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O2 xdaIII v. T-Mob MDAIII

Hi all
I've been using a pda for the past four years, currently use HP IPAQ 5550 with bluetooth and wifi etc. Separately I've got a Orange 3G phone. I am tempted to go for the Blue Angel with the keyboard, sold in the UK on O2 and T-Mobile, so that I've got a connected device, without having to apir the phone with the pda.
I understand the devices are the same, so is O2 any better than T-Mobile in terms of mobile data, gprs, etc? Or in terms of support? Restrictionjs re internet, off- walled garden browsing? Or in terms of upgrading to WM2005? I know that T-Mobile will eventually offer affordable data bunddles under the web'n'walk concept (in september), which may attract me to TMob.
Also, does any of the network prevent you from downloading additional softwares, such as avantgo, pocket informant, etc? I read that the sim lock -on orange pda devices?- prevented downloads of softwares by so-called non-approved third parties.
Is there anything I should know before choosing one or the other networks?
Thanks for your help.

there isnt much difference within the different providers of a blue angel. they are the same apart from there networks minor tweeks, software etc. the o2 rom is****, i not sure about the orange or t-mobile one tho....

Go with whoever is cheapest
Just buy whoever is cheapest overall for you. Coverage across the UK is roughly the same (ie whoever you get it will work everywhere *but* your house ) and the phones are the same too. T-Mobile doesn't install a lot of crap, but I highly recommend upgrading the ROM anyway (although it takes a while to get your head around it, if you're as retarded as me). If it goes to hell you can put the old ROM back again.
I *have* read bad things about O2 on these boards; I got hit with the noise problem (have a search for it), but after my 7 days courier return (still in my 28 days store return). I phoned them up, told them what was wrong and that the nearest T-Mobile store was 50 miles away, and they dispatched a courier anyway. O2 told the guy who had the same problem as me that he dropped it and charged him 150+ quid to get it fixed. That's a load of rubbish, and I bet they know it too.
All mobile phone operators are greedy, but only some of them are charlatans as well.
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like). Last I saw, O2 and Orange wanted 250 per handset.
Personally, I prefer Orange because at least you can talk to a real human being easily. T-Mobile make it difficult, but I'd rather save £170
HTH
Chris

Going to get the O2 XDA 2i tomorrow morning at O2 shop....hopefully can get it at £60 with £35 12 months contract. The cheapest I saw on internet is £69.90 with £35 12 months contract.
Will anyone of you feeling regret after you bought the XDA 2i?

The XDA IIi appears to be a better specced machine all round; with less chance of a keyboard to get loose...
If I'd known of that deal (I bought my phone online, but the O2 store didn't work and the other dealers like Carphone Warehouse didn't stock it), I would have gone with that
Chris

Thanks
Lewisham and Joey
Thanks a lot.
Is there an application lock on any of these devices? I guess all of them are sim-locked anyway...
Cheers

The SIM lock can be removed with an application on these forums, so that also answers no to app lock
Chris

Re: Go with whoever is cheapest
Lewisham said:
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like). Last I saw, O2 and Orange wanted 250 per handset.
HTH
Chris
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Hi, been lurking for some time now and about to buy one of these units.... quick question though - how long did you have to wait before you where allowed to drop your contract down ?
Cheers
T

Ok...so which one again ?
So let's say...an enterprising individual happened to acquire both an
Orange SPV M2000
AND AN
O2 XDA IIs
both in identical condition ( New ), which one would you recommend this individual keep, and which one should he sell. An inquiring individual would like to know.
Marcelo

It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris

Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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Lewisham - did you see my question above.... I'm wondering if know of a get out clause that dont - ie take a 18mth high contract and your allowed to move down 6mths later ...
Cheers
Terran

No, you can't do that. Your contract is fixed length. All you can change is the price plan you pay.
At least, I don't think you can. I might well ask them tomorrow.
Chris

Posing the question differently....
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".

Posing the question differently....
Lewisham said:
It's the same phone.
Whoever is cheapest.
If both cheapest; Orange has better customer service.
Chris
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I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".

