SAME CPU, SAME AMOUNT OF RAM, SAME SIZE, SAME SCREEN ?
I will upgrade to HTC Magician / XDA II Mini / Qtek S100 / T-Mobile MDA Compact / Dopod 818 / Imate Jam / whatever you like ..
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1) Don't really need WiFi now cause Macau doesn't have WiFi spots at all.
2) Keyboard will help me a lot in replying my e-mails and once Blackberry is available.
3) Not too concern with the color.
I know the rest is the same but i believe the internal RAM now is 96MB instead of 64mb in XDA II?

Nope
Hi,
Just sold my new MDAIII (same HTC Blue Angel as XDAIIs), and will continue to use MDAII. This is why:
1. The screen on MDAII is dreadful (yellowish, lower contrast, tiny viewing angle, must be used at full brightness (I use MDAII at lowest level) to achieve barely acceptable picture which nullifies the advantage of the higher capacity battery)
2. Wifi will not connect to Wifi networks with hidden SSID (SANDISK sd wifi on MDAII does this without problem (using newest socket driver)- which incidentally also has marginally longer range).
3. Keyboard is much slower to use than on-screen one, not to mention SPB full screen keyboard
4. BT radio has about 20% shorter range than on MDAII (using BTGPS for network access)
5. Needs very frequent resets. Particularily when connecting to different wifi APs and when switching between BT Network access and wifi access(BluetoothGPS works much better on the MDAII)
Given that the industrious contibutors to this site have provided us with screen rotation functionality (SRS) (as well as BT network access), the MDAII is still my choice by a long shot.
BTW 1.7 rom upgrade also offers FAX support.
The only thing that I miss is the "single column" IE browsing mode, but I'm hoping that someone will solve that too.
Cheers,
Martin

Should have read: The screen on MDAIII is dreadful

Im a little shock with what people are saying here.
I have a Imate PDA2K and I must say it is perfect! I had a P800 before and the things the P800 didnt have was:
Wifi
Keyboard
and these two things make a big difference for me. I have wifi at home and checking email on that is just perfect. Download attachments without worries of GPRS prices. The Keyboard means I can ride a bike and type and email at the same time with one hand where you could not do that on a PDA without a keyboard.
Screen I thought is perfect, well on mine is.
BT works fine for me.
Much of a muchness!
buy what you need

I know the rest is the same but i believe the internal RAM now is 96MB instead of 64mb in XDA II
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xdaII have 128
xdaI's came first in a 32MB later a 64MB version
not sure if xdaIIs only have 96MB but i'm pretty sure it have 128 like the xdaII[/quote]

I've had an MDAIII for a few weeks now and I can honestly say that I prefer my XDAII - The XDAII was a giant leap from the XDA. The MDAIII is a very small step, has many bugs and a yellow screen - wifi and bluetooth don't work properly and the keyboard is nowhere near as good as my original Nokia communicator. I got my MDAIII for FREE - I would definately not be happy if I paid a lot of money for it. My advice to anyone thinking of 'upgrading' would be to wait for whatever replaces this model. Hopefully the next generation of these phones will be 3G and have faster processors and really get the benefit of being truly portable wireless machines.

That exactly reasons why I am not going XDA 3. Plus, I think design is just ugly. I am looking forward to see Magician in person

I know it's a mtter of personal taste, but I think that the look of the MDAIII is not as 'sexy' as the XDAII.

Rudegar said:
I know the rest is the same but i believe the internal RAM now is 96MB instead of 64mb in XDA II
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xdaII have 128
xdaI's came first in a 32MB later a 64MB version
not sure if xdaIIs only have 96MB but i'm pretty sure it have 128 like the xdaII
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It's the ROM , not the RAM!
XDA II and IIs got 128M RAM.
However XDA IIs has more ROM then XDA II.
You'll have arround 15m ususable ROM STORAGE for XDA II, and 40m for XDA IIs.
With a XDA IIs, If you set 64m ram for storage , you'll have totally 100m for storage (64M Ram + 40M Rom).
The total rom size for XDA II is 64M, XDA IIs is 96M.

