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Amidst all the furore about the availability of 3 similar crossbow roms for the Universal, I have become increasingly amused by the number of comments from various people in the various threads, complaining about certain things not working, which sometimes work for others and then qualifying their complaints by saying that it is critical that the failing apps work on their devices and are desperate for help....
At the end of the day, if any of your apps are that critical then you shouldn't be upgrading - particularly to Crossbow, as it is very much in its infancy at the moment. I have no doubt that within a short while, the various Rom magicians here will have a number of alternatives available that are 'relatively' stable but anyone who depends on the functions of their Uni to the degree where they cannot survive without them should leave well alone....
Just my opinion
I entirely agree.
Guys, the WM6 roms should not be used.
If you happen to use it, backup first, bolt your windows, and suck it up if you loose your device, your data, or your innocence.
You will of course screw your warranty and a puppy will die. C'est la vie.
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captainsensible2002 said:
Amidst all the furore about the availability of 3 similar crossbow roms for the Universal, I have become increasingly amused by the number of comments from various people in the various threads, complaining about certain things not working, which sometimes work for others and then qualifying their complaints by saying that it is critical that the failing apps work on their devices and are desperate for help....
At the end of the day, if any of your apps are that critical then you shouldn't be upgrading - particularly to Crossbow, as it is very much in its infancy at the moment. I have no doubt that within a short while, the various Rom magicians here will have a number of alternatives available that are 'relatively' stable but anyone who depends on the functions of their Uni to the degree where they cannot survive without them should leave well alone....
Just my opinion
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I agree with you, it was the same situation back in the days when WM5 popped out
How true! By upgrading to WM6, you implicitely accept any shortcomings, bugs, missing functionality etc. Period.
(We should stick something along this line in a large fontsize on both the frontpage and the forum frontend. Maybe even in blinking red
Can I downgrade to WinCE 2.11 and get a version of active sync that will work on Windows for Workgroups 3.11 please?
Just want to make sure I am using something well established with all of the fixes, and years of background knowledge available for it
Oh, and I will need a serial to USB adapter so I can sync hehe.
Well, there are a lot of people around who want to upgrade to WM6 despite the fact that they have no idea what they're doing. If the average user sees an upgrade to a "New OS" they're probably more likely to give it a go than they would if it was just an upgrade for a bugfix or a re-arranged contacts database (rightly or wrongly).
The intelligent ones will do a bit of reading before deciding whether to even attempt the upgrade. But there will always be some who get themselves in a mess because they've rushed into it.
Fortunately, everything they need to know to get themselves out of their mess is on this forum somewhere - Unfortunately it seems many can't even be bothered to search - so the same old quetions are bound to be asked a hundred times over the next couple of weeks...Still, we all try to be helpful, don't we? (Even if it does get tedious at times!).
lol, no, it bugs the hell out of me, hence the reason I posted this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290234
I was a n00b once, I don't think I posted any lame questions, maybe some, I can't be bothered to go back and look, but from memory, it was only after I couldn't find it with the search that I asked somewhere.
I don't have anything critical I just have to run. Sure, there's software I have bought, and would be irritated if it didn't work immediately after an upgrade, but I am happy to take the risk, I have a Univeral and a Wizard, so I can always use the other if I have problems on one.
It's like this on anything though, something new comes out, everyone thinks they are an instant expert, messes it all up, and then begs for help because they were too lazy and stupid to read a few pages that would have explained it all to them.
Help, I just flashed my Universal to WM7 (Photon) that I downloaded from your website, and now it does not come past the bootscreen anymore ... I need my machine yesterday because my life depends on it, and I did not make a backup and now Microsoft has caused me to ruin my machine causing me to go out of business and you have to help me since I got the rom update from your website!!
(hehehehehe)
Well if you can get to the boot screen, all is not lost.
Get some superglue, and put a few drops into the USB socket.
Plug it in, and give it at least an hour to dry.
Now carefeully hold your device in one hand, and the cable in the other.
Now pull the cable out as fast as you can.
This shold prevent any further upgrading issues, or problems from ever happening to your device again.
