It wasn't until AFTER I received my P7P that I found out that it will not side load apps that are x32 bit without rooting/flashing etc.
What a PITA! I'm actually thinking about sending it back and just keeping the P6P.
Couple apps I use for work aren't x64 bit yet.
This shouldn't be a surprise from big sister Google. Big sisters just do what they want.
Google Pixel got tired of waiting and rammed it down your throat because it's in your best interests and they know better than you. Same corporation that forced you to use the cpu cycle sucking scoped storage because you're incapable of managing your phone's security.
Even more madding is their own 64 bit OS is still using 32 bit libraries, but you can't!
Global Gookill to the rescue... who's going rescue us from them? Another reason to use phones that run on Android 9 or 10. The last 3 years have yielded smartphone's with huge batteries and worse SOT. 5G isn't needed, and variable refresh rate displays come at the cost of poorer color/gamma accuracy/calibration, a higher energy consumption and likely an increased failure rate on many phones.
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Good bless x64 best way less memory usage.
x32 is old, devs shouldn't be pushing it
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x32 is old, devs shouldn't be pushing it
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Google still uses it in their recent Pixel OS releases You can't though...
p51d007 said:
It wasn't until AFTER I received my P7P that I found out that it will not side load apps that are x32 bit without rooting/flashing etc.
What a PITA! I'm actually thinking about sending it back and just keeping the P6P.
Couple apps I use for work aren't x64 bit yet.
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There is no "x" in "32 bit", nor is there in "64 bit". You are confounding things you've seen in DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURES.
Specifically, x86 architecture, and x86_64 which is the 64bit extension to x86 developed by AMD. x86_64 is sometimes abbreviated to "x64", but this specifically implies x86, which DOES NOT apply to the chip in your phone, which is ARM.
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There is no "x" in "32 bit", nor is there in "64 bit". You are confounding things you've seen in DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURES.
Specifically, x86 architecture, and x86_64 which is the 64bit extension to x86 developed by AMD. x86_64 is sometimes abbreviated to "x64", but this specifically implies x86, which DOES NOT apply to the chip in your phone, which is ARM.
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The worm has turned it seems.
Apparently ARM while be exclusively 64 bit in 2023.
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The worm has turned it seems.
Apparently ARM while be exclusively 64 bit in 2023.
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Yes, but that's not related to what I said. However it is likely the main reason why gooble is deciding to hard switch now.
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You do know Android has been x64 since 5.0 Lollipop in 2014, this is just Google doing away with what is effectively pointless now like 16 bit support in Windows
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You do know Android has been x64 since 5.0 Lollipop in 2014, this is just Google doing away with what is effectively pointless now like 16 bit support in Windows
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Where the SOC's though? Don't think so. It's of passing interest to me at this point as I have no plans of upgrading either hardware or firmware until the dust settles. At least 2-3 years meanwhile I'll happily run my N10+'s.
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Yes, but that's not related to what I said. However it is likely the main reason why gooble is deciding to hard switch now.
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I have no doubt that's why Google is doing it. Why bum rush their customers though when Google itself still are using it? More hypocrisy from the "elite"; we can use it but you can't.
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Where the SOC's though? Don't think so. It's of passing interest to me at this point as I have no plans of upgrading either hardware or firmware until the dust settles. At least 2-3 years meanwhile I'll happily run my N10+'s.
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Err well obviously the ARM chips were out ARMv8 was introduced back in 2011
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Err well obviously the ARM chips were out ARMv8 was introduced back in 2011
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Never gave the history of it much thought. It's interesting though.
Eventually it will be a good thing except Google Android is already doing what MS did as more capable processors and hardware emerged; bogging them down with crapware. Like the forced implementation of scoped storage, what's next?
Unlike PC's there's limited space, power and cooling capacity. The latest generations of Androids are hitting that wall... hard and many suck because of it. Powerful, power hungry but barely out perform my 3yo N10+ running on Pie on most tasks and most get worse SOT even with bigger batteries. They should be almost twice as efficient not the other way around.
blackhawk said:
Never gave the history of it much thought. It's interesting though.
Eventually it will be a good thing except Google Android is already doing what MS did as more capable processors and hardware emerged; bogging them down with crapware. Like the forced implementation of scoped storage, what's next?
Unlike PC's there's limited space, power and cooling capacity. The latest generations of Androids are hitting that wall... hard and many suck because of it. Powerful, power hungry but barely out perform my 3yo N10+ running on Pie on most tasks and most get worse SOT even with bigger batteries. They should be almost twice as efficient not the other way around.
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Well scoped storage is actually critically important, as the current evolution of the "external storage" problem that they introduced with Android 1.0.
Basically, they used to have a physical external storage device (microsd card), formatted with a zero-security filesystem (vfat), and shared with all the different programs. Now they are finally giving the USER control over what data each program actually has access to, something that was impossible with vfat.
Unfortunately, its way too late to eliminate external storage. Too many application developers depend on it.
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Well scoped storage is actually critically important, as the current evolution of the "external storage" problem that they introduced with Android 1.0.
