Hello,
Yesterday, I successfully rooted my Samsung Galaxy S10+. But since I still had some questions about it, I went on and posted a thread here. User Spaceminer then pointed out that my original post was in the wrong subforum and linked me here. Naturally, I looked at some of the most popular posts in hopes to find answers to my questions. But what I found confused me more than it gave me answers.
Since 2014 with the Samsung Galaxy S5 I got used to rooting in order to disable bloatware, protect my data and customize my phone. I continued doing that with the S8+ until I recently got my hands on the S10. Now, my main reason for rooting are still the same; I want disable (not necessarily uninstall) bloatware, protect my privacy and customize my phone (such as changing the background of the dial when calling someone). But that thread made me wonder if it is even essential to root. I also found a similar post on reddit and most answers seem to agree that it is not necessary to root your phones.
Now, my situation is a bit different. For one, I already rooted my phone. Second, I don't care about warranty nor custom ROMs. But I do want to install a banking app. Also, it is a bit cumbersome to not only have to manually update your phone with every update but the booting requirements with the warning screen are also a bit annoying. So, my question is the following:
What are the advantages of rooting that are not possible without? I have 3 main concerns: Bloatware, Privacy and Customization.
The reason why I posted this in a separate threat is that I was not able to come to a definitive conclusion on my own and most discussion threads are over a year old. By now, the whole process of rooting and what is possible changed since then, so I want to get a more recent insight. I hope you can help me out.
With kind regards,
DasMalzbier
Tbh root is not needed, unless you want to use a custom rom. Most things are already in the android now.
Calyx os not make for samsung Galaxy series and 12 update also comes this year so i think rooting is unnecessary for s10 series
Root is 100%, absolutely necessary for using the phone. I cannot use any phone without it. Critical root-only capabilities:
full system backups (in twrp)
titanium backup
disable updates permanently (update ONLY when want to)
app freezers (app quarantine)
disable/remove bloatware
disable google play services/google play
automate/tasker
cf lumen
adblockers
wifi tether
busybox
superuser
ssh tunnel
update android to later version / install custom roms
optimize system
button mapper
custom theming / substratum
nav gestures
tidypanel
xposed
root explorer
app privacy customizations
3c all-in-one toolbox
more
Without root, the phone is unusable to me. I will never buy any phone without root capability. I am willing to go to different carriers just to get root on the device, or go to different manufacturers if root is blocked. For example, I will never buy a huawei device - they are locked.
I would like to say yes but I can't. the stock apps are very well designed.
The biggest concern is that custom Roms are released faster than modded apps.
For example I tried about ten GCAMs and all of them have a bug... and it becomes more complicated with Exynos.
OpenGcam is not worth samsung app.
Unable to get voice match to work.
Alarms that you can't set to a specific day with the google app.
And so on.
Root is useful when the manufacturer no longer updates the devices.
I regret having Root mine because I lost Samsung Pay and other things.
DemotionFR said:
I would like to say yes but I can't. the stock apps are very well designed.
The biggest concern is that custom Roms are released faster than modded apps.
For example I tried about ten GCAMs and all of them have a bug... and it becomes more complicated with Exynos.
OpenGcam is not worth samsung app.
Unable to get voice match to work.
Alarms that you can't set to a specific day with the google app.
And so on.
Root is useful when the manufacturer no longer updates the devices.
I regret having Root mine because I lost Samsung Pay and other things.
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The only one that would have any consequence of rooting is Samsung Pay.
xbt- said:
Root is 100%, absolutely necessary for using the phone. I cannot use any phone without it. Critical root-only capabilities:
full system backups (in twrp)
titanium backup
disable updates permanently (update ONLY when want to)
app freezers (app quarantine)
disable/remove bloatware
disable google play services/google play
automate/tasker
cf lumen
adblockers
wifi tether
busybox
superuser
ssh tunnel
update android to later version / install custom roms
optimize system
button mapper
custom theming / substratum
nav gestures
tidypanel
xposed
root explorer
app privacy customizations
3c all-in-one toolbox
more
Without root, the phone is unusable to me. I will never buy any phone without root capability. I am willing to go to different carriers just to get root on the device, or go to different manufacturers if root is blocked. For example, I will never buy a huawei device - they are locked.
