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Hi all, I am all confused about which Windows Mobile 5 ROM version to load to my Blueangle. I read forums about these different ROMs but I got more confused. Which ROM do you reccomend?

Helmi_C AKU3.2 v1.3 beta is currently the best one out in general.

Can you tell me more about this ROM's performance? What do you think when you compare it with wm2003se? Do you think it is worth to upgrade to wm5 from wm2003se? Thanks.

I really dislike alot of the early WM5 roms because I thought they were unbearably slow so I kept with 2003SE until about a month ago.
Then an AKU2.3 ROM was released which I tested and it was muc quicker than the previous offerings. I'd be willing to say Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM is just as quick as 2003SE is, and its prettier :lol:
It's definately worth considering about upgrading now.

Thanks my friend. I'll give it a try. Are there any features (features of wm2003se and my pda2k) that I won't be able to use when I upgrade to helmi's wm5?

Hi there,
I would like tyo download WM5 BA ROM, but I'm affraid, there is no posibility to download any ROM from ftp server.
Threre are some problems with connection. Speed is very low.
Dowloading stopped after 10 MB...
Please tell me, how can I download ROM....
Thx,
MCS1

My experience with WM5 was not so good. It's so much slower than 2003SE! I recently downgraded and it's like night and day! 2003SE feels about 100 times faster than WM5 - especially all phone functions! It takes several seconds until a WM5 BA starts ringing, picking up takes eternally, so does hanging up, etc. Everything you do during normal use is much slower as well. It was really annoying using my BA with WM5, and now, back on 2003SE it's fantastic again.
If you don't desperately need any of the new functions of WM5 (like stereo bluetooth headsets and push email), I strongly recommend sticking with 2003SE!
Regards,
Martin

Hi, I just recently converted and I am loving it all the way. Go with Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM as it has given me very little problems, other that the need to just make sure that I read and understand the guide first.
I did find the phones operating speed somewhat slow, but then that is to be expected from a installation that was not meant for the phone. Same thing happens when you upgrade a PC witha new OS and it goes a bit slower. But what you can do is to help it a bit and what I did was to spend around £14 on XCPUScalar and overclocked the internal chip from the standard 400mhz to 530mhz. It is so easy to do, all you do is to install the application and then slide the slider to the required speed. It does mean that my phone battery does go quicker, and I have been trying out different scenarios and whereas during normal use, ie 45 minutes of mp3 listening in the morning and then again in ther evening while on journey to work, and around 10-20 calls a day, the battery used was around 75-85, now it completely drains my battery unless I use my spare.
The best thing to do is to invest in a USB data cable which charges the phone at the same time and even if you have a laptop, you can still charge the phone during the time that it is in the cradle.
The XCPUScalar does have a dynamic speed changing capapbility which basicaly changes the speed depending on CPU percentage used, but I found it slightly sluggish to kick in and just so much easier to stick it onto the 530mhz and just take my spare battery with me.
Now that I have it at 530mhz it works even better that I had hoped, all the functions and compatibility and even works faster that my previous 2003se.
Be careful thought that the process of upgrade may take a few times to get right, so make sure that you have either the whole day to spend on the upgrade or you have a spare phone to hand.
Extra tip, and very important, dont use a external USB hub to plug your phone as when you come to upgrade it gets stuck on the OS Upgrade screen and like me you will have a heart-attack until you figure out what the problem is...
Hope that helps.