Basically, they used to have a physical external storage device (microsd card), formatted with a zero-security filesystem (vfat), and shared with all the different programs. Now they are finally giving the USER control over what data each program actually has access to, something that was impossible with vfat.
Unfortunately, its way too late to eliminate external storage. Too many application developers depend on it.
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Scoped storage is a needless burden. You control security by what you install and download as well as a firewall. The current load on this N10+* is over 2.5 yo, last firmware update was 3 years ago. It remains fast, stable with minimal maintenance. That's what Android is capable of. Security isn't an issue.
There's no saving dumb bunnies. They will always get squashed no more what you do. Just don't wreck your ride trying to save them... which is what Google just did.
Safety and trophies for everyone. not.
*My other N10+ is running on 10, it has around 100 new system apps added to maintain its functionality and usability compared to the one running on Pie. They both look and behave almost identically. I prefer Pie.
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Scoped storage is a needless burden. You control security by what you install and download as well as a firewall. The current load on this N10+* is over 2.5 yo, last firmware update was 3 years ago. It remains fast, stable with minimal maintenance. That's what Android is capable of. Security isn't an issue.
There's no saving dumb bunnies. They will always get squashed no more what you do. Just don't wreck your ride trying to save them... which is what Google just did.
Safety and trophies for everyone. not.
*My other N10+ is running on 10, it has around 100 new system apps added to maintain its functionality and usability compared to the one running on Pie. They both look and behave almost identically. I prefer Pie.
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When you need to run the program you got from your bank, you need it. That's all there is to it.
96carboard said:
When you need to run the program you got from your bank, you need it. That's all there is to it.
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Bank accounts are 100% insured even if it gets hacked. All critical data is redundantly backed up on multiple hdds, flash drives and time staggered. I have more security than most users with up to date phones... I thought it through, most haven't.
No bank, shopping or social media apps are ever installed on my devices. Can you say the same or have you created security holes?
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Bank accounts are 100% insured even if it gets hacked. All critical data is redundantly backed up on multiple hdds, flash drives and time staggered. I have more security than most users with up to date phones... I thought it through, most haven't.
No bank, shopping or social media apps are ever installed on my devices. Can you say the same or have you created security holes?
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You might as well go all the way and not carry a phone at all. Have fun.
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You might as well go all the way and not carry a phone at all. Have fun.
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You are a victim of your own device.
I access banking and sites via Brave browser only. KISS, keep it simple...
blackhawk said:
You are a victim of your own device.
I access banking and sites via Brave browser only. KISS, keep it simple...
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That's nice, and it was just an example.
A well designed operating system will allow you to conveniently run untrustworthy software without it being allowed to do anything dangerous.
Do you understand? Its purpose is to make life EASIER, not impossible. You shouldn't have to use weird, difficult, and frankly pointless workarounds.
And to be blunt, going through a web browser puts you at HIGHER risk than using a purpose built application, because of its added complexity and the fact that it needs more permissions since you use it for more than just one thing.
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The last 3 years have yielded smartphone's with huge batteries and worse SOT. 5G isn't needed, and variable refresh rate displays come at the cost of poorer color/gamma accuracy/calibration, a higher energy consumption and likely an increased failure rate on many phones.
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When I got my first phone that had variable refresh, I set it for 60, then showed the phone to everyone at work saying it was a new 90hz phone. They all clamored about how silky smooth it was. Then, I showed them it was on 60, set it to 90 and they couldn't tell the difference. LOL
First thing I do with a new phone, is enable developer options, set all the animation to 0.5x, set the refresh rate to 60, DISABLE 5G. 4G is FAST enough for a stupid phone anyway.
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Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
nobody can say this because all developers work on this in their free time and its their decission how much time they spend to this.
on the other hand there are many non solved problems and nobody can say if this problems can be fixed in 2 days or never.
so lets wait and see what great things devs can do in future
In theory it should run as smooth on Rhodium too I guess since they use the same kind of core hardwares such as processor and RAM.
The only thing I would guess is the drivers issues with the different hardwares such as keyboard, etc..., but as lhwparis said, the developers do it at their own time.
We just have to wish them good luck and appreciate their effort
breytex said:
Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
x10dude said:
If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Im pretty sure that Rhodium Android benchmarks faster than on other native android devices already using Android Market benchmarking apps.
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If it is run off the SD card, I don't know if it will ever be as fast and smooth as a genuine Android phone. I think there is potential to get most if not all of the Android functionality at decent speeds but a genuine Android phone will still probably be faster and smoother.
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Not completely true. The SD card is removable flash, the internal storage is just non-removable flash. If you get a fast enough SD card, there's no difference.
Also, Android can be flashed to the internal storage of a device with some cunning through the same idea they are using now (bootloading through Haret). Take a look at the Vogue and Kaiser threads.. The devs just have to work on that process, which I'm sure is not as important to them as getting Open GL working 100%, sound, and complete battery management.
I stand corrected. Thanks. Running Android of SD memory can be just as fast.
Exactly. When you buy your next SD card, shell out the extra $10 or so and get a class 6. You won't regret it.
You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)
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You mean, if only you get a very fast SD card, the whole system, including all animations and click(touch)-processing latencies will be as fast as on devices running Android natively?
