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O2 xdaIII v. T-Mob MDAIII

Hi all
I've been using a pda for the past four years, currently use HP IPAQ 5550 with bluetooth and wifi etc. Separately I've got a Orange 3G phone. I am tempted to go for the Blue Angel with the keyboard, sold in the UK on O2 and T-Mobile, so that I've got a connected device, without having to apir the phone with the pda.
I understand the devices are the same, so is O2 any better than T-Mobile in terms of mobile data, gprs, etc? Or in terms of support? Restrictionjs re internet, off- walled garden browsing? Or in terms of upgrading to WM2005? I know that T-Mobile will eventually offer affordable data bunddles under the web'n'walk concept (in september), which may attract me to TMob.
Also, does any of the network prevent you from downloading additional softwares, such as avantgo, pocket informant, etc? I read that the sim lock -on orange pda devices?- prevented downloads of softwares by so-called non-approved third parties.
Is there anything I should know before choosing one or the other networks?
Thanks for your help.

there isnt much difference within the different providers of a blue angel. they are the same apart from there networks minor tweeks, software etc. the o2 rom is****, i not sure about the orange or t-mobile one tho....

Go with whoever is cheapest
Just buy whoever is cheapest overall for you. Coverage across the UK is roughly the same (ie whoever you get it will work everywhere *but* your house ) and the phones are the same too. T-Mobile doesn't install a lot of crap, but I highly recommend upgrading the ROM anyway (although it takes a while to get your head around it, if you're as retarded as me). If it goes to hell you can put the old ROM back again.
I *have* read bad things about O2 on these boards; I got hit with the noise problem (have a search for it), but after my 7 days courier return (still in my 28 days store return). I phoned them up, told them what was wrong and that the nearest T-Mobile store was 50 miles away, and they dispatched a courier anyway. O2 told the guy who had the same problem as me that he dropped it and charged him 150+ quid to get it fixed. That's a load of rubbish, and I bet they know it too.
All mobile phone operators are greedy, but only some of them are charlatans as well.
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like). Last I saw, O2 and Orange wanted 250 per handset.
Personally, I prefer Orange because at least you can talk to a real human being easily. T-Mobile make it difficult, but I'd rather save £170
HTH
Chris

Going to get the O2 XDA 2i tomorrow morning at O2 shop....hopefully can get it at £60 with £35 12 months contract. The cheapest I saw on internet is £69.90 with £35 12 months contract.
Will anyone of you feeling regret after you bought the XDA 2i?

The XDA IIi appears to be a better specced machine all round; with less chance of a keyboard to get loose...
If I'd known of that deal (I bought my phone online, but the O2 store didn't work and the other dealers like Carphone Warehouse didn't stock it), I would have gone with that
Chris

Thanks
Lewisham and Joey
Thanks a lot.
Is there an application lock on any of these devices? I guess all of them are sim-locked anyway...
Cheers

The SIM lock can be removed with an application on these forums, so that also answers no to app lock
Chris

Re: Go with whoever is cheapest
Lewisham said:
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like). Last I saw, O2 and Orange wanted 250 per handset.
HTH
Chris
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Hi, been lurking for some time now and about to buy one of these units.... quick question though - how long did you have to wait before you where allowed to drop your contract down ?
Cheers
T

Ok...so which one again ?
So let's say...an enterprising individual happened to acquire both an
Orange SPV M2000
AND AN
O2 XDA IIs
both in identical condition ( New ), which one would you recommend this individual keep, and which one should he sell. An inquiring individual would like to know.
Marcelo

It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris

Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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Lewisham - did you see my question above.... I'm wondering if know of a get out clause that dont - ie take a 18mth high contract and your allowed to move down 6mths later ...
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Terran

No, you can't do that. Your contract is fixed length. All you can change is the price plan you pay.
At least, I don't think you can. I might well ask them tomorrow.
Chris

Posing the question differently....
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".

Posing the question differently....
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".

