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Considering changing from a PDA2K to the JAM

Hi folks,
I'm considering switching from the PDA2K to the JAM - has anybody else done this ?? If so, what are your impressions?
I've been a user of the XDAII for 18 months now and switched to the PDA2K in November. Even though the new model has a keyboard/Wi-Fi etc.. I find the device unreliable and awkward to work with.
cheers
Russ

rscott,
I am in almost exactly the same situation as you. I used a XDA II for about 10 months and then switched to the PDA2K. I really do like it, but I think the processor should have been upgraded to the latest generation even if the speed wasn't boosted up. Mine pauses quite a bit between switching apps, but it has been quite reliable.
I am actually evaluating an imate JAM right now for Geek.com and am really loving the size and speed of the device. WiFi isn't that important to me because I have other devices with it and can always add it with a card if I need it. I only use WiFi at home so it is more of a convenience. I think I would miss the memory capacity, but Pocket PC Techs does offer a 128MB upgrade so that is an alternative.
I do use the thumb keyboard for much of my text entry though and think I would miss that functionality. I may just hold out for the MDA IV with faster processor and improved camera that will undoubtedly be coming sometime this year and maybe with the Windows Mobile 2005 (Magneto) operating system.

Yes, I find my PDA2K seems very slow at times. Switching applications the screen redraw reminds me of the early WinCE devices. Considering this machine is practically the same spec as my XDAII I would've thought there would be little difference in performance.
My unit also seems unresponsive and sometimes just seems to sit there 'thinking' after I have done something. Quite often I give up waiting and perform a soft-reset.
When I first saw the PDA2K it was the keyboard that made me part with my cash. However, I find that I rarely use it. Maybe I have become so used to using the on-screen keyboard I forget to use it.
As for Wi-Fi, the only place I can use it is at home. Maybe it is a feature I'll use more in the future but for now I don't really use it as much as I thought I would.
It is for these reasons why I am considering the Jam. I think I can live without the keyboard and Wi-Fi, but will gain a device that is much smaller and can fit in a pocket.
So, I am very interested to hear the results of your evaluation!
cheers
Russ.

To solve your speed problems...
How about using XCPUScalar? I'm using it, overclocking my XDAII with 530mhz. Everything is nice and smooth.
I also upgraded my XDAII to WindowsSE, so except the form factor, I don't see any advantages in the JAM at this moment. I would run out of space on the JAM, so I will be sticking with my good old new XDAII.
I will be evaluating the scene and the new models to come out...

Well, I finally gave in and bought a Jam from Expansys which should be here tomorrow
The missus works from home and sends/receives a lot of email. At the moment she is trialling my old XDA II to see if that would help her keep up to date when out of the 'office'. So now she can have the PDA2K as the keyboard will be great for all the typing etc..
I'll have the Jam, and 'borrow' then PDA2K when I need a fix of that ;-)
Just got to get rid of the XDAII now.
cheers
Russ.

Strange. I don't have slowdown problems at all. Maybe u guys should learn installing a decent operating system with ur softwares, and keep tryin usin wm2003se compatible softwares. Ur waiting for magneto? Firstly i would advise a step by step how to configure our mobile device training.
Cheers

Guest...this would be very interesting...where can we find that sort of training?...I have the I-mate JAM and on the original ROM there are some applications I will never us...so I want to uninstall them...:roll:
regards,
Primoz

My PDA2K definitely experiences slowdown, and this is with no other software installed !
The only thing I have done is upgrade to the latest official ROM. So there must be something inherent in the device that is causing this.
cheers
Russ.

I have been using my XDAIIs for about one month. I find that its performance is similar to XDAII (upgraded to 2nd Edition) as anticipated.
However, (this is only my personal experience), I do not install much software in my device by only chinese platform software, handmenu, tweak 2.41, batterymon (a battery indicator on the tray bar) and pocket informant leaving about 93mb on my main memory. Other software such as pocket genius dictionary and games are installed in storage card. I do not use any other software for today plug in too.
I am using Pocket Hack Master 3.04 lowering to 298MHZ with 133 and 133 memory speed.
I also do not adjust the memory allocation between program and storage (let the device to decide - usually half and half)
The result is that my XDAIIs is very stable, sceen run speedy (even faster than 400MHZ without PHM 3.04.....
In the past, I adjust PHM to 472, 199 and 236 (max speed I think), it is fast too but not as good as those mentioned above in terms of stability and battery life, also always hangs too....
I also noted that every device needs time to learn (After soft reset), so try to open those application and close it (I meant actually close, not just click X), it seems the device will memorise it... I noted that after doing this exercise, the total memory available will drop to about 81-88Mb....At this state, this is the most stable state of my device....

Hi guys,
I used PDA2K for 2 months, but then I decided to buy JAM as soon has been available.
The form factor is absoultely prevalent (it was not so evident from the photo on web) !! I use it everyday on work, and it stays in my pocket like a phone; completely different.
I used rarely the keyboard on PDA2K, so I didn't suffer for this; same for Wi-FI.
I think JAM is the real convergent device.
The only "minus" is the sensibility of the touch screen (on Jam is less sensible, so it is more difficult to tap with finger).