I want to clarify that, since I thought it just has some serious driver underdevelopment issues (like opengl, which is widely used by it) or some kind of slower debug build. On my phone it runs about two-three time slower than on a phone with native android (and lower cpu clock, but much lower screen resolution as well)
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What are you comparing your phone to? Don't look at a Droid X or an EVO dude. You have to compare apples to apples - about the closest native Android hardware to our phones is/was the HTC Hero. So that's our benchmark basically.
With that said, there probably is some software improvements, but getting a higher class SD will definitely help as well. I heard boot times are probably the most to benefit from higher class SD - don't expect miracles tho, there's definitely still some things that need optimizing - I think at present the devs aren't exactly sure what those things are
Once the major bugs are squashed certainly the focus will then be more on stability, performance and battery life. We've gotten quite a few battery fixes lately, hopefully performance will be next on the docket
I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)
ikari87 said:
I was comparing it to the nearest phone I could touch, ZTE Racer ;-)
Racer has a 600MHz clock (okay, i thought it was slower than 528 (AFAIR) of TP2) and a pretty ****ty screen ;-). But that's not one of those 1G Snapdragons.
I wish TP2 ran Android like a brand new phone one day... ;-)
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Having owned and used an HTC Hero and Samsung Moment I can tell you that the vanilla version (non-overclocked) of this build is about the same speed as the Hero. The overclocked version is faster than both when running on my class 6 card.
No Crystal Ball & No HTC Help
breytex said:
Hey guys!
Do you think, that android will EVER run as fast and smooth on a rhodium as it runs on a native andoid phone?
Can you guess aprox. when the time comes?
thx for answer :->
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The issues are drivers, drivers, drivers and null assistance from HTC. With little more than the technical docs of the Qualcomm processor shared by the Rhodium as well as native HTC & other manufacturers Android devices the developers are nothing short of being friggin amazing. It's a lot of hit n miss trial n error and we the users are the beta testers.
My initial goal of being one of many beta testers was to see whether Android is a viable replacement for my WinMo device especially in light of Microsoft's direction with WP7.
HTC is helpful to XDA developers when it helps sell current devices. Unfortunately HTC in their shortsightedness fails to see the benefit of a successful Project Android being the springboard of many to a purchase a new native Android HTC device.
So will we have drivers, drivers, drivers to make the Rhodium as good or better than a similar hardware native Android device is a question no one can answer definitively when or if ever. For the time being, I like other beta testers will avoid phone calls like the plague, but nonetheless will have enough hands on to make an educated decision whether Android is right for them.
I dont know
My setup of Android seems to be working pretty good minus a few small bugs. Main bug I would say is battery issues. All in all mine is damn quick,and definitely faster than the winmo on the device. My winmo is trim and pimped out but still runs like a turd. It's reliable but slow. My ole lady has the Epic Galaxy S, and it is indeed fast and smooth with particularly vivid color (amoled), but I am gaining a new appreciation for my TP2 again wth Android. My screen looks pretty sharp as well. I am bouncing back and forth from winmo to droid often, but I can manage to stay in droid for long periods and not miss a beat. Waking up to my new rooster alarm sound ain't too shabby either.
I am a stickler for response speeds, and winmo out of the box blew just like it does on computers. Linux has never let me down, and now neither will droid. I would like to have a way in droid to check my 10 different email address' and not just gmail, but I'm sure there's a way. Windows' ideas are ok but their performance/quality has always just been farts upwind.
One thing some people don't think about is the apps and stuff they choose to run and the things they do on their phone, but at least android attempts to warn you of the access the app is being granted on your device before you install. Phones today have cameras, mics, speakers, communications, GPS, and a G-sensor. The only thing they can't do is taste and smell (coming soon). All in all though, they are capable of knowing where you are, where you've been, what you say, and what you look like as well as possibly being remotely controlled. Enjoy, but beware
The only thing holding us back is the slow GPU and the resistive screen.
So, now that windows phone 7 is out, is there any chance of us getting a port for the rhodium? I realize every windows phone 7 phone has a snapdragon and the os is pretty resource extensive, but is it possible, mindful of the performance degradation?
As has been said in the dozen other threads on the same subject...no.
kanwal236 said:
So, now that windows phone 7 is out, is there any chance of us getting a port for the rhodium? I realize every windows phone 7 phone has a snapdragon and the os is pretty resource extensive, but is it possible, mindful of the performance degradation?
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You're kidding; yes? It makes no sense to try; however maybe the HD2.
tbh the OS is very complex and idk how itll behave on a storage card if youre talking about a port like XDANDROID, its very possible but itll need some serious time to optimize and be able to run flawless on our TP2s
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Even if it were possible for developers to dedicate their time to yet another major long-term project, why would they when the hardware necessary to use WP7 isn't supported on Windows Mobile devices or if they found a work-around it wouldn't work as good.
I think the fact that we have Android is good enough, WP7 is a fresh OS and deserves better. — It's the same mentality as people who use OSX Visual Styles on their Windows 7 machines, it makes no sense or the people who use the iPhone or now WP7 overlay app on their device.