OK cheers.... I thought that was the case, just wondered cos of what you posted before....
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like).
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Terran

ccsnet said:
OK cheers.... I thought that was the case, just wondered cos of what you posted before....
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like).
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Yeah, you can drop to say a 15 quid a month price plan, but AFAIK, the length cannot be changed, because of the way they calculate the subsidy of the phone. But I will try tomorrow.
I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".
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Well they are the same phone aren't they? It's like saying I have a Sony Ericsson P900 from Orange, and a Sony Ericsson P900 from O2. Which do I keep? The one you haven't beat up the most? The one that looks prettiest after they put the operator badge on it?
You tell me
Chris

Lewisham said:
Well they are the same phone aren't they? It's like saying I have a Sony Ericsson P900 from Orange, and a Sony Ericsson P900 from O2. Which do I keep? The one you haven't beat up the most? The one that looks prettiest after they put the operator badge on it?
You tell me
Chris
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Not really, but I hear what you're saying. I wasn't thinking of "stylistics". Apparently their construction isn't all the same, the quality control in building them apparently hasn't been the same, and the software packages built-in, certainly aren't the same. I was talking about all those in the process of deciding. Not just because one is black and other is bronze-ish silver.

The build construction is the same; the hardware is identical, all that changes is the software preloaded.
But I would highly recommend installing 1.40, so the software is going to become whatever ROM you put on it, so it really does end up coming down to the hardware, and all that changes is the aesthetics.
Keep them both, and run them for a little bit. See if either develops the whistling screen.
Chris

Hi All, New member and new to PDA's....
I have just order my T-Mobile MDA III on an 18mth contract with 100 txt for £33/mth - 1/2 price line rental for 6mths?? They said that if I do not change tariff or upgrade, the 1/2 price line would be for life! after 18mths is complete.
They are out of stock at the minute, so will be waiting with bated breath!

WAP Browser?

Hey so I'm with Rogers wireless here in Canada. Apparently they have an unlimited WAP browsing package and a seperate Data plan. Is there a WAP browser for my HTC Dash (so i can use their unlimited WAP browsing package and not subscribe to their expensive data plans)?

The unlimited WAP browsing package is not available on Windows Mobile Smartphones. Get the (iPhone promo until Aug 31) 30$ for 6GB plan while it is available. I just picked it up last week. It is probably the best you can do right now.

goraps said:
The unlimited WAP browsing package is not available on Windows Mobile Smartphones. Get the (iPhone promo until Aug 31) 30$ for 6GB plan while it is available. I just picked it up last week. It is probably the best you can do right now.
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So the Iphone is thirty dollars?

goraps said:
The unlimited WAP browsing package is not available on Windows Mobile Smartphones. Get the (iPhone promo until Aug 31) 30$ for 6GB plan while it is available. I just picked it up last week. It is probably the best you can do right now.
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I know but they put me on the 5mb mobile browser plan previously and made a boo boo on their end. All my data usage on my smartphone appeared under 5mb... so how can they even differentiate between the mobile data and smartphone data?

jdoggraz said:
So the Iphone is thirty dollars?
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No, there was such an outrage over the iPhone data plans in Canada that Rogers introduced a promo data plan of 30$ for 6GB to correspond to the launch of the iPhone 3G. This plan is available on other 3G phones as well. It is only available until Aug 31st.

ThePaleAle said:
I know but they put me on the 5mb mobile browser plan previously and made a boo boo on their end. All my data usage on my smartphone appeared under 5mb... so how can they even differentiate between the mobile data and smartphone data?
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It's not that they can differentiate between the data but they can tell through IMEI tracking what phone you are using and they will not let you use it with a WIndows Mobile Smartphone or a Blackberry. For those they have the 15$ unlimited email with 2MB of data or for 30$ you can get 6GB of data.

Damn, thats high. With AT&T, I get unlimited internet for $20 a month. And I have a blackjack with 3g service. But doesn't Operamini work with wap? I used on my old razr, which I think was only wap capable.

showaco said:
Damn, thats high. With AT&T, I get unlimited internet for $20 a month. And I have a blackjack with 3g service.
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Yes, our data plans are terrible here. Believe me this plan is way better than the non-promo plans.

goraps said:
It's not that they can differentiate between the data but they can tell through IMEI tracking what phone you are using and they will not let you use it with a WIndows Mobile Smartphone or a Blackberry. For those they have the 15$ unlimited email with 2MB of data or for 30$ you can get 6GB of data.
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I see, it's weird though because I've had the dash for ages now and i called yesterday she said that my smartphone data was being billed under the regular phone wap/data package.... ? She doesn't know why so I asked her just not to make any changes to my account

goraps said:
Yes, our data plans are terrible here. Believe me this plan is way better than the non-promo plans.
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You also have to put in consideration the currency worth....if there is any anymore.