Partially I agree, but i mean normal (lame) user who wants to upgrade only to show his palls couple of different # on boot screen. but i think helmi, ivan, indra or all else would never do good,working rom (like ivans aku 3.2, helmi 3.5), which are stable w/o feedback.
worst is here is helluva lot of people with prob."i tried 2 upgr. 2 wm6 & got COUNTRY ID err)
I love wm6 http email function. And somebody get the wm6 messenging in wm5?any hacks?
My mate sent me this, just some info that most people Know.
Testers of Windows Mobile Codenamed Crossbow (or Windows Mobile 6.0) have leaked at least 2 versions of the pre-release online,
According to our source betacollector the pre-release is incomplete, missing a few functions but working fine.
No Windows start orb here, that seems to be cropping up on everywhere on Microsoft software now, but then again WM6 is not yet final -who knows if that will be included in the final release.
The leaked version specs: WM6PreRelease.rar (54177kb) Build date 1/12/2006 (15341.4.2.0) Rom 2.00.02.pv / External Rom 2.02 PDAVIET
Theres also a second one WM6CB.rar weighing in at 59608kb for the MDA Pro / Universal or qtec 9000 that one is older than the above mentioned leak.
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Well if you can get to the boot screen, all is not lost.
Get some superglue, and put a few drops into the USB socket.
Plug it in, and give it at least an hour to dry.
Now carefeully hold your device in one hand, and the cable in the other.
Now pull the cable out as fast as you can.
This shold prevent any further upgrading issues, or problems from ever happening to your device again.
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Hahahahaha!!
Don't try this at home!!
I did an upgrade to WM6 on a fairly new 9000. Took me almost 6 hours to complete. The damn thing got stuck in the bootloader, lost my RADIo ROM, got it "bricked", managed to un-brick it again, lost my EXT. ROM, but at the end, it worked out and now the "damn thing" works fine on a brand new WM6 ROM. Exept for video calling and a few minor bugs I have no complains.....
Moral of the story. I am a man. Men like to do technical stuff. If you do not know what you are doing, stay off the damn thing. If you like to inflict pain on your self, but know what you are doing, just do.
Fooling around with some new gagets is cool. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't........
In my case, it worked out. Me is happy.........
AlanJC said:
Well if you can get to the boot screen, all is not lost.
Get some superglue, and put a few drops into the USB socket.
Plug it in, and give it at least an hour to dry.
Now carefeully hold your device in one hand, and the cable in the other.
Now pull the cable out as fast as you can.
This shold prevent any further upgrading issues, or problems from ever happening to your device again.
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errrr .... will this speed up my UMTS connection? I tried searching the board on superglue+umts but I can't find anything ;-)
onlineemails said:
I love wm6 http email function. And somebody get the wm6 messenging in wm5?any hacks?
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I thought it was great until I got two eMails in the space of 3 hours that caused it to crash when trying to view them...
Cheers,
Steve.
It got an limit for email for example 10kb and after that it doesnt get the email in full and you can request to get it full,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1104565#post1104565
Alright, I've completly had it with the t-mobile rom on my tytn. Befor this phone I used to have a wizard which I flashed almost the same day that I bought it, but after a while it broke down on me and I didn't get a new one (warenty issues)
Thats the main reason why I havn't flashed my tytn, but the t-mobile software is such a pain in the ass and WM6 is so much better then 5 that I'm just going to do it, screw the warrenty.
The question now is which version of WM6 shouls I flash. Is there a single version that definitivly leaves the rest behind?
Did my Vario2 with Black 2.5 yesterday. TBH, I don't know what the fuss is about. It's not noticably faster, and it was a big pain in the butt reinstalling everything. It also introduced a bunch of new bugs I didn't have before. On the other hand, being able to read HTML email has really changed my life. I'm sure for some people the changes are worthwhile, but for me it was not.
I extracted the TMob UK rom before flashing, so PM me if you need it in future.
I think this is a very important poll at this point.
There're so many WM6's version, and I am still using blackV1.X
Hesitating all days and looking about all the different versions, couldn't make a choice.