As much as I love the touch pro 2 for it's solid build quality and amazing keyboard; let's be honest, the smudgy resistive screen isn't nice compared with a capacitive AMOLED screen and many other reasons why WP7 wouldn't be as glamorous as on a new device.
*Also, look how long it took the team to get Android to run to a usable/enjoyable point, by that time Froyo was already released and you could have made enough money to go out and buy a brand new Android device. — With WP7 the project will be even longer in my opinion, as there are more components to think about in regards to how the OS operates and functions. (No 'expandable' SD-card, can only sync via Zune software and many other barriers)
*-No disrespect to any of the XDAndroid team you all did an awesome job, just pointing out the fact that delays and issues are to be expected, so WP7 would just be an even greater headache which isn't worth it, might as well start a WP7 project fresh with WP7 hardware then the fun can begin.
I use a Pixel 3a XL for some time now. (got also a new replacement phone 1,5 month ago, so fully fresh)
It was working very good and responsive with Android 9, even better with Android 10.
But after the update to Android 11, everything feels much slower, lag in apps, starting apps etc.
I already did a full wipe, factory reset, a few times, but this doesn't help.
How to make the phone (1,5 month old) feels as good as it was with Android 10 again?
I know that I can flash a custom ROM, but if possible I want to keep the original ROM.
Thanks already for the tips and tricks.
Granted my days of flashing ROMs and tinkering with Android are well gone, I heated that performance is indeed less than ideal on Android 11, especially compared with 10. So I clean flashed official 10 and installed Elemental X kernel and magisk. Security patch is out of date, but the phone is smooth and stable, with exceptional battery life, def better than stock 10, not to mention 11.
Just my experience. YMMV.
Los is currently based on 10 and is updated weekly. Is what I run as also wasn't impressed with 11
I had pretty much the same problem updating 10 to 11. I flashed 2 monthlies and 11 was noticeably laggier and slower than 10. I was thinking I was going to have to buy a new phone. I first tried to do a full wipe and flash from scratch and that resolved it. It was a night and day difference. Been 2 or 3 weeks now since I did that and I'd venture to say that its about the same speed/responsiveness now as it was on 10.
Is anyone seeing performance restored to Android 10 level now that Dec 2020 udpate is out?
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no this phone is a POS and it is still horribly broken
after android 11 update
i have experienced multiple multiple issues that make this phone completely worthless and totally unusable to me since updating
including but not limited to
2)texting photos not working ,text goes though but if a photo is attached nothing goes thorugh(TMO) ,
3)visual voice mail not working in phone app(TMO)
4)using volume rocker in any way stops all sound and crashes app or stops phone from ringing , once i touch volume rocker in either direction all sound stops
5)trusted voice unlock not working, option not available
6)smart lock trusted device not working , relocks phone after a couple minutes ,tried multiple bluetooth devices make no difference phone always relocks
7)android auto automatically launches at random for no reason
8) android auto auto launch setting problem, add car bluetooth to auto launch android auto
exit settings , go back to settings, no devices listed for autolaunch , automatically deletes all auto launch devices
9) screen is not able to be used during a call in progress
screen blinks on and off while trying to use the screen during a call
10) Android auto in completely broken and unuseable now
11) google assistant is completely broken and unuseable now
says it can not reach google ,(on LTE with full bars or with wifi on on and LTE)
or it just pulls up a list of suggested things to say no matter what you try to do
or if it does register what you say it is so far off it's ridiculous , ,example: "hey google turn of the bedroom light" , registers as "jennifer" and it either does nothing or results in a google search
not able to be used for navigation, or smarthome control at all in any ways because of aforementioned issues
this phone is a piece of trash ,android 11 is a garbage fire
and Google is a criminal enterprise who refuse to honor warranties
my phone is less that 2 weeks old , bought brand new at big box store and google refuses to honor the warranty and replace my phone
i do not not what this POS, i would at least like to get a new phone running Pie
My dad has the exact same phone on the exact same carrier (T-mobile) and has not updated and i don't think he is experiencing most of these issues, probably issues with assistant auto but he never uses it so i can't really say
all i can say is that google engages in criminal behavior , they pulled the same BS with my nexus 6p's , they sold me 2 defective phones and then refused to honor the warranty with 8 months left on the warranty, i called literally hundreds of times and never got anywhere
only years later did i ever get any resolution , $200 from a class action suit for each phone when i paid over $600 for each phone had to wait almost 5 years and only got less than 1/3 of my money back not to mention all the wasted time and aggravation of dealing with these slippery slimy criminals and their games denying me my warranty
nl1010 said:
I use a Pixel 3a XL for some time now. (got also a new replacement phone 1,5 month ago, so fully fresh)
It was working very good and responsive with Android 9, even better with Android 10.
But after the update to Android 11, everything feels much slower, lag in apps, starting apps etc.
I already did a full wipe, factory reset, a few times, but this doesn't help.
How to make the phone (1,5 month old) feels as good as it was with Android 10 again?
I know that I can flash a custom ROM, but if possible I want to keep the original ROM.
Thanks already for the tips and tricks.
