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O2 Orbit - CoPilot or TomTom?

I am currently due a handset upgrade with O2.
They told me that I can have an O2 Orbit (HTC Artemis) for £159.99 without CoPilot, or £299.99 with CoPilot. I am assuming that "CoPilot" just includes maps of UK and Ireland (the lady I spoke to didn't seem to know a lot about the package).
Looking at the TomTom web site, it seems that I can get complete maps of Europe (and probably better software!) for £85.
It therefore seems like a no-brainer to me that I should get the handset without CoPilot from O2, and then buy a copy of TT6.
Am I missing something obvious?

Philip said:
I am currently due a handset upgrade with O2.
They told me that I can have an O2 Orbit (HTC Artemis) for £159.99 without CoPilot, or £299.99 with CoPilot. I am assuming that "CoPilot" just includes maps of UK and Ireland (the lady I spoke to didn't seem to know a lot about the package).
Looking at the TomTom web site, it seems that I can get complete maps of Europe (and probably better software!) for £85.
It therefore seems like a no-brainer to me that I should get the handset without CoPilot from O2, and then buy a copy of TT6.
Am I missing something obvious?
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Philip said:
I am currently due a handset upgrade with O2.
They told me that I can have an O2 Orbit (HTC Artemis) for £159.99 without CoPilot, or £299.99 with CoPilot. I am assuming that "CoPilot" just includes maps of UK and Ireland (the lady I spoke to didn't seem to know a lot about the package).
Looking at the TomTom web site, it seems that I can get complete maps of Europe (and probably better software!) for £85.
It therefore seems like a no-brainer to me that I should get the handset without CoPilot from O2, and then buy a copy of TT6.
Am I missing something obvious?
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No brainer, p.s. a friend of mine just went from Orange to O2 today in an O2 shop, his bill is normally about £50 a month and basic O2 package is £40 a month they gave him the Orbit with Co-Pilot for free.

You should get a free Orbit and the copilot pack from O2 if you are taking a £40 contract
O2 shops give you £30 for ANY old handset you care to hand in
You can then ebay your copilot for around £50 and buy TomTom
Hays

The O2 Co-Pilot Package includes full European Maps, a 256MB Mini-SD Card, Car Mount and Car Charger. It doesn't include a case
Co-Pilot costs about £85, a Micro SD Card will cost you £10ish (if you shop around, at least my 1GB did), a car mount will cost you £20 if you go for the basic one and a USB Car Charger will cost you £10.
I've got GPS kit and all of it's good quality but I purchased a brodit mount in the end because I all ready had the Brodit Brackets in my car. And I ended up going back to TomTom because I prefer the interface.

hays said:
You should get a free Orbit and the copilot pack from O2 if you are taking a £40 contract
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I am on a All Time 200 Pay UpFront tariff with O2 - I pay £149 for 12 months (which is about £12.50 per month) and get 200 anytime minutes per month included, so I have no desire to change tariffs, especially as I never use the full 200 minutes in a month.
I rang O2 back today, and this time I was quoted £149.99 without CoPilot and £199.99 with it - and they confirmed that the "with" prices includes a car mount. Only problem is that they have no CoPilots in stock (they do have the phone), so suggested that I need to go to an O2 shop.
I'll try that, but I strongly suspect that they will quote me a higher price, especially given that I do not want to change my tariff!

just so you know....
ive done this twice!
go into the o2 shop, as long as you are within 3 months i think you can cancel your current contract and open a new one and get the phone for free rather then pay the £100+ to upgrade. this requires a £40+ contract.
i got my alpine & universal this way at least a month and a half before my upgrade date.
It was the lady in the shop that told me this, she even printed the letter to post to o2 to cancel the current contract and gave me the uni right there and then. very helpful!
i only went into town to buy some jeans

i have tom tom installed but having issues with it stalling on the splash screen 9 times out of 10! the tom tom i have has european maps with the speed cameras POI. I got the Co Pilot kit free with my orbit and am considering ebaying it.
Question:
Does someone know if Co Pilot is more stable on the Artemis than TT6? If so, i'll go to that!
Also, if I do decide to do this, can i get the speed camera infor for co pilot?
Thanks!

