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[IME/EXO][DISKUSSION] HTC U12+/Exodus 1 - Battery life / SoT Thread

Greetings,
this thread shall help us to discuss the overall experiences with battery life / SoT of our all new HTC U12+ (ime)/Exodus 1 (exo). As I'm receiving my demo unit soon, I'll start uploading screenshots of my personal battery life here, as you can do as well, as soon as you got your HTC U12+.
5m4r7ph0n36uru

Here's one impressive screen shot of @mrjwilliams that can also be found on Twitter.
Uptime 2d 12h 43m
Left 15%
SoT. 4h 39m
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So much for all the reviews that just talk about a reasonable battery consumption. Indeed, the consumption is really very impressive - in a positive sense, of course!

5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
So much for all the reviews that just talk about a reasonable battery consumption. Indeed, the consumption is really very impressive - in a positive sense, of course!
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I'm really hoping that in paying homage to the M9's hard edge around the screen, they also aren't paying homage to the M9's horrid battery life as well. The reviews all seem to say that the battery life is bad.

OGhoul said:
I'm really hoping that in paying homage to the M9's hard edge around the screen, they also aren't paying homage to the M9's horrid battery life as well. The reviews all seem to say that the battery life is bad.
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Reviews give you the battery life after the first 48 hoirs which is never great. The picture above shows it after a week of usage though. That's what's interesting, bit no blog and Tech review cares about doing it right nowadays.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Reviews give you the battery life after the first 48 hoirs which is never great. The picture above shows it after a week of usage though. That's what's interesting, bit no blog and Tech review cares about doing it right nowadays.
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Yep. I really don't pay battery talk from reviewers any attention. Most of these reviewers live inside the camera during their review period which murders battery compared to just using the phone like regular people do. Simulated battery test aren't realistic either.

5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Reviews give you the battery life after the first 48 hoirs which is never great. The picture above shows it after a week of usage though. That's what's interesting, bit no blog and Tech review cares about doing it right nowadays.
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mosincredible said:
Yep. I really don't pay battery talk from reviewers any attention. Most of these reviewers live inside the camera during their review period which murders battery compared to just using the phone like regular people do. Simulated battery test aren't realistic either.
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I agree for the most part, however Android Central is claiming they've had theirs for a week. On the flipside, a near 3500mah battery should be more than enough to go a day on a charge, even for a heavy user like myself. I mean, the Essential was the only Android phone that I can recall owning that would go a day for me, and it was only 3000mah. Sense is nearly as clean, the 845 is reputed to be a battery sipper, and another 500mah is another 500mah, so I'm hoping you're both right.

OGhoul said:
I agree for the most part, however Android Central is claiming they've had theirs for a week. On the flipside, a near 3500mah battery should be more than enough to go a day on a charge, even for a heavy user like myself. I mean, the Essential was the only Android phone that I can recall owning that would go a day for me, and it was only 3000mah. Sense is nearly as clean, the 845 is reputed to be a battery sipper, and another 500mah is another 500mah, so I'm hoping you're both right.
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Well you're that screenshot if mrjwilkiams posted above, didn't you!? So unless Android Central didn't do anything wrong, they should have gained the same at least.
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OGhoul said:
I agree for the most part, however Android Central is claiming they've had theirs for a week. On the flipside, a near 3500mah battery should be more than enough to go a day on a charge, even for a heavy user like myself. I mean, the Essential was the only Android phone that I can recall owning that would go a day for me, and it was only 3000mah. Sense is nearly as clean, the 845 is reputed to be a battery sipper, and another 500mah is another 500mah, so I'm hoping you're both right.
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Is the SD845 a battery sipper though? Most phones with it haven't had the best numbers. OP6 performs around the exact same as the 5T despite the newer processor. The S9/S9+ have worse numbers than the S8/S8+ with the same battery sizes. XZ2 has a larger battery than the XZ1 but the improvement in battery life is pretty much equal to the size increase. I think this is another bad snapdragon year in the making.
It could be Oreo though because my numbers went down as soon as my 10 got it. The whole story will develop as time passes.

5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Well you're that screenshot if mrjwilkiams posted above, didn't you!? So unless Android Central didn't do anything wrong, they should have gained the same at least.
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It could be the that the Twitter user was a very light user, or used power saving before 15%. I'm trying to argue it, I'd really prefer his numbers to be the norm rather than the outlier.
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Is the SD845 a battery sipper though? Most phones with it haven't had the best numbers. OP6 performs around the exact same as the 5T despite the newer processor. The S9/S9+ have worse numbers than the S8/S8+ with the same battery sizes. XZ2 has a larger battery than the XZ1 but the improvement in battery life is pretty much equal to the size increase. I think this is another bad snapdragon year in the making.
It could be Oreo though because my numbers went down as soon as my 10 got it. The whole story will develop as time passes.
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I said the 845 is supposed to be a sipper. I don't have one (yet) to personally test. I believe if this year is another dud year for Qualcomm, this could spell disaster for HTC. I dunno about Oreo being the culprit (overall); my girlfriend got 8.1 on her Essential and she hasn't complained about battery life (and believe me, she'd let me know). My fingers are crossed though.
Make no mistake though, I really do want the U12+ to meet my (IMO) reasonable expectations.