Mikey1022 said:
You also have to put in consideration the currency worth....if there is any anymore.
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Actually, the conversion is almost equal. $20 US is like $20.11 Canadian. The AT&T plan I'm on is actually MediaNet which is like the wap deal above, but I've been on it for about 2 years and never had a problem. They also have pda plans and laptop tethering plans, but I always tether, use 3g, and have downloaded files around 300 MB on my phone with this plan. So my advice, Keep what you got if it works, unless you find something better.

So does anyone know or have any hard evidence of how they (rogers) is able to bill differently regular cellphone data and smartphone data?
MY hunch is that they apply your plan according to which phone you activate or tell them you have...

ThePaleAle said:
So does anyone know or have any hard evidence of how they (rogers) is able to bill differently regular cellphone data and smartphone data?
MY hunch is that they apply your plan according to which phone you activate or tell them you have...
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As I said in an earlier post they use IMEI tracking.

goraps said:
As I said in an earlier post they use IMEI tracking.
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Oh that sucks then..

jdoggraz said:
Oh that sucks then..
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yeah, it sux , but they do it anyway. LOL, but they do know exactly what you're running. I use media net which is just for cell phones and ATT has never said anything to me.

showaco said:
yeah, it sux , but they do it anyway. LOL, but they do know exactly what you're running. I use media net which is just for cell phones and ATT has never said anything to me.
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Oh so is media net kinda like our tzones?

goraps said:
As I said in an earlier post they use IMEI tracking.
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But the thing is i was being billed under wap data until i called them to check my account

ThePaleAle said:
But the thing is i was being billed under wap data until i called them to check my account
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How do you know you were being billed under the WAP data? There were a few months like up untill June I believe where they didn't have IMEI tracking implemented so they couldn't track your usage so people were basically getting unlimited data I believe.

goraps said:
How do you know you were being billed under the WAP data? There were a few months like up untill June I believe where they didn't have IMEI tracking implemented so they couldn't track your usage so people were basically getting unlimited data I believe.
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DAMN so how do you know they have IMEI Tracking now?

Available UK online from Vodaphone

No longer coming soon...
http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-3090.html
However the web site pricing doesn't work when viewed using Google Chrome as the browser.
Now firing up the spreadsheet to working out the best deal. My t-mobile contract runs out next month
Brought my Tytn from Vodapone and found them helpful when I had hardware problems.

billuk said:
No longer coming soon...
http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-3090.html
However the web site pricing doesn't work when viewed using Google Chrome as the browser.
Now firing up the spreadsheet to working out the best deal. My t-mobile contract runs out next month
Brought my Tytn from Vodapone and found them helpful when I had hardware problems.
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Anyone without a "business" got one? Anyone had any problems with not owning a business?
Many thanks,
Dave

I got one last week without a business, and they didn't seem bothered at all.
I got mine for £30+vat a month over 18 months and when I've just looked at the website it showed 3 months free. I rang up and complained that I wasn't offered this option, and he politely pointed out that it was for 24 month contracts only. Then he said if I wanted to change to it I could and he dropped the rental to £25 pm
So I have extended the contract AND saved money, are you listening Tmobile?

Thanks stunno, I think I'm going to upgrade... (it's been so long since I got my Kaiser, I've getting nervious )
@lloydsparkes, please don't thread hijack, I've deleted your posts, use one of the many T-Mob threads.
Dave

yeh i got mine from vodafone a week ago and im not a business owner...
they didnt seem too bothered about it either. Got a 25ppm contract for 24 months! figured the phone looks great and hopefully should work well (which it is for now) i didn't mind keeping it for 2 years!

