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hi, i just wanted to say that my findings after yesting wm5.0 this week that after using my device the same way i used it on wm2003se, that at 12.00pm my battery is usually on about 20% , using wm5 i now have 65% left doing the same thing. i do have backlite on low, and im not sure if it has anything to do with patches, but its better than wm2003se, an its only a beta copy. lol.
anyone else having bettery battery life using wm5.0?
p.s, i am still waiting for someone to explain the difference between rom and ram that wm5.0 uses.
I am seeing better battery life, but nothing I can put a number too.
Also, GPRS works everytime. No resets required.
If only bluetooth worked right!
even by Bluetooth works perfect, i havent got bt headset, so havent tried, but i dont need one so even if it didnt work, i wouldnt care, lol.
if u have that mamiach patch, for backlight and stuff, u will see the old icon for battery and at gives u the % of battery. and today plugins for battery meters also work, i have tried a few, and they seem to work.
but i use o2 plus, and that runs perfect, hell, i might even be Brave enough to try o2 active, lol, i can always reflash if it fooks up!
WM5 RAM and ROM... (for joey jojo)
The difference between RAM and ROM (for any computer) is that the ROM (Read Only Memory) must be flashed to change state. This means that data stored/flashed to the ROM is persistent and is not affected by a loss of power. It can only be altered by a flash operation, but can be read at any time. RAM (Random Access Memory) can be written, read, stored only with power applied. This means that RAM is cleared whenever power is lost.
What this means in terms of WM5 is that your personal data and programs are written (flashed) to ROM, which is not affected by battery (or backup battery) failure. Since this information does not require any changes to be used (a program is loaded into RAM when it is run, so it occupies ROM until called by the user), it is not necessary for it to occupy RAM space for storage. This means that RAM is used to run the OS and programs, not to store your PIM data or programs.
This explanation is in layman's terms and is not applicable to all operating systems, but does describe in general terms how RAM/ROM work in PDA's.
Hope this offers some insight into memory function...
Mick...
Mine installed like a dream and seemed to last about the same but now its bein cained big time bcause iv overclocked it to make it run smoothly. just ordered a better battery
And battery life matters a lot less now! I can run it to the ground without fear of loosing any data!
In addition to what mwheeler2 said, under 2003SE there was what was known as the 72 hour rule, meaning that manufacturers were obliged to make sure that even when the battery reads 0% and the device shuts off there is still enough power to keep the ram contents stored for a period of 72 hours, so in other words a large proportion of the battery capacity was used just to store the data in RAM, although dont ask me if that includes the backup battery as well!
But don't just take my word for it, read for yourself:
http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_newsfeeds&task=view&feedid=12&Itemid=64
Twiglet said:
Mine installed like a dream and seemed to last about the same but now its bein cained big time bcause iv overclocked it to make it run smoothly. just ordered a better battery
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Can you tell me how you overclocked it? or refer me to the right post?
i dont seem to have any different battery life with my 1490 mAh. But I just put an order in for a 2400 mAh, can't wait to see how this baby runs
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Can you tell me how you overclocked it? or refer me to the right post?
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@Dilipc: might be what you're looking for: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27976
Hi all, I am all confused about which Windows Mobile 5 ROM version to load to my Blueangle. I read forums about these different ROMs but I got more confused. Which ROM do you reccomend?
Helmi_C AKU3.2 v1.3 beta is currently the best one out in general.
Can you tell me more about this ROM's performance? What do you think when you compare it with wm2003se? Do you think it is worth to upgrade to wm5 from wm2003se? Thanks.
I really dislike alot of the early WM5 roms because I thought they were unbearably slow so I kept with 2003SE until about a month ago.
Then an AKU2.3 ROM was released which I tested and it was muc quicker than the previous offerings. I'd be willing to say Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM is just as quick as 2003SE is, and its prettier :lol:
It's definately worth considering about upgrading now.
Thanks my friend. I'll give it a try. Are there any features (features of wm2003se and my pda2k) that I won't be able to use when I upgrade to helmi's wm5?