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can you carrier /network unlock with the root >?
NickosD said:
Tbh root is not needed, unless you want to use a custom rom. Most things are already in the android now.
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No, even if you wanna use custom rom you don't need to root. Just pick the rom with the apps you want or just use the gapps packages you want, if want essential to work gapps then use pico or nano. If there is still something you want to remove and the romdoesn't allow, just use adb shell commands and thats it. Less issues with banks not working because of Magisk (root). I know Magisk has a feature to hide itself, change its name but depending on the app, the libs can be found and know that is Magisk, so for security purposes some apps don't work and some aren't even shown in the Google Play Store just because you rooted the device.
logandavid said:
maybe now the root is not needed but later down the road when your phone will get obsolete and newer android OS updates will be halted for S10+ then you'll be more attracted towards custom roms. Actually it is just personal preference.
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It's happening right now, I doubt S10+ will receive Android 13 and now just security and bug fix updates are being shipped by Samsung.
Haknor said:
It's happening right now, I doubt S10+ will receive Android 13 and now just security and bug fix updates are being shipped by Samsung.
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It won't get any new Android upgrades AFAIK.
But appart from tripping knox, what else do I lose if I unlock my bootloader? I read once, quite a while ago, that the battery is limited to 80% of its full capacity. Is that true?
io_gh0st said:
It won't get any new Android upgrades AFAIK.
But appart from tripping knox, what else do I lose if I unlock my bootloader? I read once, quite a while ago, that the battery is limited to 80% of its full capacity. Is that true?
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Depending on the version, you'll notice stock camera to be limited or not work as expected, secure folder, dual messenger either not working, it can trigger some banks or payment apps (especially if you root), no more ota updates (if you keep using stock rom), drm content can stop working, samsung pay, Play Store might limited the apps you see and so on... Not sure about the battery, for me unlocking the bootloader and switching to another rom made my battery last more than stock, but it depends on the rom, the device, it's not a rule of thumb.
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So I downloaded the new Android Pay app last night, but it doesn't seem to work if you have a custom ROM installed. I'm currently on Resurrection and it gives me the error "Google is unable to verify that your device or the software running on it is Android compatible".
This needs to change.
UPDATE - I found a workaround that *may* help out. Go into SuperSU and disable root (or disable however you want), try adding your cards again, and then go re-enable root. This has worked for many people on other phones with this error, but it didn't help on my T-Mobile S4
Let me know if you get it to work on another ROM (or even if it works at all on stock right now)
Dowload - http://www.mediafire.com/download/1bvbsouwtcz9mx2/Android_Pay_1.0.102576552_930000657.apk
deke997 said:
So I downloaded the new Android Pay app last night, but it doesn't seem to work if you have a custom ROM installed. I'm currently on Resurrection and it gives me the error "Google is unable to verify that your device or the software running on it is Android compatible".
This needs to change.
UPDATE - I found a workaround that *may* help out. Go into SuperSU and disable root (or disable however you want), try adding your cards again, and then go re-enable root. This has worked for many people on other phones with this error, but it didn't help on my T-Mobile S4
Let me know if you get it to work on another ROM (or even if it works at all on stock right now)
Dowload - http://www.mediafire.com/download/1bvbsouwtcz9mx2/Android_Pay_1.0.102576552_930000657.apk
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Disabling SuperSU worked for me. It allowed Android Pay to verify my phone.
Not sure I like that I HAVE to have a Lock Screen setup. And, why can't Android Pay have a lock screen built into it like the new Google Wallet does. Wouldn't we want two part authentication?
Rob
I just installed Danvdh's new 5.1 GPE rom and I'm pretty sure Android Pay was already installed. Haven't tested it yet, though. Looking forward to seeing if Xposed will work alright to keep root enabled while using Pay.
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I just installed Danvdh's new 5.1 GPE rom and I'm pretty sure Android Pay was already installed. Haven't tested it yet, though. Looking forward to seeing if Xposed will work alright to keep root enabled while using Pay.
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I re-enabled SuperSU after the install, and it seems to be working. However, it looks like updating also checks root. So, I had to disable root again to have the update to Android Pay take. But, re-enabled root after the update, and things seem to be working.
