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Crossbow. When you get a good one hold on to it

Hi guys,
I have made several tests and the results are quite surprising.
When I bought my O2 XDA Exec, I tried several ROMs and finally I stick to the O2 image who seems to be the more stable one. Then I tried PDA Viet Crossbow Roms where I was incredibly surprised by the speed and the new Crossbow features.
I hold on to this ROM for sometimes but there was some issues, not major one but enough annoying to make me want to try the Helmi ROM. I don't know why I got a lot of crashes and big stability issue. Then I tried the new PDAViet (2.00.06 if I remember well) which was also a nightmare of issues. At the end, I give another try to the Helmi since so many people were saying good feedback about it with also an upgrade of the radio to v1.13 and now it's working like a charm.
That's why I think it is difficult to say at the first that a ROM is better than another one. It seems to be a matter to get the upgrade right (like for cooking when you have the right measure and balance). Now the Helmi ROM is working perfectly which is really strange regarding the difference with my first experience since it is the same image (It's not a matter of applications I installed since I installed really few apps and the problem I got on the first run was without any extra apps). Even my problem I had with the PDAViet Roms are gone.
I am not planning to upgrade to a new ROM anytime soon unless there is big changes which worse it.
I was just writing to say that when you get a ROM working, no matter what rom it is, just keep it. It might be that you have the right balance and it's pricey to loose it.
Julien

You're right to a greater degree, however it depends on how each individual uses their device. Some may use the pda functions, some predominantly as a phone whilst others a combination of both. In all cases as long as what we intend to use works well enough then yes theres no real point in upgrading just as the saying goes "if its not broke then dont fix it". However, this is the first real build of Crossbow for this device and as is expected the bugs to go with it. Now we wait on a newer build that will hopefully be more efficient, faster, smoother. And remember getting your device to work smoother is exactly what the fun is all about!

Fully agree with both the posts above. The basic PDA and communication functionality is all that is required and is available in the Universal in its most basic form. However, being in this forum it is our second nature to keep upgrading and expecting each upgrade to be better than the earlier one. I personally feel that once you are satisfied with the stability and performance do not jump to the next upgrade unless the reasons are compelling.

Yeah, if it works, dont mess it up!
It seems that what works for one may not work for others!
The same goes for Radio Roms. It seems the only way to find a good radio rom is to try each one in turn untill you find one that works for you.
Maybe it depends on country and carrier?
A lot of people said 1.09 works, but i had it and it didnt.
Others said 1.13 didnt work, im using it and its great.
Tmobile-UK for me, using 1.13 and its all stable (for now, touch wood, cross fingers).
Definately DO NOT upgrade your radio rom if its working.

Totally up with you all. I've tried 4 different WM6 ROMs Jcwright's has proved perfect FOR MY NEEDS. But then, I don't really need video calling, push mail etc.
I've noticed on a lot of the threads that people are just downloading and flashing without doing too much research into the problems posed... from my experience, the only way I got this ROM as stable as it is was by thoroughly reading all WM6 threads and combining fixes from each.
A little research will go a long way.
I think all the developers have done a stand up job!
And on the Radio front, it does appear that there may be some regional discrepancies. Like Pyrofer says, I tried 4 different that others seemed to find agreeable but had problems. Like him, I've ended up on 1.13 supplied with Jcwright's ROM and couldn't be happier, but in the process of testing the others I did have to claim on my insurance for one handset (could have been a hardware issue though).
WM6 rocks! There's no doubt, but read up on whether the ROM your looking at supports your needs before you flash needlessly and start spamming the site with needless reiterations.
Just my opinion.

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And on the Radio front, it does appear that there may be some regional discrepancies. Like Pyrofer says, I tried 4 different that others seemed to find agreeable but had problems. Like him, I've ended up on 1.13 supplied with Jcwright's ROM and couldn't be happier...
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I agree, 1.13 seems to be the best radio version for use in the UK, whereas in Hong Kong the 1.14 works better but hopeless in the UK.