Thanks for all answers. I upgraded to Helmi's AKU 3.2 and happy with it. I agree that phone feature gets slower but I can live with that. Other features are working normally and are not slower than 2003se. Maybe using XCPUScalar speeds up the machine but are you sure that using this porgramm will not harm the cpu? If yes, I can also try it.

afaik intel's xscalar cpu's were designed to run @ higher speeds and designed to be scaled up and down to save battery, but microsoft in thier infinate wisdom decided they couldnt be arsed.
So long as you dont enable the 'show frequencies above 500mhz' then afaik your phone is in no danger, however i would recommend enabling that and setting max speed @ 530 (but scaling) as sometimes thos extra 50mhz really help. meyself and a lot of other people have had no problems with it at this speed (i know black6spdz runs one of his @ 590mhz, and thats not dead yet :wink

hmmm, so I will try it

I find an IME switch problem： After I install CE-star 2.8 r1, it will installed two IME, one is chinese "chaji", the other is "chinese hand writing".
there have problems when I switching in those IME. it takes no effect. this problem appears int CE-star 2.8 r2 also

is Universal very slow...

Hi all... I need your help... I have a Blue Angel and I want to buy a universal. But I read that Universal is very slow in compare with fx. blue angel... Is it tru? How can it be true...! because BA`a processor is 400 mhz..! Please tell me a little abouet universal... What is hot and not... thanx...

BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great

AlanJC said:
BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great
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Thank you for your answer... But my BA with wm5 is very faster then BA with WM2003... And I think speed is VERY important, if you would like enjoy your machine... and yes the display is what makes the universal great : )
by the way... you said Uni running WM5 runs from NAND. What is nand?thanks again...

For an explenation of NAND memory look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#NAND_memories
It's true the universal was very slow at first but with the new rom's comming out it actually performs quite up to speed imho.

I agree it's faster than the AKU2 and earlier days, but it's still slow compared to a BA running from RAM, especially when you run things like TomTom or anything else that renders the whole screen in high res.

thanks for link for NAND... Is it so a minus that uni run from nand. Can I also change the Q... What is the plus and minus with the universal... I have now a BA. I know uni has a great display but is there anything else that can be a reason to buy and use an universal in stead of BA?

I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.

Midget_1990 said:
I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.
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so you say the speed is not annoying...

I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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vijay555 said:
I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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Can you tell me how to put the default OS Skin without losing the video call button?
And also how to speed up the processor without overclocking it?
Thanks

I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
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VJ: can you recommend an application for the uni to clock it up to 624?

I think Pocket Hack Master is the standard recommendation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=246214
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vijay555 said:
I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
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Thanks for the info.
I try'd the OS phone skin and didn't noticed much diference. So I switched back to my previous one from Helmi-c rom.
One bigger problem that I have with this skin is that i'm using the VGA hack version of Helmi_c rom (the latest version) and sometimes when I switch from the phone skin to the today screen, the phone hangs and only the bottom bar works, so I have to rebbot the phone to comeback to normal. I'm using the vga phone hack too.

I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
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vijay555 said:
I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
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That is what i'm using, but why don't you recomend it?
Is there any alternative to make the dialpad big for VGA hack?

I thought there were some hacked versions of the Eten skins or similar for VGA... not sure tho. I don't use my own apps..
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TouchPro2 w/android 2? touchpro2VShero?

hey friends,
I'm still wondering about these two.
is there a way to put the android 2 and sense in the touchpro 2?
that's a consideration for the phone.
regarding droid, well, i hear motorola still trying to regain themselves and i had no good experience with their phones (especially voice quality and performance), so i'm not so sure about the droid.
moreover, i'd like to hear you guys out, if the answer for android 2 to TP2 is a YES, which one is better, the hero or the TP2?
how's the user experience with small-medium palms with the keyboard?
how's the performance? lag time? loadbalance?
how's wm6.5?
preety much noob in all that stuff, but still i have so many answers missing. internet reviews are not that helpful though, not comparing to XDA anyway
please, you're help.
Thanks.

There is no info because it can't be done. You can't run android on TP2 at the moment, and if it happens to run on it, you will have to boot WinMo first so that being said, you will sort off be running 2 os's... so speed will be slow, might as well stick with WinMo 6.5.