Spend time looking through the various issues posted here that are specific to the BlueAngel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=13057&highlight=
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=12693&highlight=
Poor screen, random soft resets...for me, problems with the microphone while phoning force me to recommend another device. It was something not mentioned in any of the hardware reviews I read (1 such being http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/5530.html), begging the question do these guys actually use the device before writing their remarks?

Personally I am going to wait for the XDA IIi due out early next year. Faster processor, better camera are a couple of things that are worth waiting for. However, I won't know until its out and some feedback (such as this here) is available .

I'm definitely in the UPGRADE camp, running my II side by side with the matt black wonder that is the IIs. BT & WiFi (I used sandisk sd on II) work so much better on the IIs & BT finally works properly with car kits.
The screens on the ones we have are fine & the software is far more intuitive.
the IIi will simply be the IIs functionality in a II case, yawn! I can't get my head around the idea that the II is better looking either, mine looks as old fashioned to me now as the Xda did when the II came out.
just swapped to using the keyboard and not its biggest fan so can't recommend it for that (couldn't get shift to work, I might actually have read the manual) so back to stylus/soft keyboard.
The IIs is also a bit heavier but I'm prepared to get my trouser pockets reinforced! I honestly wouldn't be happy going back to the II

was able to try out the xda3 for a month; hated it and switched back to my xda2...whew good thing i didn't sell her. for my reasons; same as mentioned by the dudes in this thread with emphasis on the useless keyboard...among other things (no offense to those who did get an xda3)
for the xda2s; definitely i won't get this unit. i was in hong kong last week and i was able to play around it with it. sure wm se is great but other than that i didn't see much improvements as compared to the present xda2...which didn't really justify the price it came with (6980 HKD). i'd rather wait for the xda2i (which is rumored to have a faster processor and a 1.3 mp camera). or even better; i'd wait for the xda4 since it's rumored to come out next year around june / july...or end of the year.
cheers

As i noticed the Xda IIi doesn't have keyboard, which i need the most. What i need the most is Keyboard and Wifi what i don't need is the camera (stupid thing for me) and processor doesn't matter.
So it's up to each one of you, buy what you need. You can't say something bad when you don't need them. That's why O2 releases 2 models IIs and IIi, is for me and for you ...

i just sold my xda ii and got a xda iis last week
personally i feel that iis is stable than ii as i experienced "blank screen"+"hard reset" many times with ii, but i haven't got this problem so far with iis for almost a week now (installed same software).
i really feel wifi is good and battery consumption is much lower than what i expected when using wifi, minimum it is much better than the sony ux50 pda.

don't xda 2 s. suck's
after using xda2,
i found xda 2s,
verry bad like the screen its i think 50% dull than the xda2, I mean when u tilt the phone side way or up and down u can see the colour change from yellow to white, this never use to happen in xda2 and the colour quality is also bad am curseing my self why did I upgrade???T
he jabra bluetooth which worked fine with xda2 dosen't work well with 2s lot of hissing,
i am really unhappy with the screen quality,
so guy's and gal's stick to xda2 and pray that xda3 will have a crisp and clear screen and the bluetooth will work fine,

hi, All
This is my XDA II NOW :
1.72.181 + blackberry + O2 Asia Style
SRS + SwitchSR program (the latest version)
AppSuiteXDAII
IIWPO
cooked with some Extended ROM XDA IIs (Thank's to **applecom)
WMP 10 Skin :wink:
a lot of program installed !!
I think my device is still the best PDA phone and no need to change with XDA IIs
cheers !!

How is your Artemis??