I just upgraded to the 8525 what should I do first?

I upgraded from 8125 to the 8525 and would like to upgrade the rom to wm6. I would like extra memory. I'm staying with cingular/ATT and plan on just swapping my sim card. Do I have to unlock my phone? What do I need to do and which rom is the latest/best w/most free memory and still ATT friendly. Thanks. I've read through the post, but I'm a little overwhelmed.
Chris

You want a good rom that is AT&T friendly, I would say vp3gs rom hands down.

welcome to the 8525. start here...lot's of good info and reading. then let us know if U still have specific questions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325748

You knw ive seen alot of first post were people dont knw what they want they state basic things like whats the best rom, how do I upgrade, ect. I was really suprised to find that you knew what you wanted and look you got some good advice, Im glad to know that even though this community tends to flame noobs that if you ask your question correctly that you will get the information you request. Way to go.

noellenchris said:
I upgraded from 8125 to the 8525 and would like to upgrade the rom to wm6. I would like extra memory. I'm staying with cingular/ATT and plan on just swapping my sim card. Do I have to unlock my phone? What do I need to do and which rom is the latest/best w/most free memory and still ATT friendly. Thanks. I've read through the post, but I'm a little overwhelmed.
Chris
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Having been in your exact place just a few short weeks ago, i'll tell you my experience. The very first thing I did was upgrade to Hard SPL v7. From my reading, this is essential to keep from bricking your phone. Although it's not fool proof, but it makes it much harder to mess everything up. I looked around and read all the different threads on all the ROMs. From looking at the pictures and reading the info on each one, I decided on VP3G 3.60 as it's an official ATT rom with some extras. I also switched radios a couple of times to find the one that gave me the best reception for my area, which ended up being 1.50. I didn't unlock my phone unless updating to any of the above did that. There is a site that goes through each install window and tells you what to choose, but I can't seem to find it right now. I don't full understand all of this stuff but i'm slowly learning it. Good luck on your updates and hope it goes as smoothly as mine has.
Axis

Right now I'm running dutty's ultralite http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329642 I started with Black, then went to some others and like VPG quite a bit, then tried TNT, then Cyphol's Gold, and finally I'm at the ultralite stage as I found that a lot of them just had stuff I didn't want/need and I preferred to take care of all of that myself (you'll determine that on your own though).
Definitely get HardSPL, and just play around with some of the main ROMs, the ultralites will have more memory by definition, but you may find that some are just too bare bones.
With regards to walkthrough's look at mrvanx's site, http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/ he has a ton of great walkthroughs that are ROM specific. Should get you started quite nicely.

Install HardSPL
Install vp3G's WM6 AT&T Rom

If you picked up retail less then 30 days ago, take it back and pick up a 8925/Tilt.
-pd

Thanks so much for the quick replies. My phone will be here on Tuesday, I ordered a refurbished. I will post an update w/shipped rom when it get's here. I waited for the Tilt to come out so they would clearance the 8525. I got my 8125 for $79 and now the 8525 for $99. Not bad I guess. Well I think I will try vp3gs first. I think if I try the Ultralight's, I have to unlock the memory area or something correct me if I'm wrong. W/Vp3gs rom, it should be like flashing a new rom from AT&T. But I will follow the directions to Hard-SPL first then to VP3Gs. Thanks again. Will post more on Wednesday.
Chris

Ok, followed all the directions in the forums. Everything went perfect. Very easy. I now have VP3Gs latest and upgraded the radio to 1.54.07. Everything works. I've added my old software. Found out that SPB Pocket Plus 4.0 brings the Hermes to a halt so I installed 3.2. I like the tabs on my today screen and the task switcher better than the HTC. Battery life seems a little less than the 8125. I think it's a little less than with 1.43 radio. I'm in central NJ and I didn't seem to notice a different between the two radios. My phone came with an old version of everything. I think the radio was 1.16 or something. Anyhow I will post more later. Thanks again everyone for the advice. Still shocked at how easy it was.
Chris

