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OTA possible if bloat are removed?

Hello. I just purchased the US version of the Honor 7x, but really hate having apps like Instagram and Facebook on my phone. I don't use them. If I root my phone, is it possible to remove these apps and maybe a few unused Google apps and still receive any future OTA? Thanks in advance.

Good question phone hasn't arrived yet but definitely don't want crapbook and tweaker on it.

bloodbath said:
Hello. I just purchased the US version of the Honor 7x, but really hate having apps like Instagram and Facebook on my phone. I don't use them. If I root my phone, is it possible to remove these apps and maybe a few unused Google apps and still receive any future OTA? Thanks in advance.
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Sadly, on the first OTA for Mate2, removing one of the Huawei-created bloatware caused the update to fail. Don't know what the policy is now. So I'd keep backups of removed bloatware. (I think that the OTA was trying to update one of the missing bloatware but there was no option to ignore the error and continue with simply the OS upgrade.)

bloodbath said:
Hello. I just purchased the US version of the Honor 7x, but really hate having apps like Instagram and Facebook on my phone. I don't use them. If I root my phone, is it possible to remove these apps and maybe a few unused Google apps and still receive any future OTA? Thanks in advance.
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You can't apply OTA even if you unroot after root without even touching system apps. This is the case with 7X.

It's not the removing of bloat that causes problems with OTA's. It's what you have to do in order to remove bloat which is rooting the phone. Rooting modifies the system data which then fails the check performed when an OTA tries to install. Rooting modifies the system partition and adding twrp modifies the boot partition. So as of now doing anything other than unlocking the bootloader will give you problems whenever we get official OTA.

SVR said:
You can't apply OTA even if you unroot after root without even touching system apps. This is the case with 7X.
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str8stryk3r said:
It's not the removing of bloat that causes problems with OTA's. It's what you have to do in order to remove bloat which is rooting the phone.
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That's unfortunate. It has been many years since the Mate2 but I don't recall it being as restrictive back then. If I recall correctly, I was able to leave the phone rooted as long I restored stock bootloader and stock recovery. But the OTA failed when it was trying to update one or more of the Huawei apps so I only had to restore the boatware from TB.
I guess I should keep backups of all stock images before rooting. Thanks for the info.

This is very disheartening to hear. With the new additions (e. g. Facial recognition) supposedly incorporated into the next update, I would like to keep OTA. The other items taking up space on my phone is very annoying though. Oh well, I guess the apps aren't a big issue for now. I just wish Huawei would have let us choose our own apps.

bloodbath said:
This is very disheartening to hear. With the new additions (e. g. Facial recognition) supposedly incorporated into the next update, I would like to keep OTA. The other items taking up space on my phone is very annoying though. Oh well, I guess the apps aren't a big issue for now. I just wish Huawei would have let us choose our own apps.
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Well eventually/hopefully, we'll get some devs to pick up development on the device where twrp, root, and custom roms will let us get our phones to the way we want them. I stayed away from twrp and rooting just for that reason. I just disabled all the crap they added that I don't use

str8stryk3r said:
Well eventually/hopefully, we'll get some devs to pick up development on the device where twrp, root, and custom roms will let us get our phones to the way we want them. I stayed away from twrp and rooting just for that reason. I just disabled all the crap they added that I don't use
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Seeing that the initial popularity and price point for the quality of phone have been positive so far, I do think that will happen. I too am staying away until it occurs. I have ignored the apps I don't like for now, but truly miss apps like Adaway and Titanium Backup, which require root. Oh well, soon hopefully.

I have been able to remove a few apps

I've been rooting phones since the original (G1), but I've now arrived at the point where rooting is no longer the irresistible desire it used to be. I know heavily skinned versions of Android like EMUI & MIUI are not for everyone, but I actually enjoy them. I'm patiently waiting for the OTA. Once Oreo arrives, I might consider rooting, but I'm in no rush.

There are some apps you can uninstall without root.

