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Sprint converts its CDMA network to LTE, plans 'aggressive rollout' to be completed by 2013
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We knew more or less that anannouncement of this sort*was coming. Back in July,*Dan Hesse had teased usface-to-face with the promise of a "great story this fall around 4G," and now the time to tell that tale has arrived. At its strategy event today, Sprint finally went public with plans to "simplify its network" by converting its CDMA 1900MHz holdings and LightSquared's 1600MHZ spectrum ("pending FCC approval") to LTE, anindustry favorite. Helping the operator make that transition is the swath of 800MHz spectrum it reclaimed from the, now defunct,*iDEN push-to-talk network*-- which had been a drain on the company's resources. This spectrum, acquired from Nextel, will be phased out by mid-2013 and rolled into LTE. The company plans for a rapid deployment of this new 4G, with the first LTE markets and handsets to hit in mid-2012 with the full rollout mostly completed by 2013. Current subscribers signed up for WiMAX plans won't have to worry as their devices will continue to be supported throughout 2012.Beginning tomorrow, Sprint's consolidating its 4G LTE (including LightSquared), 3G and Direct Connect networks into one single architecture. All the major technical milestones, such as test calls and field integration, have cleared their hurdles and work on over 22,000 cell sites are currently in process. Samsung, Alcatel Lucent and Ericsson have partnered with Sprint to install multimode 3G and 4G base stations to handle the network's future traffic, essential for deploying the multitude of frequencies required by hosted devices. Prospective iPhone 4S users on the network will be able to take advantage of better signal strength and improved voice service as Sprint intends to also offload the latter onto 800MHz.Expect a steep "reduction in roaming costs" and deeper signal penetration throughout the operator's expanding national footprint over the course of the next two years. Naturally, LTE speeds on this new network will be significantly improved over the currently in-use WiMAX, and a planned implementation of WiFi offloading should help to cut congestion by 20 percent. By the end of next year, Sprint aims to have a combined WiMAX/LTE population coverage of 176 million -- with 123 million covered by LTE and 76 million overlapping both. When the network build-out is nearly complete in 2013, the company should have over 250 million blanketed in LTE, far outstripping the stagnant 120 million served by WiMAX.
Source: http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...a-network-to-lte/&category=classic&postPage=1
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I really don't think Engadget and BGR are getting this right! It's not being converted to LTE - the LTE will be everywhere that 3G is, but its multimode architecture doesn't mean 3G is being replaced! They said they are "committed" to the 3G services long-term, and will be maintaining them. They pointed out how the enterprise customer is important, and demands at least 3-5 year stability.

k0nane said:
I really don't think Engadget and BGR are getting this right! It's not being converted to LTE - the LTE will be everywhere that 3G is, but its multimode architecture doesn't mean 3G is being replaced! They said they are "committed" to the 3G services long-term, and will be maintaining them. They pointed out how the enterprise customer is important, and demands at least 3-5 year stability.
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Yeah i agree ^^^

So am I safe with this new rollout with the E4GT?
3G speeds seriously blow ass here, and i get full bars

DonutGrunt said:
So am I safe with this new rollout with the E4GT?
3G speeds seriously blow ass here, and i get full bars
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Yes, though you won't get LTE. Capacity is being increased everywhere, even for 3G.

k0nane said:
Yes, though you won't get LTE. Capacity is being increased everywhere, even for 3G.
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This is confusing. I read on Blog post in Sprint website that we would be supported for LTE 4G since will use 800mhz for this. I guess we can hope and see what finally passes.

k0nane said:
Yes, though you won't get LTE. Capacity is being increased everywhere, even for 3G.
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How slow is Sprint's 3G compared to other networks?
I have 114 kB/s down right now

Docarut said:
This is confusing. I read on Blog post in Sprint website that we would be supported for LTE 4G since will use 800mhz for this. I guess we can hope and see what finally passes.
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[Citation Needed]
LTE is only, at this point, a speculation on 800mhz. 1900mhz is first, then 1600mhz via LightSquared.
DonutGrunt said:
How slow is Sprint's 3G compared to other networks?
I have 114 kB/s down right now
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I've seen 1.8mbit and as low as shameful. I'd say 800kbit-1mbit on average. Not bad, not amazing.

DonutGrunt said:
How slow is Sprint's 3G compared to other networks?
I have 114 kB/s down right now
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I had t-mobile up until this phone and t-mobile i was averaging about 3 to 6mbps down on their 3g on my nexus. I was also utilizing their hsdpa network as well.
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Docarut said:
This is confusing. I read on Blog post in Sprint website that we would be supported for LTE 4G since will use 800mhz for this. I guess we can hope and see what finally passes.
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Lte on 800MHz is different from our phones supporting the 800 mhz. Our only work on the network as far as cdma goes but we don't have a lte chip
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See now I don't know what to do. I was considering the ET4G or the Nexus Prime if it gets announced soon. But I'm wondering If I should stick with my OG EVO until LTE starts to roll out and see what phone comes then? My 3G blows along with 4G only getting like 2.5 down and I'm in Kansas City, right down the road from the Sprint Headquarters. I'm pretty disappointed in these speeds.

