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Being screwed with Mda III

I've posted it before and posting it again.. The screen on my MDA III cracked somehow.. anyway not finding any replacement parts anywhere i called t-mobile (uk) and they had no clue what to do.. after i called a few times they gave me a number.. (HTC Europe).
After sending my phone in for "inspection" (note: i specified BT problems,screen hissing noise and mic problems aswell) i was told i had to pay for a new screen.
After sending them a cheque of £105.75 (90 + vat) or about 195 US dollars, I was told i had to wait for some time for it to clear..
That took 2 weeks. When it got cleared they told me "its being repaired.. it should be tested tomorrow and after is final testing you'll get it back". This was on a monday.. "u should have it by wednesday".. I called again on tuesday to check.. "u should have it by the end of the week.." then "early next week". this went on for 2 weeks!
Called up again today (monday) ..i was told that the motherboard aint compatible with the screen and they have to replace it. We usually fix orange ones.. not t-mobile he said!!!!?!?!?! what the hell? parts are different? We'll change it tomorrow and u should have it by wednesday...
(year right)
Anyway..
So they'll be changing the motherboard (unless its a cheap excuse to buy some time) to change the screen. The IMEI should be different then shouldnt it?
I've been without my phone now for 5 weeks and im utterly pissed off.
The only thing i hope is when (EVENTUALLY) i'll get my phone back, it will have a fixed microphone so ppl can hear me.. latest rom on (which t-mobile is doing nothing about) BT that works and a screen that doesnt hiss when on (even better if it aint got yellow hue). If its UNLOCKED it would ease off the anger!
Im asking everyone to place their bets, that in about a month when im estimating to get my phone back that nothing will be changed. They told me the whole LCD will be changed AND the motherboard.
Options are :
1. Only the touchscreen is changed
2. The whole touchscreen and lcd is changed
3. LCD and Mobo are changed
4. 3 with software updates and patches
5. 4 and unlocked
6. Send me another one with all the original problems (with a softer keyboard with a huge gap)
7. Send me my money back saying we cant fix it
Place your bets now

Come on Jimp!!! Where's the official odds for these bets :wink:
Anyway, I'll stick £20 GBP on secret option...
2a. - LCD/touch screen changed with updates but original m/board (sorry, can't help thinking they're fobbing you off to get more time and save on warranty shipping costs)
Then I want £30 GBP on another secret option...
4a. - 3 with Release ROM and bluetooth patch, badged as "NEW" ROM, neither of which fix any of your previous issues.
Let me know how you get on.
Dom

as expected..
still nothing as they are giving lame excuses again to delay.
couple more days.. and if they wont do anything im complaining to my phone company.

I was assured today that my phone will b fixed tomorrow definetely and i should have it by friday.. Even tho i heard that loads of times im quite hopeful..
I also asked if the whole lcd will be changed and the mobo and they said yes... the touchscreen AND the lcd is one unit and we will replace it along with the mobo.
I told him if the serial number would change since the mobo is different , he said the serial will stay the same but the IMEI will change...
Hmm. I thought the SN was calculated with the IMEI and vice versa. Oh well ... We shall wait and see

So...... two questions now
The first one is:
What was the outcome of this bet
The second:
I have the same problem with my 9090. Can you please give me the telephone number of HTC Europe?
Kind regards,
-Bastian

outcome
The outcome was after waiting for 2 months(!!!!) i was told i would be getting my phone back with a new screen and a new motherboard.. Thats their lame way of saying heres a new phone and we struggled fixing it..
They gave me a new phone(after i paid 110 quid uk) with a fixed screen.. but with a loose keyboard.
HTC Europe Co.Ltd.
Capella House, Snowdon Drive,
Winterhill, Milton Keynes, MK6 1AJ, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 8712230217
Fax: +44 (0) 8712230221

O2 XDA cracked LCD
Hi jimp,
Man, what a pain!
Thanks for posting HTC Europe's address, would you know if they have an e-mail address.
I'm located in California and have the same problem with my O2 XDA IIs and have had no luck with trying to find a replacement LCD.
Also, how did you track your device, did the give you an RMA prior to sending in your unit?
Thanks

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marcom007 said:
I'm located in California and have the same problem with my O2 XDA IIs and have had no luck with trying to find a replacement LCD.
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Check out PocketPC Techs in southern California; they might do LCD replacements.

they gave me an rma ye..
The address is only for EU customers.
HTC must have a US support.
Better off going with pocket pc tech for screen replacement tho

Thanks for the info jimp.
Unfortunatelly there is no HTC support in the US that I have found. I'm also trying to work with PocketPC techs but they are not sure that they have the correct LCD for the O2 XDA IIs. They and another company PDASmart.com need an LCD part number to verify. Apparently, according to them, HTC changed the LCD model in their later productions.
Thanks again.

This sounds totally wild.
I can not belive that who ever import the BA to your country, does not have several repair shops around the country.
There are many Phone/PDA repair shops around, and importers normally have agrements with them.
I had mine fixed here in Norway.
Just drove in and delivered it, and without a receipt. (They just check the IMEI)
Drove back 3 days later, yep all done and ready.