Just a quick update - I was just in the Vodafone branch in Durham who told me that they had an email this morning telling them that the stores weren't going to stock it so it's online/telesales only.

double posting...sorry

DaveShaw said:
Thanks stunno, I think I'm going to upgrade... (it's been so long since I got my Kaiser, I've getting nervious )
@lloydsparkes, please don't thread hijack, I've deleted your posts, use one of the many T-Mob threads.
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Go for it Dave, you know you want to!
And when you get it, as your first job can you find a way of getting rid of the branding, please?

I've signed up on Vodafone for £34 + VAT per month, 18 months, and get 900 mins + unlimited TXT + 500mb data.
What are you guy's getting for £25 per month? If I'm getting a raw deal I may ask them to change it for me, or I have until Monday to decide to send it back within the 'peace of mind' return period.

I'm getting 500 minutes, unlimited landline and internet (but the AUP will be 50MB) and 250 texts

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I'm selling my touch pro 2, unbranded & unlocked for £500 or best offer if any1 interested
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My condolences mate, hope you find something soonest.
I too am between contracts, the job market sucks in the UK at the moment, but there is always work about as long as one can be humble.
Good luck again.
Cheers,
Beasty

for 25 a month i get 600 mins unlimited texts and unlimited internet i.e 500mb...but i did pay 196 for the phone....now i jus checked the website and they are selling the same contract for 170...i feel a bit cheated! im gna call them tomorrow and ask for a small refund atleast! every little helps!
Elfangor

Apparently you have 7 days 'make your mind up time' on the phone ( although I thought the Distance Selling Regs was 14 days, but could be wrong) so if you are within that you have a good bargaining position

elfangor said:
for 25 a month i get 600 mins unlimited texts and unlimited internet i.e 500mb...but i did pay 196 for the phone....now i jus checked the website and they are selling the same contract for 170...i feel a bit cheated! im gna call them tomorrow and ask for a small refund atleast! every little helps!
Elfangor
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"Every little helps" you didn't buy it from Tesco's surely ?

well being a student in huge debt that is slowly rising means that whatever little i can save elsewhere will help to pay for more beers!

just got off the phone with Vodafone! they are going to credit my account! luv it when they actually listen to you....

Good News! I'm beginning to like Vodafone

Does anyone know if the Vodafone TP2's are SIM unlocked?
Dave

mines sim unlocked.. tried with a three sim and orange...both passed a call test

My one is unlocked too - was using it with T-mobile before my number was ported.
I'm also pleased with Vodafone so far, and there coverage seems better than T-mobile so far where I live in Aberdeen.

Contracts from CPW

Question for those that have bought a desire from CPW, what kind of contracts are they offering in store? Are they any better than the ones they have online because they all look rubbish without internet?!
Thanks
Jon

Jon_010 said:
Question for those that have bought a desire from CPW, what kind of contracts are they offering in store? Are they any better than the ones they have online because they all look rubbish without internet?!
Thanks
Jon
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if you want to get a contract from cpw dont even bother with them, their prices are ridiculous. i went there earlier today and didnt get offered a single deal that would be better than the ones i looked at on the net, which is why I ordered mine over phone with tmobile

Hi,
Got my Desire, through CPW with T-Mob(Monday), Unlimited Web, 900 mins 500 txts, £30. 2 year Contract.

stuliv12 said:
Hi,
Got my Desire, through CPW with T-Mob(Monday), Unlimited Web, 900 mins 500 txts, £30. 2 year Contract.
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Thanks, did it come with a flexibooster they offer on the tmob web site? Also, was the phone free?
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if you want to get a contract from cpw dont even bother with them, their prices are ridiculous. i went there earlier today and didnt get offered a single deal that would be better than the ones i looked at on the net, which is why I ordered mine over phone with tmobile
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Yeah the ones they have on their website are pretty appaling, will see if i can get 20/25 pm by paying a bit up front...

the phone was free, i didnt ask about flexibooster im affraid. They did say the unlimited web was the current offer and mentioned next week that could be free broadband or some other offer. But, they did say i could change the unlimited web to another service if the tariff wasnt right.
HTH

It's worth checking out what that means - if you get the contract direct from t-mobile you'll get unlimited internet on an android phone no maatter what, then you can choose an additional flex booster for free. Call t-mobile support and they'll confirm if you qualify for this. If you do, could you please post here to let us know - not knowing whether I'll get unlimited itnernet and a flex booster is the main reason I've not bought from CPW yet (I've been told both yes and no from them, so not trusting them)

Mine was with t mobile. £ 35, 1200 minutes, 500 text unlimited internet.

