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GPS in Europe - Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Czech Rep, Hung

I will be in Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Czech Rep, Hungary and a few others soon
I would like to know if there is any good, inexpensive (free?) map software available for my device.
I currently have Osita GPS with a Pharos GPS reciever that works well. I have the Canadian maps only.
I installed pocket streets that came with Streets and Trips, which seems to work fine with the free maps the MS has available on their website, but these maps are only for metro cities, and only for some of the countries.
Suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks
Ian

No free solutions available I'm afraid, lots of good solutions although the Czech Republic and Hungary lack coverage. CoPilot and Navman are good pan-European Options. See our website for reviews and more.

Re: GPS in Europe - Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Czech Rep,
bimmian said:
I will be in Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Czech Rep, Hungary and a few others soon
I would like to know if there is any good, inexpensive (free?) map software available for my device.
I currently have Osita GPS with a Pharos GPS reciever that works well. I have the Canadian maps only.
I installed pocket streets that came with Streets and Trips, which seems to work fine with the free maps the MS has available on their website, but these maps are only for metro cities, and only for some of the countries.
Suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I have been using TomTom navigator 2 & now 3 in all of Western Europe it is expensive, on 9 cd's and you have to buy it with one country which is then repeated when you buy the western Europe maps seperately! Rip off or what?!
It does not cover Hungary & Czech, for this you need the older TomTom Routeplanner, this will give you map view only (no Navigator) but will show your GPS position on the map.
I found pocket streets to be very difficult to use & to keep track on my position & used TomTom's older city mapping progam (sorry, forgot the name) before I got Navigator 3
I also use MS Autoroute 2004 with a seperate GPS receiver as it is very good to be able to spot if she is going to try to send me in some crazy direction!
I hope this helps, Safe travelling! 8)

Go to www.mapopolis.com
They do all their Maps for a 11 day trial time. Plan this installation around your holiday and download all the maps.
There you go..... !

Use EMULE or KAZAA or EDONKEY to download software as Tom Tom!!!
It isn't legal but ....
Davide

That's right, it isn't legal and will not only reduce the profits of the developers but curtial the devlopement of new features and products and result in ever more complicated registration and protection measures being implemented in future releases.
The unlicensed versions also have no access to service patches and services such as TomTom Traffic. If you can afford an XDA and a GPS receiver then you can afford the cost of the licensed software!

it's true but i think that some programs in so expensive!
it's not right to pay, for example, 500€ to buy a computer and to spend 600€ to buy windows xp pro+ office!
if the softwarehouse reduce the price, the people buy original sofware to have support!!
davide

Microsoft are a whole different case, I'm not attempting to defend their software costs but then there are plenty of alternatives that are just as good such as OpenOffice etc.
With GPS it's not a fair comparison, they pay huge licence fees to the map data providers (Navteq and TeleAtlas) and have much smaller potential sales than MS would. Besided a PocketPC costs anywhere from £200+, the GPS another £100+ yet the software on it's own in TomTom's case is less than £100.

There is good coverage of Czech Repubilc and Hungary in Destinator (which is a Canadian software by Paradigm). I have used only the Hungarian version but it has street maps of all Hungarian roads and all city streets as well.

Thanks for all your input everyone, it is appreciated.
I will check out some of the softwares mentioned here.
Ian

Detailed road map of Germany is available here
Free downloadable detailed road map of Germany

02 shops now selling the Orbit.

Just got one from Worcester O2 free on the £35 month constract.
Very happy - looks the biz - the RollR aint the bad that everyone is talking about and I have WIFI!
Even comes with MSN messenger.
Wehay - one happy bunny.
Gotta wait for my PAC from orange now so need to SIM unlock it....any ideas?

