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Hi all, I've been reading for ages on o2's xda iis or the blue angel and the probs all are having here in the uk but not once have I heard of or seen of anyone having this kind of trouble with the orange m2000. Are there any m2000 owners out there who would like to give some feedback on the issue and let us know if you too are swamped with problems. I personally would like this device to use, but really don't want to go out on a limb when the wind is already blowing. :mrgreen: As far as pda's and phones go, I'm not a whiz and certainly don't want to have to pay for something just to have to do a rom update, as well as take things off that shouldn't be there to start with...like the o2 rubbish I keep reading about. I'm thinking I'd be better off with a nokia 6630 or maybe the o2 xda ii i, but then, I have never been fond of nokias, and don't want to use a stylus all the time... the 2s would have been the answer (I think), or it is the only one that's really appealed to me in function and looks...so now I'm wondering what about an orange m2000, unlocked, using on o2...can you get manual settings to surf the net? any problems with the 2000?
I've got the M2000 and it has exactly the same problems as all the other Blue Angel's, it's just less popular (party cause Orange don't tell anyone they sell it).
I'm now waiting for Orange to send me a replacement because mine is fastly becoming unusable. It's fine most of the time (aside from the usual problems), but when it crashes, a soft reset doesn't work and I have to remove the SD and the SIM card for up to an hour before I get get it to work again.
I know other people with M2000's who don't have these problems so I've hopefully just got a dodgy phone.
Edited to add that while the M2000 doesn't look as pretty as the XDAIIs, Orange don't put on any of the O2 extra rubbish that O2 do which is good. And the phone can easily be unlocked so you can use it with anyone.
to be honest the only problems that i've ever had with my IIs were all down to the 02 active stuff. once i got rid of that and upgraded to the latest rom (think they all ship with this now anyway) it's been trouble free
I had and XDA IIs which I purchased only 2 weeks ago and it never worked properly. I never even got round to installing any useful software. Twice it hard reset itself while I was opening pictures to send as MMS’s. And I had to soft reset it at least once every day. I even removed the 02 active crap but it was still unstable. The other thing with the IIs is the screen. WHY CHANGE IT! My old one is great but the new one has an awful rancid look and you can’t see it at a slight angle, you have to look straight at it.
I’ve sent it back now and am going to try the IIi in the hope that the faster processor and bigger memory make the device more stable. I’m back to using my XDAII now which I have no trouble with at all, its just old and a bit broken.
m2000
Hi guys, thanks for the response...think I'm going to go with the nokia 6630 for the pic quality, real player, and 3g connection. Might check out the o2 xda ii i, but really wanted a keypad. However, I've got plenty of time to see if there are any bugs in both. have you guys checked out howardforums.com? there is lots of useful stuff on there too. Also, I'm wondering about the o2 magician or xda mini. they say o2 is not releasing them here but they are supposed to be pretty good. anyone know about those?
Well I have both ( and all other versions of XDA's as well.. as we have lots).
I personally prefer the Orange m2000, as we got a free memory card and none of that god awful O2 active built into the rom. Seriously.. that O2 active is such a negative thing to my users. (wake up O2 - the XDA2s / M2000 is geared towards business users with their own apps. they seriously do not need or want a damned instant install popup spam menu.
XDA 4 / M5000 / HTC Universal wont be availble till end September.. So its a case of waiting.. (mines on preorder )
The O2 Active stuff is V.V.Easy to remove so I wouldn't worry about that to much and just go for the device you like the look of the most and can get the best price on
just bought an orange spv c500 and im well impressed.. a little hard to operate at first because of the buttons.. been used to touch screen for so long ive forgoten what buttons are for but it does everything my XDAII can in a smaller package. still trying to sort out the gprs settings because its an oarange phone but apart from that..... o2 canstick the XDAIIs where the sun dont shine. :wink:
btw does anyone know the o2 gprs settings for and orange spv c500?