I have some quetion to ask.. since i'm going to purhcase this phone very soon.
1. How is the sound quality.. Ring volume.. good?, Loud?
2. Is their any lack or slow or bug errors ... in opening standard programs..
3. How is the GPS works? is this work well and fast?
4. Any other problems for this Artemis lately??
Thank you very much for your answer..
The reason is PPC, when is first launch always has some problem.. with normally can be fix by the next firmward, so i just want to make sure that this work well... (Not like ATOM when is first launched)

firstime911 said:
I have some quetion to ask.. since i'm going to purhcase this phone very soon.
1. How is the sound quality.. Ring volume.. good?, Loud?
2. Is their any lack or slow or bug errors ... in opening standard programs..
3. How is the GPS works? is this work well and fast?
4. Any other problems for this Artemis lately??
Thank you very much for your answer..
The reason is PPC, when is first launch always has some problem.. with normally can be fix by the next firmward, so i just want to make sure that this work well... (Not like ATOM when is first launched)
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1. Sound quality: I would give it a 3.5 out of 5. Reception is very good. Ring volume: excellent! Too loud for my taste in fact. I NEVER use the maximum setting because it is, well, too loud!!
2. Nothing significant regarding bugs. Speed is more than acceptable. I still cannot believe that it's using "only" a 200MHz CPU. It simply doesn't show. I guess this is due to excellent implementation on their part (AKU and all). Also it is VERY easy to overclock and get significant improvement (if you so desire...) but I haven't found this to be necessary.
3. The best GPS implementation I have ever seen. State of the art in my book.
4. I was looking to get Nokia N95 but I'm glad I didn't. HTC has hit the jackpot with this one I think.

I agree I hardly notice the difference between my shiny new XDA Orbit and my 2 yo XDA IIs, apart from not having to carry around a brick!
This was my biggest concern, top marks to HTC!

I have to say this thing blows the Exec out of the water. I got crashes when messaging, freezes while looking at pics, and a whole host of other little niggles with my Exec. The O2 XDA Orbit which I picked up yesterday has been an absolute beauty. It's a lovely size, really light, and the controls are very easy to use. The only thing I'm slightly concerned about is my battery has gone from 56% down to 6% in about 10min, which is a little bad but aparently is just my battery so changing that tonight.
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I have had the MDA compact III for a week now and I think its great, if you want a brick then its not for you... ok it could have done with 3g and wifi (I have had it confirmed through a friend who works for HTC that the wifi Chip (hardware) was removed on the MDA) but at the end of the day who turns on there wifi? I havent on any other device...
All in all you choose the device for your needs, I had a M3100 and got rid of that for this... my main needs are tomtom, e-mail and phone in the smallest form factor I can get.... this device does it!....I have two and my partner has one also ... got them from the t-mobile shop £20 for each phone then £15 a month and 6.99 for the Web and Walk .... Bargain!.
Mouse - I prefer the roller on the M3100 but I do like the inovation and have played a bit with it but I do like it.

It's awesome. I have the the HTC with Wifi, but also without Wifi it's an excellent device
All the points that you ask have a 5 stars for me, compared with my old HTC Himalaya
Nothing is perfect anyway, a cradle available is my desire

I am also seriously considering getting this phone. My only concern is reception and voice quality. Anyone who has used HTC Magician please compare phone function of these two phones?
Also, does this have a2dp?

Exelent
raven2000 said:
I am also seriously considering getting this phone. My only concern is reception and voice quality. Anyone who has used HTC Magician please compare phone function of these two phones?
Also, does this have a2dp?
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Reception is good gps faar out and voice quality better than the magician (s100)
Good Device (still trying to get rid of the t-mobile ****) using mda compact III with wifi. by the way the device supports RDS (many people where asking this on the forum so here's your anwser
When is the free unlock available and htc roms (tmobile roms are fully branded and hardreset softreset doesn't affect this much....