This is my battery stats! 70% time on WiFi 30% LTE. Battery drain is unusually high on LTE. Location off unless required Bluetooth sync off.

This is my first personal stats. 60% Wi-Fi, 40% 4G, BT on all time with a Smartwatch connected.
Listened to some music via USonic ANC Headset, streaming a few videos, browsing, mailing, XDA of course. After the first 58 hours up-time (so this being only the second full run) I'm pretty impressed of what I got
24h, 5h SoT
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Important piece of information, do you guys use Always On Display?

I thought the u12 doesn't use that feature?

ivicask said:
Important piece of information, do you guys use Always On Display?
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Yes I do.
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RyuujiTakasu said:
I thought the u12 doesn't use that feature?
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It does use it. But I couldn't find the adjustments in the settings menu yet, thus are running the out of the box standard setup.
Edit: nevermind just been blind. Found it.
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Can you try use phone for full charge without that feature?Lets see battery difference, after all its LCD not AMOLED.

My unlocked Galaxy S9+ is currently at about 29% with around 1:37 screen on time.....

Out of the box
Start at 80%
Setup and play with everything
screen on 4 hours and 24 minutes.
Go to bed 23:45 battery 24%
Wake up 05:45 battery 23%
Battery life is great for me.
I no it has to settle .
Anyway very happy with the result till now.
Grtz decodertje

Actually, feels like battery life decreases after the first day of use. It's understandable because of added apps. I charge it from 20-30 up to 80-90 (battery health squad). It gives me 4 hours of screen-on time. And I charge the phone only once a day with heavy usage. The major factor is screen brightness which drains battery damn fast when over 50%

Question How do you rate your Pixel 6 Pro battery usage?

Pixel 6 battery life claims vary wildly — what's the truth?
Pixel 6 battery life reports range from great to terrible
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Pixel 6 battery life claims vary wildly — what's the truth?
By Sean Riley 29 October 2021
Pixel 6 battery life reports range from great to terrible
Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro
(Image credit: Laptop Mag/Sean Riley)
The Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro are drawing universally rave reviews, but one feature that is proving somewhat contentious is battery life.
We encountered this issue during our testing of both phones, which did not hold up well to our Laptop Mag battery test, but performed excellently in real-world usage. So we decided to take a closer look at reviews from a dozen tech sites along with those from YouTubers to get a better sense of the truth of Pixel 6 battery life.
Pixel 6 battery life is great
Engadget
Engadget's Cherylnn Low said in her review that the "Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro last incredibly long." In the site's video rundown test, the Pixel 6 had one of the longest times the site has ever recorded at 20 hours and 30 minutes, while the Pixel 6 Pro put up a very respectable 17:13. As for her more anecdotal real-world experience, Low indicated that the "Pixel 6 Pro typically stuck around longer than a day and I never stopped to think about charging it."
The Verge
The Verge's Dan Seifert was uniform in his praise of the battery life on the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro, saying that "both are easily able to cruise through a full day of use" and that "most nights I went to bed with 35-40 percent battery remaining...." He also noted that this was with extensive camera use and the always-on display feature active, and that he feels some users should be able to "stretch this to two days without much effort."
Pixel 6 Pro
Gizmodo
In Sam Rutherford's review of the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro for Gizmodo, he noted that both phones were impressive in their video rundown test and in real-world usage. For the latter, he said the "Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro routinely had 30% to 40% battery life in the tank at the end of the day...." In their video rundown test, the Pixel 6 had the second-longest result Gizmodo has ever seen at 18 hours and 56 minutes. Only the iPhone 13 Pro Max outlasted it at 19:30. The Pixel 6 Pro didn't fare quite as well in the video rundown, but at 16:45, it matched the Galaxy S21 Ultra.
Mashable
Mashable's Joseph Volpe similarly lavished praise on the real-world battery life of both phones calling it, "all-day-and-then-some battery life...." Volpe wrote that after a mix of "texting, Twitter scrolling, Slacking, photo-taking, and Chrome browsing)" for the day that both phones would typically end at around 35%.
Android Central
Android Central was slightly split on the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro battery with the reviewer for the Pixel 6 Pro, Nicholas Sutrich, considerably more impressed. He wasn't able to kill the battery in a day even pushing the Pixel 6 Pro with over an hour of camera use. He, too, believes users with lighter workloads should be able to get two days of usage. Ara Wagner, in her review of the Pixel 6, was more tempered with praise but still reported that she was left with 25-30% battery life after an average day with roughly 5.5 hours of screen on time.
Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro
Pixel 6 battery life is fine
CNET
CNET's reviews of the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro both landed on the battery for the phones being good, but not able to push beyond a single day of usage. In the Pixel 6 review, Patrick Holland said the battery was closer to lasting three-quarters of a day than a full day on a particularly heavy day of photo and video shooting. Andrew Hoyle put the Pixel 6 Pro as above average, but behind standouts like the iPhone 13 Pro.
Android Police
Android Police reviewers of the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro expressed hesitancy in inferring too much from just a week with the phone, but both deemed it to be "good." While changes to the battery life Settings menu in Android 12 have made it harder to track, Ryne Hager offered that he measured roughly 7 hours of screen-on time for the Pixel 6 Pro. Hager notes that low-light photography was a real killer for the Pixel 6 Pro, but concluded the phone's endurance was "pretty good."
Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro
TheUnlockr
David Cogen, a.k.a. TheUnlockr on YouTube, ruled that the battery life was "pretty good" in his testing. He dropped the Pixel 6 Pro to 2% battery remaining at 10:30 p.m. after starting the day at 9 a.m., but that was on a testing day that involved over an hour of camera usage and, as he notes, "not a normal day." On a less aggressive day of testing, he was able to coast through with about 20% remaining after starting the day slightly below 100%.
TechRadar
In TechRadar's reviews of the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro, both reviewers deemed the battery life to be adequate, but not outstanding. Each one got through a full day on a single charge, but not beyond. They considered it to be a weakness for the phone overall, but not to the degree that it should sway a purchasing decision.
9to5Google
Ben Schoon of 9to5Google settled on the Pixel 6 Pro battery life being solid for all-day performance but said it won't push much past that point. In testing, which was made more difficult by Android 12's new battery usage tracking, the phone only needed to top up on one day when it reached 20% by 8pm. Otherwise, he would typically end the day with just under 15% and also clarifies that this is during heavy use for his review.
Pixel 6
Pixel 6 battery life is bad
MKBHD
Marques Brownlee, a.k.a MKBHD, has been the harshest critic of the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro battery life. He reported seeing 3.5 to 4.5 hours of screen on time with the Pixel 6 Pro and less than that with the Pixel 6. This rated an "average at best" from Brownlee and he concluded this would be a phone that would be dead at the end of the day pretty often for him. He's more accepting of it on the Pixel 6, but concludes that "The battery situation for me has been overall kind of a bummer on the flagship."
Mr. Mobile
Michael Fisher, a.k.a MrMobile, mirrored MKBHD's thoughts, saying that "the only consistent low point...is battery life." He clarifies that it is a full-day phone, but that it is running low a lot earlier in the day than he would like. He also reiterates the same complaint of some of the others that Android 12's new power consumption makes it much harder to diagnose the culprit for the battery drain.