It's not just wild, It sucks!!! :x
If I can not fix my XDA, it's going to suck even more. Worse is that I really liked the device. It was perfect for my work and play (as most of you that have them know), but I'm not sure that I would buy another one because of the lack of support and the cost.
The XDA IIs is not exported to the US via normal channels so there is NO support for it. There are a some service providers that have the Himalaya , but not the Blue Angel (yet anyway) availabel to US consumers. After weeks of contacting O2 in Europe and Asia to purchase one they pretty much told me to go away (in a very poplite manner that is). So I bought a used one (like new condition) from a private party on e-bay and he faxed me his original receipt from the vendor he bough it from in December. When I contacted the vendor, they did not even want to deal with me becasue I was not the original owner.

any warranty on the xda orbit??

just wonderign i bought this last december on contract with o2
does it come with a 12 months manufacturers warranty?
as most devices do???
havent got insurance nor anything else
so please advise on situation and how xda or o2 get invovled in this warranty?

hi, yes there is a 12 month warenty for xda phones.....i think the number is 08081003427
just phone them up tell them what the fault is, and theyll post you a prepaid postage box to post the phone to them......but if the fault is of carelessness be prepared to pay.
Ariel

If your on a 18 or 24 month contract they apparently cover you for that period too.

masked marauder that is insurance
Warranty covers you for a year unless otherwise stated and the warrenty is from the manufacturer of the device, htc in this case, for £7.50 a month, on o2's insurace, covers you against everything, and the replacement fone they send u is a brand new 1, warranty is for some thing that goes wrong through general use example the usb or trackball

Exec Man said:
masked marauder that is insurance
Warranty covers you for a year unless otherwise stated and the warrenty is from the manufacturer of the device, htc in this case, for £7.50 a month, on o2's insurace, covers you against everything, and the replacement fone they send u is a brand new 1, warranty is for some thing that goes wrong through general use example the usb or trackball
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Not according to the paperwork I got with the device a few days ago. In any case UK consumer rights are not anything to do with the manufacturer's warranty, under consumer rights the goods must be fit for purpose when it comes to durability. Thus if they are part of a deal that involves a contract you have the right to expect the goods to function correctly for the period of the contract. These rights are between you and the seller, not the manufacturer.

If you cracked a screen on GSM version and live in US. You need to know this...

I recently purchased GSM Galaxy Nexus from Expansys-US and not long after that I accidentally dropped the phone and cracked the screen. I am currently residing in US. If this happens to you, do not expect assistance from Samsung UK. They cannot assist you if you do not reside in UK. Here is the email threads that I have exchange with Samsung UK.
My First Email
I have purchased Galaxy Nexus from expansys-usa.com, but I live in XXXXX USA. I have issue where the fortified glass is cracked around the front facing camera. I need to have this issue fixed. I registered my product on UK Support site and opened up inquiry. The response I received from UK Support is that they cannot help me at all since I do not live in UK. When I try to register the galaxy nexus on US site, I was not able to do so since it can't find galaxy nexus. I really need to find out how to get this issue resolve. Please provide me step so I can talk to someone that will help me resolve this problem.
First Samsung Response Email
Customer reference number: XXXXXXXX
Email response ID: XXXXXXXX
Please quote your customer reference number when contacting Samsung
Dear XXXXX
Thank you for contacting Samsung.
I'm afraid that since your phone's screen was damaged this will not be covered under warranty anyway. I
would therefore urge you to bring your phone to a local mobile phone repair shop and ask them to repair it as
Samsung UK cannot repair this under warranty.
If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and we will be more than happy to help.
Kind regards
Ciaran
Online Support Team
SAMSUNG Customer Support Centre
Second email I wrote is to ask if they can provide me a Service Center I can contact so I can receive the repair service. Here is the second response.
My Second Email
The answer you gave me is not very helpful at all. The problem is Samsung so-called fortified screen is not so fortified. It's cracked and for the ten billionth times I know that it's not cover under the freaking warranty. Now as Customer Service try to figure out how you can help me. There is no local phone repair store I know that can help repair Galaxy Nexus which has not been release in US. Why can't I send the phone to UK to get it repair? What's the cost of the repair? What's the cost to have the phone shipped back to me? Where can I send to the phone to be repair? Why can't you guys give me that information? If this is the kind of service I get from purchasing products from Samsung. I will refrain buying from Samsung altogether in the future. If you, Customer Service, can't solve this issue please escalate to your manager. If your manager can't do it, find someone who is competent and capable of assisting me in solving this issue.
Second Samsung Response Email
Customer reference number: XXXXXXXX
Email response ID: 2106733927
Please quote your customer reference number when contacting Samsung
Dear XXXXX
Thank you for contacting Samsung.
I am sorry to hear that your screen has become broken.
I would suggest you get in contact with the following service centre to see if they will accept the phone in for
repair from outside the UK.
Regeneris Limited
32 Fountain Drive
Inchinnan Buisness Park
Renfreshire
PA49RF
Glasgow
Phone +44 141 812 1111
As this damage is not covered by warranty this is the best solution I can provide you with. I hope this resolves
the issues you are facing and you get your phone back soon.
If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and
we will be more than happy to help.
Kind regards
Chris
Online Support Team
SAMSUNG Customer Support Centre
Then I contacted Regeneris Limited in UK for service assistance. Here are the following email message between Regeneris and myself.
My email
Support,
I was recommended by Samsung to contact Regenersis in regards to repairing cracked screen on Samsung Galaxy Nexus. I also have been informed by Samsung that the warranty does not cover cracked screen. If Regenersis can service cracked screen on Galaxy Nexus, I am curious to find out the cost of the service plus the price of shipping to XXXXX, US. Approximately how many days will it take to fix the problem?
The screen is cracked around front facing camera.
Regenersis Email
Good Morning
Thank you for your email.
Can you please advise if you purchased your handset from the UK.
If you did then we will be able to repair this for you.
It costs roughly £100-200 for the screen to be repaired plus about £10 to return the handset back to the US.
Regards
lorna
My Email
It was purchased from http://www.expansys-usa.com/
Regenersis Email
Hi
As this handset was purchased from the USA we are unable to repair this here.
You would need to contact Samsung to find out where the handset can be repaired in the USA.
lorna
So far as you can see I have been receiving a great customer service. Even though I bought my phone form Expansis-US which is part of Expansis in UK, I was told that they cannot do anything for me in term of service. Then I wrote back another email to Samsung UK and here is what I have received for the reply.
Third Samsung Response Email
Customer reference number: XXXXXXXX
Email response ID: 2106785983
Please quote your customer reference number when contacting Samsung
Dear XXXXX
Thank you for contacting Samsung.
I am sorry to hear that your screen is broken and that Regenerise is unable to help you.
As you are not in the UK I cannot offer further support in this matter. You will need to contact SamsungUS to
find a repair centre in your area.
This information can also be found on our American website.
www.samsung.com/us
If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and
we will be more than happy to help.
Kind regards
Chris
Online Support Team
SAMSUNG Customer Support Centre
From that email, Samsung UK literally informed me that I am SCREWED for purchasing their product not specifically made for US market. I am hoping that since the release of Galaxy Nexus even though it’s not the same as GSM version, I would be able to get some sort of assistance in repairing my cracked FORTIFIED screen. Please find someone that can help me getting this issue resolve. If you are going to email with the similar answer to Samsung UK, please don’t bother. I want a resolution to cracked FORTIFIED screen.
Suggestion for resolving this issue:
• Provide me a service center in US where I can service my phone.
• Provide me the cost of repairing the so called FORTIFIED screen.
• Provide me that length of time it will need to fix the issue.
I just opened up another ticket with Samsung US. Since Verizon Galaxy Nexus is available in US, I am hoping that Samsung US can help me with the problem. Stay tune for future update.

