I'm new to this site but have been working with PDAs for years.
Can anyone explain why upgrade ROMS (WM6) are specific to the manufacture of phone.
Waht if you were able to find two phones with identicle processors, would both of them be able to utilize the same upgrade ROM? I'm assuming not, if thats the case, why?
I recently upgraded from a Benq P50 to a Benq P51 and I'm guessing there will NEVER be any WM6 ROMS for this device; considering its rarity. Even though the phone is more than capable of handling the new OS
Cheers,
-Mat
What's inside the roms can typically be made non hardware specific, eg extracting the files etc from the roms and moving to a new device. However, what is manufacturer specific is things like drivers to support your specific processor, hardware interface, radio, screen, touch screen etc. If you can find appropriate versions of these things etc, it may be possible to put together a rom for your device.
But it helps to get these things from beta roms already produced by the company, because making drivers etc yourself is hard work.
V
Sorry for offtopic, but it seems to me there is some japanese wm6 rom for p51
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Has anyone attempted to port the OS onto the XDA yet?
I know this is still very early days - but I was so happy with by Yorch ROM kitchen WM2003 upgrade for my XDA1 - I was wondering whether we are likely to see the second edition upgrade here at some point.
Is anyone looking into the feasability - I know certain IPAQ devices have already been given the upgrade by the OEM and that certain models are not compatable due to ROM size??
Also - is there the possibility that the windows media centre mobile OS may make it onto the XDA?? I only ask because I have read that the 4gb microdrive from the muvo2 works in the backpack CF slot - byebye mini Ipod.
I know there are legal issues involved - but I am more interested in the logistical factors and possibilities at the moment?
Let me know what you think.
Jayman :shock:
i dont think that any of the 2003 versions were portet from another type of pda
they were as far as i know all based on 2003 versions beta and otherwise from tmobile, o2 and siemens
not sure if one could port a rom from like an ipaq
since it may have a different hardware
maybe O2?
I've read several time on the web that O2 will release the WM2003SE upgrade. Seriously. Don't know how reliable this info is though :?
Folks,
Sorry if this is real basic stuff, but hey we all gotta start somewhere!!
Work is buying me a O2 Orbit for some development (actually buying 2) and I have just a handful of questions that I'd really appreciate an answer.
1) Is The Artemis 3300 the same name for the 02 Orbit? I'm 99.9% it is, but some big-headed person I work with is causing all sorts of grief saying the phone must be a genuine Artemis 3300 and the Orbit is a cut down version. True or false?
2) Is the GPS on it Magellan / Garmin compliant?
3) OK, touchy one this, I'm hearing great reports about Crossbow and want to know if 'flashing' the WM5 ROM that comes with the O2 Orbit is legal or not (don't worry, I'm not clean cut, just don't want to cause any problems with the boss!). And likewise, if I mess up the installation, is it easy to revert back to WM5?
In a nutshell, we've a dozon or so bespoke programs for SmartPhones, all developed on a SPV M3000. These SPV's are getting old now, cracked, chipped, damaged and the O2 Orbit looks perfect (especially as we're just doing GPS stuff, hence why I ask if it's Magellan / Garmin compliant).
Whilst WM5 is still widespread, naturally it would be an advantage to use the latest technology and to ensure compatibility (have one Orbit running WM5 and the other running WM6), but obviously need some roll-back if things go wrong.
Would really appreciate some feedback before I make a purchase.
Cheers.
Folks,
Sorry if this is real basic stuff, but hey we all gotta start somewhere!!
Work is buying me a O2 Orbit for some development (actually buying 2) and I have just a handful of questions that I'd really appreciate an answer.
1) Is The Artemis 3300 the same name for the 02 Orbit? I'm 99.9% it is, but some big-headed person I work with is causing all sorts of grief saying the phone must be a genuine Artemis 3300 and the Orbit is a cut down version. True or false?
No, the orbit is not a cut down version
2) Is the GPS on it Magellan / Garmin compliant?
Its a std Pocket PC serial emulated GPS feed. All pocket PC software that works with WM5 would work.
3) OK, touchy one this, I'm hearing great reports about Crossbow and want to know if 'flashing' the WM5 ROM that comes with the O2 Orbit is legal or not (don't worry, I'm not clean cut, just don't want to cause any problems with the boss!). And likewise, if I mess up the installation, is it easy to revert back to WM5?
O2 has not released an updated ROM for the Orbit, let alone an update to WM6 (crossbow). It is very unusual for providers to provide an update to a major version of Windows on a current model, so would assume this won't happen. Flashing an WM device with an unlicensed OS is technicaly not legal. In terms of reverting back, it is easy unless you have screwed the boot rom, in which case you have a new brick
In a nutshell, we've a dozon or so bespoke programs for SmartPhones, all developed on a SPV M3000. These SPV's are getting old now, cracked, chipped, damaged and the O2 Orbit looks perfect (especially as we're just doing GPS stuff, hence why I ask if it's Magellan / Garmin compliant).
There are two types of Pocket PC with phone functionality. Those that use the OMAP chipset, and those that use the Samsung/Intel chipset. The OMAP ones normally have more reliable phone sides (although this is changing with the latest Samsungs and Intels) but far slower for running applications (although, again, this is changing with the latest OMAP chipsets). The Orbit is an OMAP chipset, and although works well as a phone and GPS device, you should check whether any custom software runs at satisfactory speed.
Whilst WM5 is still widespread, naturally it would be an advantage to use the latest technology and to ensure compatibility (have one Orbit running WM5 and the other running WM6), but obviously need some roll-back if things go wrong.