Just about perfect...
This phone is the best I have owned. I upgraded from a PDA2k and see no appreciable lag between that device's 400mhz and the 200 in this little beauty - other than Voice Command taking just a little longer to beep after button press. It plays video like a champ (although converted to divx) - but who uses non-converted video anyway? Too much space on the mem card!
My only desire is that the memory card would be easier to get to. Sending large files to the card via Usb or Bluetooth takes forever. I hate the fact that I have a card reader built right into my laptop and I can't make use of this functionality with my PDA without taking out the battery and lifting the sim card holder. I guess since it uses MicroSD and those cards are easily damaged, HTC figured that hiding it away would protect us from ourselves!!! Hey, deeper in the device means less dust, right!? Just get a 2 gig and forget about it.
I have noticed that the battery is a little weak; I had an extended battery on my 2k and it lasted forever - but talk about bricks!!! I see that they are making an extended for the Artemis too, but I am hesitant to bulk up such a remarkably perfect form factor.
By the way - I concur that the wifi is solid and the GPS is fantastic (and well managed by the OS). I can walk around INSIDE my house and not loose my fix!! As far as Rollr is concerned, it takes some getting used to, but after a while I now don't think I could live without it! Read on:
If anyone wants to try a great configuration, try this: Use Double Launcher 2.11 and you go from having 6 hardware buttons and 2 softkeys to having 16 functions available via button! DL doesn't see the start menu button or the OK button on the Artemis, but it will give you 4 options on each of the other four keys. I had Vito Buttonmapper on my 2k, but it didn't seem to function well on the Artemis. DL is much nicer on this device. Then I used the registry hack by travegliaesogno posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281487&page=2&highlight=mousemode to get the mouse mode to turn on using a button rather than the HTC icon on the Today screen. I used 40c2 (as this is the startmenu key which I never use for that function). The best thing is that the hack survives soft reset! Now I can get the mouse to appear within applications when I need it and make it disappear when I don't without having to minimize and go to the Today screen to activate/deactivate it!!! The mouse takes a little practice, and I wouldn't be surprised if the ROM updates for this device will make it run even more smoothly as time goes on.
I was really considering the Trinity when it became more and more likely that it would eventually have GPS, but now that I know the Artemis is as zippy as it is and my new love affair with Rollr, I'm glad I took the plunge with this lovely gadget! High marks, HTC!!!
Oh yeah,
raven2000 said:
I am also seriously considering getting this phone. My only concern is reception and voice quality. Anyone who has used HTC Magician please compare phone function of these two phones?
Also, does this have a2dp?
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Voice quality is excellent - no "sweet spot". Sounds good everywhere on your ear. Reception has been fantastic on Cingular in Virginia, USA. Sorry, can't comment on A2DP since I don't have bluetooth earphones yet. Okay, I'm done.

psargent, thanks for your mini-review, it was very helpful and removed my doubts about the device.

Thank you very much
Thank you very much for your coment on this Artemis..
So.. should say that this is the most perfect phone HTC ever build..
one more question, is this phone capable of 2g microsd?
Anyway i'll buy it.. wait until it release in THailand...

Yep, its a fine phone/pda. Ringer is loud, im glad to say, nice ringtones too, none of the normal crap tunes they put on all the phones these days. Tomtom seems slow to get the sats up but once it gets going its great. Its amazing what you can get on a 1gb card. I have 2 full length films and tomtom with space to spare. Unreal picture quality too. Well happy

I have the 2gig sandisk card from www.mobymemory.com and it works fine.

2 Gig Sandisk ULTRA also works well

jstubbings said:
...WiFi chip was removed on the MDA, but at the end of the day who turns on their wifi? I havent on any other device...
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I cant believe you just said that LMAO.

consono said:
I still cannot believe that it's using "only" a 200MHz CPU. It simply doesn't show. I guess this is due to excellent implementation on their part (AKU and all)....
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I havn't looked at this in detail but dont forget you can only compare the clock speeds of CPU's with similar architecture. Intel XScale chips usually have sky high CPU clocks (500MHz) but their architecture means a different CPU at 200MHz could potentially have more number crunching ability. One thing is for sure though more MHz = more battery juice.
Checkout the current crop of PC CPU's, Pentium 4's have clocked upto 3.8GHz but the new Core 2 Duo's running at 2.6GHz are way more powerful because of their architecture.
Its good to know that HTC's 3300 at 200MHz matches older 400MHz designs though so thanks for your input, I had been reading lots of posts about "BUT ONLY 200MHz - WHY!!?" etc etc I thought they were talking boll**ks now I know they were.

