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better battery life with wm5.0

hi, i just wanted to say that my findings after yesting wm5.0 this week that after using my device the same way i used it on wm2003se, that at 12.00pm my battery is usually on about 20% , using wm5 i now have 65% left doing the same thing. i do have backlite on low, and im not sure if it has anything to do with patches, but its better than wm2003se, an its only a beta copy. lol.
anyone else having bettery battery life using wm5.0?
p.s, i am still waiting for someone to explain the difference between rom and ram that wm5.0 uses.

I am seeing better battery life, but nothing I can put a number too.
Also, GPRS works everytime. No resets required.
If only bluetooth worked right!

even by Bluetooth works perfect, i havent got bt headset, so havent tried, but i dont need one so even if it didnt work, i wouldnt care, lol.
if u have that mamiach patch, for backlight and stuff, u will see the old icon for battery and at gives u the % of battery. and today plugins for battery meters also work, i have tried a few, and they seem to work.
but i use o2 plus, and that runs perfect, hell, i might even be Brave enough to try o2 active, lol, i can always reflash if it fooks up!

WM5 RAM and ROM... (for joey jojo)
The difference between RAM and ROM (for any computer) is that the ROM (Read Only Memory) must be flashed to change state. This means that data stored/flashed to the ROM is persistent and is not affected by a loss of power. It can only be altered by a flash operation, but can be read at any time. RAM (Random Access Memory) can be written, read, stored only with power applied. This means that RAM is cleared whenever power is lost.
What this means in terms of WM5 is that your personal data and programs are written (flashed) to ROM, which is not affected by battery (or backup battery) failure. Since this information does not require any changes to be used (a program is loaded into RAM when it is run, so it occupies ROM until called by the user), it is not necessary for it to occupy RAM space for storage. This means that RAM is used to run the OS and programs, not to store your PIM data or programs.
This explanation is in layman's terms and is not applicable to all operating systems, but does describe in general terms how RAM/ROM work in PDA's.
Hope this offers some insight into memory function...
Mick...

Mine installed like a dream and seemed to last about the same but now its bein cained big time bcause iv overclocked it to make it run smoothly. just ordered a better battery

And battery life matters a lot less now! I can run it to the ground without fear of loosing any data!

In addition to what mwheeler2 said, under 2003SE there was what was known as the 72 hour rule, meaning that manufacturers were obliged to make sure that even when the battery reads 0% and the device shuts off there is still enough power to keep the ram contents stored for a period of 72 hours, so in other words a large proportion of the battery capacity was used just to store the data in RAM, although dont ask me if that includes the backup battery as well!
But don't just take my word for it, read for yourself:
http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_newsfeeds&task=view&feedid=12&Itemid=64

Twiglet said:
Mine installed like a dream and seemed to last about the same but now its bein cained big time bcause iv overclocked it to make it run smoothly. just ordered a better battery
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Can you tell me how you overclocked it? or refer me to the right post?

i dont seem to have any different battery life with my 1490 mAh. But I just put an order in for a 2400 mAh, can't wait to see how this baby runs

dilipc said:
Can you tell me how you overclocked it? or refer me to the right post?
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@Dilipc: might be what you're looking for: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27976

WM5

Hi all, I am all confused about which Windows Mobile 5 ROM version to load to my Blueangle. I read forums about these different ROMs but I got more confused. Which ROM do you reccomend?

Helmi_C AKU3.2 v1.3 beta is currently the best one out in general.

Can you tell me more about this ROM's performance? What do you think when you compare it with wm2003se? Do you think it is worth to upgrade to wm5 from wm2003se? Thanks.

I really dislike alot of the early WM5 roms because I thought they were unbearably slow so I kept with 2003SE until about a month ago.
Then an AKU2.3 ROM was released which I tested and it was muc quicker than the previous offerings. I'd be willing to say Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM is just as quick as 2003SE is, and its prettier :lol:
It's definately worth considering about upgrading now.

Thanks my friend. I'll give it a try. Are there any features (features of wm2003se and my pda2k) that I won't be able to use when I upgrade to helmi's wm5?

Hi there,
I would like tyo download WM5 BA ROM, but I'm affraid, there is no posibility to download any ROM from ftp server.
Threre are some problems with connection. Speed is very low.
Dowloading stopped after 10 MB...
Please tell me, how can I download ROM....
Thx,
MCS1

My experience with WM5 was not so good. It's so much slower than 2003SE! I recently downgraded and it's like night and day! 2003SE feels about 100 times faster than WM5 - especially all phone functions! It takes several seconds until a WM5 BA starts ringing, picking up takes eternally, so does hanging up, etc. Everything you do during normal use is much slower as well. It was really annoying using my BA with WM5, and now, back on 2003SE it's fantastic again.
If you don't desperately need any of the new functions of WM5 (like stereo bluetooth headsets and push email), I strongly recommend sticking with 2003SE!
Regards,
Martin