I've just bought it for 50 pounds plus 35 pounds/mth with 400mins and 500 texts, free weekends, 12mths .
but note there is NO GPS software and you have to buy copilot separately at an additional 50 pounds depending on your tariff.
I love it. It looks great and the track ball and dial work really nicely as opposed to some of the comments I've recently read.
Apps don't have the extra close button as seen on the HTC version

HTC close button
what is the @extra close button found on HTC devices'?
does it shut down apps instead of minimising them?

yes apparently some of them have such a button.
however,the orbit has a plugin on the today screen for Shutting down apps and a also a Shortcut bar.

this is to the two posters who say they have the orbit.
i was wondering did you buy from a store direct? or online? because i cant seem to find it online. and it still comes up under the coming soon section of the website.

snoop85 said:
this is to the two posters who say they have the orbit.
i was wondering did you buy from a store direct? or online? because i cant seem to find it online. and it still comes up under the coming soon section of the website.
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I got mine from an o2 shop in Worcerster

feridoun said:
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but note there is NO GPS software and you have to buy copilot separately at an additional 50 pounds depending on your tariff.
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Do you mean that the GPS function is unuseable unless you buy other software. I don't want in-car stuff, just to be able to enter some waypoints and for the Orbit to point me towards them and tell me how fast I'm getting there - will it do this out of the box
Thanks
Mike

just come of the phone from o2 online, they're saying it'll be another couple of days. going into town to see if the shops got one.

O2 Shop Nottingham
I got mine from O2 Shop in Nottingham near the Victoria Centre, £50 on O2 400 / 12 Months.
Already installed TomTom 5 which I bought for my XDA iis, works fantastically well!

mikesands said:
Do you mean that the GPS function is unuseable unless you buy other software. I don't want in-car stuff, just to be able to enter some waypoints and for the Orbit to point me towards them and tell me how fast I'm getting there - will it do this out of the box
Thanks
Mike
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Sadly there's no software at all, but the chipset is fully functinal and you can probably download some free/cheap apps for your requirements.

O2 XDA Orbit, whats in the box

I am thinking of buying and O2 XDA Orbit from the O2 Online shop, https://shop.o2.co.uk/phone/features/O2/XDA_Orbit
I wondering if anyone has bought one from O2 Online if so can you tell me what is in the box?
I notice from other thread that other purchasers that bought from O2 shop did not get the
GPS Software
Car Mount/Holder
MicroSD Card
Case
If no car mount is supplied does the HTC P3300 Brodit Car mount fit?
Cheers
Nick

I didn't get any of those, AFAIK they don't come with a card or a case, and you might get the software free or you might have to pay an amount to get it.
I bought a 1GB sandisk MicroSD card with SD adaptor and usb2 card reader all for £18.99 off eBay. Works great.

Pete. said:
I didn't get any of those, AFAIK they don't come with a card or a case, and you might get the software free or you might have to pay an amount to get it.
I bought a 1GB sandisk MicroSD card with SD adaptor and usb2 card reader all for £18.99 off eBay. Works great.
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Pete
Thanks for that, how do you mount it in your car?
Cheers
Nick

The O2 shops are doing Copilot free with an Oribt + tariff of £40 or higher. For tariffs below that they are charging £50 for the Copilot bundle.
O2 Online's website says Copilot is free with an Orbit and doesn't mention any restriction on tariff. This may be a mistake on their part but while they are advertising it like this I guess they have to honour it.
They list the Copilot bundle as;
In car charger
In car cradle
Gooseneck suction mount
256mb Micro SD card preloaded with UK/IRE maps
Full co-pilot software suite

bigyellowdog said:
The O2 shops are doing Copilot free with an Oribt + tariff of £40 or higher. For tariffs below that they are charging £50 for the Copilot bundle.
O2 Online's website says Copilot is free with an Orbit and doesn't mention any restriction on tariff. This may be a mistake on their part but while they are advertising it like this I guess they have to honour it.
They list the Copilot bundle as;
In car charger
In car cradle
Gooseneck suction mount
256mb Micro SD card preloaded with UK/IRE maps
Full co-pilot software suite
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Thanks for the info, I could not find what the Orbit comes with on there web site am I missing something or going to the wrong place?
Nick

I ride a bike seldom in a car but I would have paid an extra £50 for the copilot bundle had I known you get a car charger and cradle with it. I might phone O2 and complain, especially as the on/off button on my phone has developed an intermittent fault.