Before doing anything to your 8525; Research Research RESEARCH!
The last thing you want to do is put anything on your new phone right away. I know you want WM6 and probably can't wait to get it on your phone. First you need to research as much as possible until you feel comfortable, really comfortable with what you are planning to do.
I have vp3G's WM6 on my 8525. I waited and researched threads for over 2 weeks before commiting to it. So far so good I have to say. Read this guide first, it'll give you a good idea of what you will be doing. I'm not trying to tell you whats best here, I'm new to this too and just want to give you a heads up. Beware of people who tell you what they think is best for your phone, especially when they don't bother to tell you why.
Good luck, you're going to like your new 8525, although after sending back my original phone for a keyboard issue I went through 2 remanufactured 8525's before AT&T finally shipped me a brand new one. The screens on the reman'd ones kept locking up .
Dr. Jay

The effects of using different roms and radios?

Hopefully this doesn't come off as to dumb but i had a few questions i was hoping someone would know.
I searched quite a while and didn't come up with anything relevant.
Im wondering what effects using a different rom(or radio if im saying it wrong) has on the quality of signals, call clarity and overall performance.
For example, say i had the stock WM6 rom from tmobile on my dash, would the signal and quality be better since it's released specially for tmobiles network?
Ive noticed that using the tmobile rom, my signal wasn't that great, the HTC WWE one was ok, but still dropped calls, rogers was probably the best ive used so far, it terms of call quality and signal strength. Currently im using the brightpoint rom, and i get alot of dropped calls in places i should, and previously had full edge.
Now im probably thinking of something different but would using a different rom really have that much effect on the signal? i dont know exactly who brightpoint is, but say like with the rogers rom, is the fact that its Canadian have any effect on the quality?
Hopefully that makes any sense, it made more sense in my head but alas im a bit on the dumb end of things.
Also i never looked in to it, but it is possible to just change...radios... i think it would be.. and leave the 6.1 OS?
Oh im using rickys 17th by the way.

I'm not certain because I have not tried it yet but after spelunking the forums I believe the radio ROM update is separate from the OS ROM update.

I have tried the Kavana and Kavana/Ricky rom aside from the regular tmo wm6 and have not noticed any irregularities in signal strenght.

thats what i figured, im guessing its just tmobile has horrible signal where i live.

Well the new version (23) seems to be giving me a better signal at my work. I now have 3 bars instead of just 1 or 2. You can download it below and try it to see that it works.

Supposedly, the 6.1 roms don't have radios flashed with them.
Unless I am wrong, whatever radio you are using before, is the same after.

Yea, I Havent Noticed A Difference, I Was Runnin Wm 5 And Now I Have Ricky's 23rd, If Anything Its Better... But Iono. I Shall Have To See... I Think Its The Same As Before Tho

So is a radio included with Rickys latest rom (v23)? Or do u need to install one after installation

as far as i know the 6.1 roms use what ever radio is previously installed on your system. I believe mine is the 03.07.90 brightpoint rom

People on Orange - ROM upgrade ?

Having had my Diamond for 2 weeks now, its made my life a living hell. Slow, freezes, very fiddly and so many calls go missed because of the g** screen system.
Will there be an upgrade for Orange customers as the htc site doesnt let me do it ?
Im seriously considering giving it back, currently the iphone puts it to shame imo and thats barebones really !

if your are french use DiamondStone 1.1 :
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=169&id=15903
Or Wait some days until I release the DiamondStone v2 (post will be also on HTC Planete)

I had an Orange diamond and I had the exact same problems you describe. Thankfully now they are all history. I flashed a different ROM onto the handset. I would recommend you do the same. BE WARNED THOUGH. This will probably cancel out any warranty on the handset. All problems have now gone and I have the handset the Diamond always promised to be........