I'm probably not offering much help, but maybe you could try contacting Samsung CDN and get the info you want.
Just a thought.
Hope you get your phone fixed.

Apologies if this sounds rude, but you should've asked expansys if they would be willing to ship your phone to the UK for repairs before buying it or at least looked up Samsung's international warranty handling (as you found out-nonexistant). Handtec states in their terms that they are wiling to do this if you ship the phone to them, expansys makes no mention at all about the warranty of this phone.
I'm sure if you can buy the glass from ebay or another seller and take it to a local phone repair shop they can fix it for you.
Also-I don't believe cracked glass is covered under warranty, you would have to pay for it out of pocket regardless.

So you dropped your phone, and after one email from Samsung basically telling you it's not covered (because its not) you decided to be an ass to the customer service rep? Real nice.

I was also under the impression that Expansys-USA would handle the warranty situation for you, similar to the way Handtec does (i.e., you send the phone to Expansys, they send it to the UK to be serviced, it gets sent back to Expansys, and Expansys sends it back to you). Have you contacted them as the poster before me has suggested? Please keep us updated. I'm curious to hear how this is handled.

You went about this all wrong.
First, you need to contact expansys and use them as an intermediary.
Second, your email to Samsung USA is laughable. You seem to think that because your phone has a fortified screen, it should be invulnerable to damage.
Third, being kind and constructive will achieve more than being snide, condescending, and sarcastic. I am confident you will learn from this valuable experience.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

you will not get warranty period
even if you did buy it locally
a screen damage is a PHYSICAL damage, no factory warranty covers that.
only if you buy expensive no hassle warranties from like Best Buy and such, and they will only let you fix it ONCE! that's all
just google or search ebay for replacement screens, and do it youself as many members have done in the forum
average $200 ~ $250 + shipping cost + taxes where applicable
or better yet, chop the phone to pieces and sell it as part you get more money out of it that way, then buy a new phone

This is called grey market electronics and has always been iffy.
Stock ICS OTA 4.0.3

AllGamer said:
you will not get warranty period
even if you did buy it locally
a screen damage is a PHYSICAL damage, no factory warranty covers that.
only if you buy expensive no hassle warranties from like Best Buy and such, and they will only let you fix it ONCE! that's all
just google or search ebay for replacement screens, and do it youself as many members have done in the forum
average $200 ~ $250 + shipping cost + taxes where applicable
or better yet, chop the phone to pieces and sell it as part you get more money out of it that way, then buy a new phone
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I don't think the OP expected the screen to be fixed free of charge. Normally, if you crack your screen, the manufacturer will fix it for you for a price. For example, my mother shattered the glass on her Nexus S a few months ago and Samsung US had her send it to them and replaced the screen for something like $150. I assume this is what the OP was looking for.

the thing is on his emails tone, and the way how Tech Support or Customer Service people reads it is
"i want my screen replaced free"
so they will automatically give them the typical reply which you see quoted on the first page
he should have sent an email asking
"Which service centre do i sent my phone, to have my broken screen replace, and how much the repair it cost?"
then you will get the proper response from the CSR people or TS people

AllGamer said:
you will not get warranty period
even if you did buy it locally
a screen damage is a PHYSICAL damage, no factory warranty covers that.
only if you buy expensive no hassle warranties from like Best Buy and such, and they will only let you fix it ONCE! that's all
just google or search ebay for replacement screens, and do it youself as many members have done in the forum
average $200 ~ $250 + shipping cost + taxes where applicable
or better yet, chop the phone to pieces and sell it as part you get more money out of it that way, then buy a new phone
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Don't mean to be rude but Best Buy's warranty is about $10 per month which is a few dollars more then carriers insurance and you get unlimited repairs, you just have to wait the 2-5 days it takes to get the refurb back. Know this from personal experience, I've sent some kids iPhone out about 5 times for cracked screens because he refuses to get a case because he doesn't have to worry about paying deductibles and nonsense.
On topic: Try buying a screen and checking out local computer repair shops. I know where I live if you buy the screen my local computer repair shop will replace it for a fee.

