Hey there,
I've owned the Note 10+ (Exynos) since release and i haven't rooted it once. I remember the last phone is the note 8 and i did root it, but i remember when i wanted to return to stock to sell that phone i ran into some trouble.
For example the Samsung Pass, Samsung Health Apps etc... don't work anymore after your root your phone, is this still a thing ? Because i'm considering rooting the note 10+ now and i need to know if i can successfully get everything back the way it was before rooting ?
Any help or advice would be appreciated, thanks
Warnahly said:
Hey there,
I've owned the Note 10+ (Exynos) since release and i haven't rooted it once. I remember the last phone is the note 8 and i did root it, but i remember when i wanted to return to stock to sell that phone i ran into some trouble.
For example the Samsung Pass, Samsung Health Apps etc... don't work anymore after your root your phone, is this still a thing ? Because i'm considering rooting the note 10+ now and i need to know if i can successfully get everything back the way it was before rooting ?
Any help or advice would be appreciated, thanks
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hello. yes rooting is a bit of a problem nowadays. Samsung REALLY does not want you to root their Androids for whatever reason. Here are the disadvantages:
1) When you power up the device, a FILTHY boot-up screen pops up and takes 8 seconds and a button press to fully boot the device [see the full details and EXYNOS ONLY bypass here: Boot Pop up remove
2) The KNOX counter [hardware fuse] trips and goes 0x1 [Some devices get OTA updates after locking the bootloader and flashing full ODIN stock, but didn't happen for me. Also it voids the warranty]
3) All the KNOX secured apps [Secure Folder, Samsung Health, Pay etc.] will NOT work [there are bypasses for Samsung Health, Samsung Music and Secure Folder but say goodbye to Samsung Pay]
4) Samsung will refuse to repair your phone and you have to look at 3rd Party options to repair if anything goes wrong. [no bypass to that]
5) Once you unlock the bootloader, you can never lock it again [ idk much about this one, some people say you can lock it again. Gotta look it up ]
Also rooting with TWRP in of itself is a gigantic hassle nowadays [I really miss the days when we could just flash TWRP with ODIN and call it a day].
NullCode said:
hello. yes rooting is a bit of a problem nowadays. Samsung REALLY does not want you to root their Androids for whatever reason. Here are the disadvantages:
1) When you power up the device, a FILTHY boot-up screen pops up and takes 8 seconds and a button press to fully boot the device [see the full details and EXYNOS ONLY bypass here: Boot Pop up remove
2) The KNOX counter trips and goes 0x1 [This will prevent you from ever getting OTA updates and it voids the warranty]
3) All the KNOX secured apps [Secure Folder, Samsung Health, Pay etc.] will NOT work [there are bypasses for Samsung Health, Samsung Music and Secure Folder but say goodbye to Samsung Pay]
4) Samsung will refuse to repair your phone and you have to look at 3rd Party options to repair if anything goes wrong. [no bypass to that]
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I mean as far as the boot up issue its fixed so that's fine, in terms of the counter, even if i restored the stock rom and removed root i won't ever get OTA updates ?
Ahhh i seriously hate samsung now ! let me mess up my phone the way i want
Well, that is the price to pay to really ensure a safe device, specially when using banking apps, and corporative enviroments, knox is really good in this regard, the e-fuse is a total warranty for knowing if a device is compromised at deep levels, so, that is how things are these days…
The e-fuse status (0x1) on the bootloader screen can be spoofed to look like it hasn't. Just checking the bootloader before purchasing a 2nd hand device is no longer a guarantee that you have a "secure" device...
This means that if you do get a device that looks secure you might actually get a few nasty surprises when certain apps just won't work or if you try to flash OTA updates yourself through ODIN...
Buyer beware...
Warnahly said:
I mean as far as the boot up issue its fixed so that's fine, in terms of the counter, even if i restored the stock rom and removed root i won't ever get OTA updates ?
Ahhh i seriously hate samsung now ! let me mess up my phone the way i want
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yup. even after you full flash stock, it's still gonna be 0x1 and no more OTA updates. But you still can do firmware updates with ODIN (remember it wipes everything including the Internal Storage). Tons of guides on Google, find one.
Just a tiny correction to this thread: it's not true that you can "never" get ota updates ever again. If you flash stock again, you will receive OTAs.