Rob
You all that state you have it working on T-MO SGH-M919, must be running the T-MO 4.4.4 software. I had it working too - even on a ROOTED 4.4.4. device. Once I install a CyanogenMod Custom LOLLIPOP ROM - and re-installed the AndroidPay, it no longer works. You get the message that ANDROID CANNOT BE VERIFIED (or some crap like that).
Phone works perfect for everything but that...and of course my GoogleWallet was upgraded and no longer has the TAP TO PAY feature...and you cannot get that one back either.
So I guess I need to find out how to get my phone back to STOCK T-MO 4.4.4, none of the downloads anywhere can actually be downloaded any more (unless anyone has a valid link one of those).
Thanks,
*BH*
I'll give you fair warning, as I participated in the lengthy discussion thread over at the Nexus 5 forum (the thread that had the Google developer participating). Here's the lowdown.
Due to liability pressure from Visa, MasterCard, and the others, Android Pay is very...uptight about its operating environment. It basically won't accept any environment it can't trust, and that basically boils down to a system that is stock and unaltered. Anything that can undermine Android's security model (root, custom ROMS, Xposed Framework, etc.) is red-flagged and the app will break. Now, before anyone begins moaning about how Google Wallet worked before, that will be going away soon under pressure from MasterCard. The new system is tokenized and closer to Chip transactions, which is where everyone will be going over the next few months, and under these new rules, if Google can't show due diligence in trying to maintain a chain of trust throughout the transaction (IOW, try their best to ensure a clean environment with no exploitable features), Google faces the bill for instances of fraud. Any attempt to address this problem simply cannot be done the way Android is setup now. Since anything with root access can do anything to the OS, there's just no way to corral this, not even with Marshmallow. Anyone who has used Samsung Pay will notice they take precautions, too. They're a little more lenient with root because they can protect the chain with Knox. Trip Knox and Samsung Pay balks.
Odds are, this development may make phone manufacturers turn back to things like Secure Elements (or some other system outside Android's scope) to provide a way to ensure a chain of trust even with root present. That's likely why Apple isn't too concerned with Apple Pay working with jailbroken phones (all Apple Pay-ready iPhones carry Secure Elements). Until further development, that's just the way it is with Android Pay.
I need some help and I've looked all over but the information is fragmented and there is too many unfamiliar acronyms used which make it incredibly difficult for some like myself to catch up. So for the benefit of others who may be new I wanted to get some additional guidance.
I got the Pixel XL Google Version
Objectives:
1. Root with the ability to hide root so other apps will work
2. Native Mobile Hotspot
3. The ability to easily receive android updates without having to reflash etc..
4. Stay close to stock if possible, but willing to explore other options as long as security is trusted, and has good
compatibility.
5. Security is a concern, I tried a rom in the past with a Galaxy S4 and swear it had a backdoor installed in the rom.
What do you guys recommend? And how do I go about doing it?
Thank you!
If security is truly a concern you will not unlock your bootloader and root your phone.
Otherwise it all depends on which version phone you have, Verizon or Google?
1. You need magisk root for that.
3. No updates when you are rooted
4.5. Never heard of any custom rom with a backdoor. That's absolutely bull****. More likely it was an app you installed.
Unlocked bootloader is a security issue, so better to stay on full stock.
Root is a big security issue so better stay on full stock.
Jokes aside the only security issue is your phone gets stolen or you install apps outside playstore.
If you stay encrypted and use a hard pattern with fingerprint you are fine and there is always the way to delete your phone when it gets stolen.
mikaole said:
1. You need magisk root for that.
3. No updates when you are rooted
4.5. Never heard of any custom rom with a backdoor. That's absolutely bull****. More likely it was an app you installed.
Unlocked bootloader is a security issue, so better to stay on full stock.
Root is a big security issue so better stay on full stock.
I have the Pixel XL - Google Version
Jokes aside the only security issue is your phone gets stolen or you install apps outside playstore.
If you stay encrypted and use a hard pattern with fingerprint you are fine and there is always the way to delete your phone when it gets stolen.
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My point about security really was that it's quite possible a ROM could have a backdoor. That a side..