Hi, I just recently converted and I am loving it all the way. Go with Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM as it has given me very little problems, other that the need to just make sure that I read and understand the guide first.
I did find the phones operating speed somewhat slow, but then that is to be expected from a installation that was not meant for the phone. Same thing happens when you upgrade a PC witha new OS and it goes a bit slower. But what you can do is to help it a bit and what I did was to spend around £14 on XCPUScalar and overclocked the internal chip from the standard 400mhz to 530mhz. It is so easy to do, all you do is to install the application and then slide the slider to the required speed. It does mean that my phone battery does go quicker, and I have been trying out different scenarios and whereas during normal use, ie 45 minutes of mp3 listening in the morning and then again in ther evening while on journey to work, and around 10-20 calls a day, the battery used was around 75-85, now it completely drains my battery unless I use my spare.
The best thing to do is to invest in a USB data cable which charges the phone at the same time and even if you have a laptop, you can still charge the phone during the time that it is in the cradle.
The XCPUScalar does have a dynamic speed changing capapbility which basicaly changes the speed depending on CPU percentage used, but I found it slightly sluggish to kick in and just so much easier to stick it onto the 530mhz and just take my spare battery with me.
Now that I have it at 530mhz it works even better that I had hoped, all the functions and compatibility and even works faster that my previous 2003se.
Be careful thought that the process of upgrade may take a few times to get right, so make sure that you have either the whole day to spend on the upgrade or you have a spare phone to hand.
Extra tip, and very important, dont use a external USB hub to plug your phone as when you come to upgrade it gets stuck on the OS Upgrade screen and like me you will have a heart-attack until you figure out what the problem is...
Hope that helps.

Thanks for all answers. I upgraded to Helmi's AKU 3.2 and happy with it. I agree that phone feature gets slower but I can live with that. Other features are working normally and are not slower than 2003se. Maybe using XCPUScalar speeds up the machine but are you sure that using this porgramm will not harm the cpu? If yes, I can also try it.

afaik intel's xscalar cpu's were designed to run @ higher speeds and designed to be scaled up and down to save battery, but microsoft in thier infinate wisdom decided they couldnt be arsed.
So long as you dont enable the 'show frequencies above 500mhz' then afaik your phone is in no danger, however i would recommend enabling that and setting max speed @ 530 (but scaling) as sometimes thos extra 50mhz really help. meyself and a lot of other people have had no problems with it at this speed (i know black6spdz runs one of his @ 590mhz, and thats not dead yet :wink

hmmm, so I will try it

I find an IME switch problem： After I install CE-star 2.8 r1, it will installed two IME, one is chinese "chaji", the other is "chinese hand writing".
there have problems when I switching in those IME. it takes no effect. this problem appears int CE-star 2.8 r2 also

is Universal very slow...

Hi all... I need your help... I have a Blue Angel and I want to buy a universal. But I read that Universal is very slow in compare with fx. blue angel... Is it tru? How can it be true...! because BA`a processor is 400 mhz..! Please tell me a little abouet universal... What is hot and not... thanx...

BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great

AlanJC said:
BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great
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Thank you for your answer... But my BA with wm5 is very faster then BA with WM2003... And I think speed is VERY important, if you would like enjoy your machine... and yes the display is what makes the universal great : )
by the way... you said Uni running WM5 runs from NAND. What is nand?thanks again...

For an explenation of NAND memory look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#NAND_memories
It's true the universal was very slow at first but with the new rom's comming out it actually performs quite up to speed imho.

I agree it's faster than the AKU2 and earlier days, but it's still slow compared to a BA running from RAM, especially when you run things like TomTom or anything else that renders the whole screen in high res.

thanks for link for NAND... Is it so a minus that uni run from nand. Can I also change the Q... What is the plus and minus with the universal... I have now a BA. I know uni has a great display but is there anything else that can be a reason to buy and use an universal in stead of BA?

I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.

Midget_1990 said:
I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.
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so you say the speed is not annoying...

I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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vijay555 said:
I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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Can you tell me how to put the default OS Skin without losing the video call button?
And also how to speed up the processor without overclocking it?
Thanks

I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
V

VJ: can you recommend an application for the uni to clock it up to 624?

I think Pocket Hack Master is the standard recommendation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=246214
V

vijay555 said:
I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
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Thanks for the info.
I try'd the OS phone skin and didn't noticed much diference. So I switched back to my previous one from Helmi-c rom.
One bigger problem that I have with this skin is that i'm using the VGA hack version of Helmi_c rom (the latest version) and sometimes when I switch from the phone skin to the today screen, the phone hangs and only the bottom bar works, so I have to rebbot the phone to comeback to normal. I'm using the vga phone hack too.

I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
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vijay555 said:
I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
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That is what i'm using, but why don't you recomend it?
Is there any alternative to make the dialpad big for VGA hack?

I thought there were some hacked versions of the Eten skins or similar for VGA... not sure tho. I don't use my own apps..
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O2 Orbit or Orange SPV M700??