OK cheers.... I thought that was the case, just wondered cos of what you posted before....
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like).
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Terran

ccsnet said:
OK cheers.... I thought that was the case, just wondered cos of what you posted before....
T-Mobile will also give you the MDA III for 80 quid if you sign up for 18 months at 30 quid a month (you can drop the price plan down afterwards if you like).
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Yeah, you can drop to say a 15 quid a month price plan, but AFAIK, the length cannot be changed, because of the way they calculate the subsidy of the phone. But I will try tomorrow.
I was speaking from the stand point that I ALREADY have both of them, new, and I can only keep both. They're NOT under contract. Which in people's opinion makes the better "keeper".
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Well they are the same phone aren't they? It's like saying I have a Sony Ericsson P900 from Orange, and a Sony Ericsson P900 from O2. Which do I keep? The one you haven't beat up the most? The one that looks prettiest after they put the operator badge on it?
You tell me
Chris

Lewisham said:
Well they are the same phone aren't they? It's like saying I have a Sony Ericsson P900 from Orange, and a Sony Ericsson P900 from O2. Which do I keep? The one you haven't beat up the most? The one that looks prettiest after they put the operator badge on it?
You tell me
Chris
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Not really, but I hear what you're saying. I wasn't thinking of "stylistics". Apparently their construction isn't all the same, the quality control in building them apparently hasn't been the same, and the software packages built-in, certainly aren't the same. I was talking about all those in the process of deciding. Not just because one is black and other is bronze-ish silver.

The build construction is the same; the hardware is identical, all that changes is the software preloaded.
But I would highly recommend installing 1.40, so the software is going to become whatever ROM you put on it, so it really does end up coming down to the hardware, and all that changes is the aesthetics.
Keep them both, and run them for a little bit. See if either develops the whistling screen.
Chris

Hi All, New member and new to PDA's....
I have just order my T-Mobile MDA III on an 18mth contract with 100 txt for £33/mth - 1/2 price line rental for 6mths?? They said that if I do not change tariff or upgrade, the 1/2 price line would be for life! after 18mths is complete.
They are out of stock at the minute, so will be waiting with bated breath!

Its official, 02 charge for GPRS usage.

I just got a ****ing huge bill for GPRS usage. According to 02, I have used 33986kb on GPRS last month. This has cost be £80 extra on the bill.
According to a few posts I read last month on this forum (which is complete bul****) 02 do not charge for GPRS.
Someone claimed to be working for 02 and said 02 does not charge, I mean, what the **** was that all about.
Anyone else in the same situation right now? I am already broke, this is gonna get me into serious debt now.
I mean.. WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!

80 GBP and you cry?
c'mon, you've gotta be kidding me. If thats your problem, lol
I just got a bill for 1600 euros and I couldnt care less
life's a *****, deal with it

i work for my money you ignorant prat!

Put your money where your mouth is and take that "paypal" button off of your website..
My 2 cents (the only ones you're ever gonna get)

They haven't charged for GPRS usage so far, but it's not exactly surprising that they'd make an exception for someone who uses such a high amount of data. Obviously if you're sensible and don't go too far over your allowance it's not going to be charged, but if you flaunt the system you're going to raise some flags.
The bottom line is if you aren't prepared to pay for your GPRS usage, then don't use it. If you do use it and you don't get charged it makes a nice bonus, but you can't expect something for free and then complain when it's not.

alitech said:
i work for my money you ignorant prat!
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haha, so do I
'serious debt'
80 GBP
lmfao
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frater said:
Put your money where your mouth is and take that "paypal" button off of your website..
My 2 cents (the only ones you're ever gonna get)
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ah yes and you have developed a website and spent countless hours on it too I guess?
I just think it is extremely funny someone can cry like a friggin baby over a 80 GBP bill
I am a student, I work weekends and have a limited budget yet I find time and money, which I spent out of my own pocket to help people. I dont want to get rich of it and I wont, since everyone has the same freeloading attitude like you do, but I dont want to spend truckloads on money either when the site is gonna attract more traffic
what did you do to help others btw?
lmao

If you think you can get something totally free in this world you must be from a different world... this is planet earth and we have something called Multi national companies who are greedy!
Come on... O2 giving GPRS for free... yes, they did have a promo, but you have to be responsible for your own actions... check it out with O2 first - phone them or check out their website.
If your money is worth so much to you should be responsible when you spend it.

w3rd up

£80 is over a weeks work to me as I have to work for free in a solicitors and study atop my normal job and would be crippling debt. It would take me a month to pay that off.
Anyway, as far as I was aware, we established on here that it was free, but if you go overboard 02 would clock on, and that they could choose to bill you for the lot if they want. So think yourself lucky they only charged you one months usage!
I only use about 2.5mb a month maximumand they haven't billed me yet. How did you use all that anyway? Your phone has WiFi, and in any town you're never more than 20 meters away from an unlocked network!

well i have heard of one guy getting charged for gprs but he was streaming radio and video. i think he got hit hard £300+
im on o2 and it has been a relief so far (touch wood) that i haven't been charged.
i would prefer for o2 to charge but at a fair rate, or even offer a package where for x amount you get y.