Thanks,
I was hoping for a summarized reply
now,
I'm NOT a buisness user, but i'm moving on to work in QA.
I'd like to have excel and word on my phone,
i'd like the thought i can run pc-like apps for winmo (say dosbox for running games) or a lot of others (heroes of might and magic?),
i like customizations, i guess i'll sometime NEED push emails to my phone,
web browsing is actually not so issue to me, unless it's the ONLY alternative.
so i guess winmo is better for me?
or does the hero can do the job? (is it true it gets android 2? sense too?)
which OS is better for me?
i'm looking at the near future but i cannot see past to the long run, so i really have no idea which one to take on both phones. Keyboard can be VERY useful for writing documents and playing games \ browsing i guess.
can u play games that require buttons on the hero?
and a noob question, can i run XP apps on winmo 6.5 or do they need to be adjusted for it?
a lot of questions but they'r the branches of the original, i'd apretiate the answers. The main idea is to take something that may fit my needs & usage, and not something needs to be suited for them.
thanks again.

I say you should go for WM.
Just because you are going to use word excel and other programs.
This just isn't possible on Android. (yet)

Same question
I hear ya HTCwannabe
I am deciding on the TP2 vs Hero for my wife who will be using for business function more than movies, pics, movies and games.
I went and saw both at a local store to actually see them and feel the hardware. Both are quality construction.
I have to say, Android is great, but, as a business user, I have to say that WM is the better way to go and having the keyboard is great too.
Not to say Android won't become more introduced into the business world, but Android is just hitting puberty with 2.0.
I really want to give Hero a chance and "make it work", but too scared.
Probably going with TP2 for now after I do a bit more research.

First of all, I can edit Excel and word docs on my G1, so that is NOT WM only.
Second of all, Hero runs on version 1.5 (Cupcake). HTC has not updated to Android 2.0 (Eclair) for the Android version of Sense. I'll be honest with you, I switched from Android to the TP2, for one reason, Android is a battery hog. With a $50 extended battery (That added significantly to the size of the phone) I got less then 10 hours of battery. The task management is pretty much crap on that device right now.
So if you need a phone that'll last for at LEAST a day (Heavy Internet/AIM/Skype/SMS/Phone calls) and that has a good speaker phone, you are going to want to go with the TP2.
If you don't care about Battery, want free turn by turn directions, an AWESOME App market, then you want to get an Android device. *EDIT* Also way better games on WM. I have Warcraft 2, and Age of Empires. You can't just run programs from XP, it has to be modified/ported over. However, as I said, I have the full version of Warcraft 2, so it obviously can be done. If anyone finds StarCraft/Quake 2, and sends me a PM, you'll be my best friend! lol
I have heard a RUMOR (from an unverified internet blog/thread) that when the HTC HD2 arrives in America, it will have two flavors - Android, and WinMo. So you may want to wait till the HD2 is out, because if it does come out in two flavors, I'm positive someone will get it to dual boot, or you will at least be able to change from one to the other with a simple flash. (Assuming of course that they stick identical hardware into both devices.)

Although I'm kinda biased, I'd say the Touch Pro2 is the way to go. It's an excellent device, the best I've ever had. As others have said, Android is still kind of young, and not the best quite yet. Also, as someone else has mentioned, the battery life is abysmal. I ran it on my HTC TyTN II and I couldn't get a full day out of it. On the same device, I could go 2 days without recharging.
Regarding Android on the Touch Pro2, it is possible. However, it is NOT possible at this time. The developers are still working on hardware support. Eventually, they will release a .zip file with all the necessary files. You put them on your SD card, and run an executable which will start Android and kick Windows Mobile out of RAM. This means that for now you still have to boot WM before you boot Android. And also, you might have to wait a while before stuff like the camera, GPS antenna, and keyboard are fully supported. After a while, they'll probably be able to get Android fully working. Also, there is a project that is centered around getting linux natively booting with code injection, but that's gonna move slowly.
As for the HD2 Android rumor, I don't believe that will happen. HTC should be releasing a device with comparable specs to the HD2, except with Android.