My mate just got the orbit and i really love the look and feel of it! Was planning all along to get the M700 too!
Can anyone tell me how the two compare - i know the tech differences but how about looks, feel, speed etc etc..
Thanks!

chickyd said:
My mate just got the orbit and i really love the look and feel of it! Was planning all along to get the M700 too!
Can anyone tell me how the two compare - i know the tech differences but how about looks, feel, speed etc etc..
Thanks!
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you should go into O2 & Orange shops and compare.
The M700 has a 400 Mhz cpu, but the OMAP in the Orbit is more efficient. Overclocked to around 260Mhz (at your own risk) it runs at about the same visible speed as the samsung.
The x and y dimensions of the M700 are only a smidgen larger, but it is 2mm thicker and 15% heavier then the O2 orbit. The battery also does not last as long.
If you want a smaller device and/or GPS you need the orbit. If 3G is critical to you, you need the M700.
The final thing to note is that Orange lock their PDAs, O2 do not.
rgds
c.

Thanks for that!
I'm now thinking about the orbit. If only i could go and check out the m700 but no shops are stocking them yet - no word on release date either!
Currently have wizard and find the omap processor on it rather sluggish when not overclocked so think i'lll need to do this to the orbit.
Can you tell me how to set the clock constantly overclocked? (at my own risk aside) is this safe? prob go for aroound 240 to be safe - this is what i do to my wizard and it makes alot of difference!

chickyd said:
Thanks for that!
I'm now thinking about the orbit. If only i could go and check out the m700 but no shops are stocking them yet - no word on release date either!
Currently have wizard and find the omap processor on it rather sluggish when not overclocked so think i'lll need to do this to the orbit.
Can you tell me how to set the clock constantly overclocked? (at my own risk aside) is this safe? prob go for aroound 240 to be safe - this is what i do to my wizard and it makes alot of difference!
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I had a wizard before and I think the orbit is slightly faster. It might be because WM5 on the orbit is a couple of service packs more advanced then the wizard, or that the implementation of the omap has improved abit. But its basically the same cpu, and if you found it sluggish before, you are likely to again.
I'd try in the shop before you buy, as its all personal preference.
There are many utils to overclock, I use omapclock. After a reboot you need to run it again. There is also omapclockplus which attempts to keep the overclocker running on reboot.
The best utility is the commercial one called xcpuscaler:
http://www.immiersoft.com/
Not only does this give you the most control, but you can set autoscaling for cpu load. e.g. if the cpu is less then 50% full you can set normal-or under clock, which saves battery.
there is an overclocking thread in this forum, have a read.
rgds

stupid me, forgot to mention the overclocker I actually use now (batterystatus):
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_BatteryStatus_XDA_Neo_WM5_iM_cs.htm#Download
rgds

colonel said:
stupid me, forgot to mention the overclocker I actually use now (batterystatus):
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_BatteryStatus_XDA_Neo_WM5_iM_cs.htm#Download
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Thanks for that!
Will give it a bash when it arrives tomorrow!!
Also got the 2gb sd card on order.. going to format it with FAT32 and keep my fingers crossed i don't end up having to post in that 'other' thread!

Having looked at that link i'll prob just go with omap overclock - don't think i need the other functions of the software!

$120 worth it to upgrade Axim X50V to 128mb Ram???

Hi, I have an old Axim X50V that i don't know what do with. My mom was using it for Skype and its been working ok but now that we have a dedicated skype phone and i have Touch Pro I don't know what to do with it.
I had it upgraded to WM 6.0 but the performance was really poor due to some kind of slow ram problem. I don't want to give the unit away and was planning on using it as a dedicated PMP with its huge vga 3.7 screen and the possiblilty of 32GB with it's two flash slots but even that wasnt working to well. i was trying videos but sometimes it would slow down to a crawl and suddenly be back to normal again. i was using it for opera in bed but even that wa impossible at times.
I would downgrade it to WM2003SE but i would lose alot of the newer software that only works with WM5 and above. and the annoying problem of losing all data when the unit was drained of battery.
I read a long time ago about upping the ram to 128mb using somekind of faster bga memory or something like that so i searched and found the cheapest place was expansys-usa which charges $117 to do the upgrade.
Is this something that i can do myself? Im pretty ok with the soldering iron and magnifer or is it really small and requires professional work?
also would this change in ram still cause the same problems with the slowdowns or would it completely solve the problem?
or should i look elsewhere for a better dedicated pmp? like $199 for a hx4700
any chance of getting abdroid working on this thing?

hmm perhaps i might have misunderstood the problem maybe it was the rom and not the ram that is slow
i heard somewhat suggest that some kind of ramdisk method helped the problem can anyone explain this to me?

dont sound like an ram issue
you have to understand that if it came with wm2003
it used ram for storage and one could adjust it
but with wm5 flash was used for storage and flash being much much slower
then ram
pagepool was interduced as cache it was a part of the ram used for that spc purpos
so imho i would look into changing the pagepool size as adding more ram will
not fix the issue of pagepool being absent or too small