You can uninstall third party apps like Facebook, that was the first thing I did

I haven't rooted or installed twrp yet until the L24 releases the stock firmware but as another user stated you can remove some of the third party apps. The ones that Huawei made system apps that can't be removed without root are the ones that would give problems with the ota like the stock launcher and the Sim toolkits and other various crap. I wish they would hurry up with the stock firmware release because there are some things I'd like to do that require root

U can remove the blotware without rooting by using adb ..
Just follow the link

sivaukxc said:
U can remove the blotware without rooting by using adb ..
Just follow the link
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But again, removing system apps could cause the ota to fail if one of those apps tries to get updated and it's not there

side effects root and unlocked bootloader

Probably been asked thousand times before but I want to get a samsung A7050FN specific answer to this query.
What features and functions would stop working once I unlock bootloader and root with the mentioned procedure on A70 thread?
This phone is near perfect for everyday driver except It needs some Titanium backup and viper4android along with few minor UI tweaks.
If some nice smartsian provide a list, I can peace fully proceed with rooting and bootloader unlocking

secure folder will stop working, also you will need to update your device with Odin.

Since Knox will be tripped, you won't be able to use "Knox features" like Secure Folder (there's 3rd party apps that do the same), Samsung Flox, Samsung Pay (if applicable), Samsung Pass, Samsung Health (there's a workaround for this one?). I've also read there could be problems with some apps like banking and Netflix. (Magisk hide root status feature is your friend) . If you're outside the EU tripping Knox will also void warranty.

xomikron said:
Since Knox will be tripped, you won't be able to use "Knox features" like Secure Folder (there's 3rd party apps that do the same), Samsung Flox, Samsung Pay (if applicable), Samsung Pass, Samsung Health (there's a workaround for this one?). I've also read there could be problems with some apps like banking and Netflix. (Magisk hide root status feature is your friend) . If you're outside the EU tripping Knox will also void warranty.
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Don't care about secure folder or Samsung pay or warranty or loosing ability to update OTA. I can use odin for that
Can samsung pass and health be bypassed via the technique of changing ro.xxxx.tima= 1 to 0 in build prop file?
Don't use Netflix so don't care. Nor use any banking apps
Would fingerprint, face unlock, ar emoji and other camera features and Samsung themes kepp working?
Once you are rooted and your bootloader is unlocked does your boot screen changes to show tripped knox etc?

I rooted my A705MN. Samsung health does not work for me after tima change to 0. I read somewhere that you would have to modify the apk somehow. Never looked into it too much. You can read about it here https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/guide-samsung-health-root-device-t3946881
I am bummed that about the secure folder. I used it a lot with my unrooted S8. You can modify the build.prop to pass the SafetyNet check to be able to use banking and Netflix apps again.
Edit: here is another place to read https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/how-to/guide-s-health-knox-0x1-t3843483

fizzingbees said:
Don't care about secure folder or Samsung pay or warranty or loosing ability to update OTA. I can use odin for that
Can samsung pass and health be bypassed via the technique of changing ro.xxxx.tima= 1 to 0 in build prop file?
Don't use Netflix so don't care. Nor use any banking apps
Would fingerprint, face unlock, ar emoji and other camera features and Samsung themes kepp working?
Once you are rooted and your bootloader is unlocked does your boot screen changes to show tripped knox etc?
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Samsung Pass uses biometrics to log-in and such, it won't work if the device is rooted. I don't know of any bypasses but I've found this https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/rooting-roms/samsung-pass-knox-tripped-devices-t3687977
I don't see why emoji and general camera features would stop working, they're not really security features, not that the stock camera is very useful. GCam is a better option for photography.
For now, I haven't rooted my device. From my understanding to enter a rooted state with Magisk you need to turn on your phone with a certain key combination, otherwise I don't think anything is displayed when the phone boots, why is that important?

banking? so like logging on to chase online app may not work if i unlock boot and root? that would be just dumb, i mean my nexus 6 was rooted and custom rom-ed and chase worked

xomikron said:
Samsung Pass uses biometrics to log-in and such, it won't work if the device is rooted. I don't know of any bypasses but I've found this https://forum.xda-developers.com/general/rooting-roms/samsung-pass-knox-tripped-devices-t3687977
I don't see why emoji and general camera features would stop working, they're not really security features, not that the stock camera is very useful. GCam is a better option for photography.
For now, I haven't rooted my device. From my understanding to enter a rooted state with Magisk you need to turn on your phone with a certain key combination, otherwise I don't think anything is displayed when the phone boots, why is that important?
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Our Samsung A70 is very finicky with root and unlocked bootloader. And the rooting method we use is not so very official and stable for us.
So we need to use a certain key combination to keep root and magisk app when rebooting phone.
You mentioned gcam. Which version and config file are you using?

