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I heard that Siemens SX66 sold by Cingluar has built-in camera but it is covered by the case. Is that true or not?
Please if you know, advice me. I am willing to open my Siemens SX66 and make small hole for the camera.
Sounds like BS to me. If they got a custom case from HTC that covers that area, you can be damned sure they can get the cameras custom ripped out .
want your answer? load the 1.40 rom and use the camera apps, it locks up the device on my SX66
Sherko
I have internal memos that show there is a secret camera inside the case of the Cingular SX66. It is squeezed in right next to the iraqi weapons of mass destruction!
Joe_PDA said:
Sherko
I have internal memos that show there is a secret camera inside the case of the Cingular SX66. It is squeezed in right next to the iraqi weapons of mass destruction!
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Hahahahahahahahaah =))))))))
Very good one, i really liked this one =)))))))
Hope Bush does not have an aide that surfs, next thing you know we will have a war in asia
wstahlhut said:
want your answer? load the 1.40 rom and use the camera apps, it locks up the device on my SX66
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wstahlhut,
i upgraded my sx66 to 1.40 and 1.12 radio without touching the ExtRom and 1 problem, my up/down scroll doesnt work. care to help?
Holy cow!!! hes right there is a lens type thingy
lazzy said:
wstahlhut said:
want your answer? load the 1.40 rom and use the camera apps, it locks up the device on my SX66
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wstahlhut,
i upgraded my sx66 to 1.40 and 1.12 radio without touching the ExtRom and 1 problem, my up/down scroll doesnt work. care to help?
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I dumped the 1.40 rom do to oddness like that, went back to the 1.10 radio and the stock CE rom, and my custom Exted...
Hidden camera??!!!
It just would not make good money sense for any of the cell carriers to leave the camera attached to the motherboard and cover them up with a fully covered back shell. I would assumed that maybe the carriers could order their very own Blue Angel hardware from HTC without the some of the bells and whistles for their custom branding, UNLESS.....HTC did make them all of the BA hardware one set way and left it up to the carriers to use all or some of the functions. Some of the U.S.A. cell carriers were already worried about marketing a high dollar device to corperate consumers. In order to scale down the high price, they shaved off the wifi or the bluetooth. But their main concern for leaving out the camera was a matter of the big corperate buyers who work for strict employers with the "No camera" and (camera phone) policy. Which is why I'm glad I got a MDA III from overseas. ..... Who knows? :wink: it was probably cheaper to mold a new different back shell than to pay someone to remove the camera. To all the ones who might have a camera, I hope you get them working Good luck with "hidden surprise inside".
if someone could activate the hardware we sx66 people would have a camera
hidden suprise
vbguru613 said:
if someone could activate the hardware we sx66 people would have a camera
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On the WIKI there are the camera patches. But you won't know if there is a camera working until the lens is uncovered from the plastic backing.
There is also the possibiltiy of making some registy changes?? Where is MDAIIIuser ?? He would know. :?:
Looks Like I have been forced to make a comment here.
The issue is whether the device has a camera built in and if this is the case how can XDA-Developers get it to work.
First, I personally think that this will be a conceptual discussion for based on my own experience taking the BA apart which is a pain, I don’t think that many or even anybody is going to spend the time drilling a hole in the their BA in order to get a ****ty VGA camera to work. However as I don’t have that problem it is really not fair to make that statement.
So let’s brake this done into a few logical steps where I will try to add what I have learnt over the last 4 months.
1) Hardware
We have yet to see a picture of the back plate of an opened BA with camera and a SX66 without, so visually at least we don’t know what we are talking about.
For the fun of it let us say that there is camera inside.
That its been covered over with a different back casing in order to open up the market of the BA to Business users that don’t want to have (due to security) a phone with a built in camera and/or also don’t want to spend the extra money.
This I feel is a valid point and HTC choice would be to build a different device (different plate without a camera) or just ship the same plate with a camera or even leave certain components out of that plate (the lens) in the manufacturing process.
Here again, thinking positive, let’s say that it’s all there and they just covered it over with a different back case.
So we have the problem of the back casing and the maybe the fact that the camera button is missing on the left side of the device. (this you will have to tell me).
Anyway the solution to this is to obtain a display model of BA with camera, a task that I have tried in vain to achieve over the last 3 weeks as my BA is very badly dented.
Here again, thinking positive, let’s say we can get a display model and swap the casing out.
Thus you have the insides of the SX66 which has the hardware (well we think it does) and the casing that will support a camera.
2) Software
What do we know about rom’s ?
