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Hi all, I am all confused about which Windows Mobile 5 ROM version to load to my Blueangle. I read forums about these different ROMs but I got more confused. Which ROM do you reccomend?

Helmi_C AKU3.2 v1.3 beta is currently the best one out in general.

Can you tell me more about this ROM's performance? What do you think when you compare it with wm2003se? Do you think it is worth to upgrade to wm5 from wm2003se? Thanks.

I really dislike alot of the early WM5 roms because I thought they were unbearably slow so I kept with 2003SE until about a month ago.
Then an AKU2.3 ROM was released which I tested and it was muc quicker than the previous offerings. I'd be willing to say Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM is just as quick as 2003SE is, and its prettier :lol:
It's definately worth considering about upgrading now.

Thanks my friend. I'll give it a try. Are there any features (features of wm2003se and my pda2k) that I won't be able to use when I upgrade to helmi's wm5?

Hi there,
I would like tyo download WM5 BA ROM, but I'm affraid, there is no posibility to download any ROM from ftp server.
Threre are some problems with connection. Speed is very low.
Dowloading stopped after 10 MB...
Please tell me, how can I download ROM....
Thx,
MCS1

My experience with WM5 was not so good. It's so much slower than 2003SE! I recently downgraded and it's like night and day! 2003SE feels about 100 times faster than WM5 - especially all phone functions! It takes several seconds until a WM5 BA starts ringing, picking up takes eternally, so does hanging up, etc. Everything you do during normal use is much slower as well. It was really annoying using my BA with WM5, and now, back on 2003SE it's fantastic again.
If you don't desperately need any of the new functions of WM5 (like stereo bluetooth headsets and push email), I strongly recommend sticking with 2003SE!
Regards,
Martin

Hi, I just recently converted and I am loving it all the way. Go with Helmi's AKU3.2 ROM as it has given me very little problems, other that the need to just make sure that I read and understand the guide first.
I did find the phones operating speed somewhat slow, but then that is to be expected from a installation that was not meant for the phone. Same thing happens when you upgrade a PC witha new OS and it goes a bit slower. But what you can do is to help it a bit and what I did was to spend around £14 on XCPUScalar and overclocked the internal chip from the standard 400mhz to 530mhz. It is so easy to do, all you do is to install the application and then slide the slider to the required speed. It does mean that my phone battery does go quicker, and I have been trying out different scenarios and whereas during normal use, ie 45 minutes of mp3 listening in the morning and then again in ther evening while on journey to work, and around 10-20 calls a day, the battery used was around 75-85, now it completely drains my battery unless I use my spare.
The best thing to do is to invest in a USB data cable which charges the phone at the same time and even if you have a laptop, you can still charge the phone during the time that it is in the cradle.
The XCPUScalar does have a dynamic speed changing capapbility which basicaly changes the speed depending on CPU percentage used, but I found it slightly sluggish to kick in and just so much easier to stick it onto the 530mhz and just take my spare battery with me.
Now that I have it at 530mhz it works even better that I had hoped, all the functions and compatibility and even works faster that my previous 2003se.
Be careful thought that the process of upgrade may take a few times to get right, so make sure that you have either the whole day to spend on the upgrade or you have a spare phone to hand.
Extra tip, and very important, dont use a external USB hub to plug your phone as when you come to upgrade it gets stuck on the OS Upgrade screen and like me you will have a heart-attack until you figure out what the problem is...
Hope that helps.

Thanks for all answers. I upgraded to Helmi's AKU 3.2 and happy with it. I agree that phone feature gets slower but I can live with that. Other features are working normally and are not slower than 2003se. Maybe using XCPUScalar speeds up the machine but are you sure that using this porgramm will not harm the cpu? If yes, I can also try it.

afaik intel's xscalar cpu's were designed to run @ higher speeds and designed to be scaled up and down to save battery, but microsoft in thier infinate wisdom decided they couldnt be arsed.
So long as you dont enable the 'show frequencies above 500mhz' then afaik your phone is in no danger, however i would recommend enabling that and setting max speed @ 530 (but scaling) as sometimes thos extra 50mhz really help. meyself and a lot of other people have had no problems with it at this speed (i know black6spdz runs one of his @ 590mhz, and thats not dead yet :wink

hmmm, so I will try it

I find an IME switch problem： After I install CE-star 2.8 r1, it will installed two IME, one is chinese "chaji", the other is "chinese hand writing".
there have problems when I switching in those IME. it takes no effect. this problem appears int CE-star 2.8 r2 also

is Universal very slow...