leo5111 said:
banking? so like logging on to chase online app may not work if i unlock boot and root? that would be just dumb, i mean my nexus 6 was rooted and custom rom-ed and chase worked
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Actually its a security feature.
Many banking and enterprise applications don't work if your bootloader is compromised and your system rooted. They believe that by rooting and gaining administrative status, any hacker can bypass banking app security thereby compromising consumer safety

cealaska said:
I rooted my A705MN. Samsung health does not work for me after tima change to 0. I read somewhere that you would have to modify the apk somehow. Never looked into it too much. You can read about it here https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/guide-samsung-health-root-device-t3946881
I am bummed that about the secure folder. I used it a lot with my unrooted S8. You can modify the build.prop to pass the SafetyNet check to be able to use banking and Netflix apps again.
Edit: here is another place to read https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/how-to/guide-s-health-knox-0x1-t3843483
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It's not like a70 has heart rate sensor and oximeter that I will. Be mad about Samsung health.
Still Samsung makes very stupid decision sometimes.

back to previous statement i NEVER have rooted my phone and then Chase app didnt work, so trying to see before bothering to try and root...EDIT...anyone here with rooted a70 and chase mobile app does it work? that and paypal

fizzingbees said:
It's not like a70 has heart rate sensor and oximeter that I will. Be mad about Samsung health.
Still Samsung makes very stupid decision sometimes.
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I never really used Samsung Health with my unrooted S8. Fingerprint reader does not work to unlock my rooted A70 on Q (Android 10). It accepts the fingerprint but does not unlock the phone. It goes into a loop where it locks the phone again even I press the fingerprint sensor. I hate the ultrasonic reader lol. Does not work with screen protectors to prevent it from being scratched.
Can't use private mode in Samsung Internet anymore A lot of the features from Samsung seems to be disabled after tripping Knox. I used to love Samsung but with rooting now is a pain in the neck. The build.prop is different than 9 which sucks because I liked "overclocking" kind of making the CPU use all cores, it is not there anymore in Q. I am not sure that the Net improvements hacks for the build prop works anymore. Internet connection does not seem to be as fast for me as 9 was. Edit: I am not sure why the hell we can't use them because it erases the phone when we unlock the bootloader. Even if we re-flash stock they will not work because efuse is already tripped.
back to previous statement i NEVER have rooted my phone and then Chase app didnt work, so trying to see before bothering to try and root...EDIT...anyone here with rooted a70 and chase mobile app does it work? that and paypal
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I am sorry I do not use those apps. You will have to edit your build.prop to get it to pass the SafetyCheck most likely. If Chase still does not work for you unrooted try contact their support and see if they can help you make it work. I am not liking rooted Q as much as rooted 9 was.

Okay so it means that t rooting and unlocking bootloader leads to Samsung secure folder, Samsung health, Samsung pay, secure login, banking apps and Netflix not working anymore.
Moreover specifically for A70, rebooting phone require specific key combination.
What about boot screen? Does it show any new text after rooting?
My note 4 after rooting shows kernal booting system or kernal booting recovery which is indication thst device has been tempered with.

I have a problem with the making phone calls after rooting. The sounds leak out as if it's on speaker (when it's not) and when on speaker it makes a very shape echo in the back ground.
P.S. havoc os

M.Sam90 said:
I have a problem with the making phone calls after rooting. The sounds leak out as if it's on speaker (when it's not) and when on speaker it makes a very shape echo in the back ground.
P.S. havoc os
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Turn off voice enhancement in call settings. Or noise reduction in call settings
These settings are known to cause echo or static noise issues during call.
Also try turning off any sound mods you may have done after rooting
Report this issue at hovac os thread. Maybe it's a known issue with that Rom

Headset and sound issues
fizzingbees said:
Turn off voice enhancement in call settings. Or noise reduction in call settings
These settings are known to cause echo or static noise issues during call.
Also try turning off any sound mods you may have done after rooting
Report this issue at hovac os thread. Maybe it's a known issue with that Rom
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Thanks for the reply but the issues is still the same any other adjustments to recommend ?