NickR, I don't think its on their website.
The info is from an official O2 branded PDF doc that O2 sent me after I rang to ask about the Orbit. I'd upload here but its bigger than this board allows. No other info behond what I've already posted though.
Cheers.

New orbit owner - set up question?
Hi all
Got the orbit today, can anyone suggest which of the set up is best for the phone - basic or corporate.
Great phone
Andy

bigyellowdog said:
NickR, I don't think its on their website.
The info is from an official O2 branded PDF doc that O2 sent me after I rang to ask about the Orbit. I'd upload here but its bigger than this board allows. No other info behond what I've already posted though.
Cheers.
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I ordered my Orbit today on the o2 online site, when I did inquire what was in the box they did not really have a clue, the chap went away and asked some and said there is only the copilot software included, hopefully I will get it tomorrow, I will let you know what is in the box.
I have now got to have a fight with the carphonewarehouse to try and get my PAC number without having to give them £180 to terminate my contract early. Anyway thats another story which would take up about 5 pages and is not relevant to this topic.
Cheers
Nick

andy1688 said:
Hi all
Got the orbit today, can anyone suggest which of the set up is best for the phone - basic or corporate.
Great phone
Andy
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Andy,
I did not think the o2 active stuff was in the Orbit? If you have not worked out which is best I will have a look tomorrow when I get mine?
What did you get in the box?
Cheers
Nick

In my box (bought from O2 store) I had...
Device
2 x Stylus
USB cable
Mains charger
Outlook CD
Applications CD (GPRS Moniter, PDF Viewer, USB modem driver)
User Guide
Quick Start Guide
Warranty card
Wired headset
On my tariff I would have had to pay an extra £50 for Copilot so didn't bother as I've already got TTN6.

bigyellowdog said:
The O2 shops are doing Copilot free with an Oribt + tariff of £40 or higher. For tariffs below that they are charging £50 for the Copilot bundle.
O2 Online's website says Copilot is free with an Orbit and doesn't mention any restriction on tariff. This may be a mistake on their part but while they are advertising it like this I guess they have to honour it.
They list the Copilot bundle as;
In car charger
In car cradle
Gooseneck suction mount
256mb Micro SD card preloaded with UK/IRE maps
Full co-pilot software suite
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Hi,
I received my XDA Orbit this morning, you were correct, I got the :-
Online 25 tariff
XDA Orbit
Copilot Bundle
In car charger
In car cradle
Gooseneck suction mount
256mb Micro SD card preloaded with UK/IRE maps
Full co-pilot software suite
Thanks

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Originally Posted by bigyellowdog
The O2 shops are doing Copilot free with an Oribt + tariff of £40 or higher. For tariffs below that they are charging £50 for the Copilot bundle.
O2 Online's website says Copilot is free with an Orbit and doesn't mention any restriction on tariff. This may be a mistake on their part but while they are advertising it like this I guess they have to honour it.
They list the Copilot bundle as;
In car charger
In car cradle
Gooseneck suction mount
256mb Micro SD card preloaded with UK/IRE maps
Full co-pilot software suite
Hi,
I received my XDA Orbit this morning, you were correct, I got the :-
Online 25 tariff
XDA Orbit
Copilot Bundle
In car charger
In car cradle
Gooseneck suction mount
256mb Micro SD card preloaded with UK/IRE maps
Full co-pilot software suite
Thanks
Please help, I am currently having an arguement with o2 regarding what I should have recieved!!
I checked out the o2 website to look at the Orbit and decided to upgrade my current phone to it as it had the gps bundle for free. I called there online upgrades (O2 Retention) number and spoke to a guy for about 20 minutes regarding what deal he could do me.
I had to pay £99 to upgrade to the orbit (I was 6 months over my 12 month contract so thought they could have done a better deal than this!!) and I was told on the phone this would come with everything I needed and even came with an adapter to fix it to my car windscreen.
When the box arrived it is only just the phone and after 5 calls back to O2 they have said they never agreed to send me the sat nav kit. I am waiting for a call from a supervisor on Monday who has apparently listened to the call so I am going to ask for a copy of it because I think I should get what I was promised!!
Can anyone helo me with some advise on this as it seems some people have got it and others have not! I am now signed up to the online 25 tarrif for 18 months the same as NickR, and he got his with no hassle it would seem!!!