c500
Hey, why didn't you send me a pm? You're not gonna believe this. Was on ebay the other night and got a c500 myself. Figured why not give it a shot as I'm familiar with the spv, and also know a lot about the e200, but know nothing about the c500. A guy I work with has 2 e200's, 1 has a switchboard problem and the other, is working on a switchboard problem. I figured out the settings for the spv as well as the spv e200.. Have you ever heard of Modaco.com? go there... look for gprs settings repository or something like that. Loads of settings are there...but the catch is, you have to mess around with them and tweak them to make them work, but it can be done. took me 3 weeks one time of thinking, and pulling my hair out...but eventually was accomplished. This guy that has 2, one is on orange and the other is on o2. The c500 might be different, but if you are willing to work on it with me...so am I. I'll have to send the phone to HTC first to get it fixed as it has a cracked screen (lcd) and outer, but apart from that it's perfect. This is strange...but cool. I think....
I heard that Siemens SX66 sold by Cingluar has built-in camera but it is covered by the case. Is that true or not?
Please if you know, advice me. I am willing to open my Siemens SX66 and make small hole for the camera.
Sounds like BS to me. If they got a custom case from HTC that covers that area, you can be damned sure they can get the cameras custom ripped out .
want your answer? load the 1.40 rom and use the camera apps, it locks up the device on my SX66
Sherko
I have internal memos that show there is a secret camera inside the case of the Cingular SX66. It is squeezed in right next to the iraqi weapons of mass destruction!
Joe_PDA said:
Sherko
I have internal memos that show there is a secret camera inside the case of the Cingular SX66. It is squeezed in right next to the iraqi weapons of mass destruction!
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Hahahahahahahahaah =))))))))
Very good one, i really liked this one =)))))))
Hope Bush does not have an aide that surfs, next thing you know we will have a war in asia
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want your answer? load the 1.40 rom and use the camera apps, it locks up the device on my SX66
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wstahlhut,
i upgraded my sx66 to 1.40 and 1.12 radio without touching the ExtRom and 1 problem, my up/down scroll doesnt work. care to help?
Holy cow!!! hes right there is a lens type thingy
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wstahlhut said:
want your answer? load the 1.40 rom and use the camera apps, it locks up the device on my SX66
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wstahlhut,
i upgraded my sx66 to 1.40 and 1.12 radio without touching the ExtRom and 1 problem, my up/down scroll doesnt work. care to help?
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I dumped the 1.40 rom do to oddness like that, went back to the 1.10 radio and the stock CE rom, and my custom Exted...
Hidden camera??!!!
It just would not make good money sense for any of the cell carriers to leave the camera attached to the motherboard and cover them up with a fully covered back shell. I would assumed that maybe the carriers could order their very own Blue Angel hardware from HTC without the some of the bells and whistles for their custom branding, UNLESS.....HTC did make them all of the BA hardware one set way and left it up to the carriers to use all or some of the functions. Some of the U.S.A. cell carriers were already worried about marketing a high dollar device to corperate consumers. In order to scale down the high price, they shaved off the wifi or the bluetooth. But their main concern for leaving out the camera was a matter of the big corperate buyers who work for strict employers with the "No camera" and (camera phone) policy. Which is why I'm glad I got a MDA III from overseas. ..... Who knows? :wink: it was probably cheaper to mold a new different back shell than to pay someone to remove the camera. To all the ones who might have a camera, I hope you get them working Good luck with "hidden surprise inside".
if someone could activate the hardware we sx66 people would have a camera
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if someone could activate the hardware we sx66 people would have a camera
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On the WIKI there are the camera patches. But you won't know if there is a camera working until the lens is uncovered from the plastic backing.
There is also the possibiltiy of making some registy changes?? Where is MDAIIIuser ?? He would know. :?:
Looks Like I have been forced to make a comment here.
The issue is whether the device has a camera built in and if this is the case how can XDA-Developers get it to work.