Iczer said:
See now I don't know what to do. I was considering the ET4G or the Nexus Prime if it gets announced soon. But I'm wondering If I should stick with my OG EVO until LTE starts to roll out and see what phone comes then? My 3G blows along with 4G only getting like 2.5 down and I'm in Kansas City, right down the road from the Sprint Headquarters. I'm pretty disappointed in these speeds.
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Sprint made it clear that LTE won't be of much use until late 2012, but they will be selling WiMAX phones through 2012 and supporting WiMAX for much longer. Also, watch for speed increases as they continue to increase backhaul as part of Network Vision.

What's most exciting about all this is the transition from EVDO to 1x advanced
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craigbailey1986 said:
Lte on 800MHz is different from our phones supporting the 800 mhz. Our only work on the network as far as cdma goes but we don't have a lte chip
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Thanks for the information. This from Sprint's Community Forum and comments muddy the water for guys like me.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com...blog/2011/09/15/what-is-sprint-network-vision

Docarut said:
Thanks for the information. This from Sprint's Community Forum and comments muddy the water for guys like me.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com...blog/2011/09/15/what-is-sprint-network-vision
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Read the Network Vision thread, and follow me on Twitter.

k0nane said:
Read the Network Vision thread, and follow me on Twitter.
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Will do. Thanks!

So will we see increases in 3G speeds? If so when should we expect this?
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dcraig723 said:
So will we see increases in 3G speeds? If so when should we expect this?
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I've answered this about ten times already. Please read the other thread.

I get REALLLLYYY SLOW 3g speeds in Metro Detroit.. i average 0.1 - 0.3 Mbps...

DonutGrunt said:
So am I safe with this new rollout with the E4GT?
3G speeds seriously blow ass here, and i get full bars
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3G speeds having nothing to do with the antenna bars you see on your phone. It would make sense that if you have a strong cell signal, you should also have a strong data signal, but welcome to Sprint!

Sprint is rolling out LTE Advanced in 2013!!

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Sprint just started building out*its LTE network, but being the eager beavers that they are, the folks in Overland Park are already talking about taking the Now Network to the next level. Iyad Tarazi, Sprint's VP of network development and engineering, said that Sprint will be rolling out an LTE-Advanced network in the first half of 2013. (As a brief refresher, LTE-Advanced is a*true 4G technology*that can make regular LTE speeds lookpositively pedestrian*in comparison.) Tarazi added that we would see 12 LTE devices in 2012 and that over 250 million people will have access to Sprint-flavored LTE by the end of 2013 -- with*voice over LTE*service coming in the first quarter of that year. For those (hundreds?) of you worried about the fate of of WiMAX, well, don't. Apparently, the out-of-favor 4G network will continue to be supported for several more years due to Sprint's agreement with Clearwire. So, it appears Sprint's really making a run atVerizon's*LTE hegemony. Good luck Mr. Hesse, you're probably going to need it.
Source: http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...nferiority-compl/&category=classic&postPage=1
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.

well to me that just means we got the galaxy just in time. hopefully we'll get lte about the time we get our phone upgrades renewed may just be about perfect timing.

I'd rather hear about they are going to put up more towers, increase 3g speed than these news

Tell Me about it I have crap speeds
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justwonder said:
I'd rather hear about they are going to put up more towers, increase 3g speed than these news
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They aren't going to put up new towers.
Sprint actually has the most towers of all the major carriers.
Network Vision is actually going to allow for less towers while giving more coverage and better speeds.
More towers does not necessarily mean more coverage.
Just higher costs to run the network / maintenance.

mattykinsx said:
They aren't going to put up new towers.
Sprint actually has the most towers of all the major carriers.
Network Vision is actually going to allow for less towers while giving more coverage and better speeds.
More towers does not necessarily mean more coverage.
Just higher costs to run the network / maintenance.
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This. Can't wait for LTE on Sprint.
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justwonder said:
I'd rather hear about they are going to put up more towers, increase 3g speed than these news
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Exactly. Sprint doesn't support Wimax in my area now - I can rarely connect and when I do I get crappy speeds. So their continued support of them doesn't exactly inspire me. As long as they are rolling out LTE why not roll out EVDO rev B at the same time at virtually no additional cost? And for goodness sakes, increase your backbone that the towers connect to and fix your proxy servers!

mattykinsx said:
They aren't going to put up new towers.
Sprint actually has the most towers of all the major carriers.
Network Vision is actually going to allow for less towers while giving more coverage and better speeds.
More towers does not necessarily mean more coverage.
Just higher costs to run the network / maintenance.
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Im confused y do people keep saying they want sprint to focus on 3g speeds and coverage from my understanding of network vision isnt that what they are doing in addition to switching to lte? I dunno maybe i missed read

mattykinsx said:
Sprint actually has the most towers of all the major carriers.
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On two separate networks, CDMA and iDEN?