Nice. Marques telling us the truth!

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For the high SOT refuters, could you also post app usage statistics so they can compare why their SOT is so less when they get nothing but abysmal SOT on 5G with signal strength of 1 bar, 120 Hz at full brightness playing Genshin Impact on extreme graphics for only three hours straight?

MArtyChubbs said:
Nice. Marques telling us the truth!
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his version of the truth, it doesnt match my version of it

That's why standardized tests are imperative balancing out different versions of truth and help us gauge an average baseline battery performance number
Google Pixel 6 Pro review
Google is officially back. The Google Pixel 6 Pro is leagues ahead of its predecessors in hardware, software, and design with a brand-new set of camera...
www.gsmarena.com

miravision said:
That's why standardized tests are imperative balancing out different versions of truth and help us gauge an average baseline battery performance number
Google Pixel 6 Pro review
Google is officially back. The Google Pixel 6 Pro is leagues ahead of its predecessors in hardware, software, and design with a brand-new set of camera...
www.gsmarena.com
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third time youve posted this now in different threads. Do you really need to spam the forum with it

I've been having decent battery life so far

OtisFeelgood said:
I've been having decent battery life so far
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So what's decent for you? What did you vote on in the poll?

I'm not voting on this* as I know for sure that different usage gives different hours on a day-to-day basis. That said, I'm somewhere in the two best/longest categories and probably more to the best-est (technical term).
*I must remind everyone that mixing qualitative (the experience of) and quantitative (the number of) in the same options is questionable (<50%)

EeZeEpEe said:
So what's decent for you? What did you vote on in the poll?
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I chose the 2nd best option. I came from the S21 Ultra. I'd say they both were similar for me when it comes to battery life.

kboya said:
I'm not voting on this* as I know for sure that different usage gives different hours on a day-to-day basis. That said, I'm somewhere in the two best/longest categories and probably more to the best-est (technical term).
*I must remind everyone that mixing qualitative (the experience of) and quantitative (the number of) in the same options is questionable (<50%)
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Yes someone's "okay" is another person's "great" and vice versa but I just went by the hours.

skimminstones said:
third time youve posted this now in different threads. Do you really need to spam the forum with it
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It's relevant to the thread. It's the first time in this thread. The third time posting the same thing in different relevant threads over several days, not all at once - is not spamming. Less caffeine for you!

3.6*
Not great, not terrible.
*not talkin' 'bout hours

For me i got 5-6 for 24H Smooth Display On - AOD OFF

roirraW edor ehT said:
It's relevant to the thread. It's the first time in this thread. The third time posting the same thing in different relevant threads over several days, not all at once - is not spamming. Less caffeine for you!
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no, 3 times within 30 mins in 3 seperate threads IS spamming with the same link

skimminstones said:
no, 3 times within 30 mins in 3 seperate threads IS spamming with the same link
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Care to make a third non-relevant post about it in a single thread in a single day?
skimminstones said:
care to stop being an idiot?
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Edit: You don't seem to be learning. I bet you calling me in idiot is actually in XDA's rules to not do, versus the other's posting the same thing in three relevant threads.

roirraW edor ehT said:
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care to stop being an idiot?