First, I personally think that this will be a conceptual discussion for based on my own experience taking the BA apart which is a pain, I don’t think that many or even anybody is going to spend the time drilling a hole in the their BA in order to get a ****ty VGA camera to work. However as I don’t have that problem it is really not fair to make that statement.
So let’s brake this done into a few logical steps where I will try to add what I have learnt over the last 4 months.
1) Hardware
We have yet to see a picture of the back plate of an opened BA with camera and a SX66 without, so visually at least we don’t know what we are talking about.
For the fun of it let us say that there is camera inside.
That its been covered over with a different back casing in order to open up the market of the BA to Business users that don’t want to have (due to security) a phone with a built in camera and/or also don’t want to spend the extra money.
This I feel is a valid point and HTC choice would be to build a different device (different plate without a camera) or just ship the same plate with a camera or even leave certain components out of that plate (the lens) in the manufacturing process.
Here again, thinking positive, let’s say that it’s all there and they just covered it over with a different back case.
So we have the problem of the back casing and the maybe the fact that the camera button is missing on the left side of the device. (this you will have to tell me).
Anyway the solution to this is to obtain a display model of BA with camera, a task that I have tried in vain to achieve over the last 3 weeks as my BA is very badly dented.
Here again, thinking positive, let’s say we can get a display model and swap the casing out.
Thus you have the insides of the SX66 which has the hardware (well we think it does) and the casing that will support a camera.
2) Software
What do we know about rom’s ?
Many months ago there was a SX66 1.3x rom (device with out camera) that was repacked by Manich and put on XDA.
This was a rom dump and the camera application was not in that image.
This rom was loaded be owners of the BA with camera and it worked but did not have the camera application.
(well it was a buggy Rom and in the long run and most went back to the I-mate 1.31 Arabic)
However on Wiki we placed a post install cab that added the needed files for the camera and these worked for that 1.3x Rom that is.
So we know for a fact that it can be done and we have proved it based on the past.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Post
However Today we all taking about the 1.40 Type I Rom’s (I-mate or Qtec) which are built and shipped for the model PH20B (with camera).
I have loaded this rom and I find the camera application (Camera.exe) and many other files with camera in them under \windows
If you have loaded this rom and don’t find the Camera.exe then this must be due to the BaUpgradeUt.exe which checks to see what the Model number is and thus does not load all the files (in this case the Camera and in the case of the Harrier rom the WIFI).
This could also explain the file \Windows\Startup\Camera_Detect.exe which is found on my device (which has a camera) and may not be found on yours.
What we have also been able to work out is by using the MaUpgradeUt_noID we can bypass the Country Code error in the Type II roms, Seen in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=117645#117645
Files and instructions :
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_FAQ_Upgrade_Errors
However we have not been able to test if we can by pass the device ID check (the one that checks if your device has a camera and thus loads those files).
The new tool that I have been Beta testing gives me the possibility to change the header of the rom to read that it is a non camera version.
However we have no tools that lets us tell the device that it is in fact a PH20B (With camera) and not a PH20B1 (without).
This would be the reverse of getdevciedata and a really interesting tool.
(putdevicedata.exe > devicedata.txt or write the device data out of my devicedata.txt onto my device thus getting the device to think it is a different device vs getting the rom to think it was built for a different device).
So MAYBE, just maybe flashing a non camera BA with the device ID PH20B by using the MA_upgrade will result in the device thinking that it has a camera and wifi and we could then test if this components are around (as in part of the hardware) or not by using them since the software has been loaded (you can find the files in windows).
So How do we move forward from here?
1) I think we need to see the backplate of both devices
2) We need to flash a non camera device with the MA_upgrade as a PH20B and see if we can find the files
3) We need to play with the wifi and the camera of a device (that was PH20B1 but has been told its a PH20B) which has the back plate removed and the 1.40 as a rom on it
Given this we can prove or disprove the theory and who knows you might even find that wifi is around but the camera not.