fizzingbees said:
Don't care about secure folder or Samsung pay or warranty or loosing ability to update OTA. I can use odin for that
Can samsung pass and health be bypassed via the technique of changing ro.xxxx.tima= 1 to 0 in build prop file?
Don't use Netflix so don't care. Nor use any banking apps
Would fingerprint, face unlock, ar emoji and other camera features and Samsung themes kepp working?
Once you are rooted and your bootloader is unlocked does your boot screen changes to show tripped knox etc?
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fizzingbees said:
Our Samsung A70 is very finicky with root and unlocked bootloader. And the rooting method we use is not so very official and stable for us.
So we need to use a certain key combination to keep root and magisk app when rebooting phone.
You mentioned gcam. Which version and config file are you using?
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Sorry for the late reply. I'm using GCam version 7.3.018 by Urnx05 (v1.4) with the config file by dotsx, you can check the file in Telegram by joining the group from this link.

xomikron said:
Sorry for the late reply. I'm using GCam version 7.3.018 by Urnx05 (v1.4) with the config file by dotsx, you can check the file in Telegram by joining the group from this link.
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Can you kindly post direct link to gcam apk here along with config file as attachment

M.Sam90 said:
Thanks for the reply but the issues is still the same any other adjustments to recommend ?
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Ask this question in havoc OS thread.
They can help you better than us

xomikron said:
Sorry for the late reply. I'm using GCam version 7.3.018 by Urnx05 (v1.4) with the config file by dotsx, you can check the file in Telegram by joining the group from this link.
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I found your version but the auxiliary cameras cause the app to crash.
How do you fix this. Any help

Down side of rooting ?

Hey there,
I've owned the Note 10+ (Exynos) since release and i haven't rooted it once. I remember the last phone is the note 8 and i did root it, but i remember when i wanted to return to stock to sell that phone i ran into some trouble.
For example the Samsung Pass, Samsung Health Apps etc... don't work anymore after your root your phone, is this still a thing ? Because i'm considering rooting the note 10+ now and i need to know if i can successfully get everything back the way it was before rooting ?
Any help or advice would be appreciated, thanks

Warnahly said:
Hey there,
I've owned the Note 10+ (Exynos) since release and i haven't rooted it once. I remember the last phone is the note 8 and i did root it, but i remember when i wanted to return to stock to sell that phone i ran into some trouble.
For example the Samsung Pass, Samsung Health Apps etc... don't work anymore after your root your phone, is this still a thing ? Because i'm considering rooting the note 10+ now and i need to know if i can successfully get everything back the way it was before rooting ?
Any help or advice would be appreciated, thanks
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hello. yes rooting is a bit of a problem nowadays. Samsung REALLY does not want you to root their Androids for whatever reason. Here are the disadvantages:
1) When you power up the device, a FILTHY boot-up screen pops up and takes 8 seconds and a button press to fully boot the device [see the full details and EXYNOS ONLY bypass here: Boot Pop up remove
2) The KNOX counter [hardware fuse] trips and goes 0x1 [Some devices get OTA updates after locking the bootloader and flashing full ODIN stock, but didn't happen for me. Also it voids the warranty]
3) All the KNOX secured apps [Secure Folder, Samsung Health, Pay etc.] will NOT work [there are bypasses for Samsung Health, Samsung Music and Secure Folder but say goodbye to Samsung Pay]
4) Samsung will refuse to repair your phone and you have to look at 3rd Party options to repair if anything goes wrong. [no bypass to that]
5) Once you unlock the bootloader, you can never lock it again [ idk much about this one, some people say you can lock it again. Gotta look it up ]
Also rooting with TWRP in of itself is a gigantic hassle nowadays [I really miss the days when we could just flash TWRP with ODIN and call it a day].

NullCode said:
hello. yes rooting is a bit of a problem nowadays. Samsung REALLY does not want you to root their Androids for whatever reason. Here are the disadvantages:
1) When you power up the device, a FILTHY boot-up screen pops up and takes 8 seconds and a button press to fully boot the device [see the full details and EXYNOS ONLY bypass here: Boot Pop up remove
2) The KNOX counter trips and goes 0x1 [This will prevent you from ever getting OTA updates and it voids the warranty]
3) All the KNOX secured apps [Secure Folder, Samsung Health, Pay etc.] will NOT work [there are bypasses for Samsung Health, Samsung Music and Secure Folder but say goodbye to Samsung Pay]
4) Samsung will refuse to repair your phone and you have to look at 3rd Party options to repair if anything goes wrong. [no bypass to that]
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I mean as far as the boot up issue its fixed so that's fine, in terms of the counter, even if i restored the stock rom and removed root i won't ever get OTA updates ?
Ahhh i seriously hate samsung now ! let me mess up my phone the way i want