mcp2009 said:
Don't mean to be rude but Best Buy's warranty is about $10 per month which is a few dollars more then carriers insurance and you get unlimited repairs, you just have to wait the 2-5 days it takes to get the refurb back. Know this from personal experience,
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that's a different warranty, the one i had in mind was the $250 for the life of the phone, and it is transferable to the refurb or replacement phone.
but it was not a monthly payment of $10
that might be a different plan i'm not aware of
either case i would not pay monthly, that's probably how they recoup the loses, as you will be forever paying until you cancel it

From what I've read it's near impossible to replace the glass in the phone because it's fused to the housing. Have to replace the screen and housing with glass.

AllGamer said:
the thing is on his emails tone, and the way how Tech Support or Customer Service people reads it is
"i want my screen replaced free"
so they will automatically give them the typical reply which you see quoted on the first page
he should have sent an email asking
"Which service centre do i sent my phone, to have my broken screen replace, and how much the repair it cost?"
then you will get the proper response from the CSR people or TS people
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Agreed. OP, you definitely could have used a different tone. Either way, contact Expansys and see what they tell you. And please report back here once you do, if you don't mind. I'm sure a lot of people would be curious to hear how this will be handled.

OP, your communications with the service center is awful. To the point I could call you an ass.
The first thing you did wrong was contact Samsung UK even though you live in the US
Basically, you're like "I bought a motorcycle from Brazil and now I've gone through customs, imports, registration in Japan so I can ride it. Brazil, even though you didn't authorize the export of the motorcycle, even though you don't operate in the Japan market, even though you guys speak a different language, even though you're half a world away, I want you to take care of my motorcycle cause I crashed it into a car."

Am i missing something? You broke the screen, the GSM verison isn't avaiable in the us. You bought the unlocked UK version, find a local shop and get it repaired. No need to be an ass. Samsung didnt do anything wrong here.

I already contacted Expansys-US and there is nothing that they can do for me. They suggest that I contact Samsung UK. Those are series of emails, not just one emails from Samsung. I was polite at first but after series of emails without any answers to my questions I started to get angry.
I already know from the second email from Samsung UK that it's not cover by the warranty which I am ok. I am willing to spend money to fix the screen. It takes another 4-6 emails for me to find out that service center in UK cannot do anything at all even though I am willing to pay for the service.
In the end all Samsung could do was to inform me there is nothing they can do for me. All I want is a place where I can send my phone to be service, and I will pay for it. That's not much to ask. If they can answer my question at the beginning, I would not have been rude to them. After series of emails, I had enough. I just want to let folks know that's all.

The answer you gave me is not very helpful at all. The problem is Samsung so-called fortified screen is not so fortified. It's cracked and for the ten billionth times I know that it's not cover under the freaking warranty.​
yeah, that kinda tone wont garner you any sympathy, especially if its your "SECOND EMAIL' - not quite the billionth time
grow up

The fact that you bought a grey market item means there is no warranty. ADD to the fact that you are talking to the UK arm of Samsung makes it a tough situation.
Expansys-US probably did not help you because they knew that this was something that is not covered under warranty. What did you expect them to do? Find a place that you pay to repair it and have them handle it? That's on you.
You probably will not find any luck having to do anything with the UK. Maybe try Samsung US and say you bought a Verizon GN and ask them if they would be able to repair the screen for a cost? Or ask them where you could send it?

aldo37 said:
Expansys-US probably did not help you because they knew that this was something that is not covered under warranty. What did you expect them to do? Find a place that you pay to repair it and have them handle it? That's on you.
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I wonder if this is indeed the reason Expansys didn't help, or whether they never help w/ warranty replacement. I have a friend who wants to order the Galaxy Nexus from Expansys since they're in the U.S. I e-mailed them for him yesterday asking what their warranty policy is, but they haven't gotten back to me yet. I'm wondering if it's because they don't help you out at all. If this is the case, I don't know why anyone would order through Expansys, when companies like Handtec will act as your intermediary for warranty claims.

International HOX HTC Service for USA awareness.

Greets all,
Just wanted to make some people aware in case no one wasnt about the HTC support with has left a extremely bad taste. Let me explain in short:
I bought the HOX international version and I live in the US, I wanted the quad core instead of the dual core. Long story short the screen got smashed cause I had lost my balance, so I called HTC and wanted to send it to them to replace the screen instead of me doing it. Mind you it has a 1 year warranty. So they took my info and then gave me an RMA to send it off, so far no problem. I packed up the phone sent it off to them and for a month I kept hearing when I would check up by calling, "we are waiting for the part to ship". I figured how hard is it to get a screen for their own phone. Well I got the phone call today and this is what they tell me:
We cant repair your phone because its an international phone based off the UK, and you are in the US, and because of the ITC court ruling in favor of Apple, we are not allowed to repair and send you back your phone. We have two options we can provide for you: 1) Replace the phone with a US ATT version unlocked, 2) or we can send the phone back to you unrepaired.
I told them why would I want a sub-version of the HOX with a dual core when I bought a quad core. I told them I'll buy the screen and send it to them and they can fix it, they said no they couldnt do that. So I told them, so your telling me that I have to buy the screen, replace it myself, which then voids my warranty instantly because I repaired it myself? They said basically yes.
So now I have to go find a complete screen replacement for the International HOX, replace it myself, and basically kill my warranty thanks to a BS ruling in favor of Apple. I cant believe instead of making a customer happy which was going to Pay for the repair, they wont touch it. I would have thought that it would be they couldnt sell the phone or something, not repair it!
So I would suggest to people who have the international phone in the US to beware of HTC, seems they wont fix the phone if its in the US.