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where did you buy your phone? how did you get google to honor the warranty? does your uncle work at Nintendo or something?
i had 3 google phones they refused to honor warranty on every single one of them even tough phones were nearly brand new in mint condition(not that they ever even asked or that ever got far enough along in the process where that would be relevant) with many many months left on the warranty ,
gdroid666 said:
where did you buy your phone? how did you get google to honor the warranty? does your uncle work at Nintendo or something?
i had 3 google phones they refused to honor warranty on every single one of them even tough phones were nearly brand new in mint condition(not that they ever even asked or that ever got far enough along in the process where that would be relevant) with many many months left on the warranty ,
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I bought my phone at Belsimpel in The Netherlands. They imported the Pixel phones, because they are not sold here officially.
After my complaints, they send my phone to Google NL, they replaced my phone without any problem.
Sometime before this Pixel I had a Pixel 2 XL, also with issues, this phone I bought at Saturn in Kleve, Germany, just over the border. I got in contact myself with Google, and I also got a brand new phone without any problem.
So maybe I was lucky...
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I bought my phone at Belsimpel in The Netherlands. They imported the Pixel phones, because they are not sold here officially.
After my complaints, they send my phone to Google NL, they replaced my phone without any problem.
Sometime before this Pixel I had a Pixel 2 XL, also with issues, this phone I bought at Saturn in Kleve, Germany, just over the border. I got in contact myself with Google, and I also got a brand new phone without any problem.
So maybe I was lucky...
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oh ok ,i am in the US so maybe it's the region that makes the difference
because in the states you have a better chance of hitting the lottery and being struck by lightning on the same day than getting them to honor their warranties
I've noticed that over the past months now, my 3a XL is not performing as it used to. There's definitely more "jank" and stutterings and sputterings that didn't used to be there. Had it since December 2019 and been pleased with it since. But of late it's one thing or the other.
For example, the camera app takes eons to come on, laggy when i switch modes. There's just very noticeable lag in all areas when generally using the phone. A restart helps a bit, before it goes back to laggy-ness.
A bit disappointed at this pure Android device acting this way.
Not noticing much degradation here. Maybe occasional stutter (when say opening Play Store to check for available updates), but I can't remember when it didn't to that.
Even the overnight battery consumption (which was bad for a while, reported by many) has now dropped to around 0.5%/hr after something (?) got updated. I have always chosen to manually set as many apps as practical to Restricted background use. I also don't force close any apps (e.g. Greenify them) unless I suspect they're giving trouble, only Clearing them all from the multitasking pane before I go to sleep. Adaptive battery is on. Stock. Unrooted.
for everyone in here complaining about battery and stuttering issues I would suggest you try loading up MVK kernel
[KERNEL] [Android 12] [v12.9] MVK - Maximum Velocity Kernel
For those familiar with Velocity Rom this is the kernel I build for it. Velocity hasnt been on XDA as a rule so Im sure not many are familiar. Velocity is my personal Rom Ive been building for years and have shared with all that are interested...
forum.xda-developers.com
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Never used a nubia phone before, but looking at the specs and at £600 I'm interested. Whose buying this.
marvi0 said:
Never used a nubia phone before, but looking at the specs and at £600 I'm interested. Whose buying this.
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If you read through the support page of the red magic 5 and the rwd magic 3, you'll get an idea into what your paying for.
Almost non existinal software support outside of china. Some games like Pubg stop working on basically every update (of pubg) Nubia are months behind in fixing those bugs.
The 5s is over 5 months behind in updates, and still don't have Android 11.
Some software bugs like setting default apps for things like certain links to open in apps,
Reddit, youtube etc dont work.
The sd888 is currently over heating in every model of phone made with it. With exception of the RM6 but only if you use the Ice dock while gaming. So expect to need to buy that additional accessory to get the best performance out of the device. Or if not expect it to over heat a few minutes into any heavy high graphic / demanding game.
Sure maybe after some months of bug fixes it may be better, but yoy only need to read the 5s/5s unofficial support page to read how many things have been done and what people have been dealing with since buying Nubia's last phone.
... Personally im very happy with my purchase. RM5s with latest stock rom is solid. I dont play pubg so i dont care about the people moaning about it. Everyrhing else seems to run very well, with exception to the default apps selection not saving your choices to always open in this app, its a beast of a phone.
Sd888 overheating and using way more power than the 865, for almost the same performance for me personally is not worth it.
But if you do decide to to go for the RM6, good luck. Don't say you were not warned whwn something is not right and you get a cold shoulder from nubia support. Good prediction, Android 12 is get released for the chinese varient, but global will be left behind.
Like the series 3 and currently series 5.
There are rumors that android 11 will release for series 5 soon. But series 3 global is still over 11 months behind china and 2 versions of android behind china.
Expect to be ignored as soon as the next nubia device is announced.
I already got one, with CN rom, unfortunately. I'm waiting for the global rom right now.
Currently, the phone have a few annoying issues:
1. Vanced YouTube does not work consistently
2. Locked launcher
3. E-sports handle does not work in several games, e.g. LOL WildRift
4. FFBE WoTV quits randomly
5. Overheating issue is real
That being said, the screen, sc888's performance, and the charging speed are the saving grace of this flawed device, love dat screen and the snappiness. Whether or not those would justify your purchase, your call.