wombat45 said:
Please help, I am currently having an arguement with o2 regarding what I should have recieved!!
I checked out the o2 website to look at the Orbit and decided to upgrade my current phone to it as it had the gps bundle for free. I called there online upgrades (O2 Retention) number and spoke to a guy for about 20 minutes regarding what deal he could do me.
I had to pay £99 to upgrade to the orbit (I was 6 months over my 12 month contract so thought they could have done a better deal than this!!) and I was told on the phone this would come with everything I needed and even came with an adapter to fix it to my car windscreen.
When the box arrived it is only just the phone and after 5 calls back to O2 they have said they never agreed to send me the sat nav kit. I am waiting for a call from a supervisor on Monday who has apparently listened to the call so I am going to ask for a copy of it because I think I should get what I was promised!!
Can anyone helo me with some advise on this as it seems some people have got it and others have not! I am now signed up to the online 25 tarrif for 18 months the same as NickR, and he got his with no hassle it would seem!!!
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I was surprised to get the kit, I may have got the kit because I was not upgrading? I had loads of hassle buying, got rejected once by o2's 3rd party credit company, I had to ring my credit card company then reorder the Orbit. It took me all afternoon. Then I had an argument with Carphone Warehouse to get my PAC number, it would have cost me £180 to cancel my contract so I now have 2 mobile phone contracts. It worked out cheaper doing nothing. I will cancel my contract with o2 next year.
Hope you have success with O2, I would have not been to bothered if I did not get the Copilot Kit, its crap! I have installed TOMTOM 5, bought a 1GB Sandisk Ultra II for £28 and will get a Brodit Active mount £35 when they are available.
The GPD on the Orbit is fantastic, locks on to sats in the middle of my house.
Good Luck
Nick

NickR said:
I was surprised to get the kit, I may have got the kit because I was not upgrading? I had loads of hassle buying, got rejected once by o2's 3rd party credit company, I had to ring my credit card company then reorder the Orbit. It took me all afternoon. Then I had an argument with Carphone Warehouse to get my PAC number, it would have cost me £180 to cancel my contract so I now have 2 mobile phone contracts. It worked out cheaper doing nothing. I will cancel my contract with o2 next year.
Hope you have success with O2, I would have not been to bothered if I did not get the Copilot Kit, its crap! I have installed TOMTOM 5, bought a 1GB Sandisk Ultra II for £28 and will get a Brodit Active mount £35 when they are available.
The GPD on the Orbit is fantastic, locks on to sats in the middle of my house.
Good Luck
Nick
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This is my first ever pda so new to it all, reading forum after forum to slowly learn how to do everything. Too scared to even turn it on yet!!! Currently downloading a version of Tom Tom 6.02 but i'm worried that if I start messing about with my XDA I will break it!!
Assuming things with O2 don't go my way, I've figured out I need to get:
1 - A SD memory card
2 - a memory card reader(???)
3 - A working version of TomTom
4 - A screenmount and cigarette power supply.
Is this right?? Being new to this whole thing the co-pilot kit would have been great for me as would have meant so much less hassle!!
How much did you have to pay for the phone NickR and are you on a 12 or 18 month contract??

wombat45 said:
This is my first ever pda so new to it all, reading forum after forum to slowly learn how to do everything. Too scared to even turn it on yet!!! Currently downloading a version of Tom Tom 6.02 but i'm worried that if I start messing about with my XDA I will break it!!
Assuming things with O2 don't go my way, I've figured out I need to get:
1 - A SD memory card
2 - a memory card reader(???)
3 - A working version of TomTom
4 - A screenmount and cigarette power supply.
Is this right?? Being new to this whole thing the co-pilot kit would have been great for me as would have meant so much less hassle!!
How much did you have to pay for the phone NickR and are you on a 12 or 18 month contract??
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I am on a 12 month contract,
Yes everything above is what you need to Navigate.
1 - A SD memory card (512mb min)
2 - a memory card reader(???) (not essential but is faster than uploading maps via activesync)
3 - A working version of TomTom (yes)
4 - A screenmount and cigarette power supply. ( would get a Brodit Clip and an Active Mount, the pda will just drop into the mount without having to mess around trying to connect the 12v charger.
Nick