Network lock
Does anybody know if the O2 Orbit is actually locked to O2. I'm so tempted to go and get one right now, phone shop is only 10 minutes away, but i need to put a Vodafone sim in it.
Thanks for your help.
Paul

mine wasn't locked at all. orange sim worked with no probs...

FANTASTIC!!!!!! I'm off to get one right now ;-)

Got one tues without copilot but can't get gps to work, if you get one can you let me now if yours works vlad69uk? 02 say it only works with copilot!

P3600 or Touch Cruise ?

I have the chance to sell my P3600 and get a Touch Cruise but P3600 had served me well and I am very happy with it and especially with all the goodies (New Roms from all the Shefs make P3600 very valuable) .....
Dunno what to do.....
I have my hands also the touch Cruise but it feels like a cheap one and not as solid as P3600.... further more the screen of P3600 is a bit larger than Touch Cruise and the camera of Touch Cruise is kinda a bit slow to capture something that moves...... meh.... maybe a rom update will fix all these
I know touch cruise is better than P3600 performance wise but I bought P3600 when it released so I am a bit in touch with it ....
so if you were in my position will you sell your oldy P3600 ???

Hi,
It is your decision but in my opinion Cruise is better then P3600. it has the same processor but mor RAM and better camera. It's mor future then P3600.
Regards

No.
Wait a couple of months more for next generation of devices from HTC. It will be very interesting. P3600 is still very advanced PDA phone, Cruise is uglier, have bad video drivers, bad FM radio, loose buttons, inferior battery.

Very interesting informatios. Do You user this phone?
Regards

banesi said:
No.
Wait a couple of months more for next generation of devices from HTC. It will be very interesting. P3600 is still very advanced PDA phone, Cruise is uglier, have bad video drivers, bad FM radio, loose buttons, inferior battery.
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Do you have any idea what to expect from these new models?

No, I don't work for HTC or something, I just read and look what's going around, after iPhone launch the new revolution has begun, we can expect lot of goodies from HTC and likes, I guess it will be higher resolutions screens, slicker devices, just look at Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, everyone will try to beat it, and remember, it's built in HTC

I have/had the same problem too.
I have the opportunity to have a new phone with a discount because of my actual phone contract... But actually, none of the HTC devices convinced me really.
I was thinking to take a Polaris (which is better than Trinity: AGPS, RAM/ROM, FM)… But nothing really revolutionary.
When I changed my wizard to Trinity, this was a real big jump… And I want to have the same sensation.
Actually I am waiting for the Next HTC devices in September.

Cyrus Kourosh said:
When I changed my wizard to Trinity, this was a real big jump… And I want to have the same sensation.
Actually I am waiting for the Next HTC devices in September.
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Yeap I had also the Wizard and changed it to Trinity and indeed that was a big jump...
I played a bit with the Touch Cruise this weekend but didnt feel any BIG difference ...
Anyway I think I will wait a bit for the next release of HTC ... or maybe go for another model if HTC don't improve their pda ...
btw are you sure that next release of HTC devices will be in September ?

wolfmenace said:
btw are you sure that next release of HTC devices will be in September ?
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Not sure
But... As I remember:
The 2.5" with keyborads came around August-Septemer (Wizard, TyTN, TyTN-II)
The 2.5" inches without keyboard came around 3 months later (S200, Trinity, Polaris)

Oh my god...is it our next beauty....
http://www.nvidia.com/object/hh_games_demos.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html

wolfmenace said:
Yeap I had also the Wizard and changed it to Trinity and indeed that was a big jump...
I played a bit with the Touch Cruise this weekend but didnt feel any BIG difference ...
Anyway I think I will wait a bit for the next release of HTC ... or maybe go for another model if HTC don't improve their pda ...
btw are you sure that next release of HTC devices will be in September ?
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Interesting. I sold my wizard 2 weeks ago and i bought the next day Trinity.
Trinity is a great pda and i am going to use it for 1 year or so. Until the next generation of HTC with same functions, vga screen and hopefully next generation of batteries( i read about 10x boost on lion batteries 2 months ago).