Warning taking you device apart can revoke the warranty
Warning flashing your device has been know to turn it into a brick, do this at your own risk.
Hope that helps
hidden camera
Thank you MDAIIIuser for your deep insight on our BA's . You really did point out some pros and cons on the camera or no camera issue. I will have to ask around some of my celluar dealer buddies in my area to see if I can score you a dummy BA for you to use for shell parts. You are the BA guru!
shane, Nice of you but won't do me much good, I have a camera (PH20B) and your dummy won't or am I missing something?
So looks like you will have to score the dummy and answer the the question of the "meaning of life" which I always thought was 21 but seems to be "is there a camera or not and if so can XDA get it to work?"
Why don't you just install the .cab with the camera app on a siemens and check if you get a black image?
good idea! where can i get it? ill install it
good idea! where can i get it? ill install it
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Well you could.... oh forget it
I have Installed the camera and it says i have to reset the hardware.
Anyways nothing should be tried until we open the back of the phone. I tried but my tools only opened 2 screws. the others lost its corners from trying to hard.
Thank you all
I really appreciate your interaction and specially XDAiiiuser.
the humor part was healthy too
I will try to open my BA and check if there is a cam or take a pic and find out.
If anyone has discovered that there is a camera in siemens XS66, then, we might be able to use it. I understand it might be difficult..
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=10123372
I'm having some serious problems using my Jabra JX10 Headset and Tmo Dash (WM6 Rogers ROM).
Basically I consistently get insane amounts of static interference whenever I am using the headset on a call which pretty much makes the headset unusable. The only way to mitigate the static is to place the phone on the same side of my body as the headset (which is totally ridiculous), and often I usually end up holding the phone in my hand which totally negates the benefits of a wireless hands-free.
Any thoughts? I've had the same problem with my iPaq 6315 and the JX10, but with my RAZR v3 and JX10 I've never had any problems at all!
Theo
ijustwannadl said:
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I'm having some serious problems using my Jabra JX10 Headset and Tmo Dash (WM6 Rogers ROM).
Basically I consistently get insane amounts of static interference whenever I am using the headset on a call which pretty much makes the headset unusable. The only way to mitigate the static is to place the phone on the same side of my body as the headset (which is totally ridiculous), and often I usually end up holding the phone in my hand which totally negates the benefits of a wireless hands-free.
Any thoughts? I've had the same problem with my iPaq 6315 and the JX10, but with my RAZR v3 and JX10 I've never had any problems at all!
Theo
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ijustwannadl, you said your having problem with the JX-10, the Dash and WM6? Let me ask you this, I've got the same headset and the same blue tooth earpiece. Right now I'm using WM5 but with the Updated Rogers WM6 Radio and I'm not having any issues....
Did you u have WM5 before or did you buy the Dash with WM6 on it? Second, if you upgraded, which version of WM6 are you running? (Rogers/T Mobile's/HTC/Cooked) Please specify so we can see how to better help you
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I have been having the problems on my WM6 Dash, which was shipped to my from Tmobile with the
TMO WM6 1.22.531.6 ROM - I had the BT problems then along with a major memory leak so I downgraded to
TMO WM6 1.22.531.4 ROM - WM6 was still quite slow and the BT problem was still there so I just flashed to the
Rogers WM6 ROM - 1.30.631.2 - This is much faster and more stable than the Tmo ROM, but I'm still getting the static when on a bluetooth headset. This occurs whether or not the Wifi is activated on the phone.
My radio version is 4.1.13.47_02.98.90
So in short, I have always been using WM6 and always been having reception problems on the earpiece, although I did go through three different ROMs.
Is your phone or earpiece still new and under warranty? If so I'd have one or both of those swapped out bc the Dash and JX-10 work really well together under normal circumstances.