Fiaudiobl said:
Having had my Diamond for 2 weeks now, its made my life a living hell. Slow, freezes, very fiddly and so many calls go missed because of the g** screen system.
Will there be an upgrade for Orange customers as the htc site doesnt let me do it ?
Im seriously considering giving it back, currently the iphone puts it to shame imo and thats barebones really !
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See this thread and my reply on Post #16. I did it last night, TouchFlo and browsing is a LOT better.
I and several others have contacted Orange directly. They keep saying that Orange DO NOT supply updates as "they did not write the software". (Orange traditionally have a very bad record of NOT supporting their handsets with newer vendor updates)
Of course, to make matters worse, HTC will not provide an Orange specific ROM either so if you want the enhancements offered, you WILL need to update the ROM yourself. I've not tried the other custom ROMs offered here - I'm sure they offer a lot of other advantages, but I just wanted to get the "Offical ROM" update working
http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419093&page=2
There is a LOT of info on this site but sometimes with all of the other posts, it can be a bit confusing to understand. Basically in order to update I found that:
1) You MUST first update the phone with the right HardSPL (as per all the Guides on here). This WILL invalidate your warranty, unless you are able re-update your phone back to the original SPL (and ROM if you got that far) - should you need to send the thing in for warranty repair...
2) Certain ROM updates, including "Offical HTC" ones require that you use a certain SPL. To update my Orange UK with the HTC Rom, I used HardSPL 1.93.. and I loaded it using the DiamondCustomRUU that comes packaged with HardSPL 1.37 (again this is available by looking at the correct threads here)
3) To even get this HardSPL working it DID hard reset my phone, Internal Storage was left intact but the "on phone" data/applications/contacts etc were completely wiped - so make sure you back up all contacts, and write down settings (again, read the guides on what to backup)
4) Once HardSPL 1.93 was on the phone you can now load the new "Official ROM" (check the SPL version by soft resetting and holding the DOWN VOLUME key until you get the Tri-colour screen showing which version it is - you can then soft reset to get the phone back)
5) IF you update to HardSPL, you do NOT need to CID-Unlock you phone - if you're unsure what this means, again read the guides for more detailed explanations
6) You can use the RUU that comes with the Official HTC Rom package to then update your phone.. again follow ALL instructions from the Guides
7) Do NOT get impatient at any time and uplug cables, close apps etc. you could risk bricking your phone.. just follow instructions
THIS DOES WORK - at least it did for me... my diamond is even faster than ever now

I have the information that since a few days Orange France ships Diamond with 1.93 ROM and 1.00.25.05 Radio.
I'm in touch with someone who have this new ROM and I'm helping him dumping it
I think I might have the dump within a few hours (I'll tell you ) and will test it on my own Orange Diamond

If Orange (France or UK) do release an updated "Offical ROM", then that would be cool.. but Orange UK were certain they WOULD NOT be doing this..
To be honest, the HTC "Official ROM" works just fine and it doesn't come with all the Orange branded rubbish either The only issue is that you must invalidate your warranty to enjoy the benefits..

jms_uk,
i dont get it your on a developers website but you want to keep your phone
on a stock rom.
why.
the cooked roms are so much better and as you say you have allready invalidated your warranty.

I have a once Orange Diamond, now its official HTC 1.93 with unlocked Sim.
I would love to try out a cooked ROM as you suggest, but there are just so many ones on this site its completely confusing, I would like to ask which one is best, but dare not due to either having my post deleted, moved or flamed.

964rs777 said:
jms_uk,
i dont get it your on a developers website but you want to keep your phone
on a stock rom.
why.
the cooked roms are so much better and as you say you have allready invalidated your warranty.
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I'll admit that I'm quite happy with the improvements the official updated ROM gives, but as THUDUK has said, I wouldn't know where to start on picking a custom ROM that offers further improvements - so much choice
I've already spent a while trying to seach and get more information on what the various ROMS do, but as a lot of people have said there is no "best" ROM because it depends on what you're looking for..
At the moment I like TF3D as an interface, and the speed of it with the official/stock update is improved.. what other cool things could I benefit from with a custom ROM? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed!
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I stopped being a total n00b and found some proper details on both Dutty's and Panosha's Shine-On... some really nice tweaks in there, I can see why a lot of people prefer these custom ROMs. As I'm new to the whole game, and my phone is already improved with just the new Stock ROM - I'll play it safe for now, but I'm a bit clearer about things! Now if only someone could fix that damned HTC music player