It's always been like this with International phones. Warranties aren't valid in the U.S.. This is why you purchase 3rd party coverage like SquareTrade.
And, if you look near you, I am sure you can find cell phone shops that can repair your screen for well under $100. We have them here in Delaware.

AngelDeath said:
Greets all,
Just wanted to make some people aware in case no one wasnt about the HTC support with has left a extremely bad taste. Let me explain in short:
I bought the HOX international version and I live in the US, I wanted the quad core instead of the dual core. Long story short the screen got smashed cause I had lost my balance, so I called HTC and wanted to send it to them to replace the screen instead of me doing it. Mind you it has a 1 year warranty. So they took my info and then gave me an RMA to send it off, so far no problem. I packed up the phone sent it off to them and for a month I kept hearing when I would check up by calling, "we are waiting for the part to ship". I figured how hard is it to get a screen for their own phone. Well I got the phone call today and this is what they tell me:
We cant repair your phone because its an international phone based off the UK, and you are in the US, and because of the ITC court ruling in favor of Apple, we are not allowed to repair and send you back your phone. We have two options we can provide for you: 1) Replace the phone with a US ATT version unlocked, 2) or we can send the phone back to you unrepaired.
I told them why would I want a sub-version of the HOX with a dual core when I bought a quad core. I told them I'll buy the screen and send it to them and they can fix it, they said no they couldnt do that. So I told them, so your telling me that I have to buy the screen, replace it myself, which then voids my warranty instantly because I repaired it myself? They said basically yes.
So now I have to go find a complete screen replacement for the International HOX, replace it myself, and basically kill my warranty thanks to a BS ruling in favor of Apple. I cant believe instead of making a customer happy which was going to Pay for the repair, they wont touch it. I would have thought that it would be they couldnt sell the phone or something, not repair it!
So I would suggest to people who have the international phone in the US to beware of HTC, seems they wont fix the phone if its in the US.
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Blame Apple. Sounds like HTC is jammed up by a court decision, not because they want to piss you off.

Before the rage begins, I think offering to swap it with an ATT unit was a really good gesture. HTC US deal with the ATT model, and it makes sense that's what they offer!

Baldilocks said:
It's always been like this with International phones. Warranties aren't valid in the U.S.. This is why you purchase 3rd party coverage like SquareTrade.
And, if you look near you, I am sure you can find cell phone shops that can repair your screen for well under $100. We have them here in Delaware.
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That isn't entirely true. HTC has a global warranty so it doesn't matter which country you are in.
blackalice said:
Before the rage begins, I think offering to swap it with an ATT unit was a really good gesture. HTC US deal with the ATT model, and it makes sense that's what they offer!
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I thought it was better than them just telling him that he was completely screwed. Sure it isn't the same phone but in some circumstances it is better than no phone.

The problem here is its not a warranty issue, this is a out of warranty repair, this is like buying a BMW over seas, bringing it here and then something goes wrong and you needed it fixed, BMW here says sorry we cant touch it cause Ford wont allow it. A global warranty or even a out of warranty repair shouldnt be held subject to Crapple. I understand they cant offer the phone here in the states, but repairing? you got to be kidding!
Plus I'm not out of a phone, I have a second HOX international I got it after this one got smashed. But now I have to fix the white one when it comes in and fix it myself, but its wrong that my fixing it voids all warranties, I'd even accept if it was a warranty repair and it couldnt be fixed and they offered the US version as an alternative dur to the restrictions, but this is like going to a service repair shop and they wont fix it. It's BS.

Baldilocks said:
It's always been like this with International phones. Warranties aren't valid in the U.S.
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Actually, up until the Apple litigation, they did repair international phones in the U.S. (unlike Samsung). The problem is that they aren't permitted to reload the international s/w here in the U.S. because it contains features that have been banned. The U.S. XL for example doesn't have the traditional Android app picker; it's been replaced by a tabled menu. Anyone importing an international phone in to the U.S. really needs to fully investigate the down sides before making a purchase. And HTC U.S. deserves kudos for offering a One XL as replacement for a phone not even purchased in the U.S.
Dear Barry,
I understand you have some questions about the Bootloader unlock tool and the warranty for your device. I know how important it is for you to receive correct information and I will be happy to answer any questions you may have.
Unlocking the bootloader means that you now have the ability to customize software on your device. Barry, please note that changing your bootloader can cause significant issues with your device and once you have unlocked your device, you have agreed to the disclaimer that states a change in warranty status such that in the event you render your device unusable, you are responsible for the recovery of your device, whether by repair or by other means. The final decision about what is covered under the warranty (and the cost) is up to the repair technicians if you have your device repaired.
As for the warranty, your device does have Global Warranty so if you ever need your device repaired, we can do so here in the United States. Again, the final decision about what is covered under the warranty (and the cost) is up to the repair technicians if you have your device repaired.
To set up a repair ticket, you will need to speak to the HTC America Warranty & Repair Center. Their contact information is 1-888-617-1113 from 8 A.M. – 8 P.M. ET, 7 days a week. Barry, they will be able to answer any questions you have about the warranty and repair process.
I hope this was helpful and that I have answered all of your questions. If you ever have any questions, Barry, please do not hesitate to send us another email. We will be more than happy to answer any questions you have about your device. Thank you for taking the time to contact us and I hope you have a great week!
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If you want to keep the tegra one x i suggest sending it to a friend/family member in europe and get them to get it repaired.