Let me get this right, you took the word of the people on here but you never checked with O2. You then proceeded to hammer your account because you thought you were getting something for nothing. It reminds me of a guy I saw in one of those "Eat all you can for a fiver" cafes, the fat bastard gorged himself like a pig at a trough and then said to his buddy "that ****ing food gave me indigestion". You have to pay the piper my friend.

Good luck to those who have not been charged (yet), but don't complain if you get a bill - if you use it you should pay for it!
I pay for my GPRS as an addition to my normal tarriff & it pains me a little to see some people getting it for free, but I suppose if I knew I could get it for free, I wouldn't be too quick to sign up to pay for it
O2 (UK) do offer a reasonable GPRS package - I pay £14.50 + VAT (=£17.04) for my O2 Data36 bolt-on to my monthly contract. It gives me 36Mb/month (more than enough for my needs) and extra data is £0.85 +VAT (=£1.00) per Mb. You'll find these tariffs under the business sections rather than the persoanl tariffs.
I know T-Mobile & Orange have similarly structured GPRS bolt-ons - prices & amounts of data vary etc, but the concept is the same.
I do think the providers are missing out by not offering a lower entry price e.g. £6 for 10Mb or similar.

I also use the same 02 bolt on package.
There is something strange in that i havent yet been charged for any over mb that I knew I had gone over And their computer is registering I am using it and logging the times , but it shows no data actually used.
sounds like a fault with their computers, but I am sure this will be fixed.

I made the mistake of using the internet on my old P800 in America. BIG phonebill.
TBH, as I said earlier, I puposely bought a phone with wifi so that I only only have to use GPRS as a last option. Seriously, ANYWHERE I have ever been, I have never had to walk more than 40 metres to get WiFi connection to the internet. Some other poor sod can pay for my usage

I was with O2 until July. I roam a lot and used the Internet a lot. I was never charged. Not even the minimum daily GPRS roaming charge listed on their website. I was lucky.
I think it may be down to your account provider. Even though the bill comes from O2, O2 has a number of account providers such as Carphone Warehouse or Tesco Mobile.
I originally signed up with BT Cellnet and my provider was Securicor Mobile.
I am not sure how account providers work but it is just a thought.

Hi
O2 were giving me free GPRS when it first went on line and it seems to still be free, though there was a period they were charging me and my bills were high, especailly for GPRS usage on my 3 and half month round the world tour when i roamed!
When we take a contract out for anything these days it is our repsonsibility to check that it suits us and if not, change. Occasionally O2 may not lead the providers with the best offers but like everything it swings in roundabouts and at the moment they seem to have good deals and popular.
Have to say that there XDA website support and updates are a bit thin.
I am with O2 and have been for 6 years without changing provider.
I was made an O2 'Select' customer which i believe they are no longer registering new customers as. This means that you are one of their top 200,000 users... did not think i would qualify.
They give me special offers like answering customer service calls 'IMMEDIATELY' and no queuing, free itemised billing, 60% discount off mobiles and accessories, new handsets before everyone else, and recently i swung a free XDA2i out of them that should have been £180.
From everyones comments above seems like our mate noddy with the £80 bill is the only one who can't manage his money! :lol:
drjrao

So erm...
how much data does msn messenger use then ?
:S
any idea how i could work out my costs on it :s ??

My Daft sister!
My dear sister uses T-Mobile. She decided that now she had broadband, she'd download Nortan Antivirus etc. She was so worried about connecting her laptop to the internet without this software, she decided that it would be more secure connecting to the internet via her GPRS enabled mobile phone to down load it! Anyway, £350 worth of GPRS later, the file still would not download all the way through. The phone account was locked out when it hit the £350 limit. T-mobile, once they'd stopped laughing were very sympathetic and agreed that she could repay them in installment over several month. She has incoming calls only and has had the GPRS disabled!