Hi there,
I would like tyo download WM5 BA ROM, but I'm affraid, there is no posibility to download any ROM from ftp server.
Threre are some problems with connection. Speed is very low.
Dowloading stopped after 10 MB...
Please tell me, how can I download ROM....
Thx,
MCS1
My experience with WM5 was not so good. It's so much slower than 2003SE! I recently downgraded and it's like night and day! 2003SE feels about 100 times faster than WM5 - especially all phone functions! It takes several seconds until a WM5 BA starts ringing, picking up takes eternally, so does hanging up, etc. Everything you do during normal use is much slower as well. It was really annoying using my BA with WM5, and now, back on 2003SE it's fantastic again.
If you don't desperately need any of the new functions of WM5 (like stereo bluetooth headsets and push email), I strongly recommend sticking with 2003SE!
Regards,
Martin
Hi, I just recently converted and I am loving it all the way. Go with Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM as it has given me very little problems, other that the need to just make sure that I read and understand the guide first.
I did find the phones operating speed somewhat slow, but then that is to be expected from a installation that was not meant for the phone. Same thing happens when you upgrade a PC witha new OS and it goes a bit slower. But what you can do is to help it a bit and what I did was to spend around £14 on XCPUScalar and overclocked the internal chip from the standard 400mhz to 530mhz. It is so easy to do, all you do is to install the application and then slide the slider to the required speed. It does mean that my phone battery does go quicker, and I have been trying out different scenarios and whereas during normal use, ie 45 minutes of mp3 listening in the morning and then again in ther evening while on journey to work, and around 10-20 calls a day, the battery used was around 75-85, now it completely drains my battery unless I use my spare.
The best thing to do is to invest in a USB data cable which charges the phone at the same time and even if you have a laptop, you can still charge the phone during the time that it is in the cradle.
The XCPUScalar does have a dynamic speed changing capapbility which basicaly changes the speed depending on CPU percentage used, but I found it slightly sluggish to kick in and just so much easier to stick it onto the 530mhz and just take my spare battery with me.
Now that I have it at 530mhz it works even better that I had hoped, all the functions and compatibility and even works faster that my previous 2003se.
Be careful thought that the process of upgrade may take a few times to get right, so make sure that you have either the whole day to spend on the upgrade or you have a spare phone to hand.
Extra tip, and very important, dont use a external USB hub to plug your phone as when you come to upgrade it gets stuck on the OS Upgrade screen and like me you will have a heart-attack until you figure out what the problem is...
Hope that helps.
Thanks for all answers. I upgraded to Helmi's AKU 3.2 and happy with it. I agree that phone feature gets slower but I can live with that. Other features are working normally and are not slower than 2003se. Maybe using XCPUScalar speeds up the machine but are you sure that using this porgramm will not harm the cpu? If yes, I can also try it.
afaik intel's xscalar cpu's were designed to run @ higher speeds and designed to be scaled up and down to save battery, but microsoft in thier infinate wisdom decided they couldnt be arsed.
So long as you dont enable the 'show frequencies above 500mhz' then afaik your phone is in no danger, however i would recommend enabling that and setting max speed @ 530 (but scaling) as sometimes thos extra 50mhz really help. meyself and a lot of other people have had no problems with it at this speed (i know black6spdz runs one of his @ 590mhz, and thats not dead yet :wink
hmmm, so I will try it
I find an IME switch problem： After I install CE-star 2.8 r1, it will installed two IME, one is chinese "chaji", the other is "chinese hand writing".
there have problems when I switching in those IME. it takes no effect. this problem appears int CE-star 2.8 r2 also
Hi all... I need your help... I have a Blue Angel and I want to buy a universal. But I read that Universal is very slow in compare with fx. blue angel... Is it tru? How can it be true...! because BA`a processor is 400 mhz..! Please tell me a little abouet universal... What is hot and not... thanx...
BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great
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BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great
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Thank you for your answer... But my BA with wm5 is very faster then BA with WM2003... And I think speed is VERY important, if you would like enjoy your machine... and yes the display is what makes the universal great : )
by the way... you said Uni running WM5 runs from NAND. What is nand?thanks again...
For an explenation of NAND memory look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#NAND_memories
It's true the universal was very slow at first but with the new rom's comming out it actually performs quite up to speed imho.
I agree it's faster than the AKU2 and earlier days, but it's still slow compared to a BA running from RAM, especially when you run things like TomTom or anything else that renders the whole screen in high res.
thanks for link for NAND... Is it so a minus that uni run from nand. Can I also change the Q... What is the plus and minus with the universal... I have now a BA. I know uni has a great display but is there anything else that can be a reason to buy and use an universal in stead of BA?
I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.
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I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.
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so you say the speed is not annoying...
I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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vijay555 said:
I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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Can you tell me how to put the default OS Skin without losing the video call button?
And also how to speed up the processor without overclocking it?
Thanks
I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
V
VJ: can you recommend an application for the uni to clock it up to 624?
I think Pocket Hack Master is the standard recommendation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=246214
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vijay555 said:
I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
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Thanks for the info.
I try'd the OS phone skin and didn't noticed much diference. So I switched back to my previous one from Helmi-c rom.
One bigger problem that I have with this skin is that i'm using the VGA hack version of Helmi_c rom (the latest version) and sometimes when I switch from the phone skin to the today screen, the phone hangs and only the bottom bar works, so I have to rebbot the phone to comeback to normal. I'm using the vga phone hack too.
I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
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I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
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That is what i'm using, but why don't you recomend it?
Is there any alternative to make the dialpad big for VGA hack?
I thought there were some hacked versions of the Eten skins or similar for VGA... not sure tho. I don't use my own apps..
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Hey Folks,
I lost my Trinity P3600 (branded Dopod D810) so I'll be getting the upgraded Trinity (P3600i) in a few weeks as a replacement.
Just wondering...the ROM is reported as being 256MB with 160MB usable meaning that the operator ROM is taking up a whopping 96MB. Seems like a lot to me.
Ordinary Trinity has 128MB of ROM and after a hard reset you'll generally have 50 - 60MB free meaning the ROM is only taking up 68 - 78MB; a lot less than the P3600i.
I was hoping that when I get P3600i I could get some help in extracted the original ROM image (which I will then upload if anyone wants it) before I flash to a ROM that gives more storage space.
I want to have the original just in case there is stuff I need on the original ROM or if something goes wrong and I need to return device for service.
Also, as far as I know the P3600i is just a souped up trinity so there should be no issues with SSPL etc... right?
Cheers
Having played around with my shiny P3600i yesterday and today, its essentially the same. It appears as if all the existing roms etc work for it as the normal D810 does.
The reason the standard rom uses so much space is not whats in it so much, but more because its not been run through the storage tool that gives more space, by Tadzio (IIRC).
That said, the new update is spectacular! the extra 32mb ram and 100mhz cpu makes a HUGE difference to its responsiveness!
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Having played around with my shiny P3600i yesterday and today, its essentially the same. It appears as if all the existing roms etc work for it as the normal D810 does.
The reason the standard rom uses so much space is not whats in it so much, but more because its not been run through the storage tool that gives more space, by Tadzio (IIRC).
That said, the new update is spectacular! the extra 32mb ram and 100mhz cpu makes a HUGE difference to its responsiveness!
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What ROM version, Windows build & radio rom does your P3600i display?
Do you know how to extract the original ROM? If you can, please do so as that would be an enormous help. I'd like to have a backup of the original ROM for reasons already mentioned.
Haven't heard of the tool by Tadzio, I'll take a page outta Ol Nealed's book and use my bestest friend Search.
32MB more RAM? I'm pretty sure the p3600i only got 100MHZ increase in CPU & 128MB increase in ROM. No stats i've seen so far indicate ram update.
edit: my bad, your right, same ram as before. saying that, mines showing 36mb available, so better memory management maybe?? thats using mUn-Rus light.