Touchpro2
I have touchpro2 and this is my opinion based on friends of mine that have android
1)battery power- android on heavy use only last 3 hours max...touchpro2 7-8 hours.
2) All buisness apps plus voice quality ,internet sharing,etc. right out the box. No updates requires.
3)As far as games konami has signed a contract to make games for touchpro2 so in 1-3 month you see major improvement plus lots of freeware games you can find online.
4)windows mobile will be able to run android later on anyway...so whats sense of buying android lol!!!
The only advantage android has is its a little faster and thats about it. For now they have better selection of games by a little margin. Windows Mobile is the way to go. In couple days I will release a 6 level arcade shooter for free so that should help your gamming fix. Any other questions just ask

I really don't understand the idea of "heavy usage" being given here for the TP2.
There is no way I could get more than a few hours of heavy usage out of mine. If I have a really slow data connection it improves battery life because it stops the thing heating up but with full on HSDPA the battery gets eaten through really very quickly. A flight doesn't haveto be delayed for very long before I have to reach for the charger.
And that's without using the GPS. Have you tried walking about with Google Maps connected to HSDPA and GPS whilst getting calls over bluetooth? Battery life is really only 2-3 hours, if that!
This has been pretty much the same (although the TP2 is the best) with every HTC device I have ever owned.
I am not saying Android is any better but I'm not sure if it's the OS, more the number of features sucking the power.

dik23 said:
I really don't understand the idea of "heavy usage" being given here for the TP2.
There is no way I could get more than a few hours of heavy usage out of mine. If I have a really slow data connection it improves battery life because it stops the thing heating up but with full on HSDPA the battery gets eaten through really very quickly. A flight doesn't haveto be delayed for very long before I have to reach for the charger.
And that's without using the GPS. Have you tried walking about with Google Maps connected to HSDPA and GPS whilst getting calls over bluetooth? Battery life is really only 2-3 hours, if that!
Ok honestly any phone that you make calls over bluetooth will zip mega energy , theres no way around that. As far as overheating thats an issue. If you have insurance I suggest you tell them your touchpro2 is overheating and to send you a replacement. Your touchpro2 should not get hot like that.
The android under the same use as you just talked about in the above quote will only last an hour tops!! I dare any android user to say it lasts longer under those conditions.
As far as apps and games concerned I found awesome apps
I put them up when i get a chance or link them here. The amount of programs does use up alot of energy , but when 6.5 official rom comes it will reduce battery consumtion by about 30%. Long live the King!!
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Where did I say overheat ?
I gets warm/hot depending on definition and every HTC device I have had does the same when dealing with high data throughput, just like the Wifi card on your PC will warm up when transferring large files. It's normal, but it's also a waste of battery power.
Anyway, it's kind of difficult to compare the power usage of an OS without having the exact same hardware to test both on.
Has this ever been done ?

Yes in a way
dik23 said:
Where did I say overheat ?
I gets warm/hot depending on definition and every HTC device I have had does the same when dealing with high data throughput, just like the Wifi card on your PC will warm up when transferring large files. It's normal, but it's also a waste of battery power.
Anyway, it's kind of difficult to compare the power usage of an OS without having the exact same hardware to test both on.
Has this ever been done ?
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Well right now as it stands no one has the same OS on both systems but even with half of the programs that touchpro2 has the G2 last less. But I talk facts and not my opinion. So the only thing I can compare is this.
With internet on only surfing thru websites no downolading the G2 last about
2hours45 minutes. Thats 15 minutes less than testers of large magazines said it lasted.
Touchpro2 with internet on surfing thru websites and downloading (i couldnt resist saw some apps) lasted about
6hours 25 min. Me and my friend david( G2 fanboy) did the test. The only variable is david had his phone for 10 months and I had mine 8 months. But I dont think 2 months could have put a dent in his battery that bad. Anyone else test this out.