Well, that is the price to pay to really ensure a safe device, specially when using banking apps, and corporative enviroments, knox is really good in this regard, the e-fuse is a total warranty for knowing if a device is compromised at deep levels, so, that is how things are these days…

The e-fuse status (0x1) on the bootloader screen can be spoofed to look like it hasn't. Just checking the bootloader before purchasing a 2nd hand device is no longer a guarantee that you have a "secure" device...
This means that if you do get a device that looks secure you might actually get a few nasty surprises when certain apps just won't work or if you try to flash OTA updates yourself through ODIN...
Buyer beware...

Warnahly said:
I mean as far as the boot up issue its fixed so that's fine, in terms of the counter, even if i restored the stock rom and removed root i won't ever get OTA updates ?
Ahhh i seriously hate samsung now ! let me mess up my phone the way i want
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yup. even after you full flash stock, it's still gonna be 0x1 and no more OTA updates. But you still can do firmware updates with ODIN (remember it wipes everything including the Internal Storage). Tons of guides on Google, find one.

Just a tiny correction to this thread: it's not true that you can "never" get ota updates ever again. If you flash stock again, you will receive OTAs.
Source: my previously rooted note10+.
As for samsung pay, my country doesn't support it, so no loss there, s-health you get working with a build.prop line, and secure folder is more or less a gimmick for me. As for getting your phone warrantied, i had my friend get his rooted s6e+ replaced for dead camera pixels with no issues. And from what i read european countries have laws separating hardware warranties from software. But i could be wrong on this.
With that being said, unless you have a specialised application for it, rooting isn't worth it anymore imo. It was back when touchwiz was a bloated pos and flashing cyanogenmod gave you a really noticeable advantage, but samsung caught up software wise.

Rooting and installing a custom rom takes me back to good old htc hd2 days.... I've rooted all my phones up to the original pixel. After further looking into rooting and how it can affect security I decided to opt out of rooting for the next 4-5 years. I feel like back then, the OS weren't this customizable as todays phones are. I do miss Xposed Frameworks though

As some posters above say, unless you want very, very badly some app that requires root, it is not worth the hassle and the security issues, I really loved Viper sound, which requires root, but, I decided not to root since the note 7, now samsung one UI gives a very good customization, I do apreciate Knox, and some banking and streaming apps refuse to work on rooted devices, so, I said bye to viper…

Not being rooted, I really miss titanium backup. Every time I get a new phone I end up losing progress or data in some app or other, usually a game. There was one game I had spent a decent bit of money on, years ago now, on my note 4, and it didn't transfer properly to my note 7, and I lost all my progress and the money I had spent on it.
I really feel like consumer protection laws should mandate that the manufacturers can't make rooting impossible like they do. I don't care about losing knox or Samsung apps, heck, part of why I root is to get that crap I don't use off my phone! I miss lineageos. Samsung's android customization isn't to my taste.

I agree with you about root, somebody buys a phone, therefore that person should be able to do anything to it, but, for other part, if rooting is all that important for you, you might very well cosidered getting a rootable device, I rooted my devices in the past, begining with a S3, these days I just miss Viper, but, considering how samsung has progressed with itd UI, I no longer think about root, furthermore, I use a number of apps that do not work when root is detected, so, in the end every one has to think carefully what really needs before getting a device

the only thing i miss on stock, are proper backups as in TWRP or in Titanium Backup, as a lot of things are not restorable with SmartSwitch. also i miss the possibility to completely uninstall bloatware like facebook or netflix and others. i see no reason, why these are part of the OS. CCSWE is quite a big help in that matter, though. for OTA, you can have them, when you re-lock the bootloader and odin stock on the device (at least on the S10+)