Root is not a big security issue for me as long as the rom is trusted etc..
Shouldn't I be able to turn root off then be able to update and turn it back on again?
jadensmith said:
1. Root with the ability to hide root so other apps will work
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It's possible to root to one slot with SuperSU while the other slot remains unrooted, and then the phone can be switched between slots with TWRP or fastboot commands. Kernels have been posted with safetynet patches, to hide that the bootloader is unlocked, but I'm not sure if any are available with the software version on my phone's current slot. As noted, Magisk can also hide root and that the bootloader is unlocked, so it's probably less hassle than trying to root and hide using SuperSU.
3. The ability to easily receive android updates without having to reflash etc.
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FlashFire can use the OTA to update and stay rooted with SuperSU. The past couple months I've used FlashFire to update my phone, and it seems quicker and easier than the sideloading and reinstalling process I had been using. I'm not aware of anything similar to FlashFire for Magisk users, so to me it seems like you would have to decide if 1 or 3 is more personally important.
jadensmith said:
Shouldn't I be able to turn root off then be able to update and turn it back on again?
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While reading I got the impression that I might be able to uninstall SuperSU and use the OTA update, but that didn't work with SuperSU the times I tried it, so I presume something SuperSU changed or something I did with root must have caused the update to fail. I haven't read the Magisk threads as much, yet I've seen that other SuperSU users also indicate that OTA updates no longer worked for them after rooting the phone.
alluringreality said:
It's possible to root to one slot with SuperSU while the other slot remains unrooted, and then the phone can be switched between slots with TWRP or fastboot commands. Kernels have been posted with safetynet patches, to hide that the bootloader is unlocked, but I'm not sure if any are available with the software version on my phone's current slot. As noted, Magisk can also hide root and that the bootloader is unlocked, so it's probably less hassle than trying to root and hide using SuperSU.
FlashFire can use the OTA to update and stay rooted with SuperSU. The past couple months I've used FlashFire to update my phone, and it seems quicker and easier than the sideloading and reinstalling process I had been using. I'm not aware of anything similar to FlashFire for Magisk users, so to me it seems like you would have to decide if 1 or 3 is more personally important.
That didn't work with SuperSU the times I tried it, so I presumed that something I did with root must have caused the update to fail to install.
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Wow thanks for the great reply! It's so refreshing!
What do you mean by root one slot?
The phone has two "slots" for Android. The basic idea is that you have two copies of Android on the phone that share the same user data. On a stock phone it's intended to allow for less noticeable updates, and it also can allow the phone to fall back to the previous software version if something goes wrong with an update. On the May update my phone did automatically switch between slots, due to what is discussed in the second link below. The first link below gives some information and additional links to discussion about the slots on these phones.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-partition-changes-and-new-fastboot-commands/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...signing-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606
Is it possible to keep stock or near stock and just have root with the ability to hide root, and hotspot?
That's all I really need. What would be the best way to to do this?
Hello XDA, I am new to Android world since two days ago with my new OnePlus 5t.
I was an iPhone user ever since, but i sold my iPhone 6 because I needed a newer phone with bigger screen and utilities!
I can't afford high Apple prices of iPhone X so here I am in the Android community with my new 5T!
I set up my new phone, I installed Nova Launcher and I think I am good with the settings I've decided to use. However I am still exploring Android world and I am searching for apps and modifications I could use and could help me.
So, can you suggest some must have apps or modifications and moves that someone is good to do in the Android and especially on OnePlus 5T that I might not know?
And for the end, I bought the Karbon Case with the glass protector. Should I remove and change the pre installed glass that OnePlus have or should I keep the pre installed glass until is full of scratches and I can't use it anymore and then install the one I bought?
I hear some people say that with the pre installed glass on I "loose" a lot of the screen quality and have more fingerprints on my screen. Is that true? And is the original protector better than this?
I've written an article here, sorry for the big amount of questions, but I am new to this and I would love a little help!
Have a good day and a happy new year!
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I'll reply about software mods. I will ignore Root & custom recovery as you are new to android & FREEDOM. Consider Root etc as advanced. Aftewer reading tutorials you can decise next move.
1st - review Nova Launcher. Consider installing it, consider buying pro version.