Hai ragione italos :wink: U R rigtht...the touch screen should be a little bit more sensitiv...I have got a SE P900 before and it was much more sensitive than on the JAM. How about the LED indicator?...I have noticeted when I have a new SMS in "sleep mode" it is always green and not yellow (red) as it should be!...
regards,
Primoz

no doubt that anybody who holds the PDA2K and the Jam (or XDA2 mini - as i have) will go for the jam. I can tell you that in my last company event event where I had my mini - 3 PDA2K deceided to replace + I already bought two units to new users.
the PDA2k is simply too big and slow - wifi? most of us I guess are XDA2 owners (as I am) so we have the wifi card and if not then 70US and you ahve it.
Furthermore the camera is much better and the form factor? well it's already been said....
One important thing that I 've noticed is teh battery life - much longer than the XDA2 - I guess because of teh small screen.
Udi

I heard that apart from the size of sceen saves some power for the mini, smaller memory size of mini does contribute to its longer operations time.

Sold the BA and bought a Wizard, I am happy now!

I am so happy.
I sold my BA for a Wizard, no echo, great BT and more stabil.
As an early adaptor, the concept of the BA was great but technical not perfect. I am glad to see the Wizard has improved compare to the BA.
It's smaller and the screen is smaller, but the keyboard is better.
Regards,
Max

Me too, much happier now!

Wizard vs BA
Can you comment on,
Radio, less dropped calls?
Robust, is it still mostly plastic?

Same for me. The Wizard is what the BA should have been.
It actually works as a phone !!! (you receive calls, people can here you, you don't get half the signal compared to other phones, etc...)
The WIFI and BT are also working fine, and WM5 is definetly better if you want to use it one handed.

i agree to all of you regarding the difference. ive got the blue angel and wizard and im still using them both. the wizard is more stable and reliable but not a good choice for synchronization, still got a problem on synchronizing. i hope they can solve this. ive tried everything based on the forum discussions as well. but wizard is mostly handy especially when i go out in the pub.
i still use the blue angel because it has a big screen. very useful for work and for teaching. the os is more stable and more compatible (comparing from w5 and w2003se) to other third party applications. and considering the discussions of others why they upgraded then decided to downgrade it.
there were lots of issues and stuffs really thats almost endless when you read the forum. so its up to you weigh the advantages and disadvantages.
screen is a big deal for me but the stability and battery life and memory to keep from missing as well. thats why i like them both. :lol:

OOOHHH how I envy you guys who got the Wizard :roll: !!! A little more praise on the wizard and im gonna get on myself :lol:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=229154#229154
Theres a review by... me!
Later; Lew

I just did the same (and sold my BA on this forum).
I advise you all to do it (or better, wait for the P990).
Wizard:
+Works as a phone 100% of the time
+No 'silent' calls
+Bluetooth/wifi work
+OS is much faster (especially with overclock)
+Small enough to carry around and use withoout looking a tit
+Again, it works... I cant stress this enough.
+I have only had to soft reset once in a week, and that was my own fault for putting dodgy apps on.
+WM5
+Camera is exceptional, I'd say better than a Samsung D600 camera, and it has a light on it (although its a bit weak, but hey!)
-Can't change keyboard repeat rate (although theres prolly a registry hack)
-Wireless G is by hack only for UK customers, and then it screws it up
-Media player ANY button turns the screen on. A bit annoying when trying to skip track in your pocket.
-Struggles to play hi bitrate vids, but the smaller screen means you dont notice lower bitrate AND overclocking helps alot
-MSN on WM5 has alot less featrures, meaning annoying notifications interrupting me telling me my contacts are signing in literally every 5 seconds.
-WM5 insists on Activesync 4, which syncs over TCPIP and kicks me off my wireless network for a few seconds whenever I sync, interupting any downloads
-Activesync 4 hads no backup/restore facility, although 3rd part software manages
BA:
+Better Bluetooth management (although it rarely works
+Easier to dial on without needing a stylus eg. in the car
+Plays Media Better
-****E phone
-Impractical
+Uses SD cards, which I'm sure most of us have heaps of, and are a bit cheaper than mini SD
basically, buy the Wizard. It's worth it. You can use it without having to arse about with ROMS all day. All I did was change the (already unlocked/unhidden) Ext. ROM.

after this thread, no ones gonna buy my BA in this forum.. :lol:

lol, i just wrote a reccomendation to do this as well. Count me on the list within the next few months.

Hm. 200 MHz CPU just doesn't cut the mustard for me.
I'm very happy with my BA - I don't understand what anyone could mean by poor quality this and that. All the functions of my phone/pda are working as I might have expected them to. (The camera does suck, but I expected it to, but there have been many reports that the 1.3 megapixel cam of the Wizard just isn't so, and sucks as well.) I can only imagine that people are dropping or manhandling their BAs to be so fed up with them. I have had NO problems AT ALL with my BA once upgrading to 1.40 ROM and 1.15 radio.
BA has standard SD/IO slot. Does the Wizard's mini-SD slot double as IO? I find that almost as important as the 400 MHz CPU.
I actually like/use the BA keyboard. I like its higher resolution screen. I do find its buttons useful when coupled with 3rd-party software to customize them.
Windows Mobile 5.0 is as good as useless as far as I'm concerned. For one thing, it won't run executables or .cab files unless they are signed. (You can't install your own root certificate for security purposes, for example.) Far more software I find essential is compatible with Blue Angel, as it's got WM 2003SE Phone Edition in it.
If I had hastily bought the Wizard, I'd be here trying to make a swap with a Blue Angel owner, but I carefully considered the Blue Angel and the Wizard before making my purchase, chose the BA, and have been very happy to have made the right choice for me.