Absolutely agree with MKBHD. People may say he is biased towards Apple but he is right this time. I am big Google Pixel series fan. I dont like iOS at all. I am using PIxel 6 Pro and I can tell you the sot i get is 4 to 4.5 hours with smooth display turned on. Mind you I am in a non-5G region and I dont play games at all. Imagine playing games on it as well and using 5G? The sot will surely come down crashing to below 4 hours for sure which is really bad for 5000 mAh battery phone. I use my phone with smooth display turned off and now I get 5.5 hours sot max. The battery life can be decent if you turn off 5G and Smooth display, but whats the point then if you have to compromise?

Just checked the usage and sum up my day:
16 hours total time since cable off.
3.5 hours screen on time (normal-light use, Firefox/FB/Twitter/Calls/SMS etc with some short videos)
45% battery is used. (drop from 85% to 41%)
The idle drop is ~ 2% per hour with ambient display always on, stock ROM, and "hey google" turn off.
Without gaming and heavy videos, it could easily go 8 hours screen-on-time for a whole day.

Question Battery Life 6 vs 6 ro

How's everyones battery life? I've got a pixel 6 and a pixel 6 pro here. Accubattery on the pixel 6 says 12h screen on time. On the pixel 6 pro it's says 6 hours ish.
i'm sure this is a fault of accubattery, but just thought i'd check to see what people are getting.

Report back with a few days of actual use since you own both and share your hands on experience comparing the pro and non pro

going to do a test tomorrow with youtube running etc on both from 100%

Install GSam battery monitor for better battery usage measurements

It would be appreciated if you can show how much time was spent at which CPU state frequency
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I easily get 2 full days between charges with approximately 8 hours total sot. YMMV depending on what you do and how you do it.

That GSAM battery report ( looks very nice ! ! ! ) only works on rooted, right ?

old_fart said:
That GSAM battery report ( looks very nice ! ! ! ) only works on rooted, right ?
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Nope, you can use an ADB command to get detailed stats

kboya said:
I easily get 2 full days between charges with approximately 8 hours total sot. YMMV depending on what you do and how you do it.
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That's insane battery.

Had youtube running for 90 mins so far on each. Identical vieos, identical brightness, same apps on both. The Pixel 6 is on 95%, the pixel 6 pro is on 91%. I know that's not indicative of anything as its too early, but so far its backing up what accubattery says that the 6 will last twice as long as the 6 pro.

freeflyer said:
Had youtube running for 90 mins so far on each. Identical vieos, identical brightness, same apps on both. The Pixel 6 is on 95%, the pixel 6 pro is on 91%. I know that's not indicative of anything as its too early, but so far its backing up what accubattery says that the 6 will last twice as long as the 6 pro.
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It must not be lowering framerate while watching youtube. Can you check on both phones what the framerate is.

After the 14mb update yesterday, my P6P's battery life is bad. In 7 hours since full charge and the phone is at 47%. Maybe 5 photos, no more than an hour of screen time and an hour of youtube streaming with the screen off (listening while exercising).
Keep going back and forth about returning it and getting the iPhone 13 Max.

Do i need to install an app to do that?
Nothing makes sense with the 6. In the battery estimation in the phones setting (may not be accurate) at 90% the non pro 6 states over 2 days usage. The 6 pro states 19 hours at similar battery level. Using accubattery, the non pro 6 says i'll get 12h SOT (i doubt this) but the 6 pro states 5h.
Battery levels are now levelling off however, the non pro 6 is at 90%, the 6 pro is at 85%.

My battery was solid on my 128gb and the same is true on my 256gb. Today is my first day on it, and it's giving me the same type of battery life. Best of all, it hasn't had time to learn my pattern. Even so, I got over 17 hours of battery with over 6 hours of talk time and over 3.5 hours of screen.
I took the phone off the charger around 6am, used GPS, listened to podcasts for hours, talked on the phone for hours, did some web browsing, played a game a little bit, and did more GPS and never touched a charger today. Fast forward to around 12:30 at night, and I'm just now having to charge it. That's solid!

We already have a dedicated battery life thread spanning more than a dozen pages.
Battery life thread
My battery life is not great. Became worse after rooting. Better than my 4XL, but not getting "all day plus" battery life. What are others experiencing? 🙏🙏🙏 For some magic by the great @Freak07...
forum.xda-developers.com
Please continue your discussion there.
We don't need a dozen threads about the same topic, the forum is already confusing enough because XDA mods don't like the old subforum style anymore.