Hi all... I need your help... I have a Blue Angel and I want to buy a universal. But I read that Universal is very slow in compare with fx. blue angel... Is it tru? How can it be true...! because BA`a processor is 400 mhz..! Please tell me a little abouet universal... What is hot and not... thanx...

BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great

AlanJC said:
BA is 400mhz powering a 320x240 display.
Uni is 520mhz powering 640x480 display.
BA running WM2003se runs from RAM.
Uni running WM5 runs from NAND.
The Uni is slower, but it's a far better device If your BA is running WM5, then it's already slower than the BA running WM2003se, but the display is what makes the Universal great
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Thank you for your answer... But my BA with wm5 is very faster then BA with WM2003... And I think speed is VERY important, if you would like enjoy your machine... and yes the display is what makes the universal great : )
by the way... you said Uni running WM5 runs from NAND. What is nand?thanks again...

For an explenation of NAND memory look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory#NAND_memories
It's true the universal was very slow at first but with the new rom's comming out it actually performs quite up to speed imho.

I agree it's faster than the AKU2 and earlier days, but it's still slow compared to a BA running from RAM, especially when you run things like TomTom or anything else that renders the whole screen in high res.

thanks for link for NAND... Is it so a minus that uni run from nand. Can I also change the Q... What is the plus and minus with the universal... I have now a BA. I know uni has a great display but is there anything else that can be a reason to buy and use an universal in stead of BA?

I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.

Midget_1990 said:
I Used to have a BA, the universal beats it in every way except size.
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so you say the speed is not annoying...

I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
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vijay555 said:
I don't know how many of you are running the HTC phone skins, but that certainly is a major slow down. If you use the OS default phone skin it speeds things up significantly.
The processor can also be kicked up to full speed (not exactly overclocking, since it's a standard clock speed), and things will fly along, although I've never found the need to do so.
It's fast enough. It's not going to beat Blue Gene or anything, but it works and is a nice device. Particularly at VGA.
V
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Can you tell me how to put the default OS Skin without losing the video call button?
And also how to speed up the processor without overclocking it?
Thanks

I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
V

VJ: can you recommend an application for the uni to clock it up to 624?

I think Pocket Hack Master is the standard recommendation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=246214
V

vijay555 said:
I don't use video calling but you can access video calling externally, don't have to use the video call button. However, frankly I've not investigated this much, so in you case it may be worth sticking with the phone skin.
Since it also disables dialing prediction I think, stick it out if you need that stuff.
But do try it with the OS skin just to see how much difference it makes!
Speed up the processor - the standard overclockers do this I imagine.
I wrote a clock speed changer that will notch up the speed: I don't consider this overclocking, since the pxa27x specifies it can be clocked to 624mhz, just normally isn't. This app was unreleased since it's only for my research, and not required since other apps do the same better.
V
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Thanks for the info.
I try'd the OS phone skin and didn't noticed much diference. So I switched back to my previous one from Helmi-c rom.
One bigger problem that I have with this skin is that i'm using the VGA hack version of Helmi_c rom (the latest version) and sometimes when I switch from the phone skin to the today screen, the phone hangs and only the bottom bar works, so I have to rebbot the phone to comeback to normal. I'm using the vga phone hack too.

I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
V

vijay555 said:
I don't recommend using it, but have you tried VJBigPhone?
V
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That is what i'm using, but why don't you recomend it?
Is there any alternative to make the dialpad big for VGA hack?

I thought there were some hacked versions of the Eten skins or similar for VGA... not sure tho. I don't use my own apps..
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overclocking

Hi,
Does over clocking the compact III give it more performance?
How does one overclock it in the first place?
i tried to search the artemis threads but could not find any information

Search for Battery Status Today Plugin

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282006&highlight=artemis+overclock

thanks for the response and the link
how did i miss that one ??

No problem. I had the same question a few days ago so knew what to look for. (For the record I have my P3300 at 260 using the Battery Status Today plugin and it is stable for everything including TomTom. The difference in performance is quite noticable when multitasking.)

thanks for the reply,
what is the normal speed of the orbit/compact III/p3300?
will overclocking my device cause it harm in the long run?

xda_guy said:
thanks for the reply,
what is the normal speed of the orbit/compact III/p3300?
will overclocking my device cause it harm in the long run?
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Hi, not a very long term user, but my O2 Orbit runs fine at 273 with BatteryStatus. 289 seems not to be stable for me.