for those of us with the BA.. before you jump ship I suggest you wait just a bit more for the new AKU2.3 ROM to be been fine tuned as I think then you will see the advantages the Wizard guys speak of will no longer be the case

sub_rosa25 said:
Hm. 200 MHz CPU just doesn't cut the mustard for me.
I'm very happy with my BA - I don't understand what anyone could mean by poor quality this and that. All the functions of my phone/pda are working as I might have expected them to. (The camera does suck, but I expected it to, but there have been many reports that the 1.3 megapixel cam of the Wizard just isn't so, and sucks as well.) I can only imagine that people are dropping or manhandling their BAs to be so fed up with them. I have had NO problems AT ALL with my BA once upgrading to 1.40 ROM and 1.15 radio.
BA has standard SD/IO slot. Does the Wizard's mini-SD slot double as IO? I find that almost as important as the 400 MHz CPU.
I actually like/use the BA keyboard. I like its higher resolution screen. I do find its buttons useful when coupled with 3rd-party software to customize them.
Windows Mobile 5.0 is as good as useless as far as I'm concerned. For one thing, it won't run executables or .cab files unless they are signed. (You can't install your own root certificate for security purposes, for example.) Far more software I find essential is compatible with Blue Angel, as it's got WM 2003SE Phone Edition in it.
If I had hastily bought the Wizard, I'd be here trying to make a swap with a Blue Angel owner, but I carefully considered the Blue Angel and the Wizard before making my purchase, chose the BA, and have been very happy to have made the right choice for me.
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a. you forget that it's dual core 200 mhz and not only does it easily outperform the BA but also withstands higher overclocking.
and b. I'm writing this from the wm5 perspective. I've been running the BA on wm3 for a few weeks now and it runs fantastic! But i've come to realize that if i want all the features of wm5, i'm going to have to sacrifice speed unless i upgrade my hardware.

Dual core means nothing in this cell phone. One core is for the PDA, one is for the phone. Your effective speed is still gonna be 200mhz. So if your planning on doing something CPU extensive (eg emulation), your gonna have a rough time. I can play SNES games at almost full speed on my BA and FF7 at about 75% speed. Can a Wizard do that?

I find the Blue Angel (IIs) to unreliable and I am changing to the Tytn (Jasjam).

caloy said:
i agree to all of you regarding the difference. ive got the blue angel and wizard and im still using them both. the wizard is more stable and reliable but not a good choice for synchronization, still got a problem on synchronizing. i hope they can solve this. ive tried everything based on the forum discussions as well. but wizard is mostly handy especially when i go out in the pub.
i still use the blue angel because it has a big screen. very useful for work and for teaching. the os is more stable and more compatible (comparing from w5 and w2003se) to other third party applications. and considering the discussions of others why they upgraded then decided to downgrade it.
there were lots of issues and stuffs really thats almost endless when you read the forum. so its up to you weigh the advantages and disadvantages.
screen is a big deal for me but the stability and battery life and memory to keep from missing as well. thats why i like them both. :lol:
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I don't really agree. First of all, BA is much faster compare to slaggy Wizard. However as it is mentioned the size is smaller and a better keyboard. That make a good choice. For signal / radio wise, I would say "it depends on your network provider". I didn't have any signal drop while using my BA. For Wizard, so far no complaint but the speed is really slow which you have to bear with it if you really want to have it.

Sorry but prefer Blue Angel
I might be in a minority here, but 15 months ago parted with my Blue Angel and got a Wizard. At first I loved its size, then found I struggled reading e-books on it, or anything which required a larger screen. Also it was FAR slower (200mhz) and appliances took a lot longer to open up (reboot takes twice as long). Tried overclocking it which did work, but to be honest people moaned I sounded Tinnie on the Wizard, something they never did on the Blue Angel. Other things I found hard to put up with the wizard was the smaller memory allocated and the finish was poor - varnish started flaking after bout 6months, even though I kept it in a case (I have an XDAII which is far older, has seen far more use and has lasted far better! Also WM5 can be very fussy about which programs can be downloaded to device. I know it has its faults, but I look upon the Angel as a PDA with a phone attached (which I mainly use for Internet & email), whereas the Wizard feels like a Phone first and a PDA second. Suppose it depends what you value most and how conscious you are in putting a brick to your ear. Personally I am too old to give a toss what people think, it suits me fine.
Needless to say I got rid of the Wizard and have got a Blue Angel Back and am now Happy again.
The only thing I miss on the Wizard is the keyboard which I must admit was far superior to the Angel.
Still each to their own, but I prefer Blue Angel with all its faults!