Keep trinity
I have trinity for more than a Year, and the touch cruise is the first device that would make me think twice before buying trinity. But if you have a trinity, just stick with it... Touch cruise is the main reason for not having official WM6 for Trinity, because Trinity with WM6 is almost as good as Touch Cruise. Think for a while what are the extra features that you really need from Touch Cruise:
The extra RAM?
The extra ROM?
The extra resolution on the camera?
And remember you would lose this:
1500mA battery.
The mini SD (higher capacity than micro SD).
So If you have a Trinity keep it as long as it works fine. If you don't have a Trinity maybe you should choose Touch Cruise, because it comes with WM6 and all the HTC apps right out of the box.
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Forgot these extras:
Radio FM
Faster GPS
The mini SD (higher capacity than micro SD). <-probably not higher but cheaper and you will not be able to use the card you have on touch.

I think I will have to wait for the next gen of pdas like the Nvidia one
http://www.nvidia.com/object/hh_games_demos.html

@n0t: Do not forget: AGPS + RAdio FM
@wolfmenace: I do not think that we will see HTC device like this before at least two years...

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And remember you would lose this:
1500mA battery.
The mini SD (higher capacity than micro SD).
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You have got to be kidding about the size of storage cards!!.....Please show me a link to a mini SD card with more than 4Gb storage. MicroSD cards are out in 8Gb/12Gb versions.....
Regards,
theknf
Black Trinity
MARY 3.3.5 SL / 8Gb SanDisk MicroSDHC

theknf said:
You have got to be kidding about the size of storage cards!!.....Please show me a link to a mini SD card with more than 4Gb storage. MicroSD cards are out in 8Gb/12Gb versions.....
Yes, this is true. I'm using a 8gb microSD in my Trinity with a miniSD adapter. I've tried many cards and this is the most reliable card I've ever used in my Trinity.
I think if you already have a Trinity, there isn't much in switching to a TouchCruise, unless you must have it, then why not. If you are just coming to the game of these mobile devices then do the price/performance comparison. Either one of these devices are near the top of the pack...for now.
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trinity versus polaris
I have had the 2 devices for testing purpose.
The trinity is great
The polaris is greater BUT not enough to sell a trinity and buy a polaris.
The more interesting thing is the agps wich enable the gps to have a lock 3 or 4 times faster than trinity.
On the cons, the buttons and wheel are far more eeeehhh, difficult to say for a non englishman as my english is far from perfect but let says "far more reachable" so you can touch them without wanted it and in your pocket you must be sure that the buttons are locked.

Comparison tests
Are there any perfomance comparison tests online between the two units (with WM6 on trinity)?

The NVIDIA's look promising, but also look at the iPhone.
I have had the Trinity for over a year (after a Wizard,) and thought it was possibly the best phone available then. But after my wife got an iPhone few months ago, I've been feeling a bit primitive. I have not traded my Trinity, only because I actually use the GPS when traveling.
The iPhone is just so much more usable, it's not funny. The screen is great and it doesn't make my eyes blurry after looking at it (like the Trinity,) and the UI is just light years ahead.
If the next iPhone gets a real GPS, there will be no contest.

samsung omnia

ive just notice that samsung have brought out a pocket pc device called the omnia. its got a 600 mhz processor and somewhere around 128mb memory. comes with wm 6. they come in 2 versions 8gb and 16gb. wondering if this device will be suported here and worked on for custom roms. ive had a shot of one and found it to be a bit sluggish with samsungs rom. my wizard is much more responsive than the omnia (with all the tweaks ofcoarse.
im due an upgrade on t-mobile in december and i really like the phone, but only if i can ditch samsungs rom and replace it with a custom one.

veda_sticks said:
ive just notice that samsung have brought out a pocket pc device called the omnia. its got a 600 mhz processor and somewhere around 128mb memory. comes with wm 6. they come in 2 versions 8gb and 16gb. wondering if this device will be suported here and worked on for custom roms. ive had a shot of one and found it to be a bit sluggish with samsungs rom. my wizard is much more responsive than the omnia (with all the tweaks ofcoarse.
im due an upgrade on t-mobile in december and i really like the phone, but only if i can ditch samsungs rom and replace it with a custom one.
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Old info mate
Perhaps this thread can help you: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400313

[Q] Is the HTC M8 a good upgrade?