asqwrd said:
Im confused y do people keep saying they want sprint to focus on 3g speeds and coverage from my understanding of network vision isnt that what they are doing in addition to switching to lte? I dunno maybe i missed read
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I don't know about others but I'm saying their network speeds where I need them - Arizon, CA, NY, FL and CT are wretched for 3G and 4G rarely even works well/frequently disconnects and isn't very fast where I've managed to maintain a connection. So to put it succinctly - Sprint data speeds suck both on 3G and 4G everyplace I need them.

boe said:
I don't know about others but I'm saying their network speeds where I need them - Arizon, CA, NY, FL and CT are wretched for 3G and 4G rarely even works well/frequently disconnects and isn't very fast where I've managed to maintain a connection. So to put it succinctly - Sprint data speeds suck both on 3G and 4G everyplace I need them.
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I live in the Bay area and although slow the speeds have been enough for me to surf and check stuff. I just recently finished school in NY and just moved out here a few months ago and my speeds in new york seemed fine as well as in CT. I had the EVO then and all summer until the epic came out. 4g has sucked as far as coverage everywhere i went but when i do get a connection the speeds were about 4-6mbps. To be honest i didnt notice that my 3g speeds were really slow until i started seeing people complain in threads lol i guess ignorance is bliss.

boe said:
Exactly. Sprint doesn't support Wimax in my area now - I can rarely connect and when I do I get crappy speeds. So their continued support of them doesn't exactly inspire me. As long as they are rolling out LTE why not roll out EVDO rev B at the same time at virtually no additional cost? And for goodness sakes, increase your backbone that the towers connect to and fix your proxy servers!
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Because they're quickly moving to LTE Advanced.
When they do that they will actually be a "true 4g" network with voip etc.
Everything will be data.
As far as your backbone comment, that's exactly what Network Vision is doing.
asqwrd said:
Im confused y do people keep saying they want sprint to focus on 3g speeds and coverage from my understanding of network vision isnt that what they are doing in addition to switching to lte? I dunno maybe i missed read
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That's exactly what Sprint is doing unfortunately people really haven't read into it.

"Within the range of system development, LTE-Advanced and WiMAX 2, can use up to 8x8 MIMO and 128 QAM. Example performance: 100MHz aggregated bandwidth, LTE-Advanced provides almost 3.3Gbit peak download rates per sector of the base station under ideal conditions. Advanced network architectures combined with distributed and collaborative smart antenna technologies provide several years road map of commercial enhancements."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced
Could you imagine 3.3Gbps? LOL

Overstew said:
Could you imagine 3.3Gbps? LOL
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I would be thrilled if Sprint even delivered 3mbps where I need it, frankly .3mbps is very discouraging.

Overstew said:
Could you imagine 3.3Gbps? LOL
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With the current limitations on data (except on Sprint) you could literally use your entire months 2GB allotment in 4.8 seconds.

Well..about 2 years to go..lol

i hope that i still like my phone for two years

http://m.intomobile.com/2011/10/27/...com/&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
This article says that sprints lye advanced will be around 15 mbps.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!

musclehead84 said:
http://m.intomobile.com/2011/10/27/...com/&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
This article says that sprints lye advanced will be around 15 mbps.
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Welcome to Sprint.
Cast aside your ideas on 3G and 4G speeds. We (at Sprint) don't throttle your speeds once you exceed 2GB or 5GB - we throttle from your very first kilobyte. Your speeds will be so slow you won't ever exceeed 2GB or 5GB. This is how we can offer unlimited data. But rest assured if our speeds improve for any unforseen reason, we'll include a $25 fee for your "outstanding" data experience on top of the $10 fee you pay for the "rich" data experience.
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Ajamucamphor said:
i hope that i still like my phone for two years
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I hope I make enough money to be on a better carrier in 2 years.

musclehead84 said:
http://m.intomobile.com/2011/10/27/...com/&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
This article says that sprints lye advanced will be around 15 mbps.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
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I have a hard time buying that LTE-Advanced would only achieve 12-15 mbps real world. LTE on Verizon currently gets that and that isn't even LTE-Advanced....
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http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/242661/sprint_aims_to_use_clearwires_lte_network.html
The more the merrier I always say.

4G symbol

is there a 4G symbol next to the signal strength or does it say LTE? mine says 4G but they show LTE on the nokia website. i didnt upgrade my plan so i was wondering if i have LTE enabled or not.

When the "4G" shows, you're connected to HSPA+. When LTE shows, you are in fact on the actual LTE network.

slojko said:
is there a 4G symbol next to the signal strength or does it say LTE? mine says 4G but they show LTE on the nokia website. i didnt upgrade my plan so i was wondering if i have LTE enabled or not.
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Really? You need a lte dataplan to have lte.