What is Nova: an app which displays your home screen & app drawer (where all your app icons exist). It is highly customisable & extends your android experience.
2nd - Custom icon packs & themes
What they are: android lets you change app icons, made much easier by using Nova launcher. There are free & paid icon packs in Play Sore. They can be changed system wide.
Themes
hmm you may need to Root to get full themes...read up on substratum and OOS, see what you learn. YOu can change the look of EVERYTHING with substratum.
tweeny80 said:
I'll reply about software mods. I will ignore Root & custom recovery as you are new to android & FREEDOM. Consider Root etc as advanced. Aftewer reading tutorials you can decise next move.
1st - review Nova Launcher. Consider installing it, consider buying pro version.
What is Nova: an app which displays your home screen & app drawer (where all your app icons exist). It is highly customisable & extends your android experience.
2nd - Custom icon packs & themes
What they are: android lets you change app icons, made much easier by using Nova launcher. There are free & paid icon packs in Play Sore. They can be changed system wide.
Themes
hmm you may need to Root to get full themes...read up on substratum and OOS, see what you learn. YOu can change the look of EVERYTHING with substratum.
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Thank you a lot for the reply!
I surely not thinking about rooting for the time being until I learn a lot more about the phone and Android. In addition to that many users say that rooting in this device with this software is kind of unnecessary and it has only a small impact and amount of stuff to offer! Is this nevertheless true?
I 've already bought Nova Launcher and it's incredible program with a lot of features!
I'll search for icon packs in Play Store!
What's different with a theme except wallpaper and icons?
Is there any other program or tool except look customization that it might be useful?
Thank you again !
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You can do quite some stuff with your device if you root it. But, you can do a lot without root as well...
If you do decide to root, remember that you're going to have to unlock the bootloader (there are guides all over xda and it's not difficult) and that will wipe your device. ALWAYS keep a backup of important files...
There are currently two major ways to go if you want to root: Magisk or SuperSU.
Unfortunately, SuperSU has been sold to a company that seems to really have dropped the ball and are losing a lot of the trust that @Chainfire built up over the years. It's also closed source, something that can be considered an issue with this kind of software.
Magisk is open source and very actively maintained and developed. That does sometimes cause some instabilities and there's currently some issues with OnePlus Oreo releases and Magisk v15.1. As long as you do your homework before flashing anything you should be good though.
And, ALWAYS keep a backup of important files.
Once rooted there are two fun things for modifying your device: Magisk and Xposed.
Magisk can inject modified files into your system without actually touching the system files. This is useful if you want to keep your device untouched so that you can update it with OTA updates. It also helps with hiding root and some modifications from apps and services that don't work on rooted devices (i.e. banking apps, SafetyNet, etc).
Xposed injects code into your system and alters how apps work in major ways. This can be made systemless as well with the help of Magisk by installing Xposed as a Magisk module. With Xposed there's hardly any restrictions on what kind of modifications can be done... In theory. Not currently available on Android Oreo, but from what it sounds like, it's not that far away. Xposed is one of those mods that are really hard to hide, so if you need to use something like SafetyNet, systemless is the way to go since you then can disable and enable it when needed.
There's a lot to read, so (again) make sure you do your homework before doing anything.
And, ALWAYS keep a backup of important files.
Didgeridoohan said:
You can do quite some stuff with your device if you root it. But, you can do a lot without root as well...
If you do decide to root, remember that you're going to have to unlock the bootloader (there are guides all over xda and it's not difficult) and that will wipe your device. ALWAYS keep a backup of important files...
There are currently two major ways to go if you want to root: Magisk or SuperSU.
Unfortunately, SuperSU has been sold to a company that seems to really have dropped the ball and are losing a lot of the trust that @Chainfire built up over the years. It's also closed source, something that can be considered an issue with this kind of software.
Magisk is open source and very actively maintained and developed. That does sometimes cause some instabilities and there's currently some issues with OnePlus Oreo releases and Magisk v15.1. As long as you do your homework before flashing anything you should be good though.
And, ALWAYS keep a backup of important files.
Once rooted there are two fun things for modifying your device: Magisk and Xposed.