I already put it on secondhand market, but if no one takes it, I won't get salty ...too much.
NazTH said:
I already got one, with CN rom, unfortunately. I'm waiting for the global rom right now.
Currently, the phone have a few annoying issues:
1. Vanced YouTube does not work consistently
2. Locked launcher
3. E-sports handle does not work in several games, e.g. LOL WildRift
4. FFBE WoTV quits randomly
5. Overheating issue is real
That being said, the screen, sc888's performance, and the charging speed are the saving grace of this flawed device, love dat screen and the snappiness. Whether or not those would justify your purchase, your call.
I already put it on secondhand market, but if no one takes it, I won't get salty ...too much.
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You have to wait for the ROM update. In order to solve the problems you mentioned above Are you my customer in Thailand?
I've got one and I'm playing PUBG Mobile, Arena of Valor and Genshin Impact.
It's Chinese ROM but easy to install Play store by apk file, and remove all Chinese apps. Play store work perfectly, with Play Protect. I even think this is an global ROM.
It had not any issues, at least for 3 days I've been using it.
Just preordered, was between this or the rog phone 5.
I like to try new manufacturers so never having tried red magic before was a factor. The 2 biggest negatives for me on the red magic 6 is that the 5g is only for china (no NA 5g bands), and official rom support, mentioned above in better detail. Would have also liked to see 2 front facing speakers as the downward one will be blocked by vice style gamepads. But are these things worth double the price for the rog phone 5? Since I went with the red magic the answer for me is no. Since I'm mostly on wifi the 5g isn't a deal breaker. In general I'm usually not in a situation where my mobile bandwidth speeds are the bottle neck in enjoying an experience, like streaming music.
For me the most important part is the gpu/888 chipset and high refresh. Check and check. Getting the cyberpods for free ($50) and free shipping was nice too.
NazTH said:
I already got one, with CN rom, unfortunately. I'm waiting for the global rom right now.
Currently, the phone have a few annoying issues:
1. Vanced YouTube does not work consistently
2. Locked launcher
3. E-sports handle does not work in several games, e.g. LOL WildRift
4. FFBE WoTV quits randomly
5. Overheating issue is real
That being said, the screen, sc888's performance, and the charging speed are the saving grace of this flawed device, love dat screen and the snappiness. Whether or not those would justify your purchase, your call.
I already put it on secondhand market, but if no one takes it, I won't get salty ...too much.
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Thank you. Out of interest, where are you based and selling it please?
dylerb said:
I've got one and I'm playing PUBG Mobile, Arena of Valor and Genshin Impact.
It's Chinese ROM but easy to install Play store by apk file, and remove all Chinese apps. Play store work perfectly, with Play Protect. I even think this is an global ROM.
It had not any issues, at least for 3 days I've been using it.
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Thanks, so did you buy it with Chinese rom?
professorpoptart said:
Just preordered, was between this or the rog phone 5.
I like to try new manufacturers so never having tried red magic before was a factor. The 2 biggest negatives for me on the red magic 6 is that the 5g is only for china (no NA 5g bands), and official rom support, mentioned above in better detail. Would have also liked to see 2 front facing speakers as the downward one will be blocked by vice style gamepads. But are these things worth double the price for the rog phone 5? Since I went with the red magic the answer for me is no. Since I'm mostly on wifi the 5g isn't a deal breaker. In general I'm usually not in a situation where my mobile bandwidth speeds are the bottle neck in enjoying an experience, like streaming music.
For me the most important part is the gpu/888 chipset and high refresh. Check and check. Getting the cyberpods for free ($50) and free shipping was nice too.
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Oh so no 5g for the international version? Can I change it to the Chinese rom?
Patrick Morgan said:
If you read through the support page of the red magic 5 and the rwd magic 3, you'll get an idea into what your paying for.
Almost non existinal software support outside of china. Some games like Pubg stop working on basically every update (of pubg) Nubia are months behind in fixing those bugs.
The 5s is over 5 months behind in updates, and still don't have Android 11.
Some software bugs like setting default apps for things like certain links to open in apps,
Reddit, youtube etc dont work.
The sd888 is currently over heating in every model of phone made with it. With exception of the RM6 but only if you use the Ice dock while gaming. So expect to need to buy that additional accessory to get the best performance out of the device. Or if not expect it to over heat a few minutes into any heavy high graphic / demanding game.
Sure maybe after some months of bug fixes it may be better, but yoy only need to read the 5s/5s unofficial support page to read how many things have been done and what people have been dealing with since buying Nubia's last phone.
... Personally im very happy with my purchase. RM5s with latest stock rom is solid. I dont play pubg so i dont care about the people moaning about it. Everyrhing else seems to run very well, with exception to the default apps selection not saving your choices to always open in this app, its a beast of a phone.
Sd888 overheating and using way more power than the 865, for almost the same performance for me personally is not worth it.