Source: my previously rooted note10+.
As for samsung pay, my country doesn't support it, so no loss there, s-health you get working with a build.prop line, and secure folder is more or less a gimmick for me. As for getting your phone warrantied, i had my friend get his rooted s6e+ replaced for dead camera pixels with no issues. And from what i read european countries have laws separating hardware warranties from software. But i could be wrong on this.
With that being said, unless you have a specialised application for it, rooting isn't worth it anymore imo. It was back when touchwiz was a bloated pos and flashing cyanogenmod gave you a really noticeable advantage, but samsung caught up software wise.
Rooting and installing a custom rom takes me back to good old htc hd2 days.... I've rooted all my phones up to the original pixel. After further looking into rooting and how it can affect security I decided to opt out of rooting for the next 4-5 years. I feel like back then, the OS weren't this customizable as todays phones are. I do miss Xposed Frameworks though
As some posters above say, unless you want very, very badly some app that requires root, it is not worth the hassle and the security issues, I really loved Viper sound, which requires root, but, I decided not to root since the note 7, now samsung one UI gives a very good customization, I do apreciate Knox, and some banking and streaming apps refuse to work on rooted devices, so, I said bye to viper…
Not being rooted, I really miss titanium backup. Every time I get a new phone I end up losing progress or data in some app or other, usually a game. There was one game I had spent a decent bit of money on, years ago now, on my note 4, and it didn't transfer properly to my note 7, and I lost all my progress and the money I had spent on it.
I really feel like consumer protection laws should mandate that the manufacturers can't make rooting impossible like they do. I don't care about losing knox or Samsung apps, heck, part of why I root is to get that crap I don't use off my phone! I miss lineageos. Samsung's android customization isn't to my taste.
I agree with you about root, somebody buys a phone, therefore that person should be able to do anything to it, but, for other part, if rooting is all that important for you, you might very well cosidered getting a rootable device, I rooted my devices in the past, begining with a S3, these days I just miss Viper, but, considering how samsung has progressed with itd UI, I no longer think about root, furthermore, I use a number of apps that do not work when root is detected, so, in the end every one has to think carefully what really needs before getting a device
the only thing i miss on stock, are proper backups as in TWRP or in Titanium Backup, as a lot of things are not restorable with SmartSwitch. also i miss the possibility to completely uninstall bloatware like facebook or netflix and others. i see no reason, why these are part of the OS. CCSWE is quite a big help in that matter, though. for OTA, you can have them, when you re-lock the bootloader and odin stock on the device (at least on the S10+)
blackspy_ said:
the only thing i miss on stock, are proper backups as in TWRP or in Titanium Backup, as a lot of things are not restorable with SmartSwitch. also i miss the possibility to completely uninstall bloatware like facebook or netflix and others. i see no reason, why these are part of the OS. CCSWE is quite a big help in that matter, though. for OTA, you can have them, when you re-lock the bootloader and odin stock on the device (at least on the S10+)
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as for backup I think I heard about a software called helium, which backs up apps w/o root. Also you can disable/remove bloatware using a PC and ADB w/o root. Here you go: https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/
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Rainbow_Dash said:
Just a tiny correction to this thread: it's not true that you can "never" get ota updates ever again. If you flash stock again, you will receive OTAs.
Source: my previously rooted note10+.
As for samsung pay, my country doesn't support it, so no loss there, s-health you get working with a build.prop line, and secure folder is more or less a gimmick for me. As for getting your phone warrantied, i had my friend get his rooted s6e+ replaced for dead camera pixels with no issues. And from what i read european countries have laws separating hardware warranties from software. But i could be wrong on this.
With that being said, unless you have a specialised application for it, rooting isn't worth it anymore imo. It was back when touchwiz was a bloated pos and flashing cyanogenmod gave you a really noticeable advantage, but samsung caught up software wise.
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thanks a lot for correcting me. Even after I flashed full stock on my Tab S3, it would not detect OTA updates and some updates totally soft-bricked it. Editing my post for correction
i went fir CCSWE,regarding disabling.
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I've been "out of the loop" for quite some time and much has happened to Samsung devices since my last one (Samsung i9000). Basically it is the terror stories about this Knox security thing that mostly concern me and brought me here...