Hello,
First of all, I'm sorry if this isn't the part of the forum that I should put this question on.
I want to change my phone, coming from a galaxy s2. I need your help, I can't decide if the HTC M8 is enough of an upgrade or should I go for the galaxy S6.
Can you please tell me your experience with this phone? (gaming, battery life, photos, roms development)
I mostly use the phone for games, web browsing, music and some productivity apps.
So is HTC M8 a good choice due to its price ? or I should go with an other phone?
Thank you for taking the time to help me in my dilemma.

No one can answer your question for you, since only you know how are you using your phones and what are you looking for in a phone.
In my personal experience, the M8 is an excellent phone. Compared to S2, it's from another planet. Compared to S6 - I don't know, I did not have a chance to play with S6. Sure, the edge gimmick is neat, but then the top of the line variant goes for as much as 1300 Euros, ouch. I don't think I will ever pay that much for a phone, I mean you can get a good TV or PC for less.
So, if you don't care about the price, then sure you can try the newest toys, but if you are minding your budget, I would say that the M8 is a perfect upgrade from S2.

As said above!!! Compared to s2; m8 is a beast.
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M8 all the way dude! It feels and looks so gorgeous! It runs like a beast! I just got it and have absolutely NO issues with it so far. Also, you've managed to run the S2 all the way up until now? Wow. That's amazing. I tend to upgrade once a year.

i change my phone every month
i had the note 4 i got this m8 after using note 4 for one month
the m8 is fantastic phone i will keep it wile
i am waiting for beast htc one max 2
i love huge 6 screen

I'm also wondering to buy M8, but don't know if it is possible to move application data onto SD card without root?

smoke2 said:
I'm also wondering to buy M8, but don't know if it is possible to move application data onto SD card without root?
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No is not...

smoke2 said:
I'm also wondering to buy M8, but don't know if it is possible to move application data onto SD card without root?
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That depends on the application. Some apps can be moved to the SD card, for some this option is greyed out. Some can write their data onto the card, others have hard time with it. As far as I know, it's not specifically the M8 issue, it seems to be the general Android thing.

unifex_ said:
That depends on the application. Some apps can be moved to the SD card, for some this option is greyed out. Some can write their data onto the card, others have hard time with it. As far as I know, it's not specifically the M8 issue, it seems to be the general Android thing.
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On older Android versions (for example 2.3) I could in Settings -> Applications move only Data (of some game) on SD card.
Is it now again possible?

smoke2 said:
On older Android versions (for example 2.3) I could in Settings -> Applications move only Data (of some game) on SD card.
Is it now again possible?
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No, I haven't seen such an option on my phone. Some apps allow you to change their data storage location from within the app though.

You can`t write to the external Sd card on kitkat+ (you can with root), but apps will install onto your internal storage anyway and they need to have an option built into the app itself to transfer the data to your external sd. If you like gaming, I would advise you get the 32gb m8 since my 16gb m8 only has about 5gb free even after a factory reset. As far as the m8 vs s6 debate, why wouldn`t you get the s6?, I really enjoy using my m8, sense is super smooth, visually pleasing and batterylife stretches into the second day with average use, but the s6 is a newer device and it`s shaping up to be a very good package. Notably the camera is undoubtedly better than the m8, and even the low light is pretty outstanding, its only downfalls are batterylife and it`s lack of a micro sd slot, but the battery should get you through a full day of use. Overall it`s your choice but you might feel more familiar with touchwiz since you already own a samsung device, though if you really enjoy gaming and movies, the HTC might be superior with better batterylife, speakers (I never realized how much of a difference stereo speakers could make, but now it`s hard to imagine not having them!) and headphone out quality.