kwaknok said:
I might be in a minority here, but 15 months ago parted with my Blue Angel and got a Wizard. At first I loved its size, then found I struggled reading e-books on it, or anything which required a larger screen. Also it was FAR slower (200mhz) and appliances took a lot longer to open up (reboot takes twice as long). Tried overclocking it which did work, but to be honest people moaned I sounded Tinnie on the Wizard, something they never did on the Blue Angel. Other things I found hard to put up with the wizard was the smaller memory allocated and the finish was poor - varnish started flaking after bout 6months, even though I kept it in a case (I have an XDAII which is far older, has seen far more use and has lasted far better! Also WM5 can be very fussy about which programs can be downloaded to device. I know it has its faults, but I look upon the Angel as a PDA with a phone attached (which I mainly use for Internet & email), whereas the Wizard feels like a Phone first and a PDA second. Suppose it depends what you value most and how conscious you are in putting a brick to your ear. Personally I am too old to give a toss what people think, it suits me fine.
Needless to say I got rid of the Wizard and have got a Blue Angel Back and am now Happy again.
The only thing I miss on the Wizard is the keyboard which I must admit was far superior to the Angel.
Still each to their own, but I prefer Blue Angel with all its faults!
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Yes...i love my Qtek 9090 too... Wizzard (qtek 9100) is smaller...its true....but i dont want a small and slow PDA with phone....i want a powerfull PDA with phone.
I dont have any problem with phone (radio 1.15 and 1.12). Bluetooth is working well to. I have 2 Qtek 9090, one is runnins W2003SE and other is running WM6 (helmis_c version). Wireless is working well too (battery goes down fast, but works great).
I Love keyboard of Qtek 9090. For me, is beter than Qtek 9100. Its beatifull (all blue) and the position (on vertical) is better than horizontal keyboard.
I write fast on this keyboard.
WM2005 of Qtek 9100...I dont like WM5 is slower than W2003SE and not good like 2006. With my Qtek 9090 i can use 3 operating systems: WM2003SE, WM5 and WM6. I can select.
I have brought my 2 Qtek 9090 1 month ago, becouse a friend of my have 1 (brought on 2005) and i really love that PDA. The new Qtek/HTC phones, i dont like. Most of them have a slower 200mhz CPU with a small RAM 64MB. Higher models have CPUs like 400 or 416Mhz with 128Mb but with a small screen and with no keyboard on vertical. (And these models Like HTC TYTN II price are so high)-
Its too nice when a ppl says "let me see my video on your pocket, in this screen is great!"
And its too nice see a movie on my Qtek 9090....with this screen size.
And the quality of material used on Qtek 9090 (metal) is better than plastic.
PPL whos say "I bought a qtek 9100 and sell the 9090...im so happy...yupi"..
No comments....U have trade a Ferrari for a fiat uno.
Qtek 9090 are one of most powered phone, with 4 years, is better than much models from HTC at now.
Think about it ppl...
Sorry my bad english ppl...

dont worry guys...
i think the subject of this thread was posted at the dawn of WM6 supremacy... the thread maker/poster might have suffered enough with wm5 or wm2003... just kidding.
and since WM6 is alive and making our BA kick b*tt! We can truly appreciate our BA more and more each day...

Second that SiverSamurai!
I started with the wizard and graduated UP to the BA. It's twice the phone, larger screen, thinner profile than the wizard. Twice the memory and storage, not to mention the 400mhz processor! If you don't believe it, navigate with file explorer to the windows folder and open it. Maybe tonight you can view what you wanted to look at in Windows, and I had my wizard overclocked to 247mhz. I keep it now, only as a back-up and I don't care to ever use it again. I have had no problems at all with the BA since I got it, and I have put it through the wringer to see how it would perform. I give it an A+ and the Wiz about a C.

Xda Excalibur vs Hermes comparison

Just let you know my comparison of the two units after 5 days with the Xda Cosmo after having the Trion for the last 4 months. My Girlfriend brought me the Excalibur as a pre Christmas gift 8)
After 4 months my Trion main speaker stopped working and I have currently sent it back to get it replaced. All in all I was quite happy with the Trion except for a few quirks.
1. Media Player was buggy with the storage card
2. Never got WM5orage working properly (either had to stopo all my programs running on the storage card which included removing items from the Today screen).
3. Screen alignment problem.
I got the Hermes originally as it looked like a device which I didn't have to use the stylus much to access most of the functionality and in 90% of cases I got by with just using the jog wheel and a couple of presses with my thumb (I had the very first xda device and was turned off by the need to use the stylus to do simple things such as dialing and looking up contacts )
I had noticed due to the operating system PPC vs smartphone the PPC needed much more processing power and hence battery life was preety much limited due to the power from the CPU 400mhz vs 200mhz ( maybe of the extra functionality needed for the touchscreen ).
Differences in the devices
1. Xda Excalibur is more responsive even with the slower CPU. Contacts work instantly on typing on the keyboard. On the hermes there is always a delay in searching for contacts.
2. Excalibur supports multiple languages in its rom and therefore there no need to reflash the rom with the rom with your appropriate language.
3. A2DP works flawlessly on Excalibur being aku 3.2. No need to install cab files to get it working and no sound quality issues and no need to get somone to write a bt stack driver to get around the microsoft one.
4. Programs in general for smartphone seem to be running better than on Pocket PC. Tomtom 6 Navigator doesn't run on the Cosmo but Tomtom 5 work just fine and performance actually seems better on the smartphone even with the lower CPU. Same is notice with other PPC vs Smartphone progams I have eg Skype and Fizz Traveller
5. Cosmo has 128 MB flash ram which is really useful as I was always trying to install everything on the SD card with the Trion to get as much memory possible for standard stuff such as emails, ringtones etc. Yes I know you can tweak the Hermes to get ringtones from the SD card but it just a hassle changing the registry settings.
6. For some reason Windows Live Beta works on the Cosmo. It stopped working on the Hermes about a month ago and never worked since. The smartphone version looks really nice as well and functions much better as I have noticed with all smartphone vs ppc programs.
7. WLAN works much better on the Cosmo compared to the Hermes eg handling of connection settings when WLAN is turned on. On the Hermes I always had to go through the process of changing my connection settings every time I switched by WLAN on an off.
8. Battery life on cosmo is much better. 3.5-4 days use compared to 1.5-2 days use on Trion. Probably because of CPU (I also changed the Hermes to GPRS only to try and save battery life due to UMTS draining the battery)
9. Not to sing all praises for the Excalibur. The only drawback I have found so far for my purposes is the Microsoft Office editing functionality is not possible on the smartphone.
10. 2MP camera vs 1.3 MP camera but I really cannot see much advantage in the quality as the 2MP wasnt that great to start with. Yes the Hermes has a led light but I doesn't really help with indoor photos. The 1.3 MP camera seems to be better quality than other 1.3 MP cameras before and for emails, web photos and MMS quality seems fine for my purposes as I wont ever print out photos from a camera handy.
11. Lack to UMTS/HSDPA on Excalibur. Loose the speed but you'll gain heaps on battery life.
12. Microsoft Media Player works with the SD card. No disappearing songs 8)
13. Price. The excalibur is less than 1/6 the price of the Trion on contract. My Girlfriend brought the Cosmo on contact for 60 Euro. I got the Trion for 320 Euro on the same contact.
14. and I think this is the killer. The excalibur have looks to die for. The Hermes is thick and although many people would say it is solidly built after using the Excalibur it makes the Hermes look like a oversized flimsy machine. The Excalibur is thin and compact with a large screen. Fits in your shirt pocket or even slide it into your jeans!!! HTC have outdone themselves with the build quality I haven't seen any phone build as solid including the razr. I fells like the device is made out of titanium or magnesium with a soft feel rubber all along the back of the device and for the keys as well, ( I cat't stop touching the device it feels sooo.. good ). My Girlfriend who is really fashion concious absolutely loves the look of the device. Photos on the net do not do it justice you have to see it in real to appreciate it's looks for me one look and it was love at first sight. (I first got a look at it from a female collegue who got the phone)
It took me a day to get used to the smaller keyboard and maybe bigger thumbs might have some problems but with rubber keys feel beautiful and make each key feel distinct during typing. The excalibur really is a one hand device even with the d pad and keys only. The touch slider is just a added bonus with flexibility.
After writing this I have noticed that this is more of a sales pitch for the excalibur than a comparison of the two devices but I have found my perfect device which does everything I need without any problems ( performance, bugs and quirks ). If you dont need the UMTS speed I must say Excalibur is the way to go. If you really need UMTS and 2MP camera then wait for the Calivier ( the UMTS /2 MP / 300Mhz version of the excalibur, rumoured to release in Spring next year ).
For me the excalibur seems to have a quite launch compared to the expectations of the Hermes maybe because on paper the Hermes looks better in terms of specifications but for usability it's excalibur all the way.
Now what to do with my Trion when it gets back?