But if you do decide to to go for the RM6, good luck. Don't say you were not warned whwn something is not right and you get a cold shoulder from nubia support. Good prediction, Android 12 is get released for the chinese varient, but global will be left behind.
Like the series 3 and currently series 5.
There are rumors that android 11 will release for series 5 soon. But series 3 global is still over 11 months behind china and 2 versions of android behind china.
Expect to be ignored as soon as the next nubia device is announced.
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Hmm thanks for the detailed feedback. So if I buy the UK version, which I assume is the global, I cannot change it to Chinese rom?
marvi0 said:
Hmm thanks for the detailed feedback. So if I buy the UK version, which I assume is the global, I cannot change it to Chinese rom?
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Technically you could change it. But it wont change the bands you will have available to you. Rm6 uses the exact same 5G bands as the RM5. Chinese rom also comes with uninstallable bloatware, loads of data tracking apps, locked launcher, and a bunch of other limited features. If its anything like Android 10 on the 5 series.
Many many people in the UK and parts of europe have 5g connectivity issues with the 5g/5s so dont expect 5g to work and if it does, it will work poorly unless you're basically standing next to the tower.
Overall, chinese roms may get updated, but they will be bogged down with limted features (that you cant even use outside of China) and forced apps.
Not to mention, if the modem fikes happen to get flashed at the same time it could cause connectivity issues on all bands and networks.
The potential to really **** up is high.
But as i said above if you really want to see what you'd be getting yourself into nust read through the issues and software bugs on the support pages for the 5 series and 3 series device.
Its a pretty clear possible future, since Nubia has so far been doing the same thing as they did with the series 3 devices.
pppwaung said:
You have to wait for the ROM update. In order to solve the problems you mentioned above Are you my customer in Thailand?
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Yep, It's me Sawaddee krub.
marvi0 said:
Thank you. Out of interest, where are you based and selling it please?
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Land of the smile, Bangkok, Thailand. It's sold...to a customer who will use it for auto bitcoin trading. What are the odds?
NazTH said:
I already got one, with CN rom, unfortunately. I'm waiting for the global rom right now.
Currently, the phone have a few annoying issues:
1. Vanced YouTube does not work consistently
2. Locked launcher
3. E-sports handle does not work in several games, e.g. LOL WildRift
4. FFBE WoTV quits randomly
5. Overheating issue is real
That being said, the screen, sc888's performance, and the charging speed are the saving grace of this flawed device, love dat screen and the snappiness. Whether or not those would justify your purchase, your call.
I already put it on secondhand market, but if no one takes it, I won't get salty ...too much.
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Does Redmagic moment/ time i.e. montage recording feature work with pubg global?
NazTH said:
I already got one, with CN rom, unfortunately. I'm waiting for the global rom right now.
Currently, the phone have a few annoying issues:
1. Vanced YouTube does not work consistently
2. Locked launcher
3. E-sports handle does not work in several games, e.g. LOL WildRift
4. FFBE WoTV quits randomly
5. Overheating issue is real
That being said, the screen, sc888's performance, and the charging speed are the saving grace of this flawed device, love dat screen and the snappiness. Whether or not those would justify your purchase, your call.
I already put it on secondhand market, but if no one takes it, I won't get salty ...too much.
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Is the overheating in normal (non-gaming) operation or are you referring to gaming?
I just ordered the 6 pro. Reading through some of these comments makes me leary but one thing I've found over my many years on Android is that no two people's experience is the same. I'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of my 6 pro. I'm in the US by the way.
marvi0 said:
Thanks, so did you buy it with Chinese rom?
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Yes. It's original Chinese ROM.
I have one on the way. I hope issues are minimum
does anyone have this and using it on t mobile network in the USA? How does it work?
Beast is absolutely right. I got the international 6 pro with 16gb ram and it is an absolute beast. I'm attaching a screenshot of my antutu score.
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Just received my phone i am using T-Mobile in California. Phone works great so far.
Hey there!
Is there any possible way to unlock the bootloader on my Note 10+ or am I completely screwed.
I've tried everything and I can't get the OEM Unlock Feature to appear. Due to updates on my phone is it just not possible due to security?
Thanks!
I would just leave it be. I have two stock N10+'s, one running on 9, the newest on 10. Both will likely remain on that firmware for their lifespan. Both run very well but are heavily optimized including a package disabler. They are very stable, fast and secure. The Pie one's current load will be 2 yo in June with minimal maintenance. That's what they are capable of.
I have very little to gain by rooting and the Snapdragon variant is notoriously hard to root.
Consider what's to gain vs what's to lose.
Not just the Knox features, which I don't use, but the device itself could be bricked. It will easily last another 2+ years* with the only repairs being a battery replacement, and maybe a C port PCB.
My oldest Note is almost 2.5 yo and shows no wear at all, the display is 100% on this heavily used device.
