Hi all... I need your help... I have a Blue Angel and I want to buy a universal. But I read that Universal is very slow in compare with fx. blue angel... Is it tru? How can it be true...! because BA`a processor is 400 mhz..! Please tell me a little abouet universal... What is hot and not... thanx...
BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great
AlanJC said:
BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great
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Thank you for your answer... But my BA with wm5 is very faster then BA with WM2003... And I think speed is VERY important, if you would like enjoy your machine... and yes the display is what makes the universal great : )
by the way... you said Uni running WM5 runs from NAND. What is nand?thanks again...
For an explenation of NAND memory look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#NAND_memories
It's true the universal was very slow at first but with the new rom's comming out it actually performs quite up to speed imho.
I agree it's faster than the AKU2 and earlier days, but it's still slow compared to a BA running from RAM, especially when you run things like TomTom or anything else that renders the whole screen in high res.
thanks for link for NAND... Is it so a minus that uni run from nand. Can I also change the Q... What is the plus and minus with the universal... I have now a BA. I know uni has a great display but is there anything else that can be a reason to buy and use an universal in stead of BA?
I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.
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I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.
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so you say the speed is not annoying...
I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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Can you tell me how to put the default OS Skin without losing the video call button?
And also how to speed up the processor without overclocking it?
Thanks
I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
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VJ: can you recommend an application for the uni to clock it up to 624?
I think Pocket Hack Master is the standard recommendation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=246214
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I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
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Thanks for the info.
I try'd the OS phone skin and didn't noticed much diference. So I switched back to my previous one from Helmi-c rom.
One bigger problem that I have with this skin is that i'm using the VGA hack version of Helmi_c rom (the latest version) and sometimes when I switch from the phone skin to the today screen, the phone hangs and only the bottom bar works, so I have to rebbot the phone to comeback to normal. I'm using the vga phone hack too.
I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
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I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
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That is what i'm using, but why don't you recomend it?
Is there any alternative to make the dialpad big for VGA hack?
I thought there were some hacked versions of the Eten skins or similar for VGA... not sure tho. I don't use my own apps..
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Hi all, I am all confused about which Windows Mobile 5 ROM version to load to my Blueangle. I read forums about these different ROMs but I got more confused. Which ROM do you reccomend?
Helmi_C AKU3.2 v1.3 beta is currently the best one out in general.
Can you tell me more about this ROM's performance? What do you think when you compare it with wm2003se? Do you think it is worth to upgrade to wm5 from wm2003se? Thanks.
I really dislike alot of the early WM5 roms because I thought they were unbearably slow so I kept with 2003SE until about a month ago.
Then an AKU2.3 ROM was released which I tested and it was muc quicker than the previous offerings. I'd be willing to say Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM is just as quick as 2003SE is, and its prettier :lol:
It's definately worth considering about upgrading now.
Thanks my friend. I'll give it a try. Are there any features (features of wm2003se and my pda2k) that I won't be able to use when I upgrade to helmi's wm5?
Hi there,
I would like tyo download WM5 BA ROM, but I'm affraid, there is no posibility to download any ROM from ftp server.
Threre are some problems with connection. Speed is very low.
Dowloading stopped after 10 MB...
Please tell me, how can I download ROM....
Thx,
MCS1
My experience with WM5 was not so good. It's so much slower than 2003SE! I recently downgraded and it's like night and day! 2003SE feels about 100 times faster than WM5 - especially all phone functions! It takes several seconds until a WM5 BA starts ringing, picking up takes eternally, so does hanging up, etc. Everything you do during normal use is much slower as well. It was really annoying using my BA with WM5, and now, back on 2003SE it's fantastic again.
If you don't desperately need any of the new functions of WM5 (like stereo bluetooth headsets and push email), I strongly recommend sticking with 2003SE!
Regards,
Martin
Hi, I just recently converted and I am loving it all the way. Go with Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM as it has given me very little problems, other that the need to just make sure that I read and understand the guide first.