Lees said:
Alright, I've completly had it with the t-mobile rom on my tytn. Befor this phone I used to have a wizard which I flashed almost the same day that I bought it, but after a while it broke down on me and I didn't get a new one (warenty issues)
Thats the main reason why I havn't flashed my tytn, but the t-mobile software is such a pain in the ass and WM6 is so much better then 5 that I'm just going to do it, screw the warrenty.
The question now is which version of WM6 shouls I flash. Is there a single version that definitivly leaves the rest behind?
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I agree with you completely here. The standard T-Mobile rom is sh*te to say the least. Many instability probs. The wizard was a much more stable device IMHO.
I flashed Custel WM6 Pro V1.2 a couple of days ago and it has given my phone a new lease of life. Highly recommend it apart from warranty issues. This seems to be the most recent rom revision out of the the cooked rooms available. The support from Custel is excellent and it is still being developed, 1.3 will be out soon.
Hope this helps.
Jeez - Another Poll !!!
There's one 'ere : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303915
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I agree with you completely here. The standard T-Mobile rom is sh*te to say the least. Many instability probs. The wizard was a much more stable device IMHO.
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Can you tell me what your instability probs were? I can't remember when I last had a lock up with mine, but I can't say the same for my new ROM.
LVSW Rom definitively
stable and fast!!
Having had my Diamond for 2 weeks now, its made my life a living hell. Slow, freezes, very fiddly and so many calls go missed because of the g** screen system.
Will there be an upgrade for Orange customers as the htc site doesnt let me do it ?
Im seriously considering giving it back, currently the iphone puts it to shame imo and thats barebones really !
if your are french use DiamondStone 1.1 :
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=169&id=15903
Or Wait some days until I release the DiamondStone v2 (post will be also on HTC Planete)
I had an Orange diamond and I had the exact same problems you describe. Thankfully now they are all history. I flashed a different ROM onto the handset. I would recommend you do the same. BE WARNED THOUGH. This will probably cancel out any warranty on the handset. All problems have now gone and I have the handset the Diamond always promised to be........
Fiaudiobl said:
Having had my Diamond for 2 weeks now, its made my life a living hell. Slow, freezes, very fiddly and so many calls go missed because of the g** screen system.
Will there be an upgrade for Orange customers as the htc site doesnt let me do it ?
Im seriously considering giving it back, currently the iphone puts it to shame imo and thats barebones really !
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See this thread and my reply on Post #16. I did it last night, TouchFlo and browsing is a LOT better.
I and several others have contacted Orange directly. They keep saying that Orange DO NOT supply updates as "they did not write the software". (Orange traditionally have a very bad record of NOT supporting their handsets with newer vendor updates)
Of course, to make matters worse, HTC will not provide an Orange specific ROM either so if you want the enhancements offered, you WILL need to update the ROM yourself. I've not tried the other custom ROMs offered here - I'm sure they offer a lot of other advantages, but I just wanted to get the "Offical ROM" update working
http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419093&page=2
There is a LOT of info on this site but sometimes with all of the other posts, it can be a bit confusing to understand. Basically in order to update I found that:
1) You MUST first update the phone with the right HardSPL (as per all the Guides on here). This WILL invalidate your warranty, unless you are able re-update your phone back to the original SPL (and ROM if you got that far) - should you need to send the thing in for warranty repair...
2) Certain ROM updates, including "Offical HTC" ones require that you use a certain SPL. To update my Orange UK with the HTC Rom, I used HardSPL 1.93.. and I loaded it using the DiamondCustomRUU that comes packaged with HardSPL 1.37 (again this is available by looking at the correct threads here)
3) To even get this HardSPL working it DID hard reset my phone, Internal Storage was left intact but the "on phone" data/applications/contacts etc were completely wiped - so make sure you back up all contacts, and write down settings (again, read the guides on what to backup)
4) Once HardSPL 1.93 was on the phone you can now load the new "Official ROM" (check the SPL version by soft resetting and holding the DOWN VOLUME key until you get the Tri-colour screen showing which version it is - you can then soft reset to get the phone back)
5) IF you update to HardSPL, you do NOT need to CID-Unlock you phone - if you're unsure what this means, again read the guides for more detailed explanations
6) You can use the RUU that comes with the Official HTC Rom package to then update your phone.. again follow ALL instructions from the Guides
7) Do NOT get impatient at any time and uplug cables, close apps etc. you could risk bricking your phone.. just follow instructions
THIS DOES WORK - at least it did for me... my diamond is even faster than ever now
I have the information that since a few days Orange France ships Diamond with 1.93 ROM and 1.00.25.05 Radio.