im very sorry for her, but that story is just hilarious

For those who wish to upgrade to XDA Orbit

Just thought I'd put a lil post here to help anyone who wants to upgrade with o2.
As my exec screen broke the other day and I am due an upgrade with o2 online, I decided to get the Artemis.
As I was on the online 25, 12 month contract, they offered me initially £99.99 for the phone. I asked to speak to their "specialist" department to barter for the phone
After some pointing out of facts (I like o2 and wouldnt like to have to change, I spent >£500 on phone bills last year, I would expect the phone to be free, other phone companies are offering similar phones for a lot less) I managed to work something out: £9.99 for the phone and aggree to switch to the 18 month contract with 150 minutes and 750 texts (£25/mo). The CoPilot software was confirmed to be supplied with the Orbit.
In the end, I am happy. Although I am spending an extra £150 with o2 for the 6 months, you could say I haven't got anywhere, but I like o2, and I like the Orbit!
Will post a review when it arrives (apparently before midweek)!

So I've been had then!!! Did exactly the same as you but I ended up with:
£99 for the phone
NO SAT NAV KIT (still in arguements with o2 as thought this was included!)
£15/month 18 month contract with 250 minutes - 150 texts
O2 going abroad: Spain - free for life of contract.
Total: £369 !!!

Hey it's not all that bad for £15/mo but a shame about the sat nav, IMO it completes the phone. They do still advertise it free, with what looks like no restriction on tarrif so go ahead and argue with them.
Good luck, keep us all informed!
BTW: £25 x 18 + £10 = £460

I managed to get for £24.50/pm 400 xross min and 100 texts , and the phone only cost £50 with free co pilot kit. Not bad hey.

t- mobile offer the best deal at the moment in the uk only down side is no wifi

agreed re t-mobile. as a self employed person they let you register for business use which means a dedicated helpline and manager - i have his personal email and he answers in minutes! i'm getting x network 900 mins, 1GB internet useage and international cheaper calls for £37.50 a month (32.50 for the 1st 3). considering i was getting 150 mins (orange/landline only) and 4MB of gprs with orange beforehand for £35, i am well pleased! plus the phone was free
si

wombat45 said:
So I've been had then!!! Did exactly the same as you but I ended up with:
£99 for the phone
NO SAT NAV KIT (still in arguements with o2 as thought this was included!)
£15/month 18 month contract with 250 minutes - 150 texts
O2 going abroad: Spain - free for life of contract.
Total: £369 !!!
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Finally got a call back from O2, only took ten calls by myself over 4 days to get someone who can actually make decisions to call me! After explaining to the girl, "NO, I was not trying to get a free bluetooth headset, I was simply expecting to recieve the sat nav kit with my orbit"...
She replied...... "Oh is that all, not a problem, i'll order you one now, be with you in 3-4 days. I thought you were trying to get a free bluetooth headset, but they are £22. Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding. Many thanks"
I was shocked it was so staight forward after all the hassle, but if the kit actually turns up, I will be happy!! I did get her to confirm over the phone that it was the holder, car plug adapter and memory card and she said yes it was. (Signed into My O2 and there are no new orders showing though???!!!)
Fingers crossed! If it does turn up then i'm well happy with the deal I got.

Received my orbit today!! Its all looking good however like many other people, I have not received my GPS software as is advertised, I will be calling o2 a bit later to see what they will do!

Pjtheman said:
Received my orbit today!! Its all looking good however like many other people, I have not received my GPS software as is advertised, I will be calling o2 a bit later to see what they will do!
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Unfortunately, after much hastle, I still am not able to receive my CoPilot software. Apparently, the free bundle is only available to new customers and to get this with the upgrade is £99.99. I have even argued that I specifically asked whether I would receive the software, but they have no record of me asking this.
What a ripoff.
My choice now is to either pay the £99.99 with a 1 month free line rental offer
or
Return the phone, cancel my contract, get my tenner back, pay £130 for the phone and software on a new contract
or
Go to tomtom and pay £89 for their satnav.
Anyone got an opinion on this?

Pjtheman said:
Unfortunately, after much hastle, I still am not able to receive my CoPilot software. Apparently, the free bundle is only available to new customers and to get this with the upgrade is £99.99. I have even argued that I specifically asked whether I would receive the software, but they have no record of me asking this.
What a ripoff.
My choice now is to either pay the £99.99 with a 1 month free line rental offer
or
Return the phone, cancel my contract, get my tenner back, pay £130 for the phone and software on a new contract
or
Go to tomtom and pay £89 for their satnav.
Anyone got an opinion on this?
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If you don't need the wifi I'd just move to T-Mobile, with the amount your spending on line rental they'd probably give you everything for free. Aswell as that their line rental + data packages are very attractive.
Once my O2 contract is up (Online 100 @ £25pm + 500txts all free for 10mths) in about 6 months time unless O2 come up with some decent data tariffs I will be moving to T-Mobile.