I did find the phones operating speed somewhat slow, but then that is to be expected from a installation that was not meant for the phone. Same thing happens when you upgrade a PC witha new OS and it goes a bit slower. But what you can do is to help it a bit and what I did was to spend around £14 on XCPUScalar and overclocked the internal chip from the standard 400mhz to 530mhz. It is so easy to do, all you do is to install the application and then slide the slider to the required speed. It does mean that my phone battery does go quicker, and I have been trying out different scenarios and whereas during normal use, ie 45 minutes of mp3 listening in the morning and then again in ther evening while on journey to work, and around 10-20 calls a day, the battery used was around 75-85, now it completely drains my battery unless I use my spare.
The best thing to do is to invest in a USB data cable which charges the phone at the same time and even if you have a laptop, you can still charge the phone during the time that it is in the cradle.
The XCPUScalar does have a dynamic speed changing capapbility which basicaly changes the speed depending on CPU percentage used, but I found it slightly sluggish to kick in and just so much easier to stick it onto the 530mhz and just take my spare battery with me.
Now that I have it at 530mhz it works even better that I had hoped, all the functions and compatibility and even works faster that my previous 2003se.
Be careful thought that the process of upgrade may take a few times to get right, so make sure that you have either the whole day to spend on the upgrade or you have a spare phone to hand.
Extra tip, and very important, dont use a external USB hub to plug your phone as when you come to upgrade it gets stuck on the OS Upgrade screen and like me you will have a heart-attack until you figure out what the problem is...
Hope that helps.
Thanks for all answers. I upgraded to Helmi's AKU 3.2 and happy with it. I agree that phone feature gets slower but I can live with that. Other features are working normally and are not slower than 2003se. Maybe using XCPUScalar speeds up the machine but are you sure that using this porgramm will not harm the cpu? If yes, I can also try it.
afaik intel's xscalar cpu's were designed to run @ higher speeds and designed to be scaled up and down to save battery, but microsoft in thier infinate wisdom decided they couldnt be arsed.
So long as you dont enable the 'show frequencies above 500mhz' then afaik your phone is in no danger, however i would recommend enabling that and setting max speed @ 530 (but scaling) as sometimes thos extra 50mhz really help. meyself and a lot of other people have had no problems with it at this speed (i know black6spdz runs one of his @ 590mhz, and thats not dead yet :wink
hmmm, so I will try it
I find an IME switch problem： After I install CE-star 2.8 r1, it will installed two IME, one is chinese "chaji", the other is "chinese hand writing".
there have problems when I switching in those IME. it takes no effect. this problem appears int CE-star 2.8 r2 also
My mate just got the orbit and i really love the look and feel of it! Was planning all along to get the M700 too!
Can anyone tell me how the two compare - i know the tech differences but how about looks, feel, speed etc etc..
Thanks!
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My mate just got the orbit and i really love the look and feel of it! Was planning all along to get the M700 too!
Can anyone tell me how the two compare - i know the tech differences but how about looks, feel, speed etc etc..
Thanks!
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you should go into O2 & Orange shops and compare.
The M700 has a 400 Mhz cpu, but the OMAP in the Orbit is more efficient. Overclocked to around 260Mhz (at your own risk) it runs at about the same visible speed as the samsung.
The x and y dimensions of the M700 are only a smidgen larger, but it is 2mm thicker and 15% heavier then the O2 orbit. The battery also does not last as long.
If you want a smaller device and/or GPS you need the orbit. If 3G is critical to you, you need the M700.
The final thing to note is that Orange lock their PDAs, O2 do not.
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Thanks for that!
I'm now thinking about the orbit. If only i could go and check out the m700 but no shops are stocking them yet - no word on release date either!
Currently have wizard and find the omap processor on it rather sluggish when not overclocked so think i'lll need to do this to the orbit.
Can you tell me how to set the clock constantly overclocked? (at my own risk aside) is this safe? prob go for aroound 240 to be safe - this is what i do to my wizard and it makes alot of difference!
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Thanks for that!
I'm now thinking about the orbit. If only i could go and check out the m700 but no shops are stocking them yet - no word on release date either!
Currently have wizard and find the omap processor on it rather sluggish when not overclocked so think i'lll need to do this to the orbit.
Can you tell me how to set the clock constantly overclocked? (at my own risk aside) is this safe? prob go for aroound 240 to be safe - this is what i do to my wizard and it makes alot of difference!