Many months ago there was a SX66 1.3x rom (device with out camera) that was repacked by Manich and put on XDA.
This was a rom dump and the camera application was not in that image.
This rom was loaded be owners of the BA with camera and it worked but did not have the camera application.
(well it was a buggy Rom and in the long run and most went back to the I-mate 1.31 Arabic)
However on Wiki we placed a post install cab that added the needed files for the camera and these worked for that 1.3x Rom that is.
So we know for a fact that it can be done and we have proved it based on the past.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Post
However Today we all taking about the 1.40 Type I Rom’s (I-mate or Qtec) which are built and shipped for the model PH20B (with camera).
I have loaded this rom and I find the camera application (Camera.exe) and many other files with camera in them under \windows
If you have loaded this rom and don’t find the Camera.exe then this must be due to the BaUpgradeUt.exe which checks to see what the Model number is and thus does not load all the files (in this case the Camera and in the case of the Harrier rom the WIFI).
This could also explain the file \Windows\Startup\Camera_Detect.exe which is found on my device (which has a camera) and may not be found on yours.
What we have also been able to work out is by using the MaUpgradeUt_noID we can bypass the Country Code error in the Type II roms, Seen in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=117645#117645
Files and instructions :
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_FAQ_Upgrade_Errors
However we have not been able to test if we can by pass the device ID check (the one that checks if your device has a camera and thus loads those files).
The new tool that I have been Beta testing gives me the possibility to change the header of the rom to read that it is a non camera version.
However we have no tools that lets us tell the device that it is in fact a PH20B (With camera) and not a PH20B1 (without).
This would be the reverse of getdevciedata and a really interesting tool.
(putdevicedata.exe > devicedata.txt or write the device data out of my devicedata.txt onto my device thus getting the device to think it is a different device vs getting the rom to think it was built for a different device).
So MAYBE, just maybe flashing a non camera BA with the device ID PH20B by using the MA_upgrade will result in the device thinking that it has a camera and wifi and we could then test if this components are around (as in part of the hardware) or not by using them since the software has been loaded (you can find the files in windows).
So How do we move forward from here?
1) I think we need to see the backplate of both devices
2) We need to flash a non camera device with the MA_upgrade as a PH20B and see if we can find the files
3) We need to play with the wifi and the camera of a device (that was PH20B1 but has been told its a PH20B) which has the back plate removed and the 1.40 as a rom on it
Given this we can prove or disprove the theory and who knows you might even find that wifi is around but the camera not.
Warning taking you device apart can revoke the warranty
Warning flashing your device has been know to turn it into a brick, do this at your own risk.
Hope that helps
hidden camera
Thank you MDAIIIuser for your deep insight on our BA's . You really did point out some pros and cons on the camera or no camera issue. I will have to ask around some of my celluar dealer buddies in my area to see if I can score you a dummy BA for you to use for shell parts. You are the BA guru!
shane, Nice of you but won't do me much good, I have a camera (PH20B) and your dummy won't or am I missing something?
So looks like you will have to score the dummy and answer the the question of the "meaning of life" which I always thought was 21 but seems to be "is there a camera or not and if so can XDA get it to work?"
Why don't you just install the .cab with the camera app on a siemens and check if you get a black image?
good idea! where can i get it? ill install it
good idea! where can i get it? ill install it
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Well you could.... oh forget it
I have Installed the camera and it says i have to reset the hardware.
Anyways nothing should be tried until we open the back of the phone. I tried but my tools only opened 2 screws. the others lost its corners from trying to hard.
Thank you all
I really appreciate your interaction and specially XDAiiiuser.
the humor part was healthy too
I will try to open my BA and check if there is a cam or take a pic and find out.
If anyone has discovered that there is a camera in siemens XS66, then, we might be able to use it. I understand it might be difficult..
Stupid me!!!
I didn't have my STYLUS with me, needed to do a soft-reset of my O2 Xda IIs and it wouldn't reset, I pushed it again and again with the only thing I could find (a paperclip) and it wouldn't reset.
THEN, I realized I was pushing the WRONG HOLE!!!! I was pushing the paperclip into the with Microhone hole!!!!
Now, the microphone is ruined. Whenever I use the phone, people can't hear me very well, it sounds garbled, or like I'm far away from the phone.
QUESTION: I found someone local who said they could fix the phone, but when they opened the device, they called to say they don't have a suitable replacement microphone.
Does anyone know EXACTLY what it is I need, and whether or not there is a local place I can BUY the microphone for these guys to install???? Oterwise I am going to have to wait weeks for them to order and have one shipped form China (that's what they said).