I mean I like this tablet, I trully do, but if I'm robbed by android's main advantage (modifying the thing to suit your needs) then I have absolutely no reason to choose this.
I have already read a a couple of stuff but they are all concerned about s4 and note 3. What about this tablet (the WiFi version), is it ... secured too? Also I'm a bit unclear of what this Knox thing achieves, at first it voids your warranty, second does not let you to flash certain ROMs, but I'm unclear from/on which ROMs this is enabled or even if merely rooting your device would enable this. I mean someone may not be interested in aosp ROMs but still love some "optimized stock + custom kernel" will this Knox thing prevent him even from that?
If this is proved an unmodifiable device I'd think twice for it's usefulness, android's only edge is its "modifiability" remove it and you buy sth 2nd or 3rd tier...
Stevethegreat said:
I've been "out of the loop" for quite some time and much has happened to Samsung devices since my last one (Samsung i9000). Basically it is the terror stories about this Knox security thing that mostly concern me and brought me here...
I mean I like this tablet, I trully do, but if I'm robbed by android's main advantage (modifying the thing to suit your needs) then I have absolutely no reason to choose this.
I have already read a a couple of stuff but they are all concerned about s4 and note 3. What about this tablet (the WiFi version), is it ... secured too? Also I'm a bit unclear of what this Knox thing achieves, at first it voids your warranty, second does not let you to flash certain ROMs, but I'm unclear from/on which ROMs this is enabled or even if merely rooting your device would enable this. I mean someone may not be interested in aosp ROMs but still love some "optimized stock + custom kernel" will this Knox thing prevent him even from that?
If this is proved an unmodifiable device I'd think twice for it's usefulness, android's only edge is its "modifiability" remove it and you buy sth 2nd or 3rd tier...
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You can still root and modify things, however, Samsung has taken the stance that since Knox has been tripped you must've been running Custom firmware/apps that can "potentially" damage the hardware so all warranties (at least from Samsung) are void....
The other issue is Samsung are updating bootloaders when you install firmware updates. If you happen to get a new bootloader then you CAN'T go back to a lower version of firmware, period... Doing so generally results in bootloops or stuck on Samsung logo until you update to the newer firmware again...
The downside to this is the nandroid backup you took just before updating in case of a problem is rendered useless, and in the case of the Note 3, Kies no longer recognises the new bootloaders so emergency firmware restore doesn't work...
Knox also tries to deny any app root access, some messenger programs were denied access as their permissions required root access. SuperSu has been updated now to work with no problems, until Samsung decide to interfere again....
Knox is also a secure container for your data, it was meant for security agencies and such to have a secure passworded partition in the software that doesn't allow anyone but the person with the passcode to access it. This is disabled after rooting as the system has been modified and can no longer be deemed secure....
ultramag69 said:
You can still root and modify things, however, Samsung has taken the stance that since Knox has been tripped you must've been running Custom firmware/apps that can "potentially" damage the hardware so all warranties (at least from Samsung) are void....
The other issue is Samsung are updating bootloaders when you install firmware updates. If you happen to get a new bootloader then you CAN'T go back to a lower version of firmware, period... Doing so generally results in bootloops or stuck on Samsung logo until you update to the newer firmware again...
The downside to this is the nandroid backup you took just before updating in case of a problem is rendered useless, and in the case of the Note 3, Kies no longer recognises the new bootloaders so emergency firmware restore doesn't work...
Knox also tries to deny any app root access, some messenger programs were denied access as their permissions required root access. SuperSu has been updated now to work with no problems, until Samsung decide to interfere again....
Knox is also a secure container for your data, it was meant for security agencies and such to have a secure passworded partition in the software that doesn't allow anyone but the person with the passcode to access it. This is disabled after rooting as the system has been modified and can no longer be deemed secure....
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So Knox is more about controlling your device than security as it is not optional (you cannot turn it off , right). Also about losing the warranty, well I was hoping to buy it from a reputable store in my country, even if Samsung voids my warranty can't the store itself honor it?
If not, if in fact merely rooting your device voids my warranty whatsoever than I'm most certain that this is not a device for me and I'm not sure for whom it is, I don't think android is a good os when decoupled from rooted apps (no xposed framework, no adblock, no virtual buttons, no gestures, no greenify), the experience is basically killed...