I'm in touch with someone who have this new ROM and I'm helping him dumping it
I think I might have the dump within a few hours (I'll tell you ) and will test it on my own Orange Diamond
If Orange (France or UK) do release an updated "Offical ROM", then that would be cool.. but Orange UK were certain they WOULD NOT be doing this..
To be honest, the HTC "Official ROM" works just fine and it doesn't come with all the Orange branded rubbish either The only issue is that you must invalidate your warranty to enjoy the benefits..
jms_uk,
i dont get it your on a developers website but you want to keep your phone
on a stock rom.
why.
the cooked roms are so much better and as you say you have allready invalidated your warranty.
I have a once Orange Diamond, now its official HTC 1.93 with unlocked Sim.
I would love to try out a cooked ROM as you suggest, but there are just so many ones on this site its completely confusing, I would like to ask which one is best, but dare not due to either having my post deleted, moved or flamed.
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jms_uk,
i dont get it your on a developers website but you want to keep your phone
on a stock rom.
why.
the cooked roms are so much better and as you say you have allready invalidated your warranty.
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I'll admit that I'm quite happy with the improvements the official updated ROM gives, but as THUDUK has said, I wouldn't know where to start on picking a custom ROM that offers further improvements - so much choice
I've already spent a while trying to seach and get more information on what the various ROMS do, but as a lot of people have said there is no "best" ROM because it depends on what you're looking for..
At the moment I like TF3D as an interface, and the speed of it with the official/stock update is improved.. what other cool things could I benefit from with a custom ROM? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed!
*EDIT*
I stopped being a total n00b and found some proper details on both Dutty's and Panosha's Shine-On... some really nice tweaks in there, I can see why a lot of people prefer these custom ROMs. As I'm new to the whole game, and my phone is already improved with just the new Stock ROM - I'll play it safe for now, but I'm a bit clearer about things! Now if only someone could fix that damned HTC music player
Hey,
First post here but i have been hanging around for some time and been flashing new rom's on my htc touch diamond since the second week of having it. I was kind of lucky getting my diamond from orange (actually through carphone warehouse) but it was completely unbranded short of a small orange logo sticker on the case. I assume this is because it was one of the very first editions, i had the same issues untill i flashed with a cooked rom from these forums and the speed improvments were outstanding in comparison to what i had. I would highly recommend upgrading the rom yourself, as it looks unlikely we'll ever see a decent from rom orange. but make sure you do follow the instructions carefully. on top of that from my understanding (and ill fully admit if i am wrong) but because flashing the rom's are completely software based, if you had to return the phone, then i understand it is possible to remove everything you have done to it and restore it to its original state, i think i have seen the original orange uk rom on the forums somewhere. as i said im sorry if that is incorrect but if u can remove everything then returning the phone wont be an issue. as for what rom? no idea, i have tested all the wwe roms and have found the one i like, dutty's 1.6 lite i think it is.
anyway sorry for the babble, tend to wonder in my head lol. hope its of use.
Fraser
I think Orange UK messed up and a LOT of their Touch Diamonds have very little specific customisation except for the Orange branded back cover and the locked CID.. yet all the packaging and manuals show screenshots with Orange customisations in them
No bad thing if you don't want your phone to have all that bloat...
There are some nice things in the different roms, G-Sensor calibration and all that but for me, even with the newer Stock Official HTC ROM, its certainly better than it was out of the box..
Its a shame Orange don't do something about that, the customer reputation would be vastly improved and the improved performance on the handset with a better ROM might even win a few new customers who have been put off with negative press about the phone's UI performance..