Well I've just managed to get the XDA Orbit with Sat Nav software for free with 500 minutes and 900 texts for £20 per month (12 month contract). Wouldn't stretch to a free bluetooth headset though. This was through retentions and took 4 calls, each time getting a little more offered. Just waiting for it to arrive now.

O2 Data tariff for Orbit
I just upgraded my contract (data only @£9.40 a month), they charged me £99 for the phone but I just carry on paying £9.40....I never use the data only sim because I have a company Orange sim and all my calls are free....
I can't work out how O2 make money from this...The phone on eBay is at least £350 and I have no intention of using the data sim card....12x £9.40 plus £99 = £211 over a year seems to me a far cheaper way to own an Orbit!

Well I must be one lucky Mofo, as I got my Orbit free of charge and am only on a £25 p/m contract for 12 months.
I was originally going to get a P990i for an upgrade price of £49.99. But after getting the phone I found out I could get it for free from my girlfriends Vodaphone contract so I returned my P990i and asked for the Orbit which they gave me for free and refunded my initial £49.99.
Only difference I can add is that I had not done an upgrade since I got an XDA II over two/three years ago so they seem to have given me more due to that fact?
Great phone and is even better as I am using my T-moible chip in it for the 1GB web n walk.

Co-Pilot Pack
My Orbit arrived with no Co-pilot. App only free if ordered on-line. The online system wouldn't work when I ordered so I did it by phone. I phoned up to query it and was given the brush off. I asked to speak to someone senior and I got the co-pilot 2 days later. The web-site is none to clear! But credit to O2: they sorted it.

I have upgraded today. 4 phone calls and this is what I got.
£32.50 per month for 12months.
800mins 1000 txt per month. 5mb data allowance. Orbit + Sat Nav for free.
I use my phone a lot so happy with the deal.

I upgraded yesterday from an Xda Mini S. When I rang O2 customer service to enquire about an upgrade they said £89.99.
I then walked to the O2 shop across the road from where I work & the manager originally said £40, but then he said that if I switched from O2 250 tariff (£35pm, 250 x-net mins, 100 texts) to O2 400+100 (£35pm, 400 x-net mins, 100 texts) I could have the handset for free.
Go figure...
(The Co-pilot software would have been £50 in-store but I didn't need it as I already had TT5 for my Mini S)
It definitely pays to be a bit cheeky & haggle with them!

Got mine out of O2 contract (I am with vodafone), £349 unlocked, my employer paid £100 towards a new phone and I stumped up the rest. Very happy with it, finally we have some convergence in a decent sized mobile unit.
PDA - MOBILE - GPS - EMAIL - MP3
No bad at all...

The offer I got from O2
Phone: 149.99
Tariff: Data 5 9.4pounds/month x12 =112.80
Trade in : -30 pounds
total: 149.99+112.80-30=232.79pounds only
I got a 12 month free contract with coolnewmobile phone and only take the SIM card for my Oribit!!!!!
It is the lowest price you can have Orbit from O2 shop!!!

XDA
I was with O2 previously, myself and the missus contract. Nearing the end of the year, I called asking for the code to take my business elsewhere.
I was given some options on the crappy phones which I rejected as I was currently using and O2 chip in my trusty old SPV C500 and wood not trade into another contract with a phone less then par with the SPV.
I was then given details and contact number for the redemptions team who I called and they said we can give you the phone minus the software of you go on a £50 tariff for 18 months.
I said thank you. I called every alternate days (4 times in total) and got through and they bettered the offer each time. Finally on the last day when I was on the phone, they said we can give you the phone and the software if you pay £100 for each of the lines on a £35/ month contract.
I rejected and requested the code and guess what happens.
In the end this is what happened
I got 2 XDA Orbits, 2 CoPilot software packages and the following contract. For £25 per month on a 12 Month contract (yes a 12 month contract) and get 500 minutes anytime any network and 500 text messages and the phones and software were ABSOLUTELY FREE and did not have to pay a dime at all