Even jail breaking your iPad doesn't kill the warranty as long as you install non jail broken iOS version on top... Bad Samsung, bad
OK, since I actually want to give this tablet a go I came up with a new idea. What if I trip up the Knox counter but then get back to stock firmware and *then* my tablet gets damaged? Would then my warranty be honored? The Knox counter can only tell you that it was tripped *once* but not what is/was happening at the time you got a defect.
Maybe my battery died, or more than a handful pixels died on me, all having nothing to do with me rooting my device at some point. Can my rooting still be grounds for samsung to dismiss my warranty? Because if so that is quite a scheme that Samsung runs.
Do any people had their warranty honored even though the Knox counter was tripped?
If you have a squaretrade warranty you should be fine with that excuse. However, Samsung will say that they cannot tell if the damaged occurred before or after the rooting occurred, thus denying you your warranty. Once the counter is tripped, from that point on the warranty is gone. My recommendation, get a squaretrade for 100 with a 2 year warranty and you will be fine.
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Hi guys i havent been in the forums in a while and i thoght about rooting my device cause i formatted my phone and lost a bunch of pics that i want to recover. long story short i have tryied many apps and none seem to be able to recover the deleted pics. the only one so far that people claim that can do it is DiskDigger or something like it, but for it to fully work it needs ROOT. so my problem is that unless there is a 100% way of getting my deleted pics which at this point i doubt, then lets please proceed.
Since i need to ROOT im gonna give you guys my phone specs so you guys can get a picture and advice me better cause i dont want to mess up this phone cause is my daily driver.
SPECS:
T-Mobile
S6 Edge 128GB (SM-G925T)
Android: 5.1.1
Baseband: G925TUVS3DOJC
Kernel: 3.10.61-5756057
Build: LMY47X.G927TUVS3DOJC
Knox: 2.4.1
Device Status: Official
and the Download Screen Displays This:
ODIN MODE
Product name: SM-G925T
Curent Binary: Samsung Official
System Status: Official
FAP Lock: OFF
Secure Download: Enabled (blue letters)
Knox Warranty VOID: 0 (0x0000)
AP SWAREV: B:3 K:2 S:2
is everything here ok? does anything seem ok in my phone? is it rootable?
ok first of all let me say that i do not care about the pay methods but i do care about losing other functionality like fingerprint scanner of LTE and less battery life and stuff like that. mine last me about a whole day with moderate use and some gaming in between.
i want basically to ROOT my phone and if possible and available without tripping the cursed knox so i can if available intall a custom recovery so i can backup and restore my phone from (on that actually works) cause i coulnt for the life of my phone NEVER restore from an image done by my S4 with TWRP or i never knew how to do it cause when i tryied it to fully wipe ended up having to reinstall the full firmware and rooting from scratch.
Also if available which apps and in which directories can be frozen and which ones can be unistalled cause im tired of facebook and instagram and Tmo useless crapware.
Sorry for the long and winded speech but this phone is almost a $1000 and i dont have insurance anymore and if knox tripped samsung wont fix or exchange.
thanks in advanced
have a nice day
sorry for the length again
Apparently you have done some reading (and if not, start reading) because you are mentioning all or most of the issues that some folks are experiencing with this phone when attempting to root with latest firmware updates. ( Not to mention the bricks. )
At first release it was possible with little consequences but that changed in a hurry with updates and with every update it becomes harder and more dangerous to root safely.
There is very little going on in development, just some rehashed versions of the old firmware and in the international forum there are some roms that lose a lot of features you want.
If you really need and rely on your expensive phone and need all features working, leave it stock.
As for your lost images, well your going to have to use your imagination and try to remember what they were.
I was a diehard rooter with all my devices until I met up with this Samsung 6Edge, I love the phone and am a big fan of Samsung so I'm sticking with stock debloated for now, I'm learning to live "stock" and enjoying my phone with all features working properly.
Pp.
PanchoPlanet said:
Apparently you have done some reading (and if not, start reading) because you are mentioning all or most of the issues that some folks are experiencing with this phone when attempting to root with latest firmware updates. ( Not to mention the bricks. )
At first release it was possible with little consequences but that changed in a hurry with updates and with every update it becomes harder and more dangerous to root safely.