Or, like I suggested, take it to a local cell phone repair shop. They can fix it fairly quickly, usually while you wait.

I'm confused why you are unhappy with HTC. You bought a phone from them and they offered you international warranty. In the meanwhile, the law of the land changed and the warranty is invalidated as a result. HTC recognizes this and offers you something within the purview of the law because you are their customer and want to keep you as their customer. I agree that this is actually a thumbs up for HTC to offer you an One XL in exchange for something which is not at all their fault.
Also you prolly are just another one caught up in the whole Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc patent-licensing bit and if the judgement was put out a little later, HTC would have repaired the phone. HTC warranty also states that you open the hardware without us being involved, we ain't gonna touch it, which IMHO is fair. Somebody buys my product, messes up the internals, bring it back to me to fix for free (or something close). So i do, since i promised on good faith and next thing i know, everybody around here doing exchanges.
The best thing is to send it outside the US where it can be fixed, hell, send it to India and i'll send it in for fixing and ship it back to you when its done. Or do what Baldilocks^^^ just suggested.

Baldilocks said:
Or, like I suggested, take it to a local cell phone repair shop. They can fix it fairly quickly, usually while you wait.
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akhileshp said:
The best thing is to send it outside the US where it can be fixed, hell, send it to India and i'll send it in for fixing and ship it back to you when its done. Or do what Baldilocks^^^ just suggested.
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won't both these methods still invalidate the warranty though?

But, it will be fixed.

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Or, like I suggested, take it to a local cell phone repair shop. They can fix it fairly quickly, usually while you wait.
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Got the name of the place in Deleware? And the problem with local shops is not all of them know what they are doing even if they say they do, remember alot just see dollar signs, so its hard to find a shop that actually knows what they are doing. Plus this being an international version, the other problem is finding the right screen that fits and is original, most will just take the cheapest they find and charge you double plus labor.
akhileshp said:
I'm confused why you are unhappy with HTC. You bought a phone from them and they offered you international warranty. In the meanwhile, the law of the land changed and the warranty is invalidated as a result. HTC recognizes this and offers you something within the purview of the law because you are their customer and want to keep you as their customer. I agree that this is actually a thumbs up for HTC to offer you an One XL in exchange for something which is not at all their fault.
Also you prolly are just another one caught up in the whole Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc patent-licensing bit and if the judgement was put out a little later, HTC would have repaired the phone. HTC warranty also states that you open the hardware without us being involved, we ain't gonna touch it, which IMHO is fair. Somebody buys my product, messes up the internals, bring it back to me to fix for free (or something close). So i do, since i promised on good faith and next thing i know, everybody around here doing exchanges.
The best thing is to send it outside the US where it can be fixed, hell, send it to India and i'll send it in for fixing and ship it back to you when its done. Or do what Baldilocks^^^ just suggested.
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The problem here is very simple, again I understand about not selling the phone in the states based on the ruling, but when you already OWN the phone whether its before the ruling or after, should NOT apply to repairs. Hence my example of BMW and Ford. Repairs of a phone isnt the same thing as buying or HTC attempting to sell the phone in the US defying the ruling. Its basic customer support and relations.
Its the same for example, you unlock the bootloader and leave the stock rom, or you flash a custom rom, then you break your screen, you call HTC for an out of warranty repair, and they tell you they cant fix it cause you unlocked the bootloader when the cracked screen has nothing to do with the unlocked bootloader. Or if there is a know defect in the phone and they wont fix it because of the ruling, or cause its unlocked. Once a phone is purchased the ruling should have no effect or implications to repairs, and I havent read the ruling, but I would be HIGHLY surprised if the ruling did include repairs, I can almost guarantee the ruling has to do with selling in the states.
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won't both these methods still invalidate the warranty though?
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Sending it to someone outside of the US and having them call HTC for repair no will not void the warranty, because you are having HTC do the repairs. Opening it yourself and doing the repair yes will. But when you dont know anyone overseas to send it to you have no choice, its either have a useless phone, or fix it yourself, and how many are going to let a $550 phone thats fairly new sit that way?
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Agreed.

https://plus.google.com/112648899669966964704/about?gl=us&hl=en
There is a link to their Google+ page. Complete with address and phone number.

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You sent your "not for USA, not sold in USA" phone for an OUT of WARRANTY repair, yet they offered you an ATT replacement because of Legal issues. That is called GREAT customer service!
By the way, read the warranty booklet, it clearly states that warranty is applicable only in countries where the phone is sold in, and the Tegra3 HOX is NOT sold in USA.
If you still want to repair it through HTC, check from where you baught the phone, many UK online retailers (not sure of other EU) will gladly handle the repair of the phones they sell through HTC.

[Q] HTC One X Warranty Denied

Hi Guys,
Recently my HTC One X's screen has stopped working, it remains black and won't turn on although I know the phone is still on.
However, I was on a custom rom so I relocked my bootloader and flashed an RUU before sending it in for warranty repair.
Three UK (my network provider) says that my phone is not under warranty and the cost of repair is:
'Quote 76.59, HANDSET NON GENIUNE SW F400 FLAG BY DIAGNOSTICS BOOTLOADER RELOCKED'
I am a student in the UK with not a lot of money, so I cannot afford to pay this cost
However I am pretty sure that the display not working is a hardware fault, and as such has nothing to do with the bootloader which is software-based. In addition, I have used the phone for less than 12 months, so it should still be under warranty.
I have also read this thread which says that other people in the UK got their phone repaired after unlocking the bootloader, so I am a bit disappointed. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1928479
Please could you guys tell me what I should do?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
DarkEddy

If Three provided the phone they have a legal obligation to repair or replace it.