Hi. I haven't used TT since I think it was called En Route, and on a Psion 5! But CoPilot works fine on an Orbit. I've had it (CoPilot 6, full Europe maps) on an XDA Exec, with a BT GPSlim236, running from a 2Gb Ultra SD, even though ALK recommend it installed to main memory, and it was excellent. The same prog runs fine on the Orbit, every bit as quickly, although I was quite worried about the possibility of the Micro SD card suffering corruption, as many members here have suffered. So far it has been perfect, no problems at all, except the built in receiver is a little slower to first fix, and I've seen it having a few problems for a few seconds sometimes finding exactly where it is. There is a socket for an external aerial, which I think would help, but it seems that getting one with the correct connector is very difficult. In the meantime, I've tried my BT 236 with it, and reception now is excellent. However, you may want to sell the CoPilot 6 fairly quickly on Ebay, because CoPilot 7 is due to be released very soon - it was announced a week ago, and the value of 6 may then go down a bit. Besides having the latest maps, 7 will also be WM6 compatible, and it definitely works on an Orbit, because the guys from ALK were demonstrating it on Orbits.. Speed camera updates and lots of other POIs can be downloaded from
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com
on payment of a subscription fee. Hope this helps..
Actually, that's a thought for everyone here hoping for an upgrade to WM6 - will all the software, including TT, still be functional?

co-pilot
hi all
CO PILOT IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH, TRUST ME, TOMTOM ALL THE WAY

mazta said:
hi all
CO PILOT IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH, TRUST ME, TOMTOM ALL THE WAY
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but are you not getting the annoying stalling at the splash screen issue? if not, have you got round it somehow?

I never have any issue with TomTom splash screens. Must be the version you are using

Upgrades
I always seem to get a deal every year on a different phone..
Always get the phone number for the customer loyalty department.
Shop around for a good deal from other providers then phone the loyalty department and tell them that their competitors have offered you a better deal to switch networks. (I always make the competitors deal sound a little better than it is) Ask the customer loyalty department if they can better the offer if you stay with them. You can usually get a cashback offer that blows away anything you can get over the counter.
Last time I switched providers I kept my old handset, got a brand new razor phone (which I ebayed) and got half price line rental for 9 months. I don't use that many minutes so the money I got from ebaying the phone payed for my bill for the whole year!

i have 1 on these co-pilot pack with my orbit but i do not need it so i am willing to sell it to some one on this site for £60 in p&p
the guy i got it off also provided a cd with all the tom tom software and maps
pm me or cantact me at [email protected]
collection wellcome

i just put the co-pilot on ebay check out the link below
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....MESE:IT&viewitem=&item=300085472090&rd=1&rd=1
Item number: 300085472090

copilot
I have been using copilot for real.
I have no experience of TomTom.
Copilot seems fine but slow to start up - otherwise it takes me very accurately to where I want to mine with very little problem.
I got my Orbit as a free upgrade and paid £50 for co-pilot Uk but it was UK only. They supply all European maps but the code that I enter only gets me UK.

tomtom6 works flawlessly on my xda orbit. have maps of western europe and have been using it in a motorhome

Definitely TomTom
You need to upgrade to version 6.02 for stability - you can torrent it or message me... really simple installation, just copy everything to your SD cars and run the install cab.
Works flawlessly, 100% stable, much better than it did on my old XDA Mini S.
I got Copilot with my Orbits (three for my company), tried it and hated it... you can't use it quickly with your finger in the car, unlike TomTom... TomTom's interface is much better. Copilot also takes ages to load. Sold my copilot software (3 copies) on ebay for £40 each!!!
If you need a car bracket, the O2 Copilot kit is just a standard multi-pda mount, you can get them for a fiver on ebay. If you get one with adjustabl;e feet at the bottom of it, you can supeglue the usb lead into position to give a permanent charging cradle!
I've also designed a custom menu interface for my TomTom to remove unneccessary buttons... you can do it free online at http://www.skux.net/tomtom/menubuilder2/index.php

I got Copilot because it was £40, versus £110 for TomTom. It's a fair price as it's about half a good. Mind you I haven't used it much, because it sucks more than getting lost in the first place. TomTom every time.

Got my upgrade XDA Orbit for free (£25 Anytime 200 & the 20Mb data Bolt-on for £10) - & co-pilot was £49.
I tend to agree though - it doesn't look good. Awkward to use and pretty non-intuitive (have been used to using my BMW system).
Can anyone answer as to how you just get the map displayed on co-pilot 6 without having to have a route entered? Would just like to know where I am some of the time, not necessarily to have fannied about entering a route and all...