I never kept the original rom (stupidly) but its possible to get a rom update from HTC Aus though.
Also, radio is the same as the current latest for Aus here, being 1.46.30.11.
Anybody found anything useful on how to speed up this slow bugger? ive tried cleaner ROMS, wm 6.1, changing the pp, and doing the usual reg hacks for changing the glyph, font, and file system cache as high as they will go but...its still so slow all the time!
for a dual-core, brand new device...i was really expecting more.
anything anyone?
thanks.
You say it's slow but in what sense though..
Also, if you expect it to be PC fast then we all know it's not going to happen. Also, fast could be referring to personal preference (I think), cuz my device is fast in terms of menu responded in timely manner, connection is good enough. For most part, I don't have to wait 8 seconds for something to show up after I clicked it. But some programs I have require a little time to load like sprint tv it takes about 3 seconds.
Also, checkout HTC Performance, some say it worked on Touch some say it doesnt due to dual core in touch.
Good luck.
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You say it's slow but in what sense though..
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i mean that when i click "settings" in the start menu, i have to wait a good 3-4 seconds before it comes up, and another 3 seconds before it will respond. on a clean stock rom, 6.1, or dcd's 0.2.0 rom. messaging is (slightly?) slow to open...
not sure what other specific things there are. the device just seems to be overall sluggish.
thanks for the tip on the htc performance, i will give that a shot and see.
i just wish wizcode could put out their v5 build that supports the 7500 chipset! looks like the wait for a faster device and longer battery is still about a month off sadly...
HTC Performance won't work on the qualcomm processor in your device. I haven't seen any word yet on an overclocker for the qualcomm chips.
I find the vogue quite fast, but not as fast as my 624mhz dell axim x50v with wm6
thats stinkin fast.
My Mogul was faster then the damn Touch guys, come on... half as much RAM, otherwise, same hardware. Explain THAT. If HTC would just get off their collective asses and release the video drivers...
I agree, my XV6700 (WM6, Helmi) was quite a bit faster at some things.
I hate the lag I'm seeing on some of the buttons (end call for one even with hack to speed it up) and others.
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I agree, my XV6700 (WM6, Helmi) was quite a bit faster at some things.
I hate the lag I'm seeing on some of the buttons (end call for one even with hack to speed it up) and others.
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pretty sure that my dads axim x30, with ppc 2003 or whatever, has a screen that is A HUNDRED times more responsive/sensitive (pretty retarded of HTC to make an all touch device for the masses that isnt have as responsive as a device released 4-5 years ago) and the device just runs so much faster.
everything is instant on the x30. you barely even have to touch the screen, adn BAM. you are already there. whereas on the vogue you would still be in the process of getting the screen to recognize that you had touched it, then wait for it to respond and get moving.
true, that device has a 624mhz processor, but it only has half the ram. this device is 5 years newer with an os 5 years newer, yet still FAR slower.
it makes me so mad how unresponsive the screen on this device is compared to the x30.
I know the HTC Performance app supposedly doesn't work on our touch....but with mine overclocked to 524Mhz, it seems like everything just opens much faster. (I can especially tell with Opera and the Messaging app).
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I know the HTC Performance app supposedly doesn't work on our touch....but with mine overclocked to 524Mhz, it seems like everything just opens much faster. (I can especially tell with Opera and the Messaging app).
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hmm, strange. i didnt notice any difference when i tried it.
have you tried shutting off the "overclocking", waiting 10 seconds, then shutting down, then waiting 10 seconds, then poking the reset hole and trying the app's mentioned again? is there a definite speed increase if you try doing that?
ludester said:
I find the vogue quite fast, but not as fast as my 624mhz dell axim x50v with wm6
thats stinkin fast.
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I have the X50V on the lastest wm6 rom and the vogue runs circles around it. The only way the x50v is fast is with one small application open. The only speed advantage I see is in games and videos because of built-in video acceleration.
Nate
Vogue is plenty fast for me.