Not very scientific

go on cnet then
dik23 said:
Not very scientific
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1. Iam not a scientist lol .
2. Thats the best I can do...I really dont know what your looking for. I just compared battery power.
3. If you want to be very detailed I did a search for you ...go on google type...cnet reviews G2..
4)then after that type..cnet reviews touchpro2..
5)Finally everyone here tries to help there no need for sarcasm. I always try to find answer for anyone who asks. Enjoy your cnet reviews . peace.

Sorry if I didn't find you and your friend browsing the internet on your phones a good comparison of two OS' power usage, and those two reviews still aren't comparing the same hardware.
Without a comparison in which all other influencing factors are ruled out it is impossible to reach any conclusion either way.

what?
dik23 said:
Sorry if I didn't find you and your friend browsing the internet on your phones a good comparison of two OS' power usage, and those two reviews still aren't comparing the same hardware.
Without a comparison in which all other influencing factors are ruled out it is impossible to reach any conclusion either way.
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1. Both phones will never have the same hardware or software. Microsoft and google are 2 different companies aiming for different uses.HTC produces both according to what the companies are aiming for. So that comparision will never happen. Its just not possible.
2. Mircosoft doesnt put consideration into games or total speed. Microsoft concentrates on buisness and navagation apps. Microsoft also has better and more frequent updates to thier OS. The bad part is sometimes Mircosoft OS is slow.
3.Android is more a youth movement. Games and apps for teens to young adult is googles focus. Google doesnt recieve updates regularly so critical errors in thier OS usually dont get fix without a long waitinig period. Android however is faster as far as interfacing and jumping from app to app.

Well, I do think that there are some people on this board that would like to disagree on your first point since they are currently trying to make Android work on the TP2 and other WM devices. "It's just not possible" is a bit strong.
You may be correct with the Microsoft concentrating on business but since when have they released any navigation software ? If it exists please give me a link. I know there are a lot of 3rd party navigation apps and Google have their maps and new navigation app (only for Android 2.x in the US at the moment). But Microsoft ?
And saying that WM is slow in comparison is, yet again, impossible to gauge without a proper test, trying to exclude other factors.
I'm not sure about this teen thing with relation to Android either. Apple maybe. And the idea that Google doesn't release fixes quick enough kind of misses the point of open source. I'm aware certain parts of any released Android firmware are closed but the fact most of it's open means that you don't have to wait for a fix, you can do it yourself, or if you're not that way inclined you can get a fix from people who are. With Microsoft, however, you do have to wait and that is that.

conterpoints
As far as running android on touchpro2 , if it happens, I put money on it that touchpro2 will run the android OS faster than G2. The reason I say this is because touchpro2 handle on a daily basis way more programs. With Andriod it comes with the basics internet,google maps,youtube,clock, calender,notepad, sorry Iam having a hard time listing cant think of too much that it comes with.
Windows Mobile touchpro2 I dont even have the time to list
what it comes with but I know you already know.
As far as navagation I dont really use much except for what comes with the touchpro2 is good but I have seen some in these 2 websties www.freewarepocketpc.net and
www.wm6software.com . Hope that helps if I have some time later I find direct links for you.
As far as making applications I only know the basics of making games for touchpro2. If you want to and have time I invite you to my website , its the link on my signature. I enjoy debates like this one , Iam glad I could find someone who can hold intelligent conversation like you without flaming.
I have only 1 question why is it just you and me in this conversation , I was hoping more people would join in , this topic we are discussing is not complex. I was hoping someone else with access to both phones like me would have run a test too and see what thier fesult was.