Magisk can inject modified files into your system without actually touching the system files. This is useful if you want to keep your device untouched so that you can update it with OTA updates. It also helps with hiding root and some modifications from apps and services that don't work on rooted devices (i.e. banking apps, SafetyNet, etc).
Xposed injects code into your system and alters how apps work in major ways. This can be made systemless as well with the help of Magisk by installing Xposed as a Magisk module. With Xposed there's hardly any restrictions on what kind of modifications can be done... In theory. Not currently available on Android Oreo, but from what it sounds like, it's not that far away. Xposed is one of those mods that are really hard to hide, so if you need to use something like SafetyNet, systemless is the way to go since you then can disable and enable it when needed.
There's a lot to read, so (again) make sure you do your homework before doing anything.
And, ALWAYS keep a backup of important files.
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I am sure that I have to learn Android first and then root!
I read about Magisk and I think is the best way to root my device!
Currently though I can't find any reason to root. I used to have iOS so the modifications I can do to my phone without root are already a lot!
When I learn Android and read a lot more about rooting my device and feel that I need it, I will!
I have backup of my device to On, but is this the best way to backup?
Is there any way that backups all my settings, apps and appearance of my phone??
So that I can restore exactly the same image of my phone as it is now and after rooting?
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AkriPro said:
I am sure that I have to learn Android first and then root!
I read about Magisk and I think is the best way to root my device!
Currently though I can't find any reason to root. I used to have iOS so the modifications I can do to my phone without root are already a lot!
When I learn Android and read a lot more about rooting my device and feel that I need it, I will!
I have backup of my device to On, but is this the best way to backup?
Is there any way that backups all my settings, apps and appearance of my phone??
So that I can restore exactly the same image of my phone as it is now and after rooting?
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I will tell you, though, that you shouldn't be too scared of rooting. I rooted my very first Android device back in like 2011, and as long as you just follow the instructions, there is really almost no way to muck anything up. Also, after you unlock your bootloader, you can always recover from (AFAIK) any software error.
Also, I would also say there is not nearly as much reason to root these days and almost anything can be had without it (especially with some new stuff in Oreo), but if you're still on Nougat (Android version 7), then you might want to have a look at Substratum (which is a theming engine for Android). Substratum is pretty much the reason I root, so I can theme my whole phone to be dark grey and black (with Mono/Art and Swift Black) with the simplest procedure (since there's this rootless Substratum module called Andromeda for Oreo, but I haven't even checked it out yet, despite being on an 8.0 AOSP ROM). Of course, you might already like the the theming options the 5T has (and Substratum Legacy support, which is all OxygenOS regrettably has, is really not that great anyway), but it's something to consider in the future.
Also, the best way to back up everything is to get a custom recovery (which needs an unlocked bootloader etc) and backing up from there. I've done that in the past, though, and it has failed to restore often (and I don't profess to being super knowledgeable about it, so I may have mucked something up, but if you're completely new to Android anyway, then that might be a fear worth having). These days, I just use Titanium Backup to back up individual apps, because with Titanium Backup, you can back up an app so that all of the app's settings are kept (which is especially useful for something like Nova Launcher, so that it keeps all of your settings and you can just restore it and use it the way it was before). With that said, Titanium Backup also needs root. The best way to rootlessly back up is...whatever Google back-up options are in the settings, I think.
With that said, just so we're on the same page, you should know that rooting does not wipe your device - unlocking your bootloader does. After you unlock your bootloader, you can root or unroot and you won't lose your data. I'm a pretty reckless person with warranty generally, so I always unlock the bootloader on every new Android I get almost immediately, so I won't have to wipe after that, but you should keep in mind that it does "void warranty" (though I sent in my bootlooping Nexus 6P - which had an unlocked bootloader - to Huawei, and they didn't mind at all, sending me a new 6P as a replacement).
This is a OnePlus device. Unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty...
https://oneplus.net/support/faq#85000005+GD00000034
Hello. I just purchased the US version of the Honor 7x, but really hate having apps like Instagram and Facebook on my phone. I don't use them. If I root my phone, is it possible to remove these apps and maybe a few unused Google apps and still receive any future OTA? Thanks in advance.