When you upgraded, your provider should have offered the LTE Data Plan upgrade also.
One thing I've noticed is that I'm ALWAYS showing 4G now. I cannot wait to be able to look at the registry, so I can check it. I believe they set normal 3G to show 4G now. I've never gotten HSPA+ here in the house, and now it's ALWAYS on? hmmmm
Still love the phone, but that's a bit misleading...

just looked at my plan on the AT&t website and i have a unlimited LTE plan, but i still dont see the LTE symbol
Closest LTE tower is 40 miles away

Looks like Nokia's doing exactly what Apple did with the 4.1 update.
Even though you're most likely still using 3G speeds, the phone will display 4G.
Misleading. Anything under 6mbps is 3G.
The phone will only show LTE when you're in an LTE city. If you live in the bay area you're in luck. Anywhere else, not so much. (except if you live in the other major markets)
As far as the folks still grandfathered into the unlimited data plan, the good news is since your device is LTE your speeds will not be throttled until you hit 5GBs.

As soon as we have registry access, I'll be changing it to show 3G when it's actually 3G. I don't like being deceived, especially when I'm trying to download something...

I asked about this in the store and got flat out lied to by the representatives. Saying how we were in a 4G area now and my speeds will be improved. Did a bandwith test at home and still was only getting 3.5 down. Coverage map according to at&t is the same at my house and the corporate store 12 miles away.

Yeah, I'm kinda irritated about this too. Even my microcell is being labeled as "4G". When I was at work yesterday, I tried a speed test on 4G and got .8 Mb down. You don't want to know what my upload speed was.

Compupaq said:
Yeah, I'm kinda irritated about this too. Even my microcell is being labeled as "4G". When I was at work yesterday, I tried a speed test on 4G and got .8 Mb down. You don't want to know what my upload speed was.
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did your upload speed require a stamp? :-D
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mistergreen said:
I asked about this in the store and got flat out lied to by the representatives. Saying how we were in a 4G area now and my speeds will be improved. Did a bandwith test at home and still was only getting 3.5 down. Coverage map according to at&t is the same at my house and the corporate store 12 miles away.
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I feel your pain, but why would you ever believe a sales rep about anything other than the amount charged to your credit card? They are salesmen. Next week it might be dishwashers, after that an underground sprinkler system. Though I feel you, you had that coming.

Just as I suspected. They've changed the Registry to show 4G even when it's definately NOT 4G. I am only able to read the Registry, so am still stuck with it, but at least I can confirm they have tried to pull the wool over my eyes as I thought.

How are they getting away with that ? Is that legal ? It must be something to do with Windows Phone, both my symbian Nokias are showing 3.5G symbol for HSPA+, not 4G.
I just looked at this wiki page, I don't know how accurate it is, but it shows the following:
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What is the difference between LTE and LTE Advanced ? According to this, even LTE is not 4G, its 3.9G.. and HSPA+ is 3.5G
Oh, here we go.. according to International Mobile Telecommunications this is what you need to market a device as a "4G" .. but I guess no one cares since most iPhones I see are showing 4G and they don't even have the radios for it. I guess this is the "loophole"
"On December 6, 2010, ITU-R recognized that these two technologies, as well as other beyond-3G technologies that do not fulfill the IMT-Advanced requirements, could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced compliant versions and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMT-Advanced#Requirements

Actually, I have no problem with them labeling HSPA+ as 4G. That's ok with me. But they've marked UMTS as 4G. Now that seems downright dishonest... It's my guess that was done by AT&T, not Nokia/Microsoft, since it directly benefits them...

yea this does blow
i look to be just on the outskirts of the Baltimore LTE signal for ATT, and would really like to know what sort of connection I actually have, not what they want to con me into thinking. thought I'd assume if I actually did have LTE, it would be saying so, at least hopefully.
it blows - there are three towers within 10 miles of my house, but none of them put off the LTE signal. they seem to have one every exit up and down I95 in the Baltimore/Metro area

emjlr3 said:
yea this does blow
i look to be just on the outskirts of the Baltimore LTE signal for ATT, and would really like to know what sort of connection I actually have, not what they want to con me into thinking. thought I'd assume if I actually did have LTE, it would be saying so, at least hopefully.
it blows - there are three towers within 10 miles of my house, but none of them put off the LTE signal. they seem to have one every exit up and down I95 in the Baltimore/Metro area
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Actually, the LTE symbol is set correctly. It will only show when you are actually connected to LTE. The only one I see set incorrectly is the UMTS. It's set to 4G instead of 3G. Unfortunately, UMTS is what I normally have at home. On rare occasion, I can get HSPA+. But it's just nice to know exactly what connection I have in case I'd like to download a larger file.

SuperSport said:
When you upgraded, your provider should have offered the LTE Data Plan upgrade also.
One thing I've noticed is that I'm ALWAYS showing 4G now. I cannot wait to be able to look at the registry, so I can check it. I believe they set normal 3G to show 4G now. I've never gotten HSPA+ here in the house, and now it's ALWAYS on? hmmmm
Still love the phone, but that's a bit misleading...
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I spoke to At&t about this. They told me the towers software is upgraded before the hardware. When that happens it will show 4G when you are getting 3G speeds. I may be wrong, but as I understand it 3G and 4G HSPA+ the difference is Fiber between towers instead of cable. Maybe someone can clarify for us if that's true.

