Hey guys,
I issued a complaint about my 6 Pro (purchased from the Google Store in November) some weeks ago due to it having connection loss, GPS never pointing me in the direct direction (and some other things), got an replacement device, that randomly rebooted like 5 times in the first 2 days, so I sent back the replacement and hoped for the updates to resolve my issues with the original one. Well they didnt and I just got out of a chat with a service agent, who said, they can only offer repair options now.
As a Google buyer since the nexus days, having the ability to get a good service has always been a strong case for my choice for Google. This is very disappointing. Since when did things change, and why? Or are there people who got more than one replacement?
The dude i had in the chat today said he checked with the specific deparment and they will only offer repair for my device.
Thanks guys!
In the future return the device in the available return window if defective.
Make it their problem not yours (I have 2 open box specials to my name so far with Samsung).
You can try contacting your bank if you used a MC to see if you can return the device and get the bank to do a charge back.
You need to be effectively assertive or people will walk all over you.
I be all over Google like a cheap suit...
xflowy said:
Hey guys,
I issued a complaint about my 6 Pro (purchased from the Google Store in November) some weeks ago due to it having connection loss, GPS never pointing me in the direct direction (and some other things), got an replacement device, that randomly rebooted like 5 times in the first 2 days, so I sent back the replacement and hoped for the updates to resolve my issues with the original one. Well they didnt and I just got out of a chat with a service agent, who said, they can only offer repair options.
As a Google buyer since the nexus days, having the ability to get a good service has always been a strong case for my choice for Google. This is very disappointing. Since when did things change, and why? Or are there people who got more than one replacement?
The dude said he checked with the specific deparment and they will only offer repair for my device.
Thanks guys!
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Connectivity problems seem to be mainly software related, many people were able to fix their problems by flashing the november radio file. What other problems do you have?
Have you set up your device "fresh" or with a backup? Google cloud or cable?
Some people had problems with backups, if Google doesn't offer you another replacement, I'd suggest to set up your device without any previous backup stuff, to see if that solves your issue.
That's a weird turn of events with that agent
What you are describing is a complete change from how Google handled warranty claims in the past. I would call back and see if the answer changes, this feels like a support agent that was confused.
That said, Google is currently in a very bad spot with support, it is a disaster.
TonikJDK said:
What you are describing is a complete change from how Google handled warranty claims in the past. I would call back and see if the answer changes, this feels like a support agent that was confused.
That said, Google is currently in a very bad spot with support, it is a disaster.
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This is a good idea to call back. Can't tell you how many times I've received different answers depending on who I talk to from various company's support services.
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This is a good idea to call back. Can't tell you how many times I've received different answers depending on who I talk to from various company's support services.
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TonikJDK said:
What you are describing is a complete change from how Google handled warranty claims in the past. I would call back and see if the answer changes, this feels like a support agent that was confused.
That said, Google is currently in a very bad spot with support, it is a disaster.
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I know right. I buying from Google since the nexus days. And getting a replacement has never been an issue. But there seems to be a change in poilicies.
Thats why I'm asking, if someone got a second replacement device, cause I think that is were the cutoff is now.
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Thats why I'm asking, if someone got a second replacement device, cause I think that is were the cutoff is now.
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If it is, this is the last Pixel I will buy.
Are you on Twitter? Send a message to MadeByGoogle. They might provide clarity.
TonikJDK said:
Are you on Twitter? Send a message to MadeByGoogle. They might provide clarity.
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Sadly i am not on twitter :/ perhaps someone can take over here?
blackhawk said:
In the future return the device in the available return window if defective.
Make it their problem not yours (I have 2 open box specials to my name so far with Samsung).
You can try contacting your bank if you used a MC to see if you can return the device and get the bank to do a charge back.
You need to be effectively assertive or people will walk all over you.
I be all over Google like a cheap suit...
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If you do a chargeback they'll freeze your Google account. Lots of reports of this happening on Reddit and they never reverse course and let you keep the account.
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If you do a chargeback they'll freeze your Google account. Lots of reports of this happening on Reddit and they never reverse course and let you keep the account.
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All the more reason to never do business with this company it true. I'd return it anyway. Then start filing complaints if they froze the account.
The FTC will take action if they get enough complaints of inappropriate behavior like this.
As it is I would never give Google a dime outright anyway.
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All the more reason to never do business with this company it true. I'd return it anyway. Then start filing complaints if they froze the account.
The FTC will take action if they get enough complaints of inappropriate behavior like this.
As it is I would never give Google a dime outright anyway.
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Yeah after hearing about the chargeback situation I decided I'll order from Amazon when it's time. Too many reports of FedEx stealing the phones and Google support not being helpful with requesting refunds.
I agree with OP that it's a shame if Google has now decided they'll only replace a device once. A defective device is a defective device, not anyone but Google's fault that their QA sucks.
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Yeah after hearing about the chargeback situation I decided I'll order from Amazon when it's time. Too many reports of FedEx stealing the phones and Google support not being helpful with requesting refunds.
I agree with OP that it's a shame if Google has now decided they'll only replace a device once. A defective device is a defective device, not anyone but Google's fault that their QA sucks.
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As Lughnasadh pointed out calling Google back is a good idea. I've literally called some companies over 2 dozen times over the course of a week or two, escalating the case, ask to talk to supervisors, managers, even a VP at Sony.
Trying to get them to do the right thing.
Hammer them until they blink first... it's like playing the slots.
I'm successful almost always but it can take some doing. Once I get started I go to town...*
It's all good though because it's another free course in assertive training. Unfortunately for them I'm already well trained and worse I enjoy it
*attitude adjustment theme music courtesy the Kinks
I think maybe too many scams going on....
Morgrain said:
Connectivity problems seem to be mainly software related, many people were able to fix their problems by flashing the november radio file. What other problems do you have?
Have you set up your device "fresh" or with a backup? Google cloud or cable?
Some people had problems with backups, if Google doesn't offer you another replacement, I'd suggest to set up your device without any previous backup stuff, to see if that solves your issue.
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actually, from what I heard it was mainly adaptive connect that caused the problem. (Least