Maps for Indian cities

Hi! I have the HTC P3300 and wanted to know if maps for Indian cities were available and where I could get them?
Please also let me know if anyone of you is using these maps.
thanks

I've used Mapking with success in China and Korea. I know it at least has a Delhi map available.

MapKing 2007 is what I have and it supplies GPS maps covering Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Kolkata.

I purchased Destinator PN with Maps of Chennai, Mumbai, New Delhi, Hyderabad, Kolkotta, Bangalore and Pune for approx Rs 5,000 (US$ 120) from SatNav Technologies in Hyderabad. I've used this on my Hermes with an external Bluetooth GPS and it all works great. I later upgraded to Destinator 6 which is even better.
http://www.satguide.in
When I checked this website just now, the description says that maps of only Delhi, Mumbai and Hyderabad come with the Destinator software at Rs 5,000 and the rest need to be purchased at Rs 990 (US$ 22) each. If you already use Destinator (which btw is really good), you can just buy the maps you need on the site.
Support from the company was also prompt and good when I mailed them.

SayMobile said:
I purchased Destinator PN with Maps of Chennai, Mumbai, New Delhi, Hyderabad, Kolkotta, Bangalore and Pune for approx Rs 5,000 (US$ 120) from SatNav Technologies in Hyderabad. I've used this on my Hermes with an external Bluetooth GPS and it all works great. I later upgraded to Destinator 6 which is even better.
http://www.satguide.in
When I checked this website just now, the description says that maps of only Delhi, Mumbai and Hyderabad come with the Destinator software at Rs 5,000 and the rest need to be purchased at Rs 990 (US$ 22) each. If you already use Destinator (which btw is really good), you can just buy the maps you need on the site.
Support from the company was also prompt and good when I mailed them.
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can you share your maps?

How does Destinator PN comapre to MapKing product ... anyone?

EazyVG said:
How does Destinator PN comapre to MapKing product ... anyone?
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head over to http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/technical-stuff/12970-using-gps-receiver-car-17.html
Comparsion is not very conclusive..as the accuracy varies from city to city.

SayMobile said:
I purchased Destinator PN with Maps of Chennai, Mumbai, New Delhi, Hyderabad, Kolkotta, Bangalore and Pune for approx Rs 5,000 (US$ 120) from SatNav Technologies in Hyderabad. I've used this on my Hermes with an external Bluetooth GPS and it all works great. I later upgraded to Destinator 6 which is even better.
http://www.satguide.in
When I checked this website just now, the description says that maps of only Delhi, Mumbai and Hyderabad come with the Destinator software at Rs 5,000 and the rest need to be purchased at Rs 990 (US$ 22) each. If you already use Destinator (which btw is really good), you can just buy the maps you need on the site.
Support from the company was also prompt and good when I mailed them.
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can you please share the software and maps?

SayMobile said:
I purchased Destinator PN with Maps of Chennai, Mumbai, New Delhi, Hyderabad, Kolkotta, Bangalore and Pune for approx Rs 5,000 (US$ 120) from SatNav Technologies in Hyderabad. I've used this on my Hermes with an external Bluetooth GPS and it all works great. I later upgraded to Destinator 6 which is even better.
http://www.satguide.in
When I checked this website just now, the description says that maps of only Delhi, Mumbai and Hyderabad come with the Destinator software at Rs 5,000 and the rest need to be purchased at Rs 990 (US$ 22) each. If you already use Destinator (which btw is really good), you can just buy the maps you need on the site.
Support from the company was also prompt and good when I mailed them.
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Hi, Can you please get in touch with me. Please PM me.

Free downloadable maps of Indian cities
Get free downloadable detailed maps of major cities in India at
http://uselessdiaries.blogspot.com/2008/03/download-free-bangalore-map.html
includes GPS maps for bangalore/chennai/hyderabad/kolkata/pune/trivandrum/mumbai maps

michael321in said:
Get free downloadable detailed maps of major cities in India at
http://uselessdiaries.blogspot.com/2008/03/download-free-bangalore-map.html
includes GPS maps for bangalore/chennai/hyderabad/kolkata/pune/trivandrum/mumbai maps
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Which software do I use along with these maps that can be downloaded from the link that you have provided, can you please help ??