I moved to the Touch Pro 2 from the G1 (still have it), and I have to say that I get MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better battery life from the Touch Pro 2 than I EVER did from the G1. The Android OS has no task manager (w/o it being rooted/cooked, which I have) and even then, it won't end every application and doesn't save much battery life. The Android OS was less dependable (IMO,) ex: my alarm was unreliable due to sometimes me waking up and it would give me a process error... My Touch Pro 2 would never have that issue (which was recurring atleast 3 times a week on my G1.) I don't know that i would necessarily say that the Android OS is "faster"... but just that it does run "smoother" than sense... I loved Android, but it did happen to be kind of a children's phone (I'm only 22 lol!) and I am in the military so I have to have a very reliable phone! Just my opinion... No "scientific testing" or anything... But I do believe that Zarpy is probably pretty correct in his findings whether they were scientific or not~

army!
If your in military I will assume you like shooting games. This freeware shooter might be fun for you to play try it here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5289209#post5289209
enjoy!

Do you use android installed on an unofficial device more than 70% of the time?

Just trying to get an idea of how much it's actually being used as a day to day os on devices designed for WM

no my battery doesnt last that long. mostly probably do to the power management problem. once that is fixed and everything runs pretty smooth, i plan on using it 100%

i try to use it as long as i can. so i live it charging all the time wen im home. other den tht i use 6.5

mikentucson said:
no my battery doesnt last that long. mostly probably do to the power management problem. once that is fixed and everything runs pretty smooth, i plan on using it 100%
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the same here...

i don't use android 70% of the time yet. that is because i don't have a data plan (thank greek carriers for that!! ). i try to find, download, and install apps from my notebook but i don't find many.
i'd say i "play" with android up to 20% atm. but when wifi gets up and running i might use android all day long.
thank all the devs who make this happen!! keep up the good work guys (... and ladies)!!

Nope, but only because we have no powermanagement and sound - for now... I'm hoping these two issues will be solved one day, but i have NO idea if it ever will be

yep. i can say that i use it 70% per day or even more.
switching to winmo only when the battery is low or when i need to charge it ;p
Other than that its XDAndroid as long as possibile

about 25%
i like to keep on window os because htc sense have more information at the screen with out going in to any apps than any os out there.

BobbyManifesto said:
yep. i can say that i use it 70% per day or even more.
switching to winmo only when the battery is low or when i need to charge it ;p
Other than that its XDAndroid as long as possibile
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Same. My battery life is five hours or so. That's longer than the iPhone 3Gs so if other people can do it...I am sure we can too.

agree with U joshua on mine it is pretty much the same as on yours (5 to 5,5 hrs)
what ive discovered just a moment ago- i dont need to charge batt when im launching Haret to be able to charge the phone while using android (lol) i just plug the extUSB (pc or wall charger- doesnt matter), n after couple of secs it displays info on lock screen that the phone is charged..
so actually it is charging ( no iritating green or orange led )
is it only on my Rhodium?

At the moment only running new builds to see what's new.
Will dual boot when wifi, hw3d are finished, will make it permanent when sound and power management are done.
Android on the TP2 is the perfect combination that just wasnt available when the TP2 was launched and my contract was up for renewal - Hi-res screen + keyboard

How do you people do this? 5 hours is nothing. I won't even consider it until there is power management and sound.

petard said:
How do you people do this? 5 hours is nothing. I won't even consider it until there is power management and sound.
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No need for sound if I'm at work. And I get to play with it at work...plug it in just before lunch and all is well.
Not to mention, I can freely flash whatever WM ROM I want and not have to worry about MMS and text messages not working.
Android has been my first choice for messaging, emails, browsing and apps for over a week now. I only use the WM for conference calls and YouTube.

not yet... but once wifi power manaement and opengl are there i plan on using it 100% too...
i play with itg though from time to time and i must say before 2 months i never would have imagined it would be there this fast....

I agree. I really need for the sound, power management, wifi and bluetooth to be working 100% for me to use it more than I do on my Touch Pro 2.