Thanks.
C'mon guys, someone MUST know where I can get my hands on a replacement microphone... does anyone have a damaged Blue Angel that I can strip the mic from???
Did you ever find a microphone?
I have a prblem with my microphone as well and have torn my BA apart and found the microphone. It would be an easy repair if I could just find a microphone.
How do you damage your mic?
I have one from a parts phone if you want it...
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I have a prblem with my microphone as well and have torn my BA apart and found the microphone. It would be an easy repair if I could just find a microphone.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9739028785
Richard
microphone
Did you ever find a replacement?
Mic
Yes, yodafreak is supplying me with one, he is one fine Jedi master!!! Can't wait till it gets here!! flufcat1 has some listed on ebay, but for $30 with shipping I was going to try and find another place to buy one, luckily for me yodafreak is sending me one.
Cingular Siemens SX66
ROM 1.42.00
Radio 1.15.00
ExtROM 1.42.126 (From SX66 Standardization)
Currently trying to add a camera that I got from a Verizion phone
http://pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~Siemens_SX-66-293~area~repairs-Parts+Only~item~XDA-INTMIC03.htm
I made the same mistake and am now awaiting a new microphone.
Did you get yours repaired? If so does it work well now?
Was the repair difficult?
ok everyone my first post here and I am not very familiar with the technincal stuff so please explain the fix properly (if their is any)
I have the o2 xda orbit and I never tried to modify it (change firmware, rom etc) or upgrade to WM6. Everything is original the way that it came. I have been using the orbit for about 6 months now and I had bought it off ebay.
Just yesterday I was chargin the orbit through the usb cable and I removed it since i had to go out and i just put it in my jeans pocket and after 5 min when i took it out there was a blank white screen. I took the battery out overnight and turned it on in the morning but still the same thing happens. The images below show exactly what shows up on my screen
I dont know what to do The minute i turn it on that is the only screen i see. No windows logo nothing. I removed the sim card and memory card. But still no luck. Can i change it through warranty eventhough I live in Canada? ANy help is appreciated!! I would be glad to give more information to you if I can.
If you know of any other forums where i can get better help, please let me know.
Switch it on but hold in the voice record button when you do it, do you get a Red/Green/Blue screen?
Maybe, it saw a ghost?
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Switch it on but hold in the voice record button when you do it, do you get a Red/Green/Blue screen?
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nope same blank white screen with a line in the middle.
Looks like a serious hardware death there. Did you buy it off an ebay shop or private? If from a shop you may be able to make a warranty claim, if not you'd have to post it to a repair centre and cross your fingers.
I am presuming here that you have tried a Hard Reset too, ie holding down both softkeys whilst resetting, then releasing the softkeys when you get a confirmation message.
if i press the reset button nothing happens. Orbit only responds to the power button. I bought it off ebay and hence the problem. Do you think it is only a screen malfunction and if i buy a replacement screen I should be able to solve the problem? is it easy to replace the screen by myself?
I DONT KNOW IF IT'S WORK for you BUT... I work in a big shop where a lot of clients buy differents models from Htc and, 2 months ago, somebody have the same problem (with 2 lines) WITH a Tytn. We have flashing his tytn with the original rom and the problem has gone !
Have you try to make a connection with you pc ??? If activsync work...(maybe the bootloader work and ... of course, you can't see if the htc is running because you screen d'ont work for the moment)... you have nothing to loose if you try... If activsync dont work, try to put a original signed rom from htc to the root directory of your microsdcard and follow this tread from the xda-wiki section : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Artemis_SD_Card_Flashing
REALLY, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL BUT I REALLY THINK THIS IS MADE BY SOMETHING WRONG (FOR ANY RAISON) IN YOUR ROOT DIRECTORY AND THE SCREEN CAN'T WORK NORMALLY... oF IT'S MEABY DUE TO A BAD CONTACT BEETWEEN YOU SCREEN AND THE "MOTHERBOARD" FROM THE PDA.
I HOPE THIS CAN HELP YOU.
derooseolivier said:
I DONT KNOW IF IT'S WORK for you BUT... I work in a big shop where a lot of clients buy differents models from Htc and, 2 months ago, somebody have the same problem (with 2 lines) WITH a Tytn. We have flashing his tytn with the original rom and the problem has gone !