Good question phone hasn't arrived yet but definitely don't want crapbook and tweaker on it.
bloodbath said:
Hello. I just purchased the US version of the Honor 7x, but really hate having apps like Instagram and Facebook on my phone. I don't use them. If I root my phone, is it possible to remove these apps and maybe a few unused Google apps and still receive any future OTA? Thanks in advance.
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Sadly, on the first OTA for Mate2, removing one of the Huawei-created bloatware caused the update to fail. Don't know what the policy is now. So I'd keep backups of removed bloatware. (I think that the OTA was trying to update one of the missing bloatware but there was no option to ignore the error and continue with simply the OS upgrade.)
bloodbath said:
Hello. I just purchased the US version of the Honor 7x, but really hate having apps like Instagram and Facebook on my phone. I don't use them. If I root my phone, is it possible to remove these apps and maybe a few unused Google apps and still receive any future OTA? Thanks in advance.
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You can't apply OTA even if you unroot after root without even touching system apps. This is the case with 7X.
It's not the removing of bloat that causes problems with OTA's. It's what you have to do in order to remove bloat which is rooting the phone. Rooting modifies the system data which then fails the check performed when an OTA tries to install. Rooting modifies the system partition and adding twrp modifies the boot partition. So as of now doing anything other than unlocking the bootloader will give you problems whenever we get official OTA.
SVR said:
You can't apply OTA even if you unroot after root without even touching system apps. This is the case with 7X.
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str8stryk3r said:
It's not the removing of bloat that causes problems with OTA's. It's what you have to do in order to remove bloat which is rooting the phone.
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That's unfortunate. It has been many years since the Mate2 but I don't recall it being as restrictive back then. If I recall correctly, I was able to leave the phone rooted as long I restored stock bootloader and stock recovery. But the OTA failed when it was trying to update one or more of the Huawei apps so I only had to restore the boatware from TB.
I guess I should keep backups of all stock images before rooting. Thanks for the info.
This is very disheartening to hear. With the new additions (e. g. Facial recognition) supposedly incorporated into the next update, I would like to keep OTA. The other items taking up space on my phone is very annoying though. Oh well, I guess the apps aren't a big issue for now. I just wish Huawei would have let us choose our own apps.
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This is very disheartening to hear. With the new additions (e. g. Facial recognition) supposedly incorporated into the next update, I would like to keep OTA. The other items taking up space on my phone is very annoying though. Oh well, I guess the apps aren't a big issue for now. I just wish Huawei would have let us choose our own apps.
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Well eventually/hopefully, we'll get some devs to pick up development on the device where twrp, root, and custom roms will let us get our phones to the way we want them. I stayed away from twrp and rooting just for that reason. I just disabled all the crap they added that I don't use
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Well eventually/hopefully, we'll get some devs to pick up development on the device where twrp, root, and custom roms will let us get our phones to the way we want them. I stayed away from twrp and rooting just for that reason. I just disabled all the crap they added that I don't use
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Seeing that the initial popularity and price point for the quality of phone have been positive so far, I do think that will happen. I too am staying away until it occurs. I have ignored the apps I don't like for now, but truly miss apps like Adaway and Titanium Backup, which require root. Oh well, soon hopefully.
I have been able to remove a few apps
I've been rooting phones since the original (G1), but I've now arrived at the point where rooting is no longer the irresistible desire it used to be. I know heavily skinned versions of Android like EMUI & MIUI are not for everyone, but I actually enjoy them. I'm patiently waiting for the OTA. Once Oreo arrives, I might consider rooting, but I'm in no rush.
There are some apps you can uninstall without root.
You can uninstall third party apps like Facebook, that was the first thing I did
I haven't rooted or installed twrp yet until the L24 releases the stock firmware but as another user stated you can remove some of the third party apps. The ones that Huawei made system apps that can't be removed without root are the ones that would give problems with the ota like the stock launcher and the Sim toolkits and other various crap. I wish they would hurry up with the stock firmware release because there are some things I'd like to do that require root
U can remove the blotware without rooting by using adb ..
Just follow the link
sivaukxc said:
U can remove the blotware without rooting by using adb ..
Just follow the link
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But again, removing system apps could cause the ota to fail if one of those apps tries to get updated and it's not there
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I have recently acquired a second hand A52s, and I'm looking into rooting it as well as it's drawbacks.