Pjtheman said:
Unfortunately, after much hastle, I still am not able to receive my CoPilot software. Apparently, the free bundle is only available to new customers and to get this with the upgrade is £99.99. I have even argued that I specifically asked whether I would receive the software, but they have no record of me asking this.
What a ripoff.
My choice now is to either pay the £99.99 with a 1 month free line rental offer
or
Return the phone, cancel my contract, get my tenner back, pay £130 for the phone and software on a new contract
or
Go to tomtom and pay £89 for their satnav.
Anyone got an opinion on this?
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Flash the orbit with the HTC ROM - comes complete with TomTom installed, all you got to do then is buy the maps - full western europe for 99 euro (bout£67)
or gimme a shout an i'll send you the TomTom install cab from the htc rom ;-)

Available UK online from Vodaphone

No longer coming soon...
http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-3090.html
However the web site pricing doesn't work when viewed using Google Chrome as the browser.
Now firing up the spreadsheet to working out the best deal. My t-mobile contract runs out next month
Brought my Tytn from Vodapone and found them helpful when I had hardware problems.

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No longer coming soon...
http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-3090.html
However the web site pricing doesn't work when viewed using Google Chrome as the browser.
Now firing up the spreadsheet to working out the best deal. My t-mobile contract runs out next month
Brought my Tytn from Vodapone and found them helpful when I had hardware problems.
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Anyone without a "business" got one? Anyone had any problems with not owning a business?
Many thanks,
Dave

I got one last week without a business, and they didn't seem bothered at all.
I got mine for £30+vat a month over 18 months and when I've just looked at the website it showed 3 months free. I rang up and complained that I wasn't offered this option, and he politely pointed out that it was for 24 month contracts only. Then he said if I wanted to change to it I could and he dropped the rental to £25 pm
So I have extended the contract AND saved money, are you listening Tmobile?

Thanks stunno, I think I'm going to upgrade... (it's been so long since I got my Kaiser, I've getting nervious )
@lloydsparkes, please don't thread hijack, I've deleted your posts, use one of the many T-Mob threads.
Dave

yeh i got mine from vodafone a week ago and im not a business owner...
they didnt seem too bothered about it either. Got a 25ppm contract for 24 months! figured the phone looks great and hopefully should work well (which it is for now) i didn't mind keeping it for 2 years!

Just a quick update - I was just in the Vodafone branch in Durham who told me that they had an email this morning telling them that the stores weren't going to stock it so it's online/telesales only.

double posting...sorry

DaveShaw said:
Thanks stunno, I think I'm going to upgrade... (it's been so long since I got my Kaiser, I've getting nervious )
@lloydsparkes, please don't thread hijack, I've deleted your posts, use one of the many T-Mob threads.
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Go for it Dave, you know you want to!
And when you get it, as your first job can you find a way of getting rid of the branding, please?

I've signed up on Vodafone for £34 + VAT per month, 18 months, and get 900 mins + unlimited TXT + 500mb data.
What are you guy's getting for £25 per month? If I'm getting a raw deal I may ask them to change it for me, or I have until Monday to decide to send it back within the 'peace of mind' return period.

I'm getting 500 minutes, unlimited landline and internet (but the AUP will be 50MB) and 250 texts

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I'm selling my touch pro 2, unbranded & unlocked for £500 or best offer if any1 interested
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My condolences mate, hope you find something soonest.
I too am between contracts, the job market sucks in the UK at the moment, but there is always work about as long as one can be humble.
Good luck again.
Cheers,
Beasty

for 25 a month i get 600 mins unlimited texts and unlimited internet i.e 500mb...but i did pay 196 for the phone....now i jus checked the website and they are selling the same contract for 170...i feel a bit cheated! im gna call them tomorrow and ask for a small refund atleast! every little helps!
Elfangor

Apparently you have 7 days 'make your mind up time' on the phone ( although I thought the Distance Selling Regs was 14 days, but could be wrong) so if you are within that you have a good bargaining position

elfangor said:
for 25 a month i get 600 mins unlimited texts and unlimited internet i.e 500mb...but i did pay 196 for the phone....now i jus checked the website and they are selling the same contract for 170...i feel a bit cheated! im gna call them tomorrow and ask for a small refund atleast! every little helps!
Elfangor
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"Every little helps" you didn't buy it from Tesco's surely ?

well being a student in huge debt that is slowly rising means that whatever little i can save elsewhere will help to pay for more beers!

just got off the phone with Vodafone! they are going to credit my account! luv it when they actually listen to you....