You only have to read an a review in an "ignorant" magazine like T3 (read by a LOT of people unfortunately) to see the misconception... I'm sure the Diamond would've rated better had their staff been given a phone with newer/better ROMs on it
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*EDIT* Now if only someone could fix that damned HTC music player
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Hey too right, the only one single yet hugely annoying problem with my Diamond is the blasted music player skipping, gets better if you turn off your phone, but why should we have to do that
alphazeros rom fixes the media player problem so they say.
standard rom with speed increases.
havn't tried it my self as i use swiftbl's rom but it looks ok.
LoL, I was talking about the cover art main view. Its annoying that it only shows songs from your now playing instead of allowing you to actually select whole albums by cover art from this view
I am new to this on the diamond, so I have a pretty basic question. I have a NAM version diamond. When HTC came out with their new ROM last month or so, I contacted them and they said it was not designed for my phone and to wait and see if one is put out for the NAM version (has US 3g bands and no front cam). Will I run into any problems with installing cooked ROMs, etc that are available. I read the sticky on what to do first, and understand to do all the HardSPL, etc. Not exactly sure about the radio and actual ROMs that I would be able to use. Just want to make sure its compatible so that I have the least chance of bricking my phone. My last time customizing phones was with the razr v3i, and there were certain roms that could/could not be applied to the phone depending on if it the type of v3i. I know that I have the following specs:
ROM: 1.93.422.4 WWE
ROM Date: 08/13/08
Radio: 1.0025.08
Protocol version: 52.33a.25.17H
Wanted to get some input from others with the Diam 110 with US 3G version of the phone as see what they recommend, as well as others who can help out. Also, when I was modding the v3i, there were programs that could back up your current rom so that it was possible to flash it back if any problems occured. Is there anyway to do this with the diamond? If not, where can I find the stock HTC rom for the US 3G Diamond (haven't been able to find it here on xda). Thanks again for helping out a new guy.
any advice?
It's sad, but HTC has been unfair to us. First they remove the front camera from our phone and then they decided to just ignore the US 3G GSM diamond. They haven't even bothered to release even a single update for us. Very unprofessional behavior by HTC. I am seriously considering ASUS for my next phone.
But XDA is our heaven! once you have the hardspl, you are good to go. Use any GSM ROM on this forum and you should be OK. Don't forget to follow all the instructions mentioned in the sticky for flashing ROMS.
I didn't care to backup my original ROM as I had HTC elf before and was well aware of the ROMS available on XDA. However, I do recall getting a ROM installation CD in phone package. Check your package... you might have it too.
But, frankly, once you use custom ROM from here, you will not go back to HTC's ROM.
I'll echo what Ark said here, it sucks that they leave us (all 5 of us ) out in the cold with the unlocked NAM phones, but HardSPL will solve all of your problems.
I followed the instructions on flashing HardSPL and used the latest WWE ROM from HTC and it worked like a champ. It was actually the best thing I ever did with the Diamond, as the 2.03 ROMs are 100x faster and better than the stock ROM. I highly suggest taking the time and steps to flash it.
The only things that were different when I flashed the WWE HTC ROM was that Microsoft Voice Command was replaced by the Cybotron Voice Dialing application. Also, the region is set to the UK, which is easily changed. Also, if you're using AT&T here in the US, you have to install Advanced Config or make a change to the registry to enable HUSPA in Advanced Network.
Hope this helps.
I have HardSPL on my NAM Diamond, and have flashed literally dozens of cooked and stock ROMs with no issues whatsoever. Such a great phone with the cooked ROMs! I'm pretty sure I have seen threads about getting your phone back to its original state if you wish to. I would recommend searching around a bit and you should find some info.
Enjoy your flashing!
and.. what about the radio? is posible to update too? or you recomend to stay in the original radio version that came with the DIAM 110?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Everything works just as it would on the euro units.
I've messed around with different build of official htc roms on my NAM, and i went back to the factory 193 build (same as OP). The newer builds have damn near all of the animation taken out. It fixed some things, and messed up other things. WHY they would add slide to answer is beyond me.
Also, i've tried a million radios. Here in chicago, doesnt matter what radio i use. i get horrible reception with this thing. In my house, every phone i have, gets full 3G reception. With the diamond? it bounces between 2/3/4 bars.