My P3300 runs max. at 273MHz. 286MHz makes device unstable, when it is full loaded.

xda_guy said:
thanks for the reply,
what is the normal speed of the orbit/compact III/p3300?
will overclocking my device cause it harm in the long run?
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The normal speed is 201, I believe. Overclocking creates more heat, takes more power, but seems to be stable when used in moderation (270ish max).
I had to take it off my phone because even overcloking to 210something caused me to not be able to stream video with WMP over wifi.

xda_guy said:
thanks for the reply,
what is the normal speed of the orbit/compact III/p3300?
will overclocking my device cause it harm in the long run?
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201 is the stock speed.
Overclocking could damage your device, especially if you push the edges of the chip's ability. Further continual over clocking might lessen the lifespan of the device.
That said there seem to be a good number of people overclocking to 250-260 without any obvious adverse effects. It may cause harm but for the most part seems safe as long as done in moderation. No one can say for certain though, it is a calculated risk.

Well BatteryStatus is your big friend here. The beta version (1.04) has an option called cpu scaler. I use it all the time. It works like this: you tell the program what you want to be the lowest cpu speed (for example 100Mhz) and you tell give in what the highest clockrate should be (for example 260Mhz). Depending on the load on you device BatteryStatus scales the clockspeed down or up. So when needed it gives you the extra power, and when not needed it will slow the device down, saving extra power and also saving the life of the processor.
I personally use the speeds mentioned above. But, when the speed is scaled down to 100Mhz the screen starts flickering a bit. If I were you I would not go down the 100Mhz.

Overclocking
I’ve Overclocked my XDA Orbit (O2) using Omapclock + OmapClockPlus successfully running at 264 speed anything above that doesn’t work on my phone, Reporting all programs running fine including Camera.

Dead Artemis...
JanetPanic said:
201 is the stock speed.
Overclocking could damage your device, especially if you push the edges of the chip's ability. Further continual over clocking might lessen the lifespan of the device.
That said there seem to be a good number of people overclocking to 250-260 without any obvious adverse effects. It may cause harm but for the most part seems safe as long as done in moderation. No one can say for certain though, it is a calculated risk.
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Hi folks,
today my artemis is died.....
He only shows the start screen (T-Mobile Logo) and won´t to da any more... useing bootloader mode an flash the rom back to wm5 (WM6 was before) is successful but then is the same, only starting logo and nothing more.... (he fews me this for more than 5 hrs now....)
I used Battery Status with @ 260 MHZ...
Maybe this was the problem...
Regards,
Andy

mine's on constant 260 with xcpuscalar, no side effects, been like that for ages.

HTC overclocking

Regardless of the mythical talk of overclocking your HTC device being a bad thing (if done reasonably) Has no drastic effect on your device! For the past 2 years I have been using a small yet simple app called performance. With the app, you can overclock your device up to 624mhz (for those with lesser performance) or underclock your higher powered device to save battery life!
All you have to do is unzip the file save it the memory card, then copy it to your device root menu (NOT WINDOWS ROOT), run the app, enable the software, and there you go, simple and easy!
I'm not going to take any credit for this app, because it isn't mine! There is no mention of anyone who created this app. But, if you are out there, let me know!
If any one has any other questions, drop me a line!

dude, for what CPU is it made...
Has no drastic effect on your device!
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well, oc should have drastic effect..
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ehhh.. doesn't work on pxa270 cpu. it looks just as uni oc-er, if i remember right.
it is not working at all(cpu clock is NOT changing, as i supposed.
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also, it is hard to imagine 620 mhz omap, lol.

I'm talking in the negative sense! It doesn't hurt the phone! As I mentioned, I have been using it for 2years now and I have not had any issues!
This app is good for ARM and OMAP processors!

nothin said:
dude, for what CPU is it made...
well, oc should have drastic effect..
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ehhh.. doesn't work on pxa270 cpu. it looks just as uni oc-er, if i remember right.
it is not working at all(cpu clock is NOT changing, as i supposed.
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also, it is hard to imagine 620 mhz omap, lol.
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Ok, I apologize, the oc'er is best utilized with HTC devices. I did my further research and found out! Sorry for the misleading info! However, I am pretty sure there are other oc'ers out there that will SAFELY oc your device! As, I mentioned, I have been doing for the 2 years!