I haven't had any trouble with my units considering I'm still running WM5 plus the Rogers ROM which didn't mess up my bluetooth connection quality if I may add that
I had a JX-10 for a week and found it to be ridiculously quiet when I was in a semi-noisy area. I couldn't hear anything. I switched it for a Plantronics Discovery 665 and now I can't get my phone to ring normally when it's connected.
I blame the phone. And the loosely defined bluetooth standard. "Who designed this crap?"
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I had a JX-10 for a week and found it to be ridiculously quiet when I was in a semi-noisy area. I couldn't hear anything. I switched it for a Plantronics Discovery 665 and now I can't get my phone to ring normally when it's connected.
I blame the phone. And the loosely defined bluetooth standard. "Who designed this crap?"
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I think the phone's supposed to be Bluetooth 2.0 Compliant. Whats the bluetooth version on that earpiece?
hi
i more or less accidentally bought a blue angel (o2 xda III) without a camera a few weeks ago. i simply didnt check if it had one. since i don't necessarily need one it is not a big deal but still it would be nice to have one.
so i thought about buying a broken BA to get the camera and back-part of the case from it and put it in mine.
so the general questen, is that possible at all? is the connector whatever i need for the camera on the mainboard though the device actually was not planed to have one?
did someone already try that? because i did not find anything via the search
do i need any extra software, especially rom (i am using sun_dreams wm6 at the moment)?
and just btw can i also use let's say a vpa3? i am not sure since the front-case looks different but the back seems to be the same...
thx in advance
fleity
Every device as HTC Blue Angel (whether S66, xdaIIs, MDA IIIor pda2k) will carry same hardware...I wonder why the previous onwer tempered the BA for ya
anyway, U need a camera with its connection strip/cable. all u need to do is the lift off the plastic metal covered mount on the camera place. and search for a bare connector on motherboard. you can follow Blue Angel Wiki to dis-assemble ur BA and find the right spot to put the camera in.
and NO, u wont need any specific software/OS update too, coz every cooked rom here comes with every driver needed to make components on BA work.
Happy Hacking. just find a broken BA with a WORKING camera and transplant it to urs
thanks a lot for the answers
i will make some photos and post some links here as soon as i got a cheap broken BA and did "the operation"
Hi, my sister needs a low cost new phone and i've found, on eBay, some Qtek 9090 at 144€.
I know, it's a quite old device, but, viewing the tecnical sheet, it doesn't seems to be so bad... In fact, i'm asking you users, would you buy a Blue Angel today?
Of course i'd upgrade its ROM, it's dangerous?
Now i've got an HTC Diamond, is it really different beethween ARM and Xscale? Does it cause any compatibility issue?
And, important thing, is it strong? She's not very "soft" with phones
i would definetely buy one again, but not for 150eur! 30-60 maybe. on ebay, for 150 you'd get a touch pro or touch diamond in mint condition.
upgrading the rom is not dangerous. many people messed up their phones during upgrading, but there is always a pretty easy way to restore it. no mistake is fatal.
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i would definetely buy one again, but not for 150eur! 30-60 maybe. on ebay, for 150 you'd get a touch pro or touch diamond in mint condition.
upgrading the rom is not dangerous. many people messed up their phones during upgrading, but there is always a pretty easy way to restore it. no mistake is fatal.
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I couldn't find one for lower prices that meets my payments requests...
But this is not a problem
I've seen that flasing is a bit tricky compared to flashing the HTC Diamond, where you can just download the ROM and, if it's for Diamond, you can flash it without problem...
Here there are some IDs to edit before flashing, right?
no, i find the blueangel to be the easiest device to flash, no CID locking, no need for SPL changing... just bootloader, flashing, hard reset, and that is the same procedure for any device, just that the BA does not need to be unlocked before, just the extrom resize, which is not mandatory.
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no, i find the blueangel to be the easiest device to flash, no CID locking, no need for SPL changing... just bootloader, flashing, hard reset, and that is the same procedure for any device, just that the BA does not need to be unlocked before, just the extrom resize, which is not mandatory.
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Uh Really?