Hey,
First post here but i have been hanging around for some time and been flashing new rom's on my htc touch diamond since the second week of having it. I was kind of lucky getting my diamond from orange (actually through carphone warehouse) but it was completely unbranded short of a small orange logo sticker on the case. I assume this is because it was one of the very first editions, i had the same issues untill i flashed with a cooked rom from these forums and the speed improvments were outstanding in comparison to what i had. I would highly recommend upgrading the rom yourself, as it looks unlikely we'll ever see a decent from rom orange. but make sure you do follow the instructions carefully. on top of that from my understanding (and ill fully admit if i am wrong) but because flashing the rom's are completely software based, if you had to return the phone, then i understand it is possible to remove everything you have done to it and restore it to its original state, i think i have seen the original orange uk rom on the forums somewhere. as i said im sorry if that is incorrect but if u can remove everything then returning the phone wont be an issue. as for what rom? no idea, i have tested all the wwe roms and have found the one i like, dutty's 1.6 lite i think it is.
anyway sorry for the babble, tend to wonder in my head lol. hope its of use.
Fraser

I think Orange UK messed up and a LOT of their Touch Diamonds have very little specific customisation except for the Orange branded back cover and the locked CID.. yet all the packaging and manuals show screenshots with Orange customisations in them
No bad thing if you don't want your phone to have all that bloat...
There are some nice things in the different roms, G-Sensor calibration and all that but for me, even with the newer Stock Official HTC ROM, its certainly better than it was out of the box..
Its a shame Orange don't do something about that, the customer reputation would be vastly improved and the improved performance on the handset with a better ROM might even win a few new customers who have been put off with negative press about the phone's UI performance..
You only have to read an a review in an "ignorant" magazine like T3 (read by a LOT of people unfortunately) to see the misconception... I'm sure the Diamond would've rated better had their staff been given a phone with newer/better ROMs on it

jms_uk said:
*EDIT* Now if only someone could fix that damned HTC music player
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Hey too right, the only one single yet hugely annoying problem with my Diamond is the blasted music player skipping, gets better if you turn off your phone, but why should we have to do that

alphazeros rom fixes the media player problem so they say.
standard rom with speed increases.
havn't tried it my self as i use swiftbl's rom but it looks ok.

LoL, I was talking about the cover art main view. Its annoying that it only shows songs from your now playing instead of allowing you to actually select whole albums by cover art from this view

Noobs,and Everyone Alike(Update Your Radio)

I know a lot of you out there are obviously updating to newer, cooked ROMs. This by far is the best bet when spending the kind of money we are on these phones. You get much more out of your new phone than it is capable of doing from the factory or retail store.
I want to instill in everyone's mind how truly important it is to check out the new radios available for the phone. It takes literally 5 minutes or less start to finish to flash a new radio. You won't lose your newly flashed ROM or any settings that I have found. So, please take notice to my advice. Below is the link for all the newly updated radios for our device. Check out a few of them and make some calls, use your gps. I believe you will be much happier with a new radio, because frankly the stock radios are garbage.
My call signal strength is maxed out in my home whereas it only had 2-3 bars before. My gps doesn't lag behind me anymore, and My Location works perfectly since flashing a new radio. So, try one out. It definitely can't hurt. Below is the link to the thread with all of the newer radios. ENJOY!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939

i never knew what the radios purpose was, i had a hunch i was something like what you described here but now that im sure id like to say thank you and ill definitely be changing my radio