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I had a wizard before and I think the orbit is slightly faster. It might be because WM5 on the orbit is a couple of service packs more advanced then the wizard, or that the implementation of the omap has improved abit. But its basically the same cpu, and if you found it sluggish before, you are likely to again.
I'd try in the shop before you buy, as its all personal preference.
There are many utils to overclock, I use omapclock. After a reboot you need to run it again. There is also omapclockplus which attempts to keep the overclocker running on reboot.
The best utility is the commercial one called xcpuscaler:
http://www.immiersoft.com/
Not only does this give you the most control, but you can set autoscaling for cpu load. e.g. if the cpu is less then 50% full you can set normal-or under clock, which saves battery.
there is an overclocking thread in this forum, have a read.
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stupid me, forgot to mention the overclocker I actually use now (batterystatus):
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_BatteryStatus_XDA_Neo_WM5_iM_cs.htm#Download
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colonel said:
stupid me, forgot to mention the overclocker I actually use now (batterystatus):
http://www.chi-tai.info/cs_BatteryStatus_XDA_Neo_WM5_iM_cs.htm#Download
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Thanks for that!
Will give it a bash when it arrives tomorrow!!
Also got the 2gb sd card on order.. going to format it with FAT32 and keep my fingers crossed i don't end up having to post in that 'other' thread!
Having looked at that link i'll prob just go with omap overclock - don't think i need the other functions of the software!
Anybody found anything useful on how to speed up this slow bugger? ive tried cleaner ROMS, wm 6.1, changing the pp, and doing the usual reg hacks for changing the glyph, font, and file system cache as high as they will go but...its still so slow all the time!
for a dual-core, brand new device...i was really expecting more.
anything anyone?
thanks.
You say it's slow but in what sense though..
Also, if you expect it to be PC fast then we all know it's not going to happen. Also, fast could be referring to personal preference (I think), cuz my device is fast in terms of menu responded in timely manner, connection is good enough. For most part, I don't have to wait 8 seconds for something to show up after I clicked it. But some programs I have require a little time to load like sprint tv it takes about 3 seconds.
Also, checkout HTC Performance, some say it worked on Touch some say it doesnt due to dual core in touch.
Good luck.
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You say it's slow but in what sense though..
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i mean that when i click "settings" in the start menu, i have to wait a good 3-4 seconds before it comes up, and another 3 seconds before it will respond. on a clean stock rom, 6.1, or dcd's 0.2.0 rom. messaging is (slightly?) slow to open...
not sure what other specific things there are. the device just seems to be overall sluggish.
thanks for the tip on the htc performance, i will give that a shot and see.
i just wish wizcode could put out their v5 build that supports the 7500 chipset! looks like the wait for a faster device and longer battery is still about a month off sadly...
HTC Performance won't work on the qualcomm processor in your device. I haven't seen any word yet on an overclocker for the qualcomm chips.
I find the vogue quite fast, but not as fast as my 624mhz dell axim x50v with wm6
thats stinkin fast.
My Mogul was faster then the damn Touch guys, come on... half as much RAM, otherwise, same hardware. Explain THAT. If HTC would just get off their collective asses and release the video drivers...
I agree, my XV6700 (WM6, Helmi) was quite a bit faster at some things.
I hate the lag I'm seeing on some of the buttons (end call for one even with hack to speed it up) and others.
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I agree, my XV6700 (WM6, Helmi) was quite a bit faster at some things.
I hate the lag I'm seeing on some of the buttons (end call for one even with hack to speed it up) and others.
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pretty sure that my dads axim x30, with ppc 2003 or whatever, has a screen that is A HUNDRED times more responsive/sensitive (pretty retarded of HTC to make an all touch device for the masses that isnt have as responsive as a device released 4-5 years ago) and the device just runs so much faster.
everything is instant on the x30. you barely even have to touch the screen, adn BAM. you are already there. whereas on the vogue you would still be in the process of getting the screen to recognize that you had touched it, then wait for it to respond and get moving.
true, that device has a 624mhz processor, but it only has half the ram. this device is 5 years newer with an os 5 years newer, yet still FAR slower.
it makes me so mad how unresponsive the screen on this device is compared to the x30.