BenPope said:
If Three provided the phone they have a legal obligation to repair or replace it.
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Thank you for the information sir!
However they are charging me for this, is that illegal? In addition, I would like to ask whether I have actually broken my warranty by unlocking the bootloader?
Thanks,
DarkEddy

I don't know if it's illegal to charge you.
I will say they have a legal obligation under consumer law to provide a phone free from defects for a reasonable amount of time. Reasonable would be at least the term of the contract.
It seems unfair to charge you just because the bootloader was relocked, I think they should at least try to determine that that was the cause (which is unlikely).
IANAL.

BenPope said:
I don't know if it's illegal to charge you.
I will say they have a legal obligation under consumer law to provide a phone free from defects for a reasonable amount of time. Reasonable would be at least the term of the contract.
It seems unfair to charge you just because the bootloader was relocked, I think they should at least try to determine that that was the cause (which is unlikely).
IANAL.
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Thanks, in the forum that I quoted one guy said 'they are happy to repair unlocked phones as long as its a genuine hardware fault'.
I will contact Three and quote this to them, and ask them to prove that it was a hardware fault, but if they still deny my warranty, how should I proceed? Should I quote my statutory rights (I don't really understand what this means but I understand that since I'm in the UK this should help)?
Thanks,
DarkEddy

DarkyHero said:
Thanks, in the forum that I quoted one guy said 'they are happy to repair unlocked phones as long as its a genuine hardware fault'.
I will contact Three and quote this to them, and ask them to prove that it was a hardware fault, but if they still deny my warranty, how should I proceed? Should I quote my statutory rights (I don't really understand what this means but I understand that since I'm in the UK this should help)?
Thanks,
DarkEddy
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The Sales of Goods and Sales of Goods and Services acts both prescribe that retailers must prove to you that you caused the damage – this is only valid for 6 months after the purchase period but I would just proceed with that line regardless of the time limit.
Technically after 6 months, If you feel you have the proof that you did not cause the issue then proceed onto telling them why. Reassure them they have a legal obligation to the 3 R's, repair, replace or refund. Finally ask them for their final position on the matter "because I (you) need that to take it up with the associated ombudsmen."
Remember that politeness and persistence is enough for most people to give in.

leonforthewin said:
The Sales of Goods and Sales of Goods and Services acts both prescribe that retailers must prove to you that you caused the damage – this is only valid for 6 months after the purchase period but I would just proceed with that line regardless of the time limit.
Technically after 6 months, If you feel you have the proof that you did not cause the issue then proceed onto telling them why. Reassure them they have a legal obligation to the 3 R's, repair, replace or refund. Finally ask them for their final position on the matter "because I (you) need that to take it up with the associated ombudsmen."
Remember that politeness and persistence is enough for most people to give in.
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Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it!
The thing I am scared about however is that since most of Customer Service won't understand this, they will connect their superiors, possibly a manager, who will understand everything that is going on. Then, I don't know if I will have a shot with convincing him.
My official contract with my HTC One X started exactly one day short of six months ago, but Three sent me the HTC One X a few weeks before that, so I have had my HTC One X for more than six months . Will this still count as within six months?
Thanks,
DarkEddy

leonforthewin said:
The Sales of Goods and Sales of Goods and Services acts both prescribe that retailers must prove to you that you caused the damage – this is only valid for 6 months after the purchase period but I would just proceed with that line regardless of the time limit.
Technically after 6 months, If you feel you have the proof that you did not cause the issue then proceed onto telling them why. Reassure them they have a legal obligation to the 3 R's, repair, replace or refund. Finally ask them for their final position on the matter "because I (you) need that to take it up with the associated ombudsmen."
Remember that politeness and persistence is enough for most people to give in.
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I called the repair centre and they said that apparently they have to replace the motherboard, even though the problem is with the display. I argued with them about the Sales of Goods act but they said they are working for the manufacturer (HTC) and they have to repair all faults on the phone, and apparently the locked bootloader is one problem.
Please could you tell me what I should do?

DarkyHero said:
I called the repair centre and they said that apparently they have to replace the motherboard, even though the problem is with the display. I argued with them about the Sales of Goods act but they said they are working for the manufacturer (HTC) and they have to repair all faults on the phone, and apparently the locked bootloader is one problem.
Please could you tell me what I should do?
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Any stipulations by the manufacturer to the retailer is simply not your problem.
More info:
http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu

The same happened with me, Three want to charge me £76 to repair due to what they called illegal software being loaded. So when I picked up my phone I got a letter stating that a circuit board had been replaced. In fact they just gave me a brand new phone instead. Why would you quote for a repair and then give the customer a whole new phone? I smell something here.