Going somewhere with shakey reception? the Diamond gets even worse.
So, i stuck with the factory radio as well, because it gave the best battery life.
So, for me, flashing was pointless. I left it harspl'd though for when 6.5 comes out though.
Thanks everyone. Glad to see atleast a few others have the US version of the diamond. I guess the only think I have to do now is decide which rom to pick.
@aphexacid: my phone gets great reception so far. I've tried it out in Houston and New York for extended periods of time. Had a few more dropped calls in NYC, but I think that's a network thing more than the phone. Also, is there a way that you backed up your stock rom to flash it back, or is it available somewhere? I know it's not at HTC's website when I looked. Just want to have it in case I decide to go back to basics like you did.
I also have NAM 3G diamond (Rogers branded) w/ front cam
Should I try this rom?
RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_2.03.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.51.25.26_1.0 9.25.23_Ship
Just wanted to thank everyone for chiming in. Changed the rom last night, and thankfully everything went fine. If anyone has one they especially like, I'd like to hear about it. Still searching for the rom that would be ideal.
I've tried many ROMs here but always go back to Shaks.
Best performance and stability out there period.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462455
Yeah I put on Macadam and it's pretty good. I was looking at Shak's as well. Maybe when I get bored i'll switch to see which I like better. It's a pain to get everything setup again so that phone is how you like it, but I guess that's the price for having such customized roms.
I loaded the November 9th, 2009 "23504" ROM from NRGZ28 a few days ago and for the first time I have had no trouble at all that wasn't easily worked around. It looks great, is fast and seems to be completely stable, and actually appears to be easy on the battery as well. I'm going to keep this one for a while.
I have tried pretty much every ROM released by various members of the community here and I like those from NRGZ28 the most. Setup is always easy and I am using ready to use the device in just a few minutes after flashing the ROM and connecting the the Exchange server. However, up until this ROM I experienced so many issues that I have spent hours trying, often unsuccessfully, to fix that I was getting tired of the Touch Pro 2. I am ording the BlackBerry 9700 for my personal line on Monday and I was about to order a second one to replace the Touch Pro 2 (and put it on Craigslist).
After loading this version I can now use the phone and expect it to work. No odd freezing, or having to reset to read email, avoiding scrolling in "titanium, none of that...it just works.
One thing that helps is that I no longer use HTC Sense...I think it is causing more problems than it is worth an it might help people to move on...it really is not even worth the trouble. It is now the first thing I disable. When using Windows Mobile without it, regardless of which ROM I am using, the device has ALWAYS been much more stable without it...and it doesn't even look that good :/
For those of you looking for a better ROM version that appears to work reliably...this may be the one. At least on the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 it is the best I have used.
pinhead said:
One thing that helps is that I no longer use HTC Sense...I think it is causing more problems than it is worth an it might help people to move on...it really is not even worth the trouble. It is now the first thing I disable.
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I disabled Touch Flo on my WM 6.1 Fuze after about 10 minutes. Disabled it on my Tilt 2 w/WM 6.5 after playing with it for about an hour. (Took me a while to get over that weather display -- pretty impressive!) I prefer to run WM plain vanilla. So how does the speed of this ROM compare to the stock 6.5 ROM with Touch-Flo (HTC Sense?) disabled? Is it worth while flashing it, aside from the fun of just tinkering around with the thing?
pinhead said:
I loaded the November 9th, 2009 "23504" ROM from NRGZ28 a few days ago and for the first time I have had no trouble at all that wasn't easily worked around. It looks great, is fast and seems to be completely stable, and actually appears to be easy on the battery as well. I'm going to keep this one for a while.
I have tried pretty much every ROM released by various members of the community here and I like those from NRGZ28 the most. Setup is always easy and I am using ready to use the device in just a few minutes after flashing the ROM and connecting the the Exchange server. However, up until this ROM I experienced so many issues that I have spent hours trying, often unsuccessfully, to fix that I was getting tired of the Touch Pro 2. I am ording the BlackBerry 9700 for my personal line on Monday and I was about to order a second one to replace the Touch Pro 2 (and put it on Craigslist).