For those who are uncertain check out this thread. Yes, I started it, but the feed back speaks for itself!
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=699069#post699069

Im new to the HTC scene, and have recently just purchased a Touch Pro...
Will this over clockin app work with this model HTC?
Cheers

i've used battery status to determinate if there is an effective increase of performance in my polaris ; the clock speed is still 400mhz
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doesn't work with htc cruise. tested with sbp benckmark

I have tested this app, on a Touch Vogue, PPC6700 and a Touch Diamond, and noticed a difference with all three, one more than the other and vise-versa! Its small enough to take no room on your device and its an .exe file, so, nothing is created on your devices root or anywhere else!

does this work for newer devices like dhd?

pashkustva said:
does this work for newer devices like dhd?
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Dude, this thread is almost a year old.
Try:
Oc/uv beater-dhd forums, not supported anymore but still works.
Systune-market
Nofrills-market
Possibly voltage control-market
If you use CM OC ability it's built into settings.
SetCPU-market

bclark said:
Dude, this thread is almost a year old.
Try:
Oc/uv beater-dhd forums, not supported anymore but still works.
Systune-market
Nofrills-market
Possibly voltage control-market
If you use CM OC ability it's built into settings.
SetCPU-market
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+1 on the oc/uv beater. Really nice
Sent from my Mikrunny'd Vivo_w

overclock question

i have s620 with rose 1.6
and i overclocked it..
TCPMP shows 242mhz
should i keep it this way or i should go under 240mhz ?
it works fine and fast as hell...

If it's working fine and not locking-up, leave it as it is.
There is a thread from about a year ago detailing why some phones can be OCed to buggery-and-beyond and some fall at the first fence.
The battery will get a bit warmer and discharge slightly quicker. If you can live with that, run with it.
Try it a bit quicker. I believe some are running at around 280MHz with no issues.
And here is that link - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396780

ratstrangler said:
If it's working fine and not locking-up, leave it as it is.
There is a thread from about a year ago detailing why some phones can be OCed to buggery-and-beyond and some fall at the first fence.
The battery will get a bit warmer and discharge slightly quicker. If you can live with that, run with it.
Try it a bit quicker. I believe some are running at around 280MHz with no issues.
And here is that link - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396780
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thanks..
than ill stay at 240
its faster and the battery is not geting warmer

Yeah the only Excalibur that can do that is the made in taiwan, i've been at 280 since day one i bought this phone off someone who won the phone at a microsoft converence in Jan 09, who else has the taiwan Excalibur S621. ?

HTCP4000PPC said:
Yeah the only Excalibur that can do that is the made in taiwan, i've been at 280 since day one i bought this phone off someone who won the phone at a microsoft converence in Jan 09, who else has the taiwan Excalibur S621. ?
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Actually... I have the Chinese Excalibur and can run at 280mhz without problems. Although it was thought that the Taiwanese made Excaliburs were "better" because of where they were built, there's not much basis for that assertion.

Just stay at 240, no need to go over that.

I passed 240 and device (S621 made in Taiwan) frezed and needed to hard reset, so better stay on a safe line

So, I have the China made version, you think 280 is best I can omap it to?
What is the safe zone?

I leave mine on the stock setting, but as Orb said... 240 is generally accepted as the safe limit.

But it will consume the battery though right? As in faster.
Will the phone overheat, I read it somewhere.

Capitan Totti said:
But it will consume the battery though right? As in faster.
Will the phone overheat, I read it somewhere.
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Yes power consumption = heat "that's general with all electronics"
My advice is the same as orb3000 stick @ 240MHz you get the added boost without straining your device, after all is it worth the risk as longterm use may have adverse effects...

I run mine at 228mhz and it gives me good enough speed and battery life's about 12hrs still on the original battery.

288 MHz is stable on the Canadian Conference give away straight from Microsoft. Newmarket, Ontario made in Taiwan is where mine was won from i can do 288 Without extra heat or battery loss, and been on it for months! now, mint, its a pure rocket is all i can say! bought it from craigslist in late... jan for 135 unopened everything.
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if you see a canadian Taiwan S621 Pro (Upgraded from factory with 6.0, thats what you want, this phone is so fast at 288MHz.00 lol 264 MHz one of My buds has his china S621 Pro. and his phone wont heat up at all an batts good for him.
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Battery life everyone talks about in here, big tip is never charge ur phone via USB, if you do this u will kill your battery.

Mines set at 252, even though it runs pretty stable at 264 for a while before a freeze. But 252 is still WAY better then stock speed xD

My friends China Rogers S621 Pro handles 264MHz without freezen, 252 is Goood tho.. 288 is crazy tho on My taiwan S621 Pro Kavana, any other users with the same phone as me ?

I have a Chinese black Dash, and it seems mine can run at 288 for a while as well. Maybe there WAS a slight upgrade in quality along with a new housing for the Chinese ones.
Inb4 "I ALREADY KNEW THAT NEWFAG!"

I ventured into the 252 on my china dash, no problems.

You need the Toronto microsoft branded Taiwan, do not overclock to 288 on any other S62X, anyone else got the same S621 made in Taiwan. ?
Phone was won at a Markham Ontario microsoft conference, The Windows Logo is above the screen on the right hand corner...