Morgrain said:
We already have a dedicated battery life thread spanning more than a dozen pages.
Battery life thread
My battery life is not great. Became worse after rooting. Better than my 4XL, but not getting "all day plus" battery life. What are others experiencing? 🙏🙏🙏 For some magic by the great @Freak07...
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Please continue your discussion there.
We don't need a dozen threads about the same topic, the forum is already confusing enough because XDA mods don't like the old subforum style anymore.
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I did search, and actually a battery life thread was hard to find. Besides which, are you aware that you can have different variants of the same subject? They dont always intertwine and one can go down a completely different path to the other. This particular thread for example is about the difference between the 6 and 6 pro battery life.
I ran an owners group forum with thousands of members for many years. Guess what.. we had different threads covering different aspects of the same subject ! And no one got confused !!

The 6 pro has now levelled out. The 6 is at 68% and the 6 pro is at 58%, with identical usage. I guess with a few tweaks the pro would match the 6 for battery, but the 6 definitely has the better life.

freeflyer said:
I did search, and actually a battery life thread was hard to find. Besides which, are you aware that you can have different variants of the same subject? They dont always intertwine and one can go down a completely different path to the other. This particular thread for example is about the difference between the 6 and 6 pro battery life.
I ran an owners group forum with thousands of members for many years. Guess what.. we had different threads covering different aspects of the same subject ! And no one got confused !!
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If you want a dedicated thread to specifically address the battery life difference between the P6 & P6 Pro, you should edit your thread title accordingly, as of this moment it's called "Battery Life" - and we already have a thread dedicated to the "general" topic of battery life (called "Battery life thread", lol).

nah i'm fine

freeflyer said:
How's everyones battery life? I've got a pixel 6 and a pixel 6 pro here. Accubattery on the pixel 6 says 12h screen on time. On the pixel 6 pro it's says 6 hours ish.
i'm sure this is a fault of accubattery, but just thought i'd check to see what people are getting.
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My first 3 days were terrible. After 7-10 days, then I started to see what my real usage would be.
Remember to keep in mind that AccuBattery gives you maximum estimates for screen on and screen off. So that would be 100% fully screen on or 100% fully screen off. The more important numbers are the combined use estimate (which has been pretty dead accurate to me saying 16-17 hours which I am getting with a full charge) and the average battery usage %/h. I do like how the app only uses your last 7 days to keep the averages and estimates recent. Would be nice if they can have a 5 day or 3 day view though.

It's time to say goodbye to the note10+

I've just switched to the s21ultra because I couldn't do differenty....
In Italy now there are some excellent offers from Samsung:
- our beloved note10+ has a whopping 550€ payback!
- you'll also receive a free spen cover + spen
- a chromebook go
bye bye note
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Oh my... NO.
Say goodbye to your 1tb data drive, native spen, near perfect color rendering and Android 10... Android 11 is no gift.
Meh 2 months ago I delibrately bought a new N10+ 4G Snapdragon because of Samsung's and Android's 2021 fails.
Lol, a new N10+ was worth $800 to me...
my two N10+'s aren't for sale, swap or trade
New, factory sealed N10+'s/Android 10 are still available.

blackhawk said:
Oh my... NO.
Say goodbye to your 1tb data drive, native spen, near perfect color rendering and Android 10... Android 11 is no gift.
Meh 2 months ago I delibrately bought a new N10+ 4G Snapdragon because of Samsung's and Android's 2021 fails.
Lol, a new N10+ was worth $800 to me...
my two N10+'s aren't for sale, swap or trade
New, factory sealed N10+'s/Android 10 are still available.
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i'm a note lover too, the note10+ was my third note but it's now more than 2 years old.
of course it works well and always will but it's getting old and its value is now very low (at least here in Italy)
it's also out of production and impossible to find (even the note20 is out of stock and won't available any time soon)
even if you are happy with your note, one day or another you'll have to change it, it happened to me when i sold my note3 but if i didn't i wouldn't have never had my note10 some years later!

alessandro_xda said:
i'm a note lover too, the note10+ was my third note but it's now more than 2 years old.
of course it works well and always will but it's getting old and its value is now very low (at least here in Italy)
it's also out of production and impossible to find (even the note20 is out of stock and won't available any time soon)
even if you are happy with your note, one day or another you'll have to change it, it happened to me when i sold my note3 but if i didn't i wouldn't have never had my note10 some years later!
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The most recent N10+ was manufactured in December 2020, likely one of the last production runs.
My oldest one had it's battery replaced in 4.2021, it lasted less then 1.5 years. That's the only repair that's been needed. From now on I will likely replace the battery yearly to avoid a potentially phone damaging battery failure.
If you don't drop it or update it, keep display brightness at 50% or lower, it will easily run 2+ years with no issues. The current condition of the oldest one and the dismal 2021 offerings compelled me to buy a second 10+ to serve as a backup like for when doing battery replacements.
Updates break phones, malware breaks them only if you load it. The oldest 10+ is running on Pie and hasn't been updated in 2 years. Security is simply not an issue in real world use in spite of known vulnerabilities; I take some precautions due to this with settings. Current OS load is over 1.5 years old, fast and stable with minimum maintenance. That's another reason why I like this platform.
If your newer phone fulfills it's mission you do get some advantages. I wouldn't update to Android 12 until it's been out for a length of time to see how well it's doing.
The hardware gains and usability are offset somewhat by Android 11's pathetic scooped storage implementation, the issues with variable rate displays and 5G implementation. All are still problematic not just on Samsung's but all newest generation models.
Worse there's been higher numbers of display failures this year it seems.
Given how long it took me to optimize the N10+ and get it to it's current level of functionality is another reason I'm not willing to adapt the latest new technologies. Set up for the second N10+ was nearly identical to the first one. Even my package disabler list was able to be uploaded with only a few modifications. While the higher refresh rate be nice, I'm not willing to trade color rendering or low light level color rendering for it.
The 20U's faster response spen be nice but I have to suck up the cam hump, 5G and variable refresh issues to get it. On all other new flagship Samsung's I lose the indispensable SD card support. Issues with Android 11 would likely damage SD card functionality as well.
So rather than risk lose of functionality/usability and waste my time... the N10+ remains my weapon of choice.
It's a fast, dependable, stable work platform.