Would really appreciate some feedback before I make a purchase.
Cheers
Hi i'm new to this forum so idon't know ifthis has been posted yet. I have a T-Mobile Pocket PC 2003. I would like to know if there is anyway to update the operating system to a newer one and what is involved with updating the ROM. Thank you for your time.
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Hi i'm new to this forum so idon't know ifthis has been posted yet. I have a T-Mobile Pocket PC 2003. I would like to know if there is anyway to update the operating system to a newer one and what is involved with updating the ROM. Thank you for your time.
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helps to know what make and model of phone you have, look on the main index page for your phone and look there, only certain pones can be upraded and the info you want is there.
T-mobile pocket pc 2003
thats not enough it pretty much the name of every windows mobile phone tmobile ever released and roms are unique for each model
they add naming like
mda or mdaII or mdaIII ....
Pardon my ignorance.
Is there a wm2002 phone? What is HP Jornada, wm2002?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jornada
and yes wallaby orginaly came with pocketpc 2002
about early windows CE phones then this was the first i saw
http://www.planetomni.com/GSM_SEMN_sx45_DTL.shtml
running not pocketpc but pure windows CE 3
I guess it would be the HTC wallaby. It looks exactly like that but it says "T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition" on it.
I can't really find much on it so I wasn't sure which phone it was.
http://www.romkitchen.de/
Ok I was looking over the rom kitchen site at all the informationprovided and reading the manuals and what not and i still don't understand what i'm reading.Well I understand it but i don't want to ruin my phoneso does anyone know of a simple way of explaining what to do with this stuff to us who are just getting started out? Your time and patience are appreciated.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ROMkitchen
or
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Wallaby_HT_FlashSD
interested in learning more as well
Hi all:
Although I am not a developer, I have found this a great resource for info beyond other forums.
Like ziggy88, I went to the ROM KITCHEN and took a look.
I am using a Hitachi G1000 WM 2002 device on Sprint.
This last week I have found an abundance of info on this device and just before was was contemplating upgrading. With the new info I have found, I am going to hold off.
So, it is an Intel PXA255 XScale 400mhz processor.
Is that enough info to get started with getting a link to look into the posibility of upgrading the OS?
Thanks, Jay
roms are uniqe to a device and cant be used on other devices then the model it was made for 2 HTC devices cant even use the same rom if they are not the same model
not sure about your Hitachi but some of the pda's from Hitachi dident even have a flash rom but a hardcoded rom which can never be upgraded
Hi
I am totaly new in this line of hardware, i just received an qtek 2020i to try if i like pda.
but this thing is running on win ce2003
can i upgrade this PDA to wm 5 or wm6, and if it's possible how dies it work?
and what do i need?
Hi,
Congratulations for Qtek 2020i. It is one of the best PDAs available, hardware-wise.
However, I am afraid that there is no upgrade to WM 5 or 6 available...
Some say that there never will be...
Head off for the Alpine forum, for more details.
Regards,
P.
pdc4 said:
Hi,
Head off for the Alpine forum, for more details.
Regards,
P.
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what is the alpine forum?
and why is it so good while it cant be used voor wm5 or 6, it's a rather old PDA I geuss and i have to soft reset quit often.
i read in some forums it should be possible to upgrade using w, 5 from another system like an htc.
and another question what kind of software could be used on it?
cause after every reset i've to insert my appointments again
Here, at xda-developers, we have several generic sub-forums (like Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking, where we are currently posting) and other sub-forums, model specific, where the model is discussed in detail.
Alpine is the internal HTC codename of the Qtek 2020i. And, yes, here we have model specific sub-forums for the Alpine/Qtek 2020i. Here is the link to them: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=249
Qtek 2020i, despite the 2003SE that it was shipped with, has very good hardware details (fast 520Mhz CPU, 128 RAM, Wi-Fi, large screen...) that might make it a good solution for someone who is not dependent on the latest operating systems... Even today, is is still competitive, which is rather interesting.
Also, keep in mind that many great software still run in 2003(SE). For instance, Resco Explorer, Tomtom6, SK tools, most of SPB software... etc.
The Alpine could never be upgraded to WM5 because no WM5 OS drivers for the CPU and other details were ever released or found... There are several threads in the Alpine sub forums about this.
If you have issues with yours, like spontaneous (soft) resets there are several possible causes, like depleted (back-up) battery, conflicting software, etc. Use a good back-up software, like SPB backup, and read a lot in the Alpine forums.
Regards,
P.
Hi,
I was just wondering, there are like 20 Radio ROMs for Diamond. They are not official from HTC, there is no source code and yet, they are different. Where do they come from? Who is writing them?
And is there any readme coming with the ROMs from the ROM authors explaining exactly what is different and fixed?
There is no developer in XDA-dev who writes these radios. They are from HTC, and come mostly from country- and operatorspecific versions. Not all localizations are delivered with the same radiorom. Whenever an operator finds a problem with their network, HTC builds a new release that should fix the problem. Due to this fact, there is no guarantee that a newer release is always better for your specific operator, there might even be adverse effects from an operator-specific fix.
Furthermore, there are lots of devices with similar hardware, and currently the Diamond and the Blackstone (Touch HD) seem to use an identical or nearly identical radio. This makes sense from the manufacturer's point of view, as diversity in the hardware requires separate development, resulting in doubled development cost.
That's why it is of no value to state "Rom xy uses a lot/less energy" or "is unstable/has worse reception" unless the poster states his country and his network operator.
Have fun!