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Any stipulations by the manufacturer to the retailer is simply not your problem.
More info:
http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu
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Thanks man, you are awesome! But should I take this up with the seller, i.e. Three UK, and not the repair centre? Because the lady at the repair centre was extremely stubborn and said that since they were working for the repair centre, she had to replace the motherboard as HTC requires them to fix everything that is broken with the phone. What should I do in this situation?
Thanks,
DarkEddy

Maximus78 said:
The same happened with me, Three want to charge me £76 to repair due to what they called illegal software being loaded. So when I picked up my phone I got a letter stating that a circuit board had been replaced. In fact they just gave me a brand new phone instead. Why would you quote for a repair and then give the customer a whole new phone? I smell something here.
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Did you end up paying them the £76 or did you manage to get them to waive the charges? And yes, I completely agree but apparently they have to fix everything that is broken with the phone, even though a relocked bootloader is not a problem.

Sorry for clarification, generally the Sales of Goods Act applies only when you buy a product outright ie. buy the phone from phones4u or online etc. The Sales of Goods and Services act applies when you sign up for a credit agreement/service contract with a phone. However they both protect you in the same way.
The acts protect you with the retailer/the place of purchase. Your argument is with Three (3) and long as they accept fault with the device you are in the clear. Contrary to popular belief 'warranties' can be somewhat useless most of the time, it's your legal rights as a consumer that count.
The fact that you're a week over the 6 month period of 'proof' isn't the big issue here so don't worry about that.
To be really honest all people who flash their phones should fork out for comprehensive phone insurance. My insurance replaces my phone the very next day before 11am if I am ever to lose it.
Back onto your real issue; unlocking the bootloader does not cause the screen to become faulty, neither does installing custom firmware. I cannot provide proof of this however I'm sure that one of out super experienced XDA members can confirm it.

leonforthewin said:
Sorry for clarification, generally the Sales of Goods Act applies only when you buy a product outright ie. buy the phone from phones4u or online etc. The Sales of Goods and Services act applies when you sign up for a credit agreement/service contract with a phone. However they both protect you in the same way.
The acts protect you with the retailer/the place of purchase. Your argument is with Three (3) and long as they accept fault with the device you are in the clear. Contrary to popular belief 'warranties' can be somewhat useless most of the time, it's your legal rights as a consumer that count.
The fact that you're a week over the 6 month period of 'proof' isn't the big issue here so don't worry about that.
To be really honest all people who flash their phones should fork out for comprehensive phone insurance. My insurance replaces my phone the very next day before 11am if I am ever to lose it.
Back onto your real issue; unlocking the bootloader does not cause the screen to become faulty, neither does installing custom firmware. I cannot provide proof of this however I'm sure that one of out super experienced XDA members can confirm it.
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Thanks, but I'm a bit confused over one thing. In the link provided (http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu) it states that:
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty. You have to understand that in EU we have a “statutory warranty”, which is compulsory that the seller must offer by law (Directive 1999/44/CE, §7.1) and a “voluntary warranty” which the seller or manufacturer can, but does not need to, offer as an additional service to the consumer. Usually the “voluntary warranty” covers a longer period of time or additional accidents not covered by law6. If though the seller, the manufacturer or anyone else offers a “voluntary warranty”, he is bound to it as well!
So, even if, by any chance your “voluntary warranty” got voided, by European law, you should still have the 2 year “compulsory warranty” as it is described in the Directive and which is the topic of this article.
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But I would like to ask what the statutory warranty and the compulsory warranty are? Also, by unlocking the bootloader am I voiding the voluntary warranty or the statutory warranty?
Thanks,
DarkEddy

DarkyHero said:
Thanks, but I'm a bit confused over one thing. In the link provided (http://matija.suklje.name/rooting-and-flashing-your-device-does-not-void-the-warranty-in-eu) it states that:
But I would like to ask what the statutory warranty and the compulsory warranty are? Also, by unlocking the bootloader am I voiding the voluntary warranty or the statutory warranty?
Thanks,
DarkEddy
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Your UK/EU statutory warranty also known as general consumer rights and sales of goods act etc is king.
Theres not a single retailer that doesn't offer their own warranty but in my opinion they are just diversion tactics because EU/UK law is in some cases much better.
Try not to confuse EU/UK consumer rights, they are essentially one and the same. If I'm not mistaken the UK has always been good at protecting its consumers!
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leonforthewin said:
Your UK/EU statutory warranty also known as general consumer rights and sales of goods act etc is king.
Theres not a single retailer that doesn't offer their own warranty but in my opinion they are just diversion tactics because EU/UK law is in some cases much better.
Try not to confuse EU/UK consumer rights, they are essentially one and the same. If I'm not mistaken the UK has always been good at protecting its consumers!
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Ok, thanks, so the statutory warranty is the general consumer rights, but can I ask what the compulsory warranty is?
Thank you so much for your help!

DarkyHero said:
Ok, thanks, so the statutory warranty is the general consumer rights, but can I ask what the compulsory warranty is?
Thank you so much for your help!
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Statutory rights are compulsory - same thing. If its not I think you are going into too much detail. Try not to go into it too much.
Stick with your UK/EU statutory rights, they act as your compulsory warranty! I hope that makes sense?
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DarkyHero said:
Thanks man, you are awesome! But should I take this up with the seller, i.e. Three UK, and not the repair centre?
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Yes, you need to take it up with your retailer.

I just lol'd when Reading their reason code.
Illegal software bootloader relocked
Wtf the fact that it boots with relocked bootloader means it's running official software
Unless they can prove that your illegal software caused the damage which they can't because its not running it anymore then they are obliged to treat it as stock
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leonforthewin said:
Statutory rights are compulsory - same thing. If its not I think you are going into too much detail. Try not to go into it too much.
Stick with your UK/EU statutory rights, they act as your compulsory warranty! I hope that makes sense?
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Ok, thanks! I'll see how it goes when the Three Complaints team call me back