After loading this version I can now use the phone and expect it to work. No odd freezing, or having to reset to read email, avoiding scrolling in "titanium, none of that...it just works.
One thing that helps is that I no longer use HTC Sense...I think it is causing more problems than it is worth an it might help people to move on...it really is not even worth the trouble. It is now the first thing I disable. When using Windows Mobile without it, regardless of which ROM I am using, the device has ALWAYS been much more stable without it...and it doesn't even look that good :/
For those of you looking for a better ROM version that appears to work reliably...this may be the one. At least on the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 it is the best I have used.
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+1 Agreed regarding sense messing stuff up. I D/L'd NRG's fairly plain as in lacking manila(photon ROM) and it is very stable so far, no issues. Mobile shell works very well for a ui and is very stable also. I think manila,sense,tf3d all cause various issues. It's nice eyecandy and fun to use until the freezes and other issues just get to be to much. Happy with "photon" minus tf3d.
check my sig for the rom i use. most stable ones i ever used (and i flashed a lot ) ,even with sense ui on,cause i personally love the sense ui. been using these roms for a while now next to nrgz28's roms,wich are brilliant in their own way, but when it comes to stability the rhodium_af roms just simply rule! no bugs,no freezes,it just works. with nrg's roms i usually had to reset my tp2 at least once a day, with the roms i now use its only about once a week
kidlockatong said:
I disabled Touch Flo on my WM 6.1 Fuze after about 10 minutes. Disabled it on my Tilt 2 w/WM 6.5 after playing with it for about an hour. (Took me a while to get over that weather display -- pretty impressive!) I prefer to run WM plain vanilla. So how does the speed of this ROM compare to the stock 6.5 ROM with Touch-Flo (HTC Sense?) disabled? Is it worth while flashing it, aside from the fun of just tinkering around with the thing?
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I use it right now with the Windows Default Today Screen, "Titanium" I think everyone is calling it, and this is quite good for me. When I get a new text it shows in its own section of the today screen. Same for email and it is separated by email account. Phone and Voicemail keep it simple as well though I wish I could add a Tasks section and get rid of Internet Explorer. This is a great today screen layout and a few more themes for it would be even nicer.
I have seen another version of this with all kinds of complicated options called "Titanium Ultimate" and it is a pure mess. It is absolutely a mess. I got rid of the ROM it was on just because of that...it is the reason I went to this NRGZ28 ROM.
htckaiseruser, I also used that ROM and switched...I guess that's why it is nice to have so many people making them. We all have our preferences.
I really do hope no one takes offense to my statements here. Some of us like a little eye candy but want a stable, working, easy to use device with great battery life. HTC Sense just doesn't make sense since it just has too many problems and really just gets in the way. I like Windows Mobile because I like the way the Calendar works...yet they change that. I like the way contacts are displayed, but they change that too. I like my text messages to arrive and for me to be able to reply but HTC prevents that from working. I like to get push email and lock my phone for security, yet if I am using "Sense" and lock the phone, no email comes in at all. They tried to do too much.
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I really do hope no one takes offense to my statements here.
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Thanks, and I hope no one does either.
And, thanks also to all the xda "chefs" and all the other tweakers here who've done so much for me, at least, to make my HTCs more usable and more fun, and to make this such a great place to visit, again and again.
I can't find a better ROM than NRG's. i was using his "EnergyROM_23071_RHODIUM_18.Oct.2009_Standard" since i first got the phone and was completely satisfied with it. battery usage was very light and i was able to charge it throuhg usb while at work (i have a desk job) and there was almost nothing i had to do to make it work on install. just the normal keyboard fix.
WM6.5 21876! WM65 21876! WM65 21876! Seriously, I have went weeks without resetting my phone. I have forgot how nice it is to have a hot GPS lock after a few days of not using it.