Went the other way around for me, from a S21 Ultra to a Note 10+ because the Ultra developed a fault which I couldn't get fixed due to rooting it.
Must say for the majority of things I see little to no difference, especially given there is somewhere to put the pen. Only things I really miss are the 120hz display, a slightly better battery life and the camera, which is far better than the Note's for reasons I don't need to go into. But whilst I realise the S21 Ultra is far faster, for day to day use I don't notice the difference. Certainly not to the point which makes the S21 Ultra worth the additional money you'd need to fork out.
Must say I'm liking the looks of the S22 Ultra though. But I swore I'd never get another Samsung after what happened with my S21 Ultra and them refusing a paid repair. I only got this Note because a friend was selling it cheap.

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Went the other way around for me, from a S21 Ultra to a Note 10+ because the Ultra developed a fault which I couldn't get fixed due to rooting it.
Must say for the majority of things I see little to no difference, especially given there is somewhere to put the pen. Only things I really miss are the 120hz display, a slightly better battery life and the camera, which is far better than the Note's for reasons I don't need to go into. But whilst I realise the S21 Ultra is far faster, for day to day use I don't notice the difference. Certainly not to the point which makes the S21 Ultra worth the additional money you'd need to fork out.
Must say I'm liking the looks of the S22 Ultra though. But I swore I'd never get another Samsung after what happened with my S21 Ultra and them refusing a paid repair. I only got this Note because a friend was selling it cheap.
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S22U turned out to be a turd for me. Had two, first one screen glitched and second one lower half of screen had that usual OLED green tint which I despise. Both devices ran hotter and battery life was meh, unless using 60Hz. I noticed the trend with poor efficiency and heat from the N20U thru to S22U.The later being the worst.
Guess what? I ordered a Note 10+ from Samsung USA . It'll be nice having the SD card back and also the S-Pen located on the correct side.

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S22U turned out to be a turd for me. Had two, first one screen glitched and second one lower half of screen had that usual OLED green tint which I despise. Both devices ran hotter and battery life was meh, unless using 60Hz. I noticed the trend with poor efficiency and heat from the N20U thru to S22U.The later being the worst.
Guess what? I ordered a Note 10+ from Samsung USA . It'll be nice having the SD card back and also the S-Pen located on the correct side.
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Yay and ouch. What gets it done best is all that counts...
Optimized the N975U is a cool running flagship that's only a fraction of a second slower than the S22U, and very noticeably faster as the ram fills up. The Beast is a running machine that's drop dead gorgeous... still. wtf Samsung?
This is typical battery usage on my degraded battery nearing replacement time. Estimated capacity is 3500-3800 mAh. It's running cool and is still snappy fast in the optimized power setting mode. No battery optimization or global power management in use.

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Yay and ouch. What gets it done best is all that counts...
Optimized the N975U is a cool running flagship that's only a fraction of a second slower than the S22U, and very noticeably faster as the ram fills up. The Beast is a running machine that's drop dead gorgeous... still. wtf Samsung?
This is typical battery usage on my degraded battery nearing replacement time. Estimated capacity is 3500-3800 mAh. It's running cool and is still snappy fast in the optimized power setting mode. No battery optimization or global power management in use.
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Those figures look like what the S22U achievied for me, at 60Hz. With 120Hz enabled shave off another 15-20% SOT.
Do happen to have screen shots of Accubattery Pro showing the battery status health of the Note 10+ during its first few cycles of its life? I don't recall Pie , but I remember it should be around 89% on Android 10 onwards. It went pear shaped reporting battery health wise for Samsung devices from Android 9 or 10 onwards using these apps.
Strange, I am actually looking forward in receiving old tech soon. I had skipped the Note 5 and Note 10 series completely at the time. T Mobile at the time was doing a special for new customers for the S10 series so myself and the worst half bought the S10+ during that incarnation era.