Have you try to make a connection with you pc ??? If activsync work...(maybe the bootloader work and ... of course, you can't see if the htc is running because you screen d'ont work for the moment)... you have nothing to loose if you try... If activsync dont work, try to put a original signed rom from htc to the root directory of your microsdcard and follow this tread from the xda-wiki section : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Artemis_SD_Card_Flashing
REALLY, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL BUT I REALLY THINK THIS IS MADE BY SOMETHING WRONG (FOR ANY RAISON) IN YOUR ROOT DIRECTORY AND THE SCREEN CAN'T WORK NORMALLY... oF IT'S MEABY DUE TO A BAD CONTACT BEETWEEN YOU SCREEN AND THE "MOTHERBOARD" FROM THE PDA.
I HOPE THIS CAN HELP YOU.
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Could you give me step by step instructions on flashing the xda orbit rom. Out of frusturation i tried updating the orbit to WM6 and it successfuly updated according to message on my computer screen. So i have wm6 on my phone now but still the same problem.
I exctacted the file and put it in the root of my sd card and pressed the voice button and power button. Now how do i know that the ROM is being flashed? (since i just see the white screen). Even for the orbit should i just name the file on the microsd card as ARTEIMG.nbh ?
Thanks for all your help..but since i am new to this could you please explain teh process in more simpler terms?
Thanks again
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ok everyone my first post here and I am not very familiar with the technincal stuff so please explain the fix properly (if their is any)
I have the o2 xda orbit and I never tried to modify it (change firmware, rom etc) or upgrade to WM6. Everything is original the way that it came. I have been using the orbit for about 6 months now and I had bought it off ebay.
Just yesterday I was chargin the orbit through the usb cable and I removed it since i had to go out and i just put it in my jeans pocket and after 5 min when i took it out there was a blank white screen. I took the battery out overnight and turned it on in the morning but still the same thing happens. The images below show exactly what shows up on my screen
I dont know what to do The minute i turn it on that is the only screen i see. No windows logo nothing. I removed the sim card and memory card. But still no luck. Can i change it through warranty eventhough I live in Canada? ANy help is appreciated!! I would be glad to give more information to you if I can.
If you know of any other forums where i can get better help, please let me know.
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Sorry to tell you dear friend but your LCD is cracked, you can see it very clearly on the first picture, bottom right hand corner.
simple way to test if true is to connect to the pc and see if its recognised.
sorry to give you some bad news.
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Sorry to tell you dear friend but your LCD is cracked, you can see it very clearly on the first picture, bottom right hand corner.
simple way to test if true is to connect to the pc and see if its recognised.
sorry to give you some bad news.
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i dont mind the bad news. So if i just buy a replacement lcd from ebay would that work? How hard is it to replace LCD? Is it something that i can do by myself? What should i be buying THIS OR THIS. You guys know of any other cheap places where i can buy lcd screen? My computer does recognise the orbit once i connect it to the computer and activesync successfuly completes the operation. So i am guessin there is something wrong with the lcd screen.
If You Put Out Your Battery More Than 30 Second, It Make The Same ?? And In The Same Place???
NOW YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE... if is it the screen, you must change it...
But before, try to flash one more time your artemis with the original wm5 and, for sure, begin to make it supercid before (so you are sure you dont make a second problem !).
The client with a same problem (but not with the little trace at the right side from your screen) is happy now ! Play also a littlebit to make hardreset, softreset, usb bootloadermode ... And maybe you will see the color coming back!
I said one more time, i am not a professional for this problem but, "still trying" is never bad.... And for the screen... if you command him, you must waiting... so... try it first and if you have no more solution to try, send the pdaphone to htc... And if it's the screen, pay the replacement to htc and dont make it you self ( ebay?? are you sure 100 % the screen you buy its working???!!!??? ).
Yeah, if your computer recognises it, it'll just need a new screen.
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Yeah, if your computer recognises it, it'll just need a new screen.
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Ok, first bit, there is a section on this forum on linking where to buy a lcd with touch screen, and there is also a guy who has done this, you can read up on it, but it will take you some time and hours removing the covers ( trying not to damage them ) and also hours of painfull cleaning, dust is the worst thing you could ever imagine,as soon as that nice lcd comes out of the package you will have dust all over it and once you have the phone back together the smallest amount of dust trapped inside will drive you crazy.
The best action for you to do would be to send it off for repair, in the end you will have your phone fully working.
the price of the replacement LCD is around 80 Euro's + sending cost.
the price you have to look into for a repair could be double.
but look into this carefully and ask yourself these questions.
1. Have you ever done this before.
2. Do you have the right tools.
3. Do you have a lot of paitience.
4. Is it worth doing it yourself and causing more damage to the phone ?
if you cannot say yes to all of these points that the solution is to send it off to repair.
hope this helps.
Regards.