Have tested a lot of ROM´s almost every 3rd day reflashing
And find that energy´s photon 6.5.1 is the best for me
In the past I flashed hermes, kaizer etc many times, and found that custom ROMs actually improved performance. When I bought a fuze, as I immediately started flashing ROMs or simply upgraded manila my device became slow and not function as well. So went back to stock, removed all the ATT bloat-ware. When you started hearing about the awsome fuze ROMs from RRE, DA_G, etc which were real WM6.5, and were made for fuze specifically, now I could flash and keep my phone functional, but never as good as stock with WM6.1. Now I have a tilt2 with most ATT junk deleted, I find it to be extremely responsive and works well with manila or without it. For me, flashing a rom may be best utilized as a hobby/fun on these devices until a build is perfected. If you start flashing early you should keep that in mind and expect a lot of issues. Like the poster mentioned the sense UI causing problems, remember these apps were not designed for this phone, guys customize them to fit but it is never a perfect fit, that is why IMHO, you get problems. It seems that stock ROMs are a lot better now. Likely this happened, because phone companies have become aware of the excellent ROM builders on XDA and have gotten their act together, knowing that if they do not produce a quality product, folks here will. This phenomena is a testament to all the ROM builders on this site. Eventually the liklhood is that ROM builders here will build the perfect ROM for Rhodium, which will be better than stock. Till they have one for tilt2, I will only flash my fuze in order to keep Tilt2 functioning well for work.
hmm,..im gonna have to try it out,..The currently use has been great for the past couple days. I didnt notice problems til today in texting. When having "textversations", the phone keeps freezing. Its pretty frustrating.
i have been using Josh's perfect black and it hasn't freezed up yet and the battery life is great.
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In the past I flashed hermes, kaizer etc many times, and found that custom ROMs actually improved performance. When I bought a fuze, as I immediately started flashing ROMs or simply upgraded manila my device became slow and not function as well. So went back to stock, removed all the ATT bloat-ware. When you started hearing about the awsome fuze ROMs from RRE, DA_G, etc which were real WM6.5, and were made for fuze specifically, now I could flash and keep my phone functional, but never as good as stock with WM6.1. Now I have a tilt2 with most ATT junk deleted, I find it to be extremely responsive and works well with manila or without it. For me, flashing a rom may be best utilized as a hobby/fun on these devices until a build is perfected. If you start flashing early you should keep that in mind and expect a lot of issues. Like the poster mentioned the sense UI causing problems, remember these apps were not designed for this phone, guys customize them to fit but it is never a perfect fit, that is why IMHO, you get problems. It seems that stock ROMs are a lot better now. Likely this happened, because phone companies have become aware of the excellent ROM builders on XDA and have gotten their act together, knowing that if they do not produce a quality product, folks here will. This phenomena is a testament to all the ROM builders on this site. Eventually the liklhood is that ROM builders here will build the perfect ROM for Rhodium, which will be better than stock. Till they have one for tilt2, I will only flash my fuze in order to keep Tilt2 functioning well for work.
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I tried the nrg rom and it was GREAT on the tilt2 UNTIL i realize i could not get the hardware keyboard working even close to what its supposed to be. THEN my onscreen keyboard decided to stick on the phone pad so i coulnt type much of anything anymore without issues! Save yourself now, if you were even thinking about it.
BTW, i am back on the stock rom and staying away from mobile shell and giving minila its fair share for the first time. Im looking for easy things to make it better. If you have any tips, please PM me with them, thanks
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check my sig for the rom i use. most stable ones i ever used (and i flashed a lot ) ,even with sense ui on,cause i personally love the sense ui. been using these roms for a while now next to nrgz28's roms,wich are brilliant in their own way, but when it comes to stability the rhodium_af roms just simply rule! no bugs,no freezes,it just works. with nrg's roms i usually had to reset my tp2 at least once a day, with the roms i now use its only about once a week
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[ROM][WWE]|15-11-09|Rhodium_AF|HTC Sense 2.5|LEO 1.43|WM65 21876|VX|
I concur!!! I have always been using NRG's energy ROMs, back during my Fuze days. But ever since I switched to Ark's AF ROM, I have not looked back since. I have flashed Fusion ROM, Miri V7, ROMeOS ROM, etc but I always went back to energy. But Ark's AF ROM totally blew me away in its stability and simplicity. It does not have a lot of frills or eye-candy, but it is very stable, very usable. You guys should try it. I am flashing VX1 as I type this. Hahaha