it seems like you're really happy with the excalibur. i've moved from ppc to smartphone as well. overall i like the aspects you pointed out and i agree that the not having office editors built-in (and no word application) is too bad. the only real other thing i miss from ppc is the huge selection of software as what's available to the landscape qvga is much more limited. sell the hermes

I have both, HERMES (H) and EXCALIBUR (E), side by side and I add some comments.
Home screen:
- easy to have plugins in H home screen, a panic in E because smartphone homescreen XML mechanism
Usage
- no way to use H easily with one hand, easy with E
- generally faster E, the time you need to grab the device with left hand, take the stylus out, elongate... you've done 3 things with E
Boring Meeting
- Lot of things to play with H, less with E
Data transmission
- Forgot E if you aren't in an EDGE area or your provider doesn't support it(vodafone Italy in rome?) GPRS is to sloooooow
Summer
- H is a brick, no pocket were to put it, in a bag on your neck? Don't call CSI, they will never understand why those strange signs E is perfect
- No way to use H in a waterproof bag, E works perfectly
OS
Obvioulsly E AKU 3.0 (not 3.2 my HTC is 3.0) is better than H 2.3!
Is better a nice, fresh girl or an experienced, plastic surgeon addicted women? I want both!

sergiopi said:
Is better a nice, fresh girl or an experienced, plastic surgeon addicted women? I want both!
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Hahahahahaha! Sergio, you are the man. Absolutely right!

Any alternatives? About to buy

Hi guys,
I'm tossing up between Nokia N95 (more stable, keypad, easier to use as a phone, 5mp camera with dvd quality video and 30fps) and the Xda Orbit (slightly bigger screen, better gps receiver).
Mainly the orbit annoys me as I could use a headphones jack (n95 has one) and I would have liked a good camera/flash/video. However I use sat nav a lot and it's better at that.
As a current XDA Exec owner I am FED UP of constant bugs, crashes, having to reboot, missing calls because the phone is too slow waking up, poor phone radio, wifi/bluetooth freezing up, having to hack everything to try and get it more reliable, having to have a huge fat battery to get it to last more than a day.
Is the Orbit any more reliable????
Finally I use 3g and power a laptop for data, the Orbit is backwards and can't do 3g! Will Edge still be fast enough to power the laptop for internet general surfing/downloading of small items/email?
If anyone has any other phone for me to consider along these lines please let me know as I don't want to be unhappy with a bag of features that is software engineered by a monkey (my current XDA Exec). I need pda/big screen smartphone with camera/satnav/wifi.
Greg.

So that's it then, no one knows of any other similar phones and no one knows if the orbit is reliable/less buggy than the exec????