Seed 2.0 said:
I spoke to At&t about this. They told me the towers software is upgraded before the hardware. When that happens it will show 4G when you are getting 3G speeds. I may be wrong, but as I understand it 3G and 4G HSPA+ the difference is Fiber between towers instead of cable. Maybe someone can clarify for us if that's true.
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That's very possible, but the issue I am having is that they simply changed in the Registry to show UMTS as 4G. That's just dishonest, unless they have some magical way of making UMTS 4G?
I'm sorry I keep going on about this. I'll stop... You won't normally see me complaining about this type of thing on these forums, I'm just a bit frustrated that it's been so blatently thrown in our faces. I still love the phone, and I actually don't mind the AT&T service I recieve, but they should TRY to not be dishonest as much as possible.

T-Mobile Note 2 and LTE Capabilities; Can it work on AT&T?

In conclusion, is it valid to say that the T-Mobiles Note 2 LTE Radio is more capable than AT&T's version?
When T-Mobile Enables Support for LTE on Note 2, can it be used with AT&T LTE for full 4G LTE speeds?
Does the Unlocked T-Mobile Note 2 work with AT&T's Proper LTE?

winlinmac001 said:
In conclusion, is it valid to say that the T-Mobiles Note 2 LTE Radio is more capable than AT&T's version?
When T-Mobile Enables Support for LTE on Note 2, can it be used with AT&T LTE for full 4G LTE speeds?
Does the Unlocked T-Mobile Note 2 work with AT&T's Proper LTE?
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STOCK PHONES
T889 gets HSPA+ on T-Mobile & HSPA+ on AT&T (no LTE anywhere)
I317 gets LTE on AT&T and EDGE on T-Mobile (not sure if it actually gets HSPA+ on the new T-Mobile 1900 Band... ) anyone else can elaborate?
Any Hybrid modem out yet? Anyway to get AT&T LTE on T889?

Okay, I'll admit that a small consideration when I bought a T-Mobile Note II rather than an AT&T one was that the radio appeared more versatile in case I wanted to switch carriers at some point, but the primary reason was I'd wanted to check out T-Mo's HSPA+42 service, which is available where I live and work, while AT&T's LTE service isn't yet.
I see what TEKHD is trying to do in another thread, and I have that in mind as the ideal phone (dual-sim Note II with AT&T & T-Mo sims), but for most people, I think the best advice is just decide what service you want and get that phone.
If AT&T LTE is what you want, get the i317 and don't worry about trying to get a T889 to use AT&T LTE until someone else actually proves it can be done easily and reliably.

TEKHD said:
STOCK PHONES
T889 gets HSPA+ on T-Mobile & HSPA+ on AT&T (no LTE anywhere)
I317 gets LTE on AT&T and EDGE on T-Mobile (not sure if it actually gets HSPA+ on the new T-Mobile 1900 Band... ) anyone else can elaborate?
Any Hybrid modem out yet? Anyway to get AT&T LTE on T889?
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I am using an AT&T Note II, unlocked and on a T-Mobile prepaid 4g plan. I get HSPA+ where I live (Mesa Arizona). It will be interesting to see if I pick up T-Mobiles LTE when it rolls out in a couple months. :fingers-crossed:

probably not
Tmo isnt rolling out LTE.. They dont even have a FCC license for it yet.. not do they have an equipment vendor.
**The closest thing in the states we will see.. is integrated LTE use from the recently acquired Metro PCS sites.. there are not even rumors of Tmo integrating LTE into their switching system yet.. they dont have CO equipment to handle it either.. so.....

CL3P20 said:
Tmo isnt rolling out LTE.. They dont even have a FCC license for it yet.. not do they have an equipment vendor.
**The closest thing in the states we will see.. is integrated LTE use from the recently acquired Metro PCS sites.. there are not even rumors of Tmo integrating LTE into their switching system yet.. they dont have CO equipment to handle it either.. so.....
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You're kidding right ? They have been testing it for a while now and are using equipment and frequencies acquired from verizon.

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You're kidding right ? They have been testing it for a while now and are using equipment and frequencies acquired from verizon.
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No Im not kidding. I would have to say you are badly misinformed. VZW does not make or supply equipment. VZW uses the same Ericsson RBS cabinets [6601 LTE] as ATT and Metro PCS [metro was recently acquired by Tmo.. but Tmo cannot integrate LTE into their current CO technology without retrofitting].
*I am a heavily involved consultant for major carriers and contractors on the West coast.. Tmo here is going nuts adding new UMTS/HSDPA carriers and expanding sites.. there is no talks of LTE installs for 2013.. no project development yet for Tmo LTE in 2013.. Not a peep. Dont get your hopes up.. it still may develop later in the year though. Q1 is always miserably slow.

According to a Tmobile service rep lte is going to be rolled out with the iphone launch on TMobile.