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the only thing i miss on stock, are proper backups as in TWRP or in Titanium Backup, as a lot of things are not restorable with SmartSwitch. also i miss the possibility to completely uninstall bloatware like facebook or netflix and others. i see no reason, why these are part of the OS. CCSWE is quite a big help in that matter, though. for OTA, you can have them, when you re-lock the bootloader and odin stock on the device (at least on the S10+)
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as for backup I think I heard about a software called helium, which backs up apps w/o root. Also you can disable/remove bloatware using a PC and ADB w/o root. Here you go: https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/
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Rainbow_Dash said:
Just a tiny correction to this thread: it's not true that you can "never" get ota updates ever again. If you flash stock again, you will receive OTAs.
Source: my previously rooted note10+.
As for samsung pay, my country doesn't support it, so no loss there, s-health you get working with a build.prop line, and secure folder is more or less a gimmick for me. As for getting your phone warrantied, i had my friend get his rooted s6e+ replaced for dead camera pixels with no issues. And from what i read european countries have laws separating hardware warranties from software. But i could be wrong on this.
With that being said, unless you have a specialised application for it, rooting isn't worth it anymore imo. It was back when touchwiz was a bloated pos and flashing cyanogenmod gave you a really noticeable advantage, but samsung caught up software wise.
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thanks a lot for correcting me. Even after I flashed full stock on my Tab S3, it would not detect OTA updates and some updates totally soft-bricked it. Editing my post for correction

i went fir CCSWE,regarding disabling.

(Question) rooting and back to stock

Hi guys
It’s been awhile since I had a Samsung phone
Anyhow I remember that if you are rooting your phone I will not be able to go back to stock and keep receiving updates regularly and also the user will not be able to use any Samsung service since there is some security on the device board
I wonder if it’s still the situation in galaxy s21 series
thanks

Yes OTA updates will be disabled for the rooted device. But you can easily install them if you so wish without loosing root by temporarily removing root without rebooting the device. Follow this guide for full process.
As for the services, I didn't hear about a service that's disabled by rooting. But if it happens you can easily replace said services by downloading alternatives or using specific modules in magisk manager.

Thank you
I’m asking because if I will ever want to sell the device it will be impossible

sagiag said:
Thank you
I’m asking because if I will ever want to sell the device it will be impossible
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Not at all.
You can just do this:
Unroot.
Remove Samsung and google account.
Flash stock ROM [Optional, unless you flashed a custom ROM]
Lock the bootloader.
And that's it you can sell it as just lightly used.

I think you wouldn't be able to use Secure Folder after root.

dalanik said:
I think you wouldn't be able to use Secure Folder after root.
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Knox is disabled after rooting, similarly anything knox dependant will be disabled as well. I thought he meant some other services like samsung health or other bloatware.

Is it worth to root your Samsung Galaxy S10+

Hello,
Yesterday, I successfully rooted my Samsung Galaxy S10+. But since I still had some questions about it, I went on and posted a thread here. User Spaceminer then pointed out that my original post was in the wrong subforum and linked me here. Naturally, I looked at some of the most popular posts in hopes to find answers to my questions. But what I found confused me more than it gave me answers.
Since 2014 with the Samsung Galaxy S5 I got used to rooting in order to disable bloatware, protect my data and customize my phone. I continued doing that with the S8+ until I recently got my hands on the S10. Now, my main reason for rooting are still the same; I want disable (not necessarily uninstall) bloatware, protect my privacy and customize my phone (such as changing the background of the dial when calling someone). But that thread made me wonder if it is even essential to root. I also found a similar post on reddit and most answers seem to agree that it is not necessary to root your phones.
Now, my situation is a bit different. For one, I already rooted my phone. Second, I don't care about warranty nor custom ROMs. But I do want to install a banking app. Also, it is a bit cumbersome to not only have to manually update your phone with every update but the booting requirements with the warning screen are also a bit annoying. So, my question is the following:
What are the advantages of rooting that are not possible without? I have 3 main concerns: Bloatware, Privacy and Customization.
The reason why I posted this in a separate threat is that I was not able to come to a definitive conclusion on my own and most discussion threads are over a year old. By now, the whole process of rooting and what is possible changed since then, so I want to get a more recent insight. I hope you can help me out.
With kind regards,
DasMalzbier

Tbh root is not needed, unless you want to use a custom rom. Most things are already in the android now.