outerdepth said:
I know a lot of you out there are obviously updating to newer, cooked ROMs. This by far is the best bet when spending the kind of money we are on these phones. You get much more out of your new phone than it is capable of doing from the factory or retail store.
I want to instill in everyone's mind how truly important it is to check out the new radios available for the phone. It takes literally 5 minutes or less start to finish to flash a new radio. You won't lose your newly flashed ROM or any settings that I have found. So, please take notice to my advice. Below is the link for all the newly updated radios for our device. Check out a few of them and make some calls, use your gps. I believe you will be much happier with a new radio, because frankly the stock radios are garbage.
My call signal strength is maxed out in my home whereas it only had 2-3 bars before. My gps doesn't lag behind me anymore, and My Location works perfectly since flashing a new radio. So, try one out. It definitely can't hurt. Below is the link to the thread with all of the newer radios. ENJOY!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939
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You're TMO-US, right? Which radio did you use?

sixsevenco said:
You're TMO-US, right? Which radio did you use?
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He mentioned in another thread that the radio he flashed to is the one ending in .57, and that's the one I'd suggest you start with. I happen to have it already because it's the one that comes with the stock T-mo 6.5 ROM...but if you've running any ROM's with a different radio, you'll want to give this one a shot. A few other T-mo users have reported good results with the .77 radio, but I'd still start with the .57 if you haven't already.

thanks outerdepth...
I have always figured I should update my radio, but never bothered/got around to it. Your post re-motivated me, so I updated from .25 to .77 and...
100% improvement!!
My gps accuracy used to be off by about a city block, which I attributed to the fact that 'oh well its a cel phone, what can I expect', now is accurate within a meter or two.
My data speeds are much improved, and I dunno if its my imagination or not, but calls even seem clearer and have a better sound quality to them.
Dont know about battery drain yet, but its not really important to me cause I'm a truck driver, so I can leave my phone plugged in most of the time in the truck
Thanks!!

So this might be a dumb question but are these radio updates official? They overwrite ROM so I'm kinda always wary to ever try this. I have the official HTC ROM from their website and I assume you can flash it back but I'm not sure.

The ROM will stay, all your contacts/text/etc will stay, and you SHOULD NOT have to worry about losing anything. You can use a program like SPB Back Up or Sprite back up if you are worried though.

Which radio to use on TP2 on Sprint?

Does my location and company plays any part on this issue of the radios?
I have a 6.5 AT&T Rom in Puerto Rico

kbradio said:
Which radio to use on TP2 on Sprint?
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You want to head over here
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=90342
I switched to VZW 1.88 and it is about the same as the PCS 2.32 in my area but I put a bunch of radios on my SD card in case I travel and have no bars so I can use this method to flash on the go.

EdAmsterdam said:
Does my location and company plays any part on this issue of the radios?
I have a 6.5 AT&T Rom in Puerto Rico
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The thread about TP2 Radios tells you how to choose the ones that will work for you, just look for the ones that say AT&T and start there.

Furious911 said:
So this might be a dumb question but are these radio updates official? They overwrite ROM so I'm kinda always wary to ever try this. I have the official HTC ROM from their website and I assume you can flash it back but I'm not sure.
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The radio-roms are "official". However, in order to flash one you have to first do the HardSPL, which isn't official....and may not be completely reversible, depending on what carrier-branded (if any) phone you have.
The only reason this SPL issue may matter is if you have to return for warranty return. If they swap the phone for you in a store then surely nobody in a store will know the difference...but if you have to send it to HTC then non-stock tampering may be evident.
That being said, it hasn't stopped me from taking full benefit of what this site has to offer and make full use of what is possible with my TP2.

Good advice for everyone.
Some of the newer cooked roms require a particular radio...or at least will work best with a particular radio. Before flashing any new rom, read to see if the chef suggests a certain one.

Tanks sirphunkee

Does my phone have to be unlocked to install a new radio as is the case with installing a new ROM?

gotvet said:
Does my phone have to be unlocked to install a new radio as is the case with installing a new ROM?
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No, the security lock only prevents you from switching carriers. Shouldn't affect the radio.
And in any case the phone doesn't have to be unlocked to install a custom ROM, it has to have a different hard SPL.