CL3P20 said:
No Im not kidding. I would have to say you are badly misinformed. VZW does not make or supply equipment. VZW uses the same Ericsson RBS cabinets [6601 LTE] as ATT and Metro PCS [metro was recently acquired by Tmo.. but Tmo cannot integrate LTE into their current CO technology without retrofitting].
*I am a heavily involved consultant for major carriers and contractors on the West coast.. Tmo here is going nuts adding new UMTS/HSDPA carriers and expanding sites.. there is no talks of LTE installs for 2013.. no project development yet for Tmo LTE in 2013.. Not a peep. Dont get your hopes up.. it still may develop later in the year though. Q1 is always miserably slow.
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Than you better get further into the loop, cause T-Mobile is already testing LTE, and is launching it this year.
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masondoctorjt said:
Than you better get further into the loop, cause T-Mobile is already testing LTE, and is launching it this year.
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Assuming they can get an equipment contract from Ericsson.. who is already back-ordering ATT's and VZW's 6601 supply? I'm not saying they arent looking towards it.. but West coast Tmo would be very interested to hear if other markets are already field testing 700mhz [which to my knowledge they have not anywhere in the US at this time]. Lab testing maybe.. but field deployed LTE doesnt just get "tested" .. you have to launch an entire market - and that would be where...?

CL3P20 said:
Tmo isnt rolling out LTE.. They dont even have a FCC license for it yet.. not do they have an equipment vendor.
**The closest thing in the states we will see.. is integrated LTE use from the recently acquired Metro PCS sites.. there are not even rumors of Tmo integrating LTE into their switching system yet.. they dont have CO equipment to handle it either.. so.....
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So no lte ?? Have you read the tmobile news lately ???
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xcaliburpcs said:
So no lte ?? Have you read the tmobile news lately ???
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The city where I work already has had the LTE antennas installed last month, I saw it with my own eyes and I happen to work literally within 100 feet of the antenna site. The frequencies haven't been fired up for LTE, however the HSPA+ speed has increased dramatically with the new antennas, can't wait for T-mo to update my Note 2 with the LTE bands and the antennas to be activated to provide LTE. Now, if T-mo would give me anything more than EDGE speeds where I live I'd be even happier...

CL3P20 said:
Assuming they can get an equipment contract from Ericsson.. who is already back-ordering ATT's and VZW's 6601 supply? I'm not saying they arent looking towards it.. but West coast Tmo would be very interested to hear if other markets are already field testing 700mhz [which to my knowledge they have not anywhere in the US at this time]. Lab testing maybe.. but field deployed LTE doesnt just get "tested" .. you have to launch an entire market - and that would be where...?
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Ummmm... guy? Where have you been? T-Mobile has spent the last year refarming their network, moving their HSPA+ service to the 1900 MHz band so that they can roll out LTE on the AWS 1700 MHz band. The first market to go live will be Las Vegas which should happen within the next few weeks according to the CTO. This is all public knowledge and has been for some time. I don't think you're as in the loop as you think you are.

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Ummmm... guy? Where have you been? T-Mobile has spent the last year refarming their network, moving their HSPA+ service to the 1900 MHz band so that they can roll out LTE on the AWS 1700 MHz band. The first market to go live will be Las Vegas which should happen within the next few weeks according to the CTO. This is all public knowledge and has been for some time. I don't think you're as in the loop as you think you are.
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*derp.. we are crossing wires here. Im not discounting the work ongoing now.. just saying it doesnt add up to Tmo LTE in 2013
LTE for the rest of the nation will be months if not a year down the road still... I thought someone was eluding to full LTE launch. Test markets always launch first.. they represent only a tiny niche of the market. Because a carrier has functional signal in 2% of the national zone doesnt qualify them as an LTE vendor. They dont have the ingredients at this time to pull off nation-wide LTE in 2013.. period.

CL3P20 said:
*derp.. we are crossing wires here. Im not discounting the work ongoing now.. just saying it doesnt add up to Tmo LTE in 2013
LTE for the rest of the nation will be months if not a year down the road still... I thought someone was eluding to full LTE launch. Test markets always launch first.. they represent only a tiny niche of the market. Because a carrier has functional signal in 2% of the national zone doesnt qualify them as an LTE vendor. They dont have the ingredients at this time to pull off nation-wide LTE in 2013.. period.
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According to T-Mobile, from their talks at CES, they are going to be doing an enormous amount of LTE this year.
"They talked LTE a little bit, noting that they planned to have 100 Million folks covered by the middle of this year, 200 Million by the end of the year, and the rollout would start in Vegas in just a few weeks." androidcentral.com/t-mobile-talks-lte-mlb-voice-hd-and-more
Sorry, my account is new, so I can't post links.

No LTE on the eastern seabord, yet?

CL3P20 said:
*derp.. we are crossing wires here. Im not discounting the work ongoing now.. just saying it doesnt add up to Tmo LTE in 2013
LTE for the rest of the nation will be months if not a year down the road still... I thought someone was eluding to full LTE launch. Test markets always launch first.. they represent only a tiny niche of the market. Because a carrier has functional signal in 2% of the national zone doesnt qualify them as an LTE vendor. They dont have the ingredients at this time to pull off nation-wide LTE in 2013.. period.
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I see where you're coming from, and you seem like a knowledgable guy, but all T-Mo modernized sites that are using Ericsson's AIR (Antenna Integrated Radio) are LTE ready, so basically while they're modernizing and refarming their 1900Mhz sectrum for HSPA+, they're effectively deploying LTE Release 10 Equipment.
RBS 6601 cabinets are already in place here in NYC (which is already officially modernized) and we're basically 1900Mhz across the board. Fiber backhaul has never been an issue with T-Mobile.
Vegas and Kansas are about to be launched this month according to T-Mobile's CTO Neville Ray. Engineers have been testing LTE in modernized markets for months now, and it's just a matter of time when they make LTE commercially available.
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Haha cl3p20 is either totally in the dark or just making stuff up. I feel the flame wars.