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Those figures look like what the S22U achievied for me, at 60Hz. With 120Hz enabled shave off another 15-20% SOT.
Do happen to have screen shots of Accubattery Pro showing the battery status health of the Note 10+ during its first few cycles of its life? I don't recall Pie , but I remember it should be around 89% on Android 10 onwards. It went pear shaped reporting battery health wise for Samsung devices from Android 9 or 10 onwards using these apps.
Strange, I am actually looking forward in receiving old tech soon. I had skipped the Note 5 and Note 10 series completely at the time. T Mobile at the time was doing a special for new customers for the S10 series so myself and the worst half bought the S10+ during that incarnation era.
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The S22U should be better percentage wise, it's got 5000 mAh battery! It's relative to total battery capacity.
The S22U also has more efficient ram and none of that pesky expandable storage
Lol, I toss old screen shots a lot.
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The S22U should be better percentage wise, it's got 5000 mAh battery! It's relative to total battery capacity.
The S22U also has more efficient ram and none of that pesky expandable storage
Lol, I toss old screen shots a lot.
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I was referring to screen shot of health on new device, you never came across as someone that deleted old screen shots. How the hell do you make comparisons son?

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I was referring to screen shot of health on new device, you never came across as someone that deleted old screen shots. How the hell do you make comparisons son?
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The old fashioned way, memory
I look at Accubattery history daily to see what it's doing. Lol, do you have any idea how many screenshots I take some days?
It's so easy on the N10+ and than there's Screen Write too. The Note features are quit additive...or at least they used to be
How long till you go full retro?

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The old fashioned way, memory
I look at Accubattery history daily to see what it's doing. Lol, do you have any idea how many screenshots I take some days?
It's so easy on the N10+ and than there's Screen Write too. The Note features are quit additive...or at least they used to be
How long till you go full retro?
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Looking forward to doing my screen shooting soon , more so that the S Pen is easier to access. I sure missed the location from back in the Note 9 days. With the Note 20 Ultra and later S22U I never used the S pen due to it being located on the wrong side for me. My life is full retro, and full circles, long story.

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Looking forward to doing my screen shooting soon , more so that the S Pen is easier to access. I sure missed the location from back in the Note 9 days. With the Note 20 Ultra and later S22U I never used the S pen due to it being located on the wrong side for me. My life is full retro, and full circles, long story.
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Samsung has repeatedly dropped the ball on its newer flagships. The N10+'s form factor, functionality and usability is suberb. I wouldn't even trade the N10+ for any of them let alone pay for them.
I'm holding in my hand a 1.5tb dual drive Beast that's snappy fast, very stable, and runs like a gorgeous she bat out of hell.

Question How is the phone now? Considering switching

So I saw that upon release the 6 pro had a lot of bugs, bad battery life, etc but I'm curious months later how is the phone? I currently have the s21 ultra but I'm considering switching to this phone just because I'm a pixel fan and I know that camera is a beast.

I've not had any of the issues others had on this phone. Battery life is decent for me plenty of sot over a days worth. Just recently got the 12L beta and using it as a daily driver with no issues

Yep I too confirm that I don't have the experiences others have. I've had great experience with my 6 pro and love this phone.

The first phone I had was terrible, the 2nd one I smashed in a fit of rage. Now the third one I have has been AWESOME.
I really enjoy the reliability of it. Super quick phone for my needs.

My wife and I have loved ours all along, for closer to four months now (over 3 1/2 months). We haven't had any major issues at all, including the fingerprint readers.

First pixel and have never had a problem, seems the issues are way overblown like every new popular device, they'll all move to the next major release for free clickbait and money

KageBeast said:
So I saw that upon release the 6 pro had a lot of bugs, bad battery life, etc but I'm curious months later how is the phone? I currently have the s21 ultra but I'm considering switching to this phone just because I'm a pixel fan and I know that camera is a beast.
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The P6 Pro's display is likely to be inferior to the S21U's in color rendering index and white point.
It's a problem common to all variable refresh rate displays, they are much more problematic to calibrate. Samsung is at the top of the game for doing this.
Samsung gives you countless free themes, icon packs, even virtual buttons if you want plus the Good Lock customization apps. Customization with a Samsung shouldn't be an issue.
Until something clearly better comes along I would wait however...
If you're hell bent on a P6 Pro, get it.
Life is short, enjoy it. The phone is with you most of the time.

If you currently have the S21U then moving to the p6p isn't really that much of an upgrade.
The p6p camera is marginally better at best.
Like previously stated above and I confirm the screen on my S21U looks way better than the p6p.
The only reason I'd recommend the p6p is if you just like pure android.
This is just my take on it.
I do own both.

Despite my original P6P going bad (touch screen issues) after a month or so of owning it. With my replacement, I couldn't be happier. Battery life is great, performance is solid, and I have zero issues. The 12L Beta 3 feels like how this phone should have been at launch.

I love it, it's my first high refresh rate! Before I was using 60hz

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If you currently have the S21U then moving to the p6p isn't really that much of an upgrade.
The p6p camera is marginally better at best.
Like previously stated above and I confirm the screen on my S21U looks way better than the p6p.
The only reason I'd recommend the p6p is if you just like pure android.
This is just my take on it.
I do own both.
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Yeah I do know samsung has the best screens and sorry I wasn't looking for an upgrade just a change of pace really. My last phone was the s20 fe and then before that I had a oneplus phone which I really loved. I do love samsung and know their phones are fantastic but yeah I do love pure android. Thank you for your response.