Good News! I'm beginning to like Vodafone

Does anyone know if the Vodafone TP2's are SIM unlocked?
Dave

mines sim unlocked.. tried with a three sim and orange...both passed a call test

My one is unlocked too - was using it with T-mobile before my number was ported.
I'm also pleased with Vodafone so far, and there coverage seems better than T-mobile so far where I live in Aberdeen.

Contract tricked me

So I started my first contract yesterday with phones4u and the plan is rubbish £37.00 a month with 600 minutes and unlimited texts and 750mb. I filled in a sheet known as are you happy and now they are using that against me to say I was happy with the purchase and their are no exchanges or returns. So I was thinking do any of you know a possible excuse that would give me a exchange or return. The only think I have came up with is to tell the head office of phones 4 u that the o2 signal is no good in my area and I want to return the phone or change carriers the phone is a htc one x white. I did ask phones 4 u for help on this problem but they said they have no power over the contract and only the head office so I will ring them up and ask them can they knock the price down but I would rather return the phone. I need a good reason to return it or exchange it any ideas would be greatful I have used the phone and sim but this doesn't make any difference because when I was returning it today it was sealed and they were not bothered. When I went to phones 4 u yesterday I told the women when she asked me about my budget that I do not want a contract higher than £36 but the sales women failed to acknowledge that and still offred me a crap plan. I was going for a better deal but orange declined my credit check but o2 didn't. The sales women told me that yesterday she told me that after I sign there are no returns but I can't remember.
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Think ur stuck in that contract, it's down to yourself to read what your signing before you sign it.
As for saying you have no signal, they will probably check how frequently the phone has been used to make receive calls and texts to see if you really do have signal.
If you have been missold the contract though you may be able to get somewhere, but at the end of the day you would have been giving a chance to read the contract before signing away.
Sorry to say I think you may be stuck.
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aliHTCDHD said:
So I started my first contract yesterday with phones4u and the plan is rubbish £37.00 a month with 600 minutes and unlimited texts and 750mb. I filled in a sheet known as are you happy and now they are using that against me to say I was happy with the purchase and their are no exchanges or returns. So I was thinking do any of you know a possible excuse that would give me a exchange or return. The only think I have came up with is to tell the head office of phones 4 u that the o2 signal is no good in my area and I want to return the phone or change carriers the phone is a htc one x white. I did ask phones 4 u for help on this problem but they said they have no power over the contract and only the head office so I will ring them up and ask them can they knock the price down but I would rather return the phone. I need a good reason to return it or exchange it any ideas would be greatful I have used the phone and sim but this doesn't make any difference because when I was returning it today it was sealed and they were not bothered. When I went to phones 4 u yesterday I told the women when she asked me about my budget that I do not want a contract higher than £36 but the sales women failed to acknowledge that and still offred me a crap plan. I was going for a better deal but orange declined my credit check but o2 didn't. The sales women told me that yesterday she told me that after I sign there are no returns but I can't remember.
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As far as I understand it (somebody will correct me if i'm wrong!), in this country you have a 14 day cooling off period after signing up for a phone contract were you can cancel it without having to give a reason.
I got exactly the same deal as you on t-mobile through buymobilephones.net for £26 p/month so that deal is very poor.
I suggest you ring phones4U and tell them you would like to cancel the contract and quote this '14 day cooling off period.'

14 day cooling off is only for online or phone sales not shop. When you approach the store and sign there isn't much you can do.
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Yup you are stuck in the contract. I have only managed to get out of 1 contract but that was only because 3 killed the mast in my area and left me with no mobile signal for over 2 months. It took me another 4 months to get out of the contact ( and this was not easy ) but eventually after getting in touch with the comms regulation board they admitted that there was a loss of signal in my area (after they tested) and release me with a refund and no extra charges.
So if you do try to go down the route of no signal be warned they will test and check.