No need to flame, we're helping each other.

Hsdpa+ currently works on att network as well
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T-mobile 600Mhz, Band 71 speed-tests and coverage availability

If you are among the lucky few who happen to live where there actually is Band 71, please post your speedtests, and coverage availability compared to your old phone.
Not sure when but at some point the apps below will be updated to show Band 71. Don't forget to post screenshots actually showing Band 71 on these apps and let us know what region of the states you are from
LTE Discovery
SignalCheck Pro
I live in Central Pa, Altoona to be exact and WAS really excited about the promised roll out to this area by end of 2017. But after much digging I see that only a very very small part of PA is free to get Band 71 at this point. See my twitter post: https://twitter.com/CrowsnestIT/status/917132876096921600
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Here are links to where you can see how your area looks for current Band 71 usage by the TV stations and where you fall in the projected TMO Band 71 roll out. As for us in PA, we are looking at Phase 6 and 7 meaning end of 2019 That means it will probably be in the form of 5G and the V30 will be long gone
https://goo.gl/r7cRS7
https://goo.gl/AQCTLP

I don't live in Band 71 coverage area, but I travel to Cheyenne on a semi-regular basis. I'll put up a report next time I'm up there (perhaps the middle of the week).

What is the timeline for Phase 1 locations? I see Atlanta in Phase 1, and I have friends here who use T-Mobile.

For people with V30 in T-Mobile B71 area, i have a open request for you. I am a freelancer working with Cellmapper.net project and would like to have your input.
The android app Cellmapper https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cellmapper.net.cellmapper can show and record LTE band data.
These recordings will be displayed on coverage map, once uploaded to central server. https://www.cellmapper.net/map
We need a debug report sent to us from Cellmapper app(settings page), while your LG V30 is connected to Band71 (app might show Band 7 as an error). This is needed to fix possible faulty earfcn reported by Android RIL.
Thank you in advance and please let us know if you have any more questions.

Well, looks like Voyagers in MN and Upper MI get phase one... a couple places I plan to vacation soon, which is nice. Favorite part of MN (north shore) wont get it until the final phase
I assume this isnt a marketing choice but more about speed of transitioning whatever tv stations and other things in play. If it was marketing, they would have that North Shore of Superior covered right away!!!! It's rural but heavily traveled during summer.

ChazzMatt said:
What is the timeline for Phase 1 locations? I see Atlanta in Phase 1, and I have friends here who use T-Mobile.
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This is what I have found for phase 1:
T-Mobile’s 600MHz LTE is already live in Cheyenne, Wyo., and Scarborough, Maine, and T-Mo has previously said other parts of the country where it plans to deploy 600MHz LTE in 2017. Those areas are:
Wyoming
Northeast and Southwest Oregon
West Texas
Southwest Kansas
The Oklahoma panhandle
Western North Dakota
Additional areas of Maine
Coastal North Carolina
Central Pennsylvania
Central Virginia
Eastern Washington

minnemike said:
Well, looks like Voyagers in MN and Upper MI get phase one... a couple places I plan to vacation soon, which is nice. Favorite part of MN (north shore) wont get it until the final phase
I assume this isnt a marketing choice but more about speed of transitioning whatever tv stations and other things in play. If it was marketing, they would have that North Shore of Superior covered right away!!!! It's rural but heavily traveled during summer.
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I have family in the UP of Michigan and spend a good bit of time on Lake Superior in Grand Marais MI and I can testify that TMO has no coverage up there. It roams to AT&T but even AT&T only has HSPA+ in a lot of places up there. I did see over the last year that TMO got a few of there own towers in like Newberry MI and St Ignace, MI.
But yes you are correct, if it was up to TMO they would have it up as fast as they can find tower climbers to put it up, but thanks to TV it will be phased.