I know the HTC Performance app supposedly doesn't work on our touch....but with mine overclocked to 524Mhz, it seems like everything just opens much faster. (I can especially tell with Opera and the Messaging app).
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I know the HTC Performance app supposedly doesn't work on our touch....but with mine overclocked to 524Mhz, it seems like everything just opens much faster. (I can especially tell with Opera and the Messaging app).
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hmm, strange. i didnt notice any difference when i tried it.
have you tried shutting off the "overclocking", waiting 10 seconds, then shutting down, then waiting 10 seconds, then poking the reset hole and trying the app's mentioned again? is there a definite speed increase if you try doing that?
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I find the vogue quite fast, but not as fast as my 624mhz dell axim x50v with wm6
thats stinkin fast.
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I have the X50V on the lastest wm6 rom and the vogue runs circles around it. The only way the x50v is fast is with one small application open. The only speed advantage I see is in games and videos because of built-in video acceleration.
Nate
Vogue is plenty fast for me.
The Touch Pro2 is a nice device and it choke once and a while running window mobile 6.5 and 6.5.5, but runs windows mobile 6.1 perfectly while searching the net i found this guide http://www.wmskins.com/blog/how-to-easily-boost-your-windows-mobile-performance i have yet to try it out but most likely i would test it out tomorrow running a 6.5 rom.
Just Wanted to share ^_^
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The Touch Pro2 is a nice device and it choke once and a while running window mobile 6.5 and 6.5.5, but runs windows mobile 6.1 perfectly while searching the net i found this guide http://www.wmskins.com/blog/how-to-easily-boost-your-windows-mobile-performance i have yet to try it out but most likely i would test it out tomorrow running a 6.5 rom.
Just Wanted to share ^_^
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The freeware apps mentioned are famous here at XDA. Pagepool changer is a great tool. CleanRAM is a must. And, HDTweak and Advanced Config just change the registry values for you (but I do the reg-tweaks myself).
There's a limit to what they can do, but it's better than nothing, I suppose. Note that it also depends on the ROM. The lighter the ROM, the better the performance.
Comparing my HD2 to my TP2, side-by-side -- my TP2 always looks slow!
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The freeware apps mentioned are famous here at XDA. Pagepool changer is a great tool. CleanRAM is a must. And, HDTweak and Advanced Config just change the registry values for you (but I do the reg-tweaks myself).
There's a limit to what they can do, but it's better than nothing, I suppose. Note that it also depends on the ROM. The lighter the ROM, the better the performance.
Comparing my HD2 to my TP2, side-by-side -- my TP2 always looks slow!
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haha true, the HD2 got a 1ghz processor and 512 MB of ram... faster processor to control the action of the phone, and more ram to do what ever u want ^_^... but all touch dont float BeEazy boat, that why im trying to get the best out of my Tp2 until another phone come out.
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haha true, the HD2 got a 1ghz processor and 512 MB of ram... faster processor to control the action of the phone, and more ram to do what ever u want ^_^... but all touch dont float BeEazy boat, that why im trying to get the best out of my Tp2 until another phone come out.
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lol But the thing is, once RAM usage goes up to 50% on my HD2, it's starts slowing down. I don't get it. When it's below 50%, it's lightning fast. I don't know if it's just something with the whole ROM or just Sense 2.5.
Back on topic... Look at what was just released. If you decide to overclock, just keep in mind the risks of doing so. I'll personally overclock my TP2 later (when the OC gets more stable).
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lol But the thing is, once RAM usage goes up to 50% on my HD2, it's starts slowing down. I don't get it. When it's below 50%, it's lightning fast. I don't know if it's just something with the whole ROM or just Sense 2.5.
Back on topic... Look at what was just released. If you decide to overclock, just keep in mind the risks of doing so. I'll personally overclock my TP2 later (when the OC gets more stable).
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that suck that the HD2 Starts to choke... and thank for the link
Hello!
I-m trying to apply several live wallpapers. Some crash, its acceptable.
Others, plain buggy. Example: Galatic Core.