aliHTCDHD said:
So I started my first contract yesterday with phones4u and the plan is rubbish £37.00 a month with 600 minutes and unlimited texts and 750mb. I filled in a sheet known as are you happy and now they are using that against me to say I was happy with the purchase and their are no exchanges or returns. So I was thinking do any of you know a possible excuse that would give me a exchange or return. The only think I have came up with is to tell the head office of phones 4 u that the o2 signal is no good in my area and I want to return the phone or change carriers the phone is a htc one x white. I did ask phones 4 u for help on this problem but they said they have no power over the contract and only the head office so I will ring them up and ask them can they knock the price down but I would rather return the phone. I need a good reason to return it or exchange it any ideas would be greatful I have used the phone and sim but this doesn't make any difference because when I was returning it today it was sealed and they were not bothered. When I went to phones 4 u yesterday I told the women when she asked me about my budget that I do not want a contract higher than £36 but the sales women failed to acknowledge that and still offred me a crap plan. I was going for a better deal but orange declined my credit check but o2 didn't. The sales women told me that yesterday she told me that after I sign there are no returns but I can't remember.
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In what way did the contract trick you, as your thread title claims? You must have known what you were signing up to (and if you didn't, well...), and you apparently even told them you were happy with it.
Maybe you've changed your mind or seen a better deal and you're not happy now with paying £37/month, but that's a different matter.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but there are far too many people who rush into long term commitments (of all sorts) and then scream "it's not fair" or "I didn't know".

Even tho phones for you say they have a no returns policy you can 14 day it! I 14 dayed a note this year as the vodfone signal in my area was shocking. Phones for you cancled it there and then. If they feed you with some **** and bull explain to them that if the signal is not serficiant in your area they cannot provide you with a full serive. This info came from someone that i no at carphone warehouse who used to work for p4u
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O2 have a 14 day cooling period.
http://community.o2.co.uk/t5/Pay-Monthly/14-day-cooling-off-period/td-p/208924
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http://www.o2.co.uk/termsandconditions/mobile/our-latest-pay-monthly-mobile-agreement
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aliHTCDHD said:
So I started my first contract yesterday with phones4u and the plan is rubbish £37.00 a month with 600 minutes and unlimited texts and 750mb. I filled in a sheet known as are you happy and now they are using that against me to say I was happy with the purchase and their are no exchanges or returns. So I was thinking do any of you know a possible excuse that would give me a exchange or return. The only think I have came up with is to tell the head office of phones 4 u that the o2 signal is no good in my area and I want to return the phone or change carriers the phone is a htc one x white. I did ask phones 4 u for help on this problem but they said they have no power over the contract and only the head office so I will ring them up and ask them can they knock the price down but I would rather return the phone. I need a good reason to return it or exchange it any ideas would be greatful I have used the phone and sim but this doesn't make any difference because when I was returning it today it was sealed and they were not bothered. When I went to phones 4 u yesterday I told the women when she asked me about my budget that I do not want a contract higher than £36 but the sales women failed to acknowledge that and still offred me a crap plan. I was going for a better deal but orange declined my credit check but o2 didn't. The sales women told me that yesterday she told me that after I sign there are no returns but I can't remember.
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Coverage is your only viable excuse, or faulty handset, as trading stanards and citizen advice bearu will tell you,
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1st mistake: you went to phones4u
2nd mistake: you signed a crap contract
sorry if it sounds a bit harsh, but if you knew it was a crap contract why did you sign it? But I do want to help as I know how you feel as I've had a bad experience with them before and knowing what they're like they more than likely pushed and pressured you into signing that contract.
phones4u sales people in their store are dicks, all they do it want to make a sell and then never see you again. they don't want to hear about any issues you're having or help you out at all once they've made the sale.
they used to say contract phones could be returned within the 14 cooling off period provided by the network provider but they seemed to have changed their tune now. see link:
http://support.phones4u.co.uk/pe/action/km/viewelement?id=10100262&channelID=10&portalPageId=10256075
the best bet you have now is calling phones4u customer service line, they are a heck of a lot more helpful than the sale driven idiots in their stores:
you should be able to reach them on 0800 0725858 or 01782 673100
also a piece of advice, if you have spoken to customer service and they authorise the return make sure you get a reference number and then get to the store while the customer service lines are still open, otherwise they will make excuses like, no we don't take returns, can't find you case number on the system, well can't speak to customer service now as they are closed, you'll have to keep the phone (this happened to me)
o2 has a 14 day cooling off period which you can cancel and return the phone, but I am unsure of what the agreement is when you don't buy directly from them. But you can also call them for free from you o2 phone, on 202.
hope this helps you get this sorted, also if you feel that the people in store did not help you and pressured you into the contract, being unprofessional etc you should also make a complaint to the head office after this is all resolved and they may offer you some compensation.
btw, you will always likely to find a better deal online. and next time avoid phones4u like the plague, and always check if there is any cancellation policy. if not do not sign anything unless you are 100% sure its what you want and its the best deal.