The statement of N95 being more stable may not be true. I have friends with experience with N series phone with Symbian, said to experience unstability problems (e.g. as compared with those 'dumb' phones).
As for the in-stability issues of Orbit, the problem may be the fact that, people with Orbit will tend to 'mess' with it more than the N95 (less 'mess-able'). I'm pretty sure that if you were to not mess with the phone, like my dad is (he is using a Charmer), the phone is very nice indeed. It would be nice if you can check out other forum on users experience on N95, and consider the 'stuff' they didn't do to it to make it.. unstable.
Personally, I like stuff that I can mess with

Touch Pro 2 sucks. Here is why.

Let's face it people. When the TP2 was announced it was looking like a great device and a possible Xperia replacement. Now, after it is out, I can safely say that it has both bad hardware and software. I will hang tight to my Xperia for the time being.
Here is why I do not like the TP2:
No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009...............
No flash/LED on the camera - Again, it is 2009 and this is a high end device.....
No D-pad or other directional buttons on the front - They say the software is optimized for that kind of use. Well, what about the 10k apps I want to install, that require a d-pad?
No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever.
Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor???
TP - MSM 7201 A
TP2 - MSM 7200 A
Same storage space as the TP.
Same ammount of RAM, although the TP2 has 20mb LESS RAM available to it. I repeat, the newer version has less RAM available!!!
TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh???
Good things:
Nice screen. (tilting)
5 row keyboard. (awesome)
Noise cancelation.
How is the Touch Pro 2 an upgrade?? It has ther same or LOWER specs than the Touch Pro. I feel cheated by HTC . My advice is - Keep your Touch Pro or Xperia and wait for the TP3 or X2.......

I haven´t tested myself
But I must agree with you!
How possible is no 3.5mm jack??
My Universal from 2005 has it and is extremelñy usefull!, of course an adapter can be found but....
Don´t want to repat all your points but thank you very much for pointing it here
Not a real replacemet for my beloved Universal not even for Xperia
Let´s hear what users have to say about this

Some good points but I disagree with:
1. No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009 - I never understood why anyone would want an extra hole in their device. the adapter works perfect for me and yes, its 2009, i have wireless headphones lol.
2. No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever - i installed the cab and it works perfect. who cares how it comes if you can simply install a cab file to change it. All part of customizing your device IMHO
3. Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor??? - do you actually know this proc is worse or are you just saying this due to the model #?
4. Same storage space as the TP. - who cares about internal storage when you have an expansion card?
5. TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh??? - not sure where you got that lol. my tp2 has much better battery life then the tp1
not really feeling you advice not to buy it. I had an HD and this phone blows it away in every way. just my 2 cents

mallman said:
Some good points but I disagree with:
1. No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009 - I never understood why anyone would want an extra hole in their device. the adapter works perfect for me and yes, its 2009, i have wireless headphones lol.
2. No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever - i installed the cab and it works perfect. who cares how it comes if you can simply install a cab file to change it. All part of customizing your device IMHO
3. Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor??? - do you actually know this proc is worse or are you just saying this due to the model #?
4. Same storage space as the TP. - who cares about internal storage when you have an expansion card?
5. TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh??? - not sure where you got that lol. my tp2 has much better battery life then the tp1
not really feeling you advice not to buy it. I had an HD and this phone blows it away in every way. just my 2 cents
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1 - Yes, having an adapter is so cool......... I want to plug my headphones not look for the stupid adapter EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
Wireless headphones are used by a very small percent of people. Most people (like me) prefer NOT to have two devices to charge when you want to take your music with you.
2 - That is not customizing. Installing programs and tweaking is customizing. This is poor care for the customer on HTC's part and smells of an unfinished device. How would you feel if they had left out TouchFlo 3D? Or part of it?
3 - That is what I know from doing my research. If my info is correct.
4 - I do. Many apps don't work if you install them on the SD card. They auto install in the main storage.
5 - All the reviews I have seen mention it, plus a friend of mine has both phones and has confirmed that for me.
Agreed on the part that TP2 is better than the HD. HD sucks even more. You should definitely make the upgrade to TP2.

I have the following phones:
Kaiser
Diamond
Touch HD
Xperia
Touch Pro 2
and have bought them in that order - never sold any of these
I agree with Mallman: can't see the point in saying that it sucks.
I have been using my TP2 today with the following usage:
140' phone calls (onehundred forty)
20' Opera browsing
Exchange mail push always on
2 POP3 mail account syncing with 10' time frame.
Received and read over 50 mails.
Still have 10% battery left after 14 hours of THAT kind of use - just out of the box, haven't had the time to work on energy consumption parameters under Advanced Config.
Can't really see any difference with my Xperia. Touch HD has performed less.
Radio is ok.
Have a 8 GB SDHC card, with extreme satisfaction.
And believe me, I have tried all the keyboards of these phones, nothing compares to this one. Screen is superb, speed also.

IT has BETTER battery life (don't listen to pocketnow.com, they are the onlyones who are saying that. FM radio has been left out. Reason unknown, so hard to say if it is a bad decision. Does the processor id number mean it's older? Has it been released before? It's not always so that a higher number means newer.
The TP2 is actually faster (not only touch flo 3D) then the touch pro.
Maybe they should make also a HDMI and firewire connection...... That would make sense. There are really small usb mini to 3,5 minijack converters. ANd the mini usb is multi functional.
Please stop talking about the flash, there have been real flash phones, but only very little. This is because after 3 flashes, the battery is empty. That LED light, was fun, but never really used it. keyboard has been improved. Original wm 6.5 upgrade.
Looks are much better. I almost never used my dpad, only when something was to small to select. But the bigger screen and better resolution solves that. I have to admit that a jogdial (like on the hermes) would be a good thing.
So in your oppinion every device has to have a mini jack? So I think you get that I don't agree with you