NickR said:
I am on a 12 month contract,
Yes everything above is what you need to Navigate.
1 - A SD memory card (512mb min)
2 - a memory card reader(???) (not essential but is faster than uploading maps via activesync)
3 - A working version of TomTom (yes)
4 - A screenmount and cigarette power supply. ( would get a Brodit Clip and an Active Mount, the pda will just drop into the mount without having to mess around trying to connect the 12v charger.
Nick
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Many Thanks for all your help Nick. When they become available (I read on this forum the xda usb connection is 3mm different so you cannot get one yet) where do I get a "Brodit Clip and Active Mount"??

wombat45 said:
Many Thanks for all your help Nick. When they become available (I read on this forum the xda usb connection is 3mm different so you cannot get one yet) where do I get a "Brodit Clip and Active Mount"??
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They are not the cheapest but they are very helpful. The HTC P3300 brodit mount although is near enough the same device has a different shell to the Orbit will not fit without bodging the mount so Brodit are making one especially for the Orbit. They will be available soon so keep checking there web site.
http://www.dsldevelopments.com/models.asp?m=O2
Cheers
Nick

NickR said:
They are not the cheapest but they are very helpful. The HTC P3300 brodit mount although is near enough the same device has a different shell to the Orbit will not fit without bodging the mount so Brodit are making one especially for the Orbit. They will be available soon so keep checking there web site.
http://www.dsldevelopments.com/models.asp?m=O2
Cheers
Nick
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Cheers, do they make them to fit to the windscreen though, or only to the air vents??
Reason I ask is because I am moving to spain in a few months so will obviously be changing my car. Although I think the air vent one would be better, a windscreen mount will be better for me as can use in any car.

wombat45 said:
Cheers, do they make them to fit to the windscreen though, or only to the air vents??
Reason I ask is because I am moving to spain in a few months so will obviously be changing my car. Although I think the air vent one would be better, a windscreen mount will be better for me as can use in any car.
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You have 2 choices that I know of,
1/ I have aclip which clips on my dash board.
2/ a suction mount
3/ or a vent mount
You the screw the PDA Mount to ether of those fixings. Give the chap at dsldevelopments a ring I am sure he would be happy to advise.

O2 Orbit - CoPilot or TomTom?

I am currently due a handset upgrade with O2.
They told me that I can have an O2 Orbit (HTC Artemis) for £159.99 without CoPilot, or £299.99 with CoPilot. I am assuming that "CoPilot" just includes maps of UK and Ireland (the lady I spoke to didn't seem to know a lot about the package).
Looking at the TomTom web site, it seems that I can get complete maps of Europe (and probably better software!) for £85.
It therefore seems like a no-brainer to me that I should get the handset without CoPilot from O2, and then buy a copy of TT6.
Am I missing something obvious?

Philip said:
I am currently due a handset upgrade with O2.
They told me that I can have an O2 Orbit (HTC Artemis) for £159.99 without CoPilot, or £299.99 with CoPilot. I am assuming that "CoPilot" just includes maps of UK and Ireland (the lady I spoke to didn't seem to know a lot about the package).
Looking at the TomTom web site, it seems that I can get complete maps of Europe (and probably better software!) for £85.
It therefore seems like a no-brainer to me that I should get the handset without CoPilot from O2, and then buy a copy of TT6.
Am I missing something obvious?
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bit torrent

Philip said:
I am currently due a handset upgrade with O2.
They told me that I can have an O2 Orbit (HTC Artemis) for £159.99 without CoPilot, or £299.99 with CoPilot. I am assuming that "CoPilot" just includes maps of UK and Ireland (the lady I spoke to didn't seem to know a lot about the package).
Looking at the TomTom web site, it seems that I can get complete maps of Europe (and probably better software!) for £85.
It therefore seems like a no-brainer to me that I should get the handset without CoPilot from O2, and then buy a copy of TT6.
Am I missing something obvious?
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No brainer, p.s. a friend of mine just went from Orange to O2 today in an O2 shop, his bill is normally about £50 a month and basic O2 package is £40 a month they gave him the Orbit with Co-Pilot for free.