There is very little going on in development, just some rehashed versions of the old firmware and in the international forum there are some roms that lose a lot of features you want.
If you really need and rely on your expensive phone and need all features working, leave it stock.
As for your lost images, well your going to have to use your imagination and try to remember what they were.
I was a diehard rooter with all my devices until I met up with this Samsung 6Edge, I love the phone and am a big fan of Samsung so I'm sticking with stock debloated for now, I'm learning to live "stock" and enjoying my phone with all features working properly.
Pp.
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How do you debloat if you don't have root? are you just disabling the bloatware apps?
3RAN7ON said:
How do you debloat if you don't have root? are you just disabling the bloatware apps?
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Yes, disabling all and any bloatware that gives you the option to disable.
When my phone is sitting idle it goes into 99% deep sleep.
With light use I'll get 30 + hours from a charge.
I don't subscribe to Facebook or any of those social media apps and for games I have a Tab2 running CM. I basically use my phone for calls, messages and photos and a couple of forums.
Pp.
Sample of disabled apps.
dr69 said:
Hi guys i havent been in the forums in a while and i thoght about rooting my device cause i formatted my phone and lost a bunch of pics that i want to recover. long story short i have tryied many apps and none seem to be able to recover the deleted pics. the only one so far that people claim that can do it is DiskDigger or something like it, but for it to fully work it needs ROOT. so my problem is that unless there is a 100% way of getting my deleted pics which at this point i doubt, then lets please proceed.
Since i need to ROOT im gonna give you guys my phone specs so you guys can get a picture and advice me better cause i dont want to mess up this phone cause is my daily driver.
SPECS:
T-Mobile
S6 Edge 128GB (SM-G925T)
Android: 5.1.1
Baseband: G925TUVS3DOJC
Kernel: 3.10.61-5756057
Build: LMY47X.G927TUVS3DOJC
Knox: 2.4.1
Device Status: Official
and the Download Screen Displays This:
ODIN MODE
Product name: SM-G925T
Curent Binary: Samsung Official
System Status: Official
FAP Lock: OFF
Secure Download: Enabled (blue letters)
Knox Warranty VOID: 0 (0x0000)
AP SWAREV: B:3 K:2 S:2
is everything here ok? does anything seem ok in my phone? is it rootable?
ok first of all let me say that i do not care about the pay methods but i do care about losing other functionality like fingerprint scanner of LTE and less battery life and stuff like that. mine last me about a whole day with moderate use and some gaming in between.
i want basically to ROOT my phone and if possible and available without tripping the cursed knox so i can if available intall a custom recovery so i can backup and restore my phone from (on that actually works) cause i coulnt for the life of my phone NEVER restore from an image done by my S4 with TWRP or i never knew how to do it cause when i tryied it to fully wipe ended up having to reinstall the full firmware and rooting from scratch.
Also if available which apps and in which directories can be frozen and which ones can be unistalled cause im tired of facebook and instagram and Tmo useless crapware.
Sorry for the long and winded speech but this phone is almost a $1000 and i dont have insurance anymore and if knox tripped samsung wont fix or exchange.
thanks in advanced
have a nice day
sorry for the length again
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I agree with @PanchoPlanet to an extent. There are 2 ways to root the S6 Edge right now. One works just fine with no issues. I have been rooted since I bought the device before Samsung Pay came out. The other way that people have been using to avoid tripping knox will screw up your phone.If you don't care about Samsung Pay then you can simply use CF-Auto root like always. then flash TWRP after you root. The only thing that has made rooting unsafe is the people trying to avoid knox. I keep posting everywhere that people need to stop worrying about knox. Unless you are in a security job or a government job or you want to use Samsung Pay then knox is absolutely of no concern. People worried about getting their device fixed or returning it because of the knox trip, I have read many people were able to without problems.