The phone's Knox Warrany Bit is not triggered yet, so I'm looking for some advice on wheter I should cross the rooting Rubicon, or if going with an unrooted phone is sufficient for my threat model.
My percieved threats are as follows:
- Security: I want total security should anyone get a hold of my phone, even if they have advanced tools. I know in older android versions the whole partition could be encrypted so that no-one could access any of the data without the password if the phone was turned off. However in the current Android 13 I haven't found a way to do this.
- Privacy: I want some control over what information corporations are getting about me. I wouldn't consider going as far as to disable Google Play Services, but some level of control would be preferable.
- Anonymity: I want to be able to hide my identity occasionally. Tor will mostly take care of my needs, but having multiple cloned social media apps is desired too.
- Usability: I want to get rid of the useless bloatware Samsung and Google include in the stock android. Extending battery life would be preferable too. I also have a Samsung Galaxy Watch5 and I would like to use it's ECG feature.
From this arrises the question: Is rooting what I'm looking for? Will rooting negatively impact my security should anyone take my phone and plug it into a computer (can the bootloader be re-locked after rooting)? Are there any other drawbacks specific to this model that I should be aware of (camera, Samsung vendor apps, etc)?
cluckduck said:
- Security: I want total security should anyone get a hold of my phone, even if they have advanced tools. I know in older android versions the whole partition could be encrypted so that no-one could access any of the data without the password if the phone was turned off. However in the current Android 13 I haven't found a way to do this.
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Recent Android versions automatically encrypt your data partition, so doing it manually is kinda not needed.
cluckduck said:
- Privacy: I want some control over what information corporations are getting about me. I wouldn't consider going as far as to disable Google Play Services, but some level of control would be preferable.
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The latest Android version (13) has been getting better at limiting what access your apps get like location. I think by default all apps have no permissions until you manually give it to them so I think you should be good here.
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- Anonymity: I want to be able to hide my identity occasionally. Tor will mostly take care of my needs, but having multiple cloned social media apps is desired too.
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Secure Folder is a good option to do this. It sandboxes an environment that has all accounts (including Google's) unlinked so I think this is a good option
cluckduck said:
- Usability: I want to get rid of the useless bloatware Samsung and Google include in the stock android. Extending battery life would be preferable too. I also have a Samsung Galaxy Watch5 and I would like to use it's ECG feature.
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You can debloat with adb commands without an issue
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From this arrises the question: Is rooting what I'm looking for? Will rooting negatively impact my security should anyone take my phone and plug it into a computer (can the bootloader be re-locked after rooting)? Are there any other drawbacks specific to this model that I should be aware of (camera, Samsung vendor apps, etc)?
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You're covered with stock, no need to root imo.
What root apps are you going to use? I just root my alt phone for the sake of adblocking and revanced.
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What root apps are you going to use? I just root my alt phone for the sake of adblocking and revanced.
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I hadn't considered that those aren't an option without a rooted phone. I might consider rooting just for these.
No root ! Benefits are much under android native functionality at least on latest android OS . More then that is considerably sure to brake , bootloop , freeze etc the system , lack of system updates , loose garanty , not mentioning the bank payments which are blocked by the safety permissions . Long time ago on android 5...6...7 root was for fun and improvement the system apk and battery but now I don't see the point .... Regarding the tracking features , you can minimize this but not eliminate cause of Google policy
muppetz said:
No root ! Benefits are much under android native functionality at least on latest android OS . More then that is considerably sure to brake , bootloop , freeze etc the system , lack of system updates , loose garanty , not mentioning the bank payments which are blocked by the safety permissions . Long time ago on android 5...6...7 root was for fun and improvement the system apk and battery but now I don't see the point .... Regarding the tracking features , you can minimize this but not eliminate cause of Google policy
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Are you saying stock Android 13 won't receive OTA updates if it's rooted?
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Are you saying stock Android 13 won't receive OTA updates if it's rooted?
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Is not a rule but certainly there are some problems with manually update especially under major updates where you need to flash stock.img , then stock.img patched and so on . Somehow Magisk is not perfect , modules installed also so all the process will lead to a broken phone (maybe) .