Once Wifi, Sound and power management work, I would consider using it more than WM, but without these features I can't utilise my phone properly.
There's been great progress in a relatively short time, so perhaps this will be possible within a few months... though by that time I might have another phone

on alot of devices with xdandroid, things like gps and camera dont work. if everything worked and it had the prettyness of 1.6 with sense and all the features of 2.1 like navigation and live wallpapers, i might just switch. especially with the ui changes in 6.5.x. i have a feeling the next android phone htc releases will not be such a collaboration with google so it will have sense instead of "the google experience" and it will be wvga as all htc devices are from now on. so i think we will have sense then.

I probably run Andriod for about 20 mins every time there's a significant new build. Not much point in a phone that doesn't have any sound

As others have said as soon as power management is in, so am I. I move around too much during the day to leave it plugged in so as soon as I can get ~12 hours on a charge I'm sold.

mikkelnl said:
Nope, but only because we have no powermanagement and sound - for now... I'm hoping these two issues will be solved one day, but i have NO idea if it ever will be
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Same Here!!!!

Boost Your Tp2

The Touch Pro2 is a nice device and it choke once and a while running window mobile 6.5 and 6.5.5, but runs windows mobile 6.1 perfectly while searching the net i found this guide http://www.wmskins.com/blog/how-to-easily-boost-your-windows-mobile-performance i have yet to try it out but most likely i would test it out tomorrow running a 6.5 rom.
Just Wanted to share ^_^

BeEazy10 said:
The Touch Pro2 is a nice device and it choke once and a while running window mobile 6.5 and 6.5.5, but runs windows mobile 6.1 perfectly while searching the net i found this guide http://www.wmskins.com/blog/how-to-easily-boost-your-windows-mobile-performance i have yet to try it out but most likely i would test it out tomorrow running a 6.5 rom.
Just Wanted to share ^_^
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The freeware apps mentioned are famous here at XDA. Pagepool changer is a great tool. CleanRAM is a must. And, HDTweak and Advanced Config just change the registry values for you (but I do the reg-tweaks myself).
There's a limit to what they can do, but it's better than nothing, I suppose. Note that it also depends on the ROM. The lighter the ROM, the better the performance.
Comparing my HD2 to my TP2, side-by-side -- my TP2 always looks slow!

sumflipnol said:
The freeware apps mentioned are famous here at XDA. Pagepool changer is a great tool. CleanRAM is a must. And, HDTweak and Advanced Config just change the registry values for you (but I do the reg-tweaks myself).
There's a limit to what they can do, but it's better than nothing, I suppose. Note that it also depends on the ROM. The lighter the ROM, the better the performance.
Comparing my HD2 to my TP2, side-by-side -- my TP2 always looks slow!
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haha true, the HD2 got a 1ghz processor and 512 MB of ram... faster processor to control the action of the phone, and more ram to do what ever u want ^_^... but all touch dont float BeEazy boat, that why im trying to get the best out of my Tp2 until another phone come out.

BeEazy10 said:
haha true, the HD2 got a 1ghz processor and 512 MB of ram... faster processor to control the action of the phone, and more ram to do what ever u want ^_^... but all touch dont float BeEazy boat, that why im trying to get the best out of my Tp2 until another phone come out.
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lol But the thing is, once RAM usage goes up to 50% on my HD2, it's starts slowing down. I don't get it. When it's below 50%, it's lightning fast. I don't know if it's just something with the whole ROM or just Sense 2.5.
Back on topic... Look at what was just released. If you decide to overclock, just keep in mind the risks of doing so. I'll personally overclock my TP2 later (when the OC gets more stable).

sumflipnol said:
lol But the thing is, once RAM usage goes up to 50% on my HD2, it's starts slowing down. I don't get it. When it's below 50%, it's lightning fast. I don't know if it's just something with the whole ROM or just Sense 2.5.
Back on topic... Look at what was just released. If you decide to overclock, just keep in mind the risks of doing so. I'll personally overclock my TP2 later (when the OC gets more stable).
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that suck that the HD2 Starts to choke... and thank for the link