quarintus said:
IT has BETTER battery life (don't listen to pocketnow.com, they are the onlyones who are saying that. FM radio has been left out. Reason unknown, so hard to say if it is a bad decision. Does the processor id number mean it's older? Has it been released before? It's not always so that a higher number means newer.
The TP2 is actually faster (not only touch flo 3D) then the touch pro.
Maybe they should make also a HDMI and firewire connection...... That would make sense. There are really small usb mini to 3,5 minijack converters. ANd the mini usb is multi functional.
Please stop talking about the flash, there have been real flash phones, but only very little. This is because after 3 flashes, the battery is empty. That LED light, was fun, but never really used it. keyboard has been improved. Original wm 6.5 upgrade.
Looks are much better. I almost never used my dpad, only when something was to small to select. But the bigger screen and better resolution solves that. I have to admit that a jogdial (like on the hermes) would be a good thing.
So in your oppinion every device has to have a mini jack? So I think you get that I don't agree with you
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I was at a club last night with some friends and it was kinda dim. My Xperia was the only phone with any kind of flash and I was the only one that could take pics. I really can't imagine anyone arguing in favour of not having a flash. That is hilarious. Same goes for 3.5mm jacks.
I had a couple of devices without D-pads (including HD for a while). I have to say that many of the apps require a D-pad or are easier to work with, if you have one.
Agreed on the screen, keyboard and looks (as mentioned in the OP).

For the lack of flash, you are completely right.
I see no point in selling phones without a flash - even a sucking one would be better than nothing.
As for me, I use these phones for my job, so usually in daylight.
Wish I had more spare time to spend in clubs during the night: would have certainly a different phone

ninja.rogue said:
For the lack of flash, you are completely right.
I see no point in selling phones without a flash - even a sucking one would be better than nothing.
As for me, I use these phones for my job, so usually in daylight.
Wish I had more spare time to spend in clubs during the night: would have certainly a different phone
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ninja.rogue said:
And believe me, I have tried all the keyboards of these phones, nothing compares to this one.
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I´m sure you are not counting Universal keyboard
That one is the best!

orelsi said:
1 - Yes, having an adapter is so cool......... I want to plug my headphones not look for the stupid adapter EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
Wireless headphones are used by a very small percent of people. Most people (like me) prefer NOT to have two devices to charge when you want to take your music with you.
2 - That is not customizing. Installing programs and tweaking is customizing. This is poor care for the customer on HTC's part and smells of an unfinished device. How would you feel if they had left out TouchFlo 3D? Or part of it?
3 - That is what I know from doing my research. If my info is correct.
4 - I do. Many apps don't work if you install them on the SD card. They auto install in the main storage.
5 - All the reviews I have seen mention it, plus a friend of mine has both phones and has confirmed that for me.
Agreed on the part that TP2 is better than the HD. HD sucks even more. You should definitely make the upgrade to TP2.
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all i gotta say is this: have you actually used the device? half of whats written on the web is not from actual use but pure conjecture. i actually own the device and have an x1 and blackstone. x1 cannot compare with this phone on any level. blackstone has a bigger screen and that about it! when you actually use the device then i will take on board your views but for now as an actual owner i am sorry to say your research is inaccurate, my experience is hands on!

orelsi said:
Let's face it people. When the TP2 was announced it was looking like a great device and a possible Xperia replacement. Now, after it is out, I can safely say that it has both bad hardware and software. I will hang tight to my Xperia for the time being.
Here is why I do not like the TP2:
No 3.5 m headphone jack - LOL. In 2009...............
No flash/LED on the camera - Again, it is 2009 and this is a high end device.....
No D-pad or other directional buttons on the front - They say the software is optimized for that kind of use. Well, what about the 10k apps I want to install, that require a d-pad?
No FM radio/disabled by firmware - Why??? That is the stupidest decision by a phone manufactirer ever.
Same processor as the TP. 520mhz qualcom, although the TP2 has an older version !!!!!!!!! - Older version on a model that is supposed to be a successor???
TP - MSM 7201 A
TP2 - MSM 7200 A
Same storage space as the TP.
Same ammount of RAM, although the TP2 has 20mb LESS RAM available to it. I repeat, the newer version has less RAM available!!!
TP2 has a better battery than the TP, BUT worse battery life! How about that huh???
Good things:
Nice screen. (tilting)
5 row keyboard. (awesome)
Noise cancelation.
How is the Touch Pro 2 an upgrade?? It has ther same or LOWER specs than the Touch Pro. I feel cheated by HTC . My advice is - Keep your Touch Pro or Xperia and wait for the TP3 or X2.......
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Don't think I'd be laughing out TOO loudly at the lack of a 3.5 jack. In 2009 people are still using the things? Good heavens, get up to date!
No camera flash? Yeah it would be nice, but hardly a show stopper not having one.
No D-PAD? Erm...that's kinda the point, isn't it? If you want a D-PAD that badly, then of course you don't want this phone. I have over 40 application on my Vogue and I almost never use the D-PAD. I can't wait to get a phone that gets rid of the space-waster.
FM Radio disabled? There may be a good reason - too early to tell. Same was true of my Vogue's GPS chip. Took awhile to get a firmware update, but disabling it by default was the best option they had at the time.
Old Qualcomm Chip - Well, they didn't need to update the chip, did they? They saved a boatload of money by not manufacturing it with a new chip, and spent far less money instead optimizing the speed of the firmware. Pretty good deal, I'd say.
Same storage space - There's a handful of apps that require storage on board, but it's not likely you're going to run into so many of those that you run out of space when you have even a modest sized storage card.
20 MB less RAM - ok, so you have less excess than before. It's still excess.
Worse battery - Umm...no, I don't think so. You're not gonna get that one to fly. Everyone who has the device knows better.