Would you recommend me to buy a Desire in London

Hello, I live in Moscow, but going to visit London in a couple of days, do you think it would be better to but a Desire in London? The minimal price in Russia for it is 730 dollars...
So by buying it in England I just loose guarantee and that's it?
and where it is possible to buy a sim-free phone?
thx

You'd have to work out the exchange rate. Also, make sure that the phone can handle Russian characters. When I try and view Thai text on my UK phone I just get squares - you need to ensure you won't have this problem (it's in the rom, presumably, so it can probably be fixed but that in itself will invalidate the warranty).
Also, check that it'll work on Russian frequencies/networks.

DarkVasyaK said:
Hello, I live in Moscow, but going to visit London in a couple of days, do you think it would be better to but a Desire in London? The minimal price in Russia for it is 730 dollars...
So by buying it in England I just loose guarantee and that's it?
and where it is possible to buy a sim-free phone?
thx
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some networks are selling it for 430ukp sim free, so its best to do the price conversion and make sure its worth it to you, anyway, a search on Tottenham Court Road would be the best to get personal electronics if in london as the shops there should be cheaper!

I'd recommend you to buy the desire in Budapest.
Just joking lol, i live in London and it is the best phone i've ever had
I'm on TMOBILE with Web'N'Walk Max, 900 mins, and Unl texts for £25/month

New Marketplace Regions

Starting today developers can publish their apps to consumers in 19 new countries, in addition to the 16 that Marketplace already supports. The 19 new markets include Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Greece, Hungary, India, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, South Africa, South Korea, Sweden and Taiwan.
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Unforunately it seams you have to do this manually, so if you have an app out there go to the AppHub -> Edit catalog details and submit it to the 19 new markets.
You can also submit apps from these new 7 countries as well;
Chile, Colombia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Israel, South Africa and South Korea.
Can't wait to switch to my Norwegian Xbox/Live account

If you change the Xbox account on your phone, you will lose all paid apps...
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If you change the Xbox account on your phone, you will lose all paid apps...
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Yeah I know, but I haven't been able to add my new Visa card to my US Live account and I'd rather use my Xbox account anyway.

Just giving a heads up. I had no idea. I kept my liveID the same, but switched my Xbox account, and "discovered" a loss of my many paid apps. sux.
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Ah only thought that happened when u changed your Live Id.
That does indeed suck.

So now you are able to use a swedish live ID and buy stuff from Marketplace? if so, im getting a panic attack because ive been waiting so long!

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So now you are able to use a swedish live ID and buy stuff from Marketplace? if so, im getting a panic attack because ive been waiting so long!
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Yeah, but dev's have to submit them to the new markets, so it's probably going to take some time before most apps make it. Hope they get the Xbox live games out there soon enough.
I've added my apps to the new markets, but they haven't shown up just yet.
edit: ahh crap seams games isn't going to be added untill late August because of a new rating system.
Game developers please wait just a little longer. The App Hub is adding functionality to support game ratings and allowing developers to upload the associated rating certificates. Please be ready to publish your games to new Mango Marketplace markets in late August.
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The best part is that we will have to wait late August to re-publish updates and new games to Germany and New Zealand too....
Way to go MS !!

Just a quick update, seams they've added Xbox Live games now, at least in Norway and Sweden, haven't check any others.
Things seams a little buggy, my htc hub vanished and I can't browse certain marketplace categories on the phone, but you can search for specific games.
The marketplace works fully on the desktop using Zune, bought a few Xbox Live games and other apps and it seams to be going ok.
edit: Forgot to mention that it only works when using the Mango beta, got an "marketplace not available in your region" when on Nodo.

If I buy a Tab S in the US and sent it to myself in Europe?