Neil Hardy
to dealsoutlook
i've just sent you a pm! please check
Does anyone know, where can it be send for repair to?
I have a bricked phone (even bootloader is not started).
And it was bought at eBay, so no any warranty or so.
This is XDA Orbit and I'm in Austria, where O2 has no representation.
Could you, please, advice the companies/possibilities to reapir it (chip change or direct reflashing - not via USB).
Alex
neilhhardy said:
Ok, first bit, there is a section on this forum on linking where to buy a lcd with touch screen, and there is also a guy who has done this, you can read up on it, but it will take you some time and hours removing the covers ( trying not to damage them ) and also hours of painfull cleaning, dust is the worst thing you could ever imagine,as soon as that nice lcd comes out of the package you will have dust all over it and once you have the phone back together the smallest amount of dust trapped inside will drive you crazy.
The best action for you to do would be to send it off for repair, in the end you will have your phone fully working.
the price of the replacement LCD is around 80 Euro's + sending cost.
the price you have to look into for a repair could be double.
but look into this carefully and ask yourself these questions.
1. Have you ever done this before.
2. Do you have the right tools.
3. Do you have a lot of paitience.
4. Is it worth doing it yourself and causing more damage to the phone ?
if you cannot say yes to all of these points that the solution is to send it off to repair.
hope this helps.
Regards.
Neil Hardy
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Thanks for letting me know..i though it was a pretty simple thing to do by myself. But now I definitely dont want to take that chance. I will shop around for some local cell repair shop. But since this phone is not available in canada I dont know where to go. Does anyone know of a repair shop in Toronto?
I would think the quickest turnaround would be throught HTCamerica. Its located in Houston Tx...
http://www.america.htc.com/support/service-repairs.html
thats just my two cents, turnaround time is like 5 to 7 days after receipt... if they service your phone, they do p3300, you would have to call to find out
Hey Buddy
dealsoutlook said:
i dont mind the bad news. So if i just buy a replacement lcd from ebay would that work? How hard is it to replace LCD? Is it something that i can do by myself? What should i be buying THIS OR THIS. You guys know of any other cheap places where i can buy lcd screen? My computer does recognise the orbit once i connect it to the computer and activesync successfuly completes the operation. So i am guessin there is something wrong with the lcd screen.
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I can help u. just reply. I have gone thru such case. OK Post me and I will guide U
Cheers
This happened to mine too,and screen was not broken.Working internally but white 'screen of death' showing.Sent back to 02 but no mention of fault on return.I think rom suffers corruption since it was after x close, fix.Not sure though!
PROBLEM:I have an SX66 which has a broken screen. I dont want to spend a whole lot of money on it. (This is an experiment to see what improvement over my Wizard the BA is)
I also happen to have a Verizon XV6600 which no one seems to want? It seems to be a 0x4. The Siemens may be an Ox6??
I know before taking them apart that there is a Topopoly and a Sony screen and cant figure out when HTC used either or for what reason or if they just depend on which screens they had in stock when they made the units. Before I start taking the Mint CDMA Verizon apart: Does anyone know if the two screens (and presumably digitisers as well) are interchangeable please?
Sorry to ask hardware question on XDA (Where DO you ask these questions?)
They DO interchange although the instructions are only fairly useful: There is a relatively obvious screw which isn't mentioned AND it might have been worthwhile saying whether you CAN or CAN'T simply interchange the whole frontal assembly instead of taking the whole thing apart down to every screw and PCB just to get a new screen in.
help I have me problems with the camera of the elf!
Don't work me anymore! must I replace her it, would someone know me to say where to find her it?
And possible to replace the camera with one who has more pixelses? If him where I find her it?
excused to my English not and my fort…. Thanks to all beforetime!
What is the problem first of all?
And no, you can't put in a higher res camera.
ebay may have a replacement part.
the main problem and that the camera does not work me, and I have tried to inform to me in a center of assistance in my city (Trieste - Italy) and they have answered to me that the camera of reciprocation does not have to us and very difficult to reperire. And so me meeting without camera and this gives much annoyance to me being that drawn my Elf with much cure.
and on ebay they aren't successful to find it and for this I wondered if by chance it were possible to mount a camera of an other compatible model HTC with l Elf.?
Was it the HTC service centre that said the camera is broken? Did they mention if it was the detachable camera board, or something more?
All I can really suggest is backup, hard reset, does it work?
If not, well, then I would suggest maybe opening your device and checking how the camera board is seating into the mainboard. If it is all fine, you may need to find a new one. Either a new phone, or a new camera board from a dead elf.