shingers5 said:
all i gotta say is this: have you actually used the device? half of whats written on the web is not from actual use but pure conjecture. i actually own the device and have an x1 and blackstone. x1 cannot compare with this phone on any level. blackstone has a bigger screen and that about it! when you actually use the device then i will take on board your views but for now as an actual owner i am sorry to say your research is inaccurate, my experience is hands on!
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My research is about the processors. As I said a friend of mine has it and he let me play with it for a day. I had ample time to compare it to the X1. I was really disppointed.

ajbopp said:
Don't think I'd be laughing out TOO loudly at the lack of a 3.5 jack. In 2009 people are still using the things? Good heavens, get up to date!
No camera flash? Yeah it would be nice, but hardly a show stopper not having one.
No D-PAD? Erm...that's kinda the point, isn't it? If you want a D-PAD that badly, then of course you don't want this phone. I have over 40 application on my Vogue and I almost never use the D-PAD. I can't wait to get a phone that gets rid of the space-waster.
FM Radio disabled? There may be a good reason - too early to tell. Same was true of my Vogue's GPS chip. Took awhile to get a firmware update, but disabling it by default was the best option they had at the time.
Old Qualcomm Chip - Well, they didn't need to update the chip, did they? They saved a boatload of money by not manufacturing it with a new chip, and spent far less money instead optimizing the speed of the firmware. Pretty good deal, I'd say.
Same storage space - There's a handful of apps that require storage on board, but it's not likely you're going to run into so many of those that you run out of space when you have even a modest sized storage card.
20 MB less RAM - ok, so you have less excess than before. It's still excess.
Worse battery - Umm...no, I don't think so. You're not gonna get that one to fly. Everyone who has the device knows better.
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Yes most of the people still use them..... You better read my previous posts about the wireless headphones.
I have 300+ apps on my X1 and many of them require a D-pad.
I am curious about the Vogue's GPS chip. Why was it necessary to be disabled?
The part about using saved money from the processor to update the interface is pure conjecture on your part .
Again, the size of the SD doesn't matter if you have many apps that by DEFAULT install on the main memory.
Excess??? Excsue me, but less RAM means less multitasking and although the TP was good at this, it wasn't VERY good. The TP2 is worse and it is supposed to be an upgrade....
I can't argue about the battery, because I don't have that much hands on time with the device. I trust my friend and the online reviews though. Unless both my friend's battery and the ones of the reviewers were faulty in the first palce

orelsi said:
My research is about the processors. As I said a friend of mine has it and he let me play with it for a day. I had ample time to compare it to the X1. I was really disppointed.
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maybe you expected too much! this phone blows x1 out the water literally. i could write a list of all the shortcomings of the x1 but i know they will be addressed by the upcoming x2. prior to getting this fone i bigged up my x1 as well so i can't get down on you for that! however ya cannot beat hands on experience(not just a day) and no one who has both devices like me will agree with you!

orelsi said:
Yes most of the people still use them..... You better read my previous posts about the wireless headphones.
I have 300+ apps on my X1 and many of them require a D-pad.
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300+ apps? Where the hell did you get those... I don't have that many apps on my desktop pc.

shingers5 said:
maybe you expected too much! this phone blows x1 out the water literally. i could write a list of all the shortcomings of the x1 but i know they will be addressed by the upcoming x2. prior to getting this fone i bigged up my x1 as well so i can't get down on you for that! however ya cannot beat hands on experience(not just a day) and no one who has both devices like me will agree with you!
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I recieved my TP2 today I completely agree with you Shingers
I owned the typhoon, Hurricane, Wizard, Hermes, Tytn, Diamond X1 and now TP2 (Rhodium)
and this is the best windows mobile I have ever owned!
300 apps.... with that many your asking for trouble regardless of handset
Cheers
Steve

rosebud said:
I recieved my TP2 today I completely agree with you Shingers
I owned the typhoon, Hurricane, Wizard, Hermes, Tytn, Diamond X1 and now TP2 (Rhodium)
and this is the best windows mobile I have ever owned!
Also, talking from a professional standpoint,
Im a Microsoft Certified Technical Specialist in Windows Mobile, aswell as an MCSA, so I know what im talking about
300 apps.... with that many your asking for trouble regardless of handset
Cheers
Steve
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very well said! I have actual hands on with the phones in question so thats why i can post confidently and so can you as you not only have the knowledge but ownyou the phone. just feel its a bit of a farse to say this device sucks when you dont even own it and try to put people off it! i'd say sounds like he wants one but cant get it! hehe. no one can knock you for your opinion orelsi but pocket-link review in inaccurate but can't comment on your friends as dont know. this phone is the best dude and once we get some chefs on here to kick this custom thing off - watch out! wm6.5 on this phone will look and work a treat

Hummm... sounds like just jealousy...
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Corrupto said:
Hummm... sounds like just jealousy...
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chuckle, chuckle........funny! i dont mind threads like this as i think though negative it gets people interacting and talking wihout any insults. i respect everyones opinion and even if i totally disagree with him thats how he feels!