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This root method works just fine --> Here
Except I use the newest Unikernel --> Here
jmc302005 said:
I agree with @PanchoPlanet to an extent. There are 2 ways to root the S6 Edge right now. One works just fine with no issues. I have been rooted since I bought the device before Samsung Pay came out. The other way that people have been using to avoid tripping knox will screw up your phone.If you don't care about Samsung Pay then you can simply use CF-Auto root like always. then flash TWRP after you root. The only thing that has made rooting unsafe is the people trying to avoid knox. I keep posting everywhere that people need to stop worrying about knox. Unless you are in a security job or a government job or you want to use Samsung Pay then knox is absolutely of no concern. People worried about getting their device fixed or returning it because of the knox trip, I have read many people were able to without problems.
*Edit*
This root method works just fine --> Here
Except I use the newest Unikernel --> Here
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Sorry to ask but did you noticed that my baseband is different from the one in the tutorial? Sorry to ask but are you sure this tuto will work for my current baseband and/or keenel?
Thanks in advanced
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dr69 said:
Sorry to ask but did you noticed that my baseband is different from the one in the tutorial? Sorry to ask but are you sure this tuto will work for my current baseband and/or keenel?
Thanks in advanced
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The baseband doesn't matter the build does. It does work with the build you are on.
Ok so, so far what i have done is just odin the UNIKERNEL which also rooted my phone. Everything is working nice exept for titanium which i already asked in another thread. So my next question is: is it safe to factory restore my phone from the phones menu -->backup and reset-->factory data reset <--
Is this safe and will it still remain rooted so i can install titanium and a custom recovery so i can do a full image?
Can someone plz answer today to see if im able to get my phone up and running by tonite?
Thanks again and in advanced.
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dr6901 said:
Ok so, so far what i have done is just odin the UNIKERNEL which also rooted my phone. Everything is working nice exept for titanium which i already asked in another thread. So my next question is: is it safe to factory restore my phone from the phones menu -->backup and reset-->factory data reset <--
Is this safe and will it still remain rooted so i can install titanium and a custom recovery so i can do a full image?
Can someone plz answer today to see if im able to get my phone up and running by tonite?
Thanks again and in advanced.
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I answered your other thread...go into SuperSU settings, scroll down and untick "mount namespace separation" and you will be good to go...it worked for me...
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Yes and thanks i jist read it. It did work. You are the man
Thanks so much, now how about giving me a hand with this matter
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Plz, any takers? I just need a yes or a no. I dont wanna fo it and then my phone messed up
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Hi guys
It’s been awhile since I had a Samsung phone
Anyhow I remember that if you are rooting your phone I will not be able to go back to stock and keep receiving updates regularly and also the user will not be able to use any Samsung service since there is some security on the device board
I wonder if it’s still the situation in galaxy s21 series
thanks
Yes OTA updates will be disabled for the rooted device. But you can easily install them if you so wish without loosing root by temporarily removing root without rebooting the device. Follow this guide for full process.
As for the services, I didn't hear about a service that's disabled by rooting. But if it happens you can easily replace said services by downloading alternatives or using specific modules in magisk manager.
Thank you
I’m asking because if I will ever want to sell the device it will be impossible
sagiag said:
Thank you
I’m asking because if I will ever want to sell the device it will be impossible
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Not at all.
You can just do this:
Unroot.
Remove Samsung and google account.
Flash stock ROM [Optional, unless you flashed a custom ROM]
Lock the bootloader.
And that's it you can sell it as just lightly used.
I think you wouldn't be able to use Secure Folder after root.
dalanik said:
I think you wouldn't be able to use Secure Folder after root.
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Knox is disabled after rooting, similarly anything knox dependant will be disabled as well. I thought he meant some other services like samsung health or other bloatware.
Hello,
Yesterday, I successfully rooted my Samsung Galaxy S10+. But since I still had some questions about it, I went on and posted a thread here. User Spaceminer then pointed out that my original post was in the wrong subforum and linked me here. Naturally, I looked at some of the most popular posts in hopes to find answers to my questions. But what I found confused me more than it gave me answers.
Since 2014 with the Samsung Galaxy S5 I got used to rooting in order to disable bloatware, protect my data and customize my phone. I continued doing that with the S8+ until I recently got my hands on the S10. Now, my main reason for rooting are still the same; I want disable (not necessarily uninstall) bloatware, protect my privacy and customize my phone (such as changing the background of the dial when calling someone). But that thread made me wonder if it is even essential to root. I also found a similar post on reddit and most answers seem to agree that it is not necessary to root your phones.