Thank you everyone for your reply/input! My last pixel phone was the 2xl and I've been craving to have another pixel so I may give this a shot. Like blackhawk said life is short so might as well pick what I want and not worry too much about having the best or whatever.

Never had a problem with mine. I replaced my Xperia 1 lll with this and I don't regret it at all. Would have been nice of the screen was flat but all in all great phone. I installed the Whitestone dome tempered glass and it's perfect

My primary P6P issue has been connectivity. I can't say it is only the modem and software. With 5G on, it is a battery vampire. However, I think constant bouncing between cell towers where I live is a contributor.
I wish I could say I haven't had other issues with the monthly updates. November was fine, however the following introduced or exacerbated ill behavior.
Bluetooth worked flawlessly until February's update.
Anyway, good luck!

P6P is awesome. I bought out my OnePlus 9($517) traded it in for $600 towards my pixel 6 pro. Sold my S21 Ultra in the process. Battery on the S21 Ultra was complete @$$. Super happy with my phone as the battery lasts a full shift of work with close to 8hr SOT. Got my wife the S22 Ultra that arrives on Monday.
Get the phone that suits you and your needs. I like simplicity and I'm tired of flashing roms to get a Pixel UI so why not just buy a Pixel haha. That's just me

KageBeast said:
So I saw that upon release the 6 pro had a lot of bugs, bad battery life, etc but I'm curious months later how is the phone? I currently have the s21 ultra but I'm considering switching to this phone just because I'm a pixel fan and I know that camera is a beast.
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For now same bugs, just few of its:
1. Battery life is not good
2. Fast charge is not fast, because when battery temperature come to 100F charging current decreases to 0,9A
3. 5G/volte/vowifi work only in supported and few other country (volte/viwifi you can enable with root, 5g-no)
4. FoD work more good that on start, but not great.
5. No faceid
6. Signal level is less, than on Samsung in same situation.
7. AoD has no settings at all
8. For connecting 3.5 or headset you need DAC, other headset and type-c->3.5 would not work.
Absolutly no reasons to switch from Samsung S21U to Pixel 6/pro. I want to switch back to Samsung.

I just got mine a few days ago (256gb version from Germany as only 128gb version is available in France).
I'm a bit disappointed I must admit. I knew there was a chance of having some issues as I did a lot of research before buying, but there are a lot of people very happy so I took a chance.
I don't have any of the real bugs others do (wifi, Bluetooth disconnects,etc) so I am lucky in that respect, but the FP scanner, charging speed and battery life alone show that Google made a cheap phone, not a flagship.
Coming from a OnePlus 8, the pill is kinda hard to swallow.
I like the design and really hope the experience will improve, but I think the issues I have are hardware related so can't really be fixed (FP and old Samsung modem).
Android 12 will of course improve over time (I just reverted from 12L beta last night - wanted to see if FP and/or battery life improved with second Feb update - I can't draw any conclusions yet).
I still don't get how during 2 hours of airplane mode, the battery is showing mobile network at 36%.
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joaste said:
I just got mine a few days ago (256gb version from Germany as only 128gb version is available in France).
I'm a bit disappointed I must admit. I knew there was a chance of having some issues as I did a lot of research before buying, but there are a lot of people very happy so I took a chance.
I don't have any of the real bugs others do (wifi, Bluetooth disconnects,etc) so I am lucky in that respect, but the FP scanner, charging speed and battery life alone show that Google made a cheap phone, not a flagship.
Coming from a OnePlus 8, the pill is kinda hard to swallow.
I like the design and really hope the experience will improve, but I think the issues I have are hardware related so can't really be fixed (FP and old Samsung modem).
Android 12 will of course improve over time (I just reverted from 12L beta last night - wanted to see if FP and/or battery life improved with second Feb update - I can't draw any conclusions yet).
I still don't get how during 2 hours of airplane mode, the battery is showing mobile network at 36%.
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The battery should improve over time

I'm having 2 main issues. My cellular signal is always dropping. I live in Winnipeg, MB, Canada. We do have 5g. My Pixel 3 xl has no trouble getting signal but this pixel 6 is terrible. I drop connection every 2 hours for about 5 minutes. As a result calls drop, and SMS don't send.
Lots of trouble with the fingerprint scanner. I get that it is slow (takes 3 seconds to unlock with my finger) but it fails 1/3 of the time and I have to put in the phone's code.
Despite these problems I am surprising satisfied with everything else. The device is fast. It gets batter battery life then my Pixel 3 XL.
Sadly because of the problems I am experiencing I still can't advise anyone get this device. Not until they fix these cellular issues. It's a phone and top priority should be reliable cellular connections.

I dont have any bugs, never had. Only the fingerprint used to be a bit slow and my battery life was not as good as some people post online.
Everything is much better on 12L. Fingerprint is faster and now unlocks on cheap plastic screen protector. Signal seems a little worse for me on 12L, even drops to 3g sometime at my moms house(never did before) but despite that the battery life for me is much better. I get about 6hr screen on time in like 48 hours of use. (Some people post they get around 10 to 11, I dont know how)