What about this? It's useless right now? :O
the RUU checks for deviceID and countryID and other IDs, but by using a custom RUU and putting the device into bootloader mode before connecting to the pc, all those id checks are bypassed.
on the wiki page in your link, the topic is finding the correct STOCK rom for your device. but nobody uses stock roms with wm2003se anymore. all the roms offered on this forum work for all blueangel models, no matter if it's a t-mo mda iii or spv m2000 or siemens sx66 or whatever. the only device, that cannot be flashed with blueangel roms, is the harrier, the cdma version of the phone. but since there is no cdma network in europe, there is no chance of getting a harrier, plus, you would recognize a harrier immediately, because it has no sim card slot, because on cdma, that is not needed.
btw the best thing about the blueangel is the community i have a Blueangel, a Universal and a Touch HD and while the other 2 devices' hardware is way superior, their respective sections here on the forum are by far not as good as the blueangel's.
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the RUU checks for deviceID and countryID and other IDs, but by using a custom RUU and putting the device into bootloader mode before connecting to the pc, all those id checks are bypassed.
on the wiki page in your link, the topic is finding the correct STOCK rom for your device. but nobody uses stock roms with wm2003se anymore. all the roms offered on this forum work for all blueangel models, no matter if it's a t-mo mda iii or spv m2000 or siemens sx66 or whatever. the only device, that cannot be flashed with blueangel roms, is the harrier, the cdma version of the phone. but since there is no cdma network in europe, there is no chance of getting a harrier, plus, you would recognize a harrier immediately, because it has no sim card slot, because on cdma, that is not needed.
btw the best thing about the blueangel is the community i have a Blueangel, a Universal and a Touch HD and while the other 2 devices' hardware is way superior, their respective sections here on the forum are by far not as good as the blueangel's.
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Great, so i just have to go to bootloader and flash? Just great
So it's even less dangerous than flashing other devices. Wow, i like it
I can't wait to play with it
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Hi, my sister needs a low cost new phone and i've found, on eBay, some Qtek 9090 at 144€.
I know, it's a quite old device, but, viewing the tecnical sheet, it doesn't seems to be so bad... In fact, i'm asking you users, would you buy a Blue Angel today?
Of course i'd upgrade its ROM, it's dangerous?
Now i've got an HTC Diamond, is it really different beethween ARM and Xscale? Does it cause any compatibility issue?
And, important thing, is it strong? She's not very "soft" with phones
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I'll sell you mine for 100e with postage fees included. Seriously, just need to fix this sim card bug, and if you want it, we can do business.
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I'll sell you mine for 100e with postage fees included. Seriously, just need to fix this sim card bug, and if you want it, we can do business.
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Sorry i've already bought it
The main problem was the payment method: for 150€ here on XDA i could get some newer devices, but i don't have paypal and postepay...
dont buy ba today
it's slow and old and big. just buy some newer, smaller and faster. i have one but i don't use it any more
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it's slow and old and big. just buy some newer, smaller and faster. i have one but i don't use it any more
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BA is slow ??? LOL not really it is faster as a Kaiser for example
I should get it today
The 400Mhz CPU is (by frequence) faster than my old Elfin (200Mhz) but it's an XScale based device, so i don't think i can directly compare them... What are the differences beethween XScale and ARM?
I have.. .. alot of devices. I like the blueangel. It's alot better than the newer phones, faster. I'd use a blueangel over any of the newer phones. Hermes was the last good phone put out by HTC.
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I have.. .. alot of devices. I like the blueangel. It's alot better than the newer phones, faster. I'd use a blueangel over any of the newer phones. Hermes was the last good phone put out by HTC.
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I got it today and it seems to be good, i like it...
Just a question: is normal that the slider is a bit "strong"? In fact, on mine, it doesn't open itself when i press it up (i am used to the new Nokia's sliders )
However i'd take it, but also my sister likes it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7948072#post7948072 I have some problems