Now, my situation is a bit different. For one, I already rooted my phone. Second, I don't care about warranty nor custom ROMs. But I do want to install a banking app. Also, it is a bit cumbersome to not only have to manually update your phone with every update but the booting requirements with the warning screen are also a bit annoying. So, my question is the following:
What are the advantages of rooting that are not possible without? I have 3 main concerns: Bloatware, Privacy and Customization.
The reason why I posted this in a separate threat is that I was not able to come to a definitive conclusion on my own and most discussion threads are over a year old. By now, the whole process of rooting and what is possible changed since then, so I want to get a more recent insight. I hope you can help me out.
With kind regards,
DasMalzbier
Tbh root is not needed, unless you want to use a custom rom. Most things are already in the android now.
Calyx os not make for samsung Galaxy series and 12 update also comes this year so i think rooting is unnecessary for s10 series
Root is 100%, absolutely necessary for using the phone. I cannot use any phone without it. Critical root-only capabilities:
full system backups (in twrp)
titanium backup
disable updates permanently (update ONLY when want to)
app freezers (app quarantine)
disable/remove bloatware
disable google play services/google play
automate/tasker
cf lumen
adblockers
wifi tether
busybox
superuser
ssh tunnel
update android to later version / install custom roms
optimize system
button mapper
custom theming / substratum
nav gestures
tidypanel
xposed
root explorer
app privacy customizations
3c all-in-one toolbox
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Without root, the phone is unusable to me. I will never buy any phone without root capability. I am willing to go to different carriers just to get root on the device, or go to different manufacturers if root is blocked. For example, I will never buy a huawei device - they are locked.
I would like to say yes but I can't. the stock apps are very well designed.
The biggest concern is that custom Roms are released faster than modded apps.
For example I tried about ten GCAMs and all of them have a bug... and it becomes more complicated with Exynos.
OpenGcam is not worth samsung app.
Unable to get voice match to work.
Alarms that you can't set to a specific day with the google app.
And so on.
Root is useful when the manufacturer no longer updates the devices.
I regret having Root mine because I lost Samsung Pay and other things.
DemotionFR said:
I would like to say yes but I can't. the stock apps are very well designed.
The biggest concern is that custom Roms are released faster than modded apps.
For example I tried about ten GCAMs and all of them have a bug... and it becomes more complicated with Exynos.
OpenGcam is not worth samsung app.
Unable to get voice match to work.
Alarms that you can't set to a specific day with the google app.
And so on.
Root is useful when the manufacturer no longer updates the devices.
I regret having Root mine because I lost Samsung Pay and other things.
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The only one that would have any consequence of rooting is Samsung Pay.
xbt- said:
Root is 100%, absolutely necessary for using the phone. I cannot use any phone without it. Critical root-only capabilities:
full system backups (in twrp)
titanium backup
disable updates permanently (update ONLY when want to)
app freezers (app quarantine)
disable/remove bloatware
disable google play services/google play
automate/tasker
cf lumen
adblockers
wifi tether
busybox
superuser
ssh tunnel
update android to later version / install custom roms
optimize system
button mapper
custom theming / substratum
nav gestures
tidypanel
xposed
root explorer
app privacy customizations
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Without root, the phone is unusable to me. I will never buy any phone without root capability. I am willing to go to different carriers just to get root on the device, or go to different manufacturers if root is blocked. For example, I will never buy a huawei device - they are locked.
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can you carrier /network unlock with the root >?
NickosD said:
Tbh root is not needed, unless you want to use a custom rom. Most things are already in the android now.
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No, even if you wanna use custom rom you don't need to root. Just pick the rom with the apps you want or just use the gapps packages you want, if want essential to work gapps then use pico or nano. If there is still something you want to remove and the romdoesn't allow, just use adb shell commands and thats it. Less issues with banks not working because of Magisk (root). I know Magisk has a feature to hide itself, change its name but depending on the app, the libs can be found and know that is Magisk, so for security purposes some apps don't work and some aren't even shown in the Google Play Store just because you rooted the device.
logandavid said:
maybe now the root is not needed but later down the road when your phone will get obsolete and newer android OS updates will be halted for S10+ then you'll be more attracted towards custom roms. Actually it is just personal preference.