I am thinking about buying a Tab S in the US and having it sent to me in Europe because even with shipping it is significantly cheaper than buying here. (Nice little Samsung pricing scam: $399 in US and 399 euros here - a 35% difference!!!!) Is there likely to be a warranty problem OR, more importantly, activation or OS upgrade issues, IMEI or CSC problems? I know it can sometimes be a problem with activations on their phones if they are activated out-of-region.

arent most electronics more expensive in europe though? im thinking of buying from amazon too but only for non-LTE one.
the tab s is currently being sold in bahrain only the LTE version and as im a cheapskate i'll wait for the wifi versions in saudi

Warranty could be an issue as you would probably have to send it to the States for service. I purchased the Hong Kong version of the 7.7 and received what updates there were without any problems. Activation was not a problem either other than the opening screen being in Chinese.
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avenging said:
arent most electronics more expensive in europe though? im thinking of buying from amazon too but only for non-LTE one.
the tab s is currently being sold in bahrain only the LTE version and as im a cheapskate i'll wait for the wifi versions in saudi
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They seem more expensive here, but as I pointed out 399 in dollars and 399 in euros. It's like Samsung doesn't really want price parity. I should have said I want the wifi only, so I don't know if activation, IMEI and CSC matter.

I dont know the Greek rules.
But if I was to ship it to the Netherlands I would have to pay
Initial purchase (no sales tax)
Shipping
Import tax
Sales tax over purchase price and shipping (21%)
Import handeling fee for your shipper (UPS, Fedex??)
A quick calculation shows I finnaly would have to pay 415 euros. Hardly a bargain.

If you send as a personal item / used electronics / (ahem) warranty repair [emoji12], all those problems go away - at least here. The one thing you do not do is send in an unopened factory box so they do not think you just bought it.

I live in France, I bought my Tab S 10.5 LTE on an Italian website.
I called Samsung France. The warranty is European, not worldwide. No problem for me.
The tab cost 100€ less than in France.
With shipping fees, I paid 512€ instead of 600€ in France.

Cool. What's the Italian site?

www.hw1.it
They only have the LTE version in Italy, no wifi only.

The price of the tab S offered on the italian site, with 3g/4g, is the same at the wifi-only version everywhere else. So, I am thinking, why not buy the 3g/4g+wifi. I never have to use the data connection, but if I ever desparately need 3g/4g, I can drop a SIM card into it. Hmmm. not a bad idea at all.

I bought my Tab S on the day of release in the US and walked back into the UK with it saving about 100 quid. I have added my device to my Samsung devices page and entered the serial number with no issues so guessing that as long as they don't want a receipt of purchase then warranty should not be an issue.
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When I asked Samsung France about European warranty, they answered me "As long as you have the bill/receipt, it is ok, your Italian tablet is under warranty in France too"

Orphee said:
www.hw1.it
They only have the LTE version in Italy, no wifi only.
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I want to buy the 8.4 lte unit as it is the same price as the wifi only version elsewhere, but I find it a little discomforting that the price is 100 euros cheaper than it will be offered elsewhere. Should I be concerned about the product this website is offering?

I'm not sure to understand your word...
Yes I bought the LTE version on this Italian website same price than wifi version in France, and I'm very happy with it.
I was in holiday this week, far from any wifi access point, I was very happy to have the LTE version (with my multi sim data plan).
Price in France for wifi version : http://www.materiel.net/tablette-tactile/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-10-blanc-105481.html
Price in Italy for LTE version : http://www.hw1.it/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-10-5-sm-t805ntsaitv/

Take the 8.4inch, for example. The French site's price for the wifi-only tablet is the normally suggested 399 euro price. The wifi/4g-lte version is recommended to sell for 499 euros in Europe. But the Italian site is selling that one for 399 euros - a 100 euros discount (discount similar to the 10.5 inch prices). So my question is: are you satisfied with product you got from the Italian site because I think the price is quite low compared to what it is "supposed" to be.

Well it seems the price is normal in Italy, if you check some comparing Italian websites.
Yes I couldn't be more satisfied, I really recommend this website.
I asked some info in English by mail, they called me on my phone to confirm the tracking number of the package...
I was afraid when I paid, but now I'm very happy.
http://www.trovaprezzi.it/prezzo_tablet_galaxy_tab_s_10.5.aspx
I choosed hw1.it because they ship in France.

SM-T705
I am from Austria also tinking about ordering eg. at Amazon.it to have 30 days trial (cant be ordered in Germany from Austria right now) ...
Is it ok to flash an Austian Version e.g. CSC: T705ATO1ANF1 ???
1 will knox be triggered ?
2 is there any difference regarding GSM/LTE frequency bands or do all european devices have the same circuit boards ? One can look this up e.g. with myphoneexplorer (\System\build.prop Austria: ro.product.board=universal5420)