VeixES said:
For people with V30 in T-Mobile B71 area, i have a open request for you. I am a freelancer working with Cellmapper.net project and would like to have your input.
The android app Cellmapper https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cellmapper.net.cellmapper can show and record LTE band data.
These recordings will be displayed on coverage map, once uploaded to central server. https://www.cellmapper.net/map
We need a debug report sent to us from Cellmapper app(settings page), while your LG V30 is connected to Band71 (app might show Band 7 as an error). This is needed to fix possible faulty earfcn reported by Android RIL.
Thank you in advance and please let us know if you have any more questions.
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I get my V30 today and will be sure to report if and when I get into a Band 71 area

Faster Speeds
I know this thread is about band 71, but i'm in Miami and my speeds here have been greatly increased. I don't know if it's the radios or carrier aggregation but , these speeds are sick

Sure, LG V30 is a Gigabit LTE class device as s8/note8 are. Ultimate speed and coverage device for T-mobile US users.

jvs60 said:
I know this thread is about band 71, but i'm in Miami and my speeds here have been greatly increased. I don't know if it's the radios or carrier aggregation but , these speeds are sick
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Nice speeds man! Is that with the V30? Just got mine this afternoon and as I suspected no Band 71 yet here in Central PA. I did see the normal 2,4 & 12 bands. I did several speedtests and saw around 90 meg as the fastest. Overall I'm very impressed with the device compared to the LG G6.

crowsnestitsupport said:
If you are among the lucky few who happen to live where there actually is Band 71, please post your speedtests, and coverage availability compared to your old phone.
Not sure when but at some point the apps below will be updated to show Band 71. Don't forget to post screenshots actually showing Band 71 on these apps and let us know what region of the states you are from
LTE Discovery
SignalCheck Pro
I live in Central Pa, Altoona to be exact and WAS really excited about the promised roll out to this area by end of 2017. But after much digging I see that only a very very small part of PA is free to get Band 71 at this point. See my twitter post: https://twitter.com/CrowsnestIT/status/917132876096921600 View attachment 4296791
Here are links to where you can see how your area looks for current Band 71 usage by the TV stations and where you fall in the projected TMO Band 71 roll out. As for us in PA, we are looking at Phase 6 and 7 meaning end of 2019 That means it will probably be in the form of 5G and the V30 will be long gone
https://goo.gl/r7cRS7
https://goo.gl/AQCTLP
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Good to see news articles like this one: https://goo.gl/Y822S8 TMO is serious about getting this rolled out!

crowsnestitsupport said:
Nice speeds man! Is that with the V30? Just got mine this afternoon and as I suspected no Band 71 yet here in Central PA. I did see the normal 2,4 & 12 bands. I did several speedtests and saw around 90 meg as the fastest. Overall I'm very impressed with the device compared to the LG G6.
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Yes, it's the V30. I've never gotten over 100mb in South FL, I've gotten close in Atlanta

jvs60 said:
Yes, it's the V30. I've never gotten over 100mb in South FL, I've gotten close in Atlanta
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Good deal! This is at my house in Altoona on Band 2.. Not to impressive but on par with the other 3 carriers.

crowsnestitsupport said:
Good to see news articles like this one: https://goo.gl/Y822S8 TMO is serious about getting this rolled out!
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More good TMO news! Rejoice Montana and Wyoming.. https://www.tmonews.com/2017/10/t-mobile-blackfoot-200-cell-sites-montana-wyoming/

Thanks for the roll out info. I could not get T-mobile to share this. Between home, work, and paintball I am in phase 6 & 8. If I keep my V30 for over 2 years I would take advantage of that 71 band.

Better to have it (band 71) and not need it. Instead of need it and not have it. A no brainer if you are on T-mobile.

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Better to have it (band 71) and not need it. Instead of need it and not have it. A no brainer if you are on T-mobile.
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Agreed I just left AT&T this weekend for T-Mobile. Ported over our S6's for right now. Trying to get down what phone I want to get. Was going to get the Bogo S8 deal but since they do not have Band 71 I am not doing that now. Hope to get to a store this weekend that has the V30 in stock so I can get my hands on it. Debating waiting for the unbranded version that comes out at the end of the month if I like it.

veener79 said:
Agreed I just left AT&T this weekend for T-Mobile. Ported over our S6's for right now. Trying to get down what phone I want to get. Was going to get the Bogo S8 deal but since they do not have Band 71 I am not doing that now. Hope to get to a store this weekend that has the V30 in stock so I can get my hands on it. Debating waiting for the unbranded version that comes out at the end of the month if I like it.
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Also agreed I have both the s8 and s8+ and just got the V30. If nothing changes to convince me otherwise, the V30 is hands down better than the S8's.. So far I have needed to factory reset the s8"s about every 15 to 20 days because they just get so laggy and buggy and have so much bloat. I have dropped by s8+ twice, both times in a case and the glass is broken front and back. Not saying the V30 will be better in that department though since it is also glass). But so far the camera is on par and the skin is much lighter and faster. We'll see how battery life and usability is over the next month.

crowsnestitsupport said:
Also agreed I have both the s8 and s8+ and just got the V30. If nothing changes to convince me otherwise, the V30 is hands down better than the S8's.. So far I have needed to factory reset the s8"s about every 15 to 20 days because they just get so laggy and buggy and have so much bloat. I have dropped by s8+ twice, both times in a case and the glass is broken front and back. Not saying the V30 will be better in that department though since it is also glass). But so far the camera is on par and the skin is much lighter and faster. We'll see how battery life and usability is over the next month.
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It's good to hear other people have "butter fingers" besides me. . . . I thought of getting a tether line hooking to my phone and then to a belt loop. My keys are on a chain belt loop. I never lock myself out of the car anymore . . .