*a good case is mandatory or it will get destroyed. The only thing they like to do more than corner hit (the spen corner is the favorite drop contact point) when dropped is face plant
Possibly this link could help give insight into your difficulty:
Unlock Bootloader on Samsung Galaxy Phones and Tablets [Guide]
A step-by-step guide on how to enable OEM Unlocking and unlock the bootloader on Samsung Galaxy smartphones and tablets, and disable the VaultKeeper service.
www.thecustomdroid.com
[Bounty] SM-N975U1 Note 10+ (USA unlocked version) bootloader unlock and root method
I wanted to start a Bounty for a root method in the SM-N975U1 unlocked US model of the Now 10+. Bounty will be awarded to the first CONFIRMED successful method to unlock the bootloader and root SM-N975U1 unlocked US model of the Now 10+. Xda...
forum.xda-developers.com
Read through and decide... I think only the paid method is available if memory serves me correctly.
blackhawk said:
I would just leave it be. I have two stick N10+'s, one running on 9, the newest on 10. Both will likely remain on that firmware for their lifespan. Both run very well but are heavily optimized including a package disabler. They are very stable, fast and secure. The Pie one's current load will be 2 yo in June with minimal maintenance. That's what they are capable of.
I have very little to gain by rooting and the Snapdragon variant is notoriously hard to root.
Consider what's to gain vs what's to lose.
Not just the Knox features, which I don't use, but the device itself could be bricked. It will easily last another 2+ years* with the only repairs being a battery replacement, and maybe a C port PCB.
My oldest Note is almost 2.5 yo and shows no wear at all, the display is 100% on this heavily used device.
*a good case is mandatory or it will get destroyed. The only thing they like to do more than corner hit (the spen corner is the favorite drop contact point) when dropped is face plant
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Fair point. The Stock Rom isn't bad, just would've liked more options. Thanks for the insight!
Lord_Smeef said:
Fair point. The Stock Rom isn't bad, just would've liked more options. Thanks for the insight!
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It can be daunting at first.
It needs optimizing but many of the Samsung apks especially system ones serve a purpose and use little or no resources unless needed.
The Google apps are some of the worst offenders.
Use the Galaxy Goodlock family of apps to help customize it. Pick a free Galaxy store theme, icon pack and then set whatever wallpaper you want.
This what my N10+'s look like. Note the lack of junk at the top, that's Quickstar doing most of that. One Handed Operation plus gesture switches on the sides. The N10+ has lots of buried features and Galaxy add ons. Get Sound Assistant to increase volume increments up to 100.
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Lord_Smeef said:
Hey there!
Is there any possible way to unlock the bootloader on my Note 10+ or am I completely screwed.
I've tried everything and I can't get the OEM Unlock Feature to appear. Due to updates on my phone is it just not possible due to security?
Thanks
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Have you heard about this service?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...unlock-for-samsung-us-canada-devices.4215101/
I used it on my sm-n975u1 and it was cheap and it worked. you can run all official firmware on it, 9, 10, 11, 12. I highly recommend if you are interested in root.
blackhawk said:
It can be daunting at first.
It needs optimizing but many of the Samsung apks especially system ones serve a purpose and use little or no resources unless needed.
The Google apps are some of the worst offenders.
Use the Galaxy Goodlock family of apps to help customize it. Pick a free Galaxy store theme, icon pack and then set whatever wallpaper you want.
This what my N10+'s look like. Note the lack of junk at the top, that's Quickstar doing most of that. One Handed Operation plus gesture switches on the sides. The N10+ has lots of buried features and Galaxy add ons. Get Sound Assistant to increase volume increments up to 100.
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if you like to theme check out #Hex Installer in playstore, can use in conjunction with GoodLock. I also rooted mine so I am using GravityBox as well.
Just4quora7277 said:
if you like to theme check out #Hex Installer in playstore, can use in conjunction with GoodLock. I also rooted mine so I am using GravityBox as well.
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No need, One UI is the best launchers and my stock N10+'s are exactly looking how I want... except for the page indicators
blackhawk said:
I would just leave it be. I have two stock N10+'s, one running on 9, the newest on 10. Both will likely remain on that firmware for their lifespan. Both run very well but are heavily optimized including a package disabler. They are very stable, fast and secure. The Pie one's current load will be 2 yo in June with minimal maintenance. That's what they are capable of.
I have very little to gain by rooting and the Snapdragon variant is notoriously hard to root.
Consider what's to gain vs what's to lose.
Not just the Knox features, which I don't use, but the device itself could be bricked. It will easily last another 2+ years* with the only repairs being a battery replacement, and maybe a C port PCB.
My oldest Note is almost 2.5 yo and shows no wear at all, the display is 100% on this heavily used device.
*a good case is mandatory or it will get destroyed. The only thing they like to do more than corner hit (the spen corner is the favorite drop contact point) when dropped is face plant
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I understand where you are coming from but that is not the question here. Yes almost all people can use a device fine without access to the bootloader. But for developers this is something that is very useful. Right now, yeah it seems like we are screwed. This is the first and last device I will purchase from Samsung. The bigger point here is that we can't even control the device that we own. I was looking to install a different distro and am unable to. It's not Samsung's place to say how we use our hardware. If it is touted as 'security' then fine, but give people a way to opt-out. If anything, it's to maintain the NSA's backdoor or other 'national security' code. Google devices at least provide straight forward instruction on how to access and flash different operating systems or distros of android.