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It's happening right now, I doubt S10+ will receive Android 13 and now just security and bug fix updates are being shipped by Samsung.
Haknor said:
It's happening right now, I doubt S10+ will receive Android 13 and now just security and bug fix updates are being shipped by Samsung.
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It won't get any new Android upgrades AFAIK.
But appart from tripping knox, what else do I lose if I unlock my bootloader? I read once, quite a while ago, that the battery is limited to 80% of its full capacity. Is that true?
io_gh0st said:
It won't get any new Android upgrades AFAIK.
But appart from tripping knox, what else do I lose if I unlock my bootloader? I read once, quite a while ago, that the battery is limited to 80% of its full capacity. Is that true?
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Depending on the version, you'll notice stock camera to be limited or not work as expected, secure folder, dual messenger either not working, it can trigger some banks or payment apps (especially if you root), no more ota updates (if you keep using stock rom), drm content can stop working, samsung pay, Play Store might limited the apps you see and so on... Not sure about the battery, for me unlocking the bootloader and switching to another rom made my battery last more than stock, but it depends on the rom, the device, it's not a rule of thumb.
The other day I thought it would be a good idea to root my phone (S20 Ultra Exynos), as it's been many years since I've done it (S6 was my last rooted device).
Anyway, I kept running into issues with connecting to my watch, and getting payment apps working (on account of the root), and decided it was not worth the hassle.
So I unrooted the device via flashing stock firmware in ODIN and locked the bootloader.
I noticed my Samsung Health app didn't work, which was strange. Upon research, I found it was due to Knox being tripped - which was confirmed via downloading a checking app from the play store.
I know that there are patched S Health apps that would allow me to bypass knox, but is there is any way to reset the knox counter so that warranty is no longer void?
Are there also any other implications from this.
So far all my apps work fine, except for health.
Cheers!
It's a micro efuse inside the chipset that blows when you trip Knox.
The only way to fully undo it be to replace the mobo. Yeah... like Fort Knox.
blackhawk said:
It's a micro efuse inside the chipset that blows when you trip Knox.
The only way to fully undo it be to replace the mobo. Yeah... like Fort Knox.
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Thought that might be the case.
Bloody Samsung, that's so ridiculous!
Oh well, I haven't seen any other issues with it tripping so far. Warranty is already void anyway since it's water damaged and have had the screen replaced by others.
Thanks!
You're welcome.
Samsung Pay won't work either or maybe Secure Folder. Not the end of the world...
blackhawk said:
You're welcome.
Samsung Pay won't work either or maybe Secure Folder. Not the end of the world...
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Yeah definitely not the end of the world. I use google pay over samsung, and have never used the secure folder (I use Onedrive Vault).
Are there any other negative effects apart from Samsung Pay, Secure Folder, etc.? I just read that on some older devices the battery life was decreased as well? It's a shame that it can't be undone... I mean, what harm does it do if the phone was rooted (or even attempted to be rooted... it didn't even work!) once. Why should it forever be unsafe from then on? I want to use the phone as stock as possible, original firmware, no root, ...
kadajawi said:
Are there any other negative effects apart from Samsung Pay, Secure Folder, etc.? I just read that on some older devices the battery life was decreased as well? It's a shame that it can't be undone... I mean, what harm does it do if the phone was rooted (or even attempted to be rooted... it didn't even work!) once. Why should it forever be unsafe from then on? I want to use the phone as stock as possible, original firmware, no root, ...
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because yes
123jonSLO said:
It's because samsung doesn't want you to root your phone and wants you to know that there are permanent consequences of you doing so.
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It's so you know the phone's security has been compromised. Rooting and custom roms makes troubleshooting much more difficult.
Can't blame them for not wanting to troubleshoot other people's firmware on top of their hardware.
Stock Samsung's are relatively easy to troubleshoot...
blackhawk said:
It's so you know the phone's security has been compromised. Rooting and custom roms makes troubleshooting much more difficult.
Can't blame them for not wanting to troubleshoot other people's firmware on top of their hardware.
Stock Samsung's are relatively easy to troubleshoot...
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Yeah but knox stays tripped even if you reinstall the official firmware
123jonSLO said:
Yeah but knox stays tripped even if you reinstall the official firmware
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Because the bootloader was compromised. A core component to Knox security.