Cuchulainn said:
It's worth checking out what that means - if you get the contract direct from t-mobile you'll get unlimited internet on an android phone no maatter what, then you can choose an additional flex booster for free. Call t-mobile support and they'll confirm if you qualify for this. If you do, could you please post here to let us know - not knowing whether I'll get unlimited itnernet and a flex booster is the main reason I've not bought from CPW yet (I've been told both yes and no from them, so not trusting them)
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Yeah I bought from cpw, got 900m 500 txt and unlimited web. Just spoke with t-mobile and they've confirmed the unlimited web is the flexi booster. You don't get a second choice, but you can change it each month if you want.

[Q] tzone dead today...?

woke up today and tried checking the weather...couldnt get a connection. Then used opera and it said i needed a subscription upgrade. Is this the end of the 5.99 tzone? Im running the energy rom and had no problem until this morning. I really hope its a data/network hiccup and resume back to the way it was...soon!
I also tried using wap.voicestream.com and epc.tmobile.com with no luck.

beeflolo said:
woke up today and tried checking the weather...couldnt get a connection. Then used opera and it said i needed a subscription upgrade. Is this the end of the 5.99 tzone? Im running the energy rom and had no problem until this morning. I really hope its a data/network hiccup and resume back to the way it was...soon!
I also tried using wap.voicestream.com and epc.tmobile.com with no luck.
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The $5.99 plan is not for smartphones. You'll need the normal data plan for the TP2. It normally connects through internet2.voicestream.com or internet3.voicestream.com. wap.voicestream.com is used for MMS.

I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have been using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?

dmercado_gto said:
I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.

dmercado_gto said:
I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have been using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?
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You are lucky that is all you are receiving. Their normal mode is to charge $1.99 per megabyte of download.

cajunflavoredbob said:
Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.
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Is that so...
sry to break it to you...but my 3G is back, 5.99 tzone lives on! Around 4pm, i tried it and was successful. This maybe like the hiccup that happened a few years ago. Lets hope everything goes back to the way it was. Streaming slacker radio now...

beeflolo said:
Is that so...
sry to break it to you...but my 3G is back, 5.99 tzone lives on! Around 4pm, i tried it and was successful. This maybe like the hiccup that happened a few years ago. Lets hope everything goes back to the way it was. Streaming slacker radio now...
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I talked to T-Mobile Blackberry/PDA Support or Tier 2/3 to some others. Most of us remember about this time last year they doing something similar to what they did Tuesday. Talking to TMBS, earlier in the day they were killing T-Mobile Web aka Unlimited T-Zones to Smartphones. I talked to another guy this evening that said the same thing with one caveat...which I asked what about those of us who have grandfathered data plans?
He looked over our account codes...whatever that means and he made the observation that the instructions for our SIM cards were erased in regards to our data plan which he said he put the instructions back. I was on the horn with him at the same time our internet came back up through no editing of our network connections, so I have no idea what to think.
I don't know if what was done today was a prelude to the introduction of Windows Phone 7 devices starting next month. I'm told T-Mobile will introduce 3 Windows Phone 7 devices for the upcoming holiday season - HTC Mozart aka HD3/7...take your pick, a LG and Samsung variation. Assuming they don't toy with our internet plans as they currently are I have to believe it will be a repeat of the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 Leo. You buy the device retail you can stay on T-Mobile Web.
All that said, I couldn't tell you whether it's all script or the truth.

cajunflavoredbob said:
Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.
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Well. T-zones is back up and running as of yesterday evening with my smartphone. Hopefully this was just a temporary outage.

Edge was working all through
dmercado_gto said:
Well. T-zones is back up and running as of yesterday evening with my smartphone. Hopefully this was just a temporary outage.
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Glad it is back. I have mine for more than 5yrs. But during this outage for last couple of days, I turned off 3G and it was working fine on Edge. Of course on 3G I was getting same subscription error.