Calyx os not make for samsung Galaxy series and 12 update also comes this year so i think rooting is unnecessary for s10 series

Root is 100%, absolutely necessary for using the phone. I cannot use any phone without it. Critical root-only capabilities:
full system backups (in twrp)
titanium backup
disable updates permanently (update ONLY when want to)
app freezers (app quarantine)
disable/remove bloatware
disable google play services/google play
automate/tasker
cf lumen
adblockers
wifi tether
busybox
superuser
ssh tunnel
update android to later version / install custom roms
optimize system
button mapper
custom theming / substratum
nav gestures
tidypanel
xposed
root explorer
app privacy customizations
3c all-in-one toolbox
more
Without root, the phone is unusable to me. I will never buy any phone without root capability. I am willing to go to different carriers just to get root on the device, or go to different manufacturers if root is blocked. For example, I will never buy a huawei device - they are locked.

I would like to say yes but I can't. the stock apps are very well designed.
The biggest concern is that custom Roms are released faster than modded apps.
For example I tried about ten GCAMs and all of them have a bug... and it becomes more complicated with Exynos.
OpenGcam is not worth samsung app.
Unable to get voice match to work.
Alarms that you can't set to a specific day with the google app.
And so on.
Root is useful when the manufacturer no longer updates the devices.
I regret having Root mine because I lost Samsung Pay and other things.

DemotionFR said:
I would like to say yes but I can't. the stock apps are very well designed.
The biggest concern is that custom Roms are released faster than modded apps.
For example I tried about ten GCAMs and all of them have a bug... and it becomes more complicated with Exynos.
OpenGcam is not worth samsung app.
Unable to get voice match to work.
Alarms that you can't set to a specific day with the google app.
And so on.
Root is useful when the manufacturer no longer updates the devices.
I regret having Root mine because I lost Samsung Pay and other things.
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The only one that would have any consequence of rooting is Samsung Pay.

xbt- said:
Root is 100%, absolutely necessary for using the phone. I cannot use any phone without it. Critical root-only capabilities:
full system backups (in twrp)
titanium backup
disable updates permanently (update ONLY when want to)
app freezers (app quarantine)
disable/remove bloatware
disable google play services/google play
automate/tasker
cf lumen
adblockers
wifi tether
busybox
superuser
ssh tunnel
update android to later version / install custom roms
optimize system
button mapper
custom theming / substratum
nav gestures
tidypanel
xposed
root explorer
app privacy customizations
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Without root, the phone is unusable to me. I will never buy any phone without root capability. I am willing to go to different carriers just to get root on the device, or go to different manufacturers if root is blocked. For example, I will never buy a huawei device - they are locked.
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can you carrier /network unlock with the root >?

NickosD said:
Tbh root is not needed, unless you want to use a custom rom. Most things are already in the android now.
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No, even if you wanna use custom rom you don't need to root. Just pick the rom with the apps you want or just use the gapps packages you want, if want essential to work gapps then use pico or nano. If there is still something you want to remove and the romdoesn't allow, just use adb shell commands and thats it. Less issues with banks not working because of Magisk (root). I know Magisk has a feature to hide itself, change its name but depending on the app, the libs can be found and know that is Magisk, so for security purposes some apps don't work and some aren't even shown in the Google Play Store just because you rooted the device.

logandavid said:
maybe now the root is not needed but later down the road when your phone will get obsolete and newer android OS updates will be halted for S10+ then you'll be more attracted towards custom roms. Actually it is just personal preference.
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It's happening right now, I doubt S10+ will receive Android 13 and now just security and bug fix updates are being shipped by Samsung.

Haknor said:
It's happening right now, I doubt S10+ will receive Android 13 and now just security and bug fix updates are being shipped by Samsung.
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It won't get any new Android upgrades AFAIK.
But appart from tripping knox, what else do I lose if I unlock my bootloader? I read once, quite a while ago, that the battery is limited to 80% of its full capacity. Is that true?

io_gh0st said:
It won't get any new Android upgrades AFAIK.
But appart from tripping knox, what else do I lose if I unlock my bootloader? I read once, quite a while ago, that the battery is limited to 80% of its full capacity. Is that true?
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Depending on the version, you'll notice stock camera to be limited or not work as expected, secure folder, dual messenger either not working, it can trigger some banks or payment apps (especially if you root), no more ota updates (if you keep using stock rom), drm content can stop working, samsung pay, Play Store might limited the apps you see and so on... Not sure about the battery, for me unlocking the bootloader and switching to another rom made my battery last more than stock, but it depends on the rom, the device, it's not a rule of thumb.