You should get a free Orbit and the copilot pack from O2 if you are taking a £40 contract
O2 shops give you £30 for ANY old handset you care to hand in
You can then ebay your copilot for around £50 and buy TomTom
Hays

The O2 Co-Pilot Package includes full European Maps, a 256MB Mini-SD Card, Car Mount and Car Charger. It doesn't include a case
Co-Pilot costs about £85, a Micro SD Card will cost you £10ish (if you shop around, at least my 1GB did), a car mount will cost you £20 if you go for the basic one and a USB Car Charger will cost you £10.
I've got GPS kit and all of it's good quality but I purchased a brodit mount in the end because I all ready had the Brodit Brackets in my car. And I ended up going back to TomTom because I prefer the interface.

hays said:
You should get a free Orbit and the copilot pack from O2 if you are taking a £40 contract
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I am on a All Time 200 Pay UpFront tariff with O2 - I pay £149 for 12 months (which is about £12.50 per month) and get 200 anytime minutes per month included, so I have no desire to change tariffs, especially as I never use the full 200 minutes in a month.
I rang O2 back today, and this time I was quoted £149.99 without CoPilot and £199.99 with it - and they confirmed that the "with" prices includes a car mount. Only problem is that they have no CoPilots in stock (they do have the phone), so suggested that I need to go to an O2 shop.
I'll try that, but I strongly suspect that they will quote me a higher price, especially given that I do not want to change my tariff!

just so you know....
ive done this twice!
go into the o2 shop, as long as you are within 3 months i think you can cancel your current contract and open a new one and get the phone for free rather then pay the £100+ to upgrade. this requires a £40+ contract.
i got my alpine & universal this way at least a month and a half before my upgrade date.
It was the lady in the shop that told me this, she even printed the letter to post to o2 to cancel the current contract and gave me the uni right there and then. very helpful!
i only went into town to buy some jeans

i have tom tom installed but having issues with it stalling on the splash screen 9 times out of 10! the tom tom i have has european maps with the speed cameras POI. I got the Co Pilot kit free with my orbit and am considering ebaying it.
Question:
Does someone know if Co Pilot is more stable on the Artemis than TT6? If so, i'll go to that!
Also, if I do decide to do this, can i get the speed camera infor for co pilot?
Thanks!

Hi. I haven't used TT since I think it was called En Route, and on a Psion 5! But CoPilot works fine on an Orbit. I've had it (CoPilot 6, full Europe maps) on an XDA Exec, with a BT GPSlim236, running from a 2Gb Ultra SD, even though ALK recommend it installed to main memory, and it was excellent. The same prog runs fine on the Orbit, every bit as quickly, although I was quite worried about the possibility of the Micro SD card suffering corruption, as many members here have suffered. So far it has been perfect, no problems at all, except the built in receiver is a little slower to first fix, and I've seen it having a few problems for a few seconds sometimes finding exactly where it is. There is a socket for an external aerial, which I think would help, but it seems that getting one with the correct connector is very difficult. In the meantime, I've tried my BT 236 with it, and reception now is excellent. However, you may want to sell the CoPilot 6 fairly quickly on Ebay, because CoPilot 7 is due to be released very soon - it was announced a week ago, and the value of 6 may then go down a bit. Besides having the latest maps, 7 will also be WM6 compatible, and it definitely works on an Orbit, because the guys from ALK were demonstrating it on Orbits.. Speed camera updates and lots of other POIs can be downloaded from
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com
on payment of a subscription fee. Hope this helps..
Actually, that's a thought for everyone here hoping for an upgrade to WM6 - will all the software, including TT, still be functional?

co-pilot
hi all
CO PILOT IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH, TRUST ME, TOMTOM ALL THE WAY

mazta said:
hi all
CO PILOT IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH, TRUST ME, TOMTOM ALL THE WAY
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but are you not getting the annoying stalling at the splash screen issue? if not, have you got round it somehow?

I never have any issue with TomTom splash screens. Must be the version you are using

Upgrades
I always seem to get a deal every year on a different phone..
Always get the phone number for the customer loyalty department.
Shop around for a good deal from other providers then phone the loyalty department and tell them that their competitors have offered you a better deal to switch networks. (I always make the competitors deal sound a little better than it is) Ask the customer loyalty department if they can better the offer if you stay with them. You can usually get a cashback offer that blows away anything you can get over the counter.
Last time I switched providers I kept my old handset, got a brand new razor phone (which I ebayed) and got half price line rental for 9 months. I don't use that many minutes so the money I got from ebaying the phone payed for my bill for the whole year!

i have 1 on these co-pilot pack with my orbit but i do not need it so i am willing to sell it to some one on this site for £60 in p&p
the guy i got it off also provided a cd with all the tom tom software and maps
pm me or cantact me at [email protected]
collection wellcome

i just put the co-pilot on ebay check out the link below
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....MESE:IT&viewitem=&item=300085472090&rd=1&rd=1
Item number: 300085472090

copilot
I have been using copilot for real.
I have no experience of TomTom.
Copilot seems fine but slow to start up - otherwise it takes me very accurately to where I want to mine with very little problem.
I got my Orbit as a free upgrade and paid £50 for co-pilot Uk but it was UK only. They supply all European maps but the code that I enter only gets me UK.

tomtom6 works flawlessly on my xda orbit. have maps of western europe and have been using it in a motorhome

Definitely TomTom
You need to upgrade to version 6.02 for stability - you can torrent it or message me... really simple installation, just copy everything to your SD cars and run the install cab.
Works flawlessly, 100% stable, much better than it did on my old XDA Mini S.
I got Copilot with my Orbits (three for my company), tried it and hated it... you can't use it quickly with your finger in the car, unlike TomTom... TomTom's interface is much better. Copilot also takes ages to load. Sold my copilot software (3 copies) on ebay for £40 each!!!
If you need a car bracket, the O2 Copilot kit is just a standard multi-pda mount, you can get them for a fiver on ebay. If you get one with adjustabl;e feet at the bottom of it, you can supeglue the usb lead into position to give a permanent charging cradle!
I've also designed a custom menu interface for my TomTom to remove unneccessary buttons... you can do it free online at http://www.skux.net/tomtom/menubuilder2/index.php

I got Copilot because it was £40, versus £110 for TomTom. It's a fair price as it's about half a good. Mind you I haven't used it much, because it sucks more than getting lost in the first place. TomTom every time.

Got my upgrade XDA Orbit for free (£25 Anytime 200 & the 20Mb data Bolt-on for £10) - & co-pilot was £49.
I tend to agree though - it doesn't look good. Awkward to use and pretty non-intuitive (have been used to using my BMW system).
Can anyone answer as to how you just get the map displayed on co-pilot 6 without having to have a route entered? Would just like to know where I am some of the time, not necessarily to have fannied about entering a route and all...

elf casing in india help

i need original elf casing with digitizer in india any one plz help

Please search on HTC.com for an authorized service centre in your or nearby city.

thankx for the advice i had already done that and they quote 5500 and as of now i don't wanna spend on it that much
ankushmulay said:
Please search on HTC.com for an authorized service centre in your or nearby city.
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In Pakistan
Here in Pakistan, Its available easily for Rs.600

wow man 600 is very cheap.. in india i have too searched many places. i cont any for that price.... i cant find it online even (with free shipping ) ./.

I have one in Canada. Info can be found here.

Get one on ebay.com. There are many chinese sellers. The shipping chare is also not that high

if you are from mumbai you can get one at hira panna or manish market. but these will be chinese products. I got a digitiser for 350 from hira panna. I ordered a new housing with digitiser from ebay.com it will ship from hong kong works out to nearly 1500 including shipping and some tools.

can u give me selle s name from whom u got it on ebay

prats said:
i need original elf casing with digitizer in india any one plz help
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if you are in bangalore, you can find most of what you want in 'Ninja Traders' on S.P Road. I paid Rs. 590 for mine.