I select it in the Livewallpapers selector, it does not error, and shows a black screen. i press settings, get the message "buy the app", and then it shows!
If i then select it, i get a black screen... and then the original wallpaper again.
Anyone got more luck than i ?
They were never meant to run on our phones so they will be iffy at best for performance
Also if your using cm6 that's a known issue across the board with them
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They were never meant to run on our phones so they will be iffy at best for performance
Also if your using cm6 that's a known issue across the board with them
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Could you guys please stop doing that ?
"" XPTO was not meant to run on our phone ""
What is it there... that our phones have... or have not... that make a given app not run ? Sure... we can agree on "it wasn't designed for 320x240. Ok, i agree too.
But either than that ?? Yeah, our CPU is the slower MSM on the field, at least compared to Diamonds/Raphaels and upwards... but hey!! We have 1/4 of the pixels to take care of. That sould give us some room...
Now, don't get me wrong. It was not designed to run Android. But that doesn't mean it was not meant to. Take for example a simple little phone, sold here on Portugal as Optimus Boston. It has a MSM cpu... it came with 1.6 running at 600mhz... but the latest update to Eclair 2.1... underclocked it to 480. My kaiser usually runs at 550. (official rom, its possible to have custom roms running at the original 600.) and it still is a great phone... look at the simple specs :
http://www.gsmarena.com/gigabyte_gsmart_g1305_boston-3201.php
Now, someone explain... why can't our Kaiser/Vogue/Polaris run Android like that leatle freak underclocked to 480 runs. Please.
The fact that we have absolutely no RAM doesn't play into it ever since sheer clock speed always determines speed, to be honest I haven't even seen them run well on my hero and I have it OC'd to 691
But hey if you want to argue about it there are links to the source around go in and fix the problem, most of the devs for this project have more important things to focus on at the moment
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The fact that we have absolutely no RAM doesn't play into it ever since sheer clock speed always determines speed, to be honest I haven't even seen them run well on my hero and I have it OC'd to 691
But hey if you want to argue about it there are links to the source around go in and fix the problem, most of the devs for this project have more important things to focus on at the moment
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Do not feel ofended. It was not my intention.
My point is that if we had accepted the slowness of our devices, we would never had attempted to port Android.
As for the RAM, agree.. it is a bottleneck...
Now, has for speed... i've seen them run well... on other devices of course.
I did many tests on my Kais130 Fresh Froyo, about livewallpapers
I agree with Daedric on the ability of our device.
I managed to run the "Grass" Wallpaper properly. Others, like Mario, Galactic Core, ... Sometimes with bugs and/or too many resources used.
It seems to me that LiveWallpapers work less well in the latest Froyo
Well were not the slowest android phone anymore. But that doesnt mean much, we still have a lot of instability. The ram limitation can be overcome with comp cache (virtual memory) but that brings only more instability and adds overhead that we don't need. Also the performance just isnt there yet. Our phones beat only one phone and thats because that phone doesnt have froyo on it. Otherwise it would beat ours out. Also that was with my kaiser overclocked to 572 mhz with a gpu overclock as well. Any other phone msm 7200 phone at those speeds kick our kaisers ass. I think the resource intense ones are just not meant to work well at all for us. My background works at least lol, I use a background that shows the core of a 486 cpu.
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Well were not the slowest android phone anymore. But that doesnt mean much, we still have a lot of instability. The ram limitation can be overcome with comp cache (virtual memory) but that brings only more instability and adds overhead that we don't need. Also the performance just isnt there yet. Our phones beat only one phone and thats because that phone doesnt have froyo on it. Otherwise it would beat ours out. Also that was with my kaiser overclocked to 572 mhz with a gpu overclock as well. Any other phone msm 7200 phone at those speeds kick our kaisers ass. I think the resource intense ones are just not meant to work well at all for us. My background works at least lol, I use a background that shows the core of a 486 cpu.
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Should we assume... that at the same speed, diferent MSM devices offer diferent performance ? Or, are we simply doing still things wrong, i don't know, perhaps a poor schedule, buggy drivers which introduce lag, perhaps the graphic one.
We must remember, they kick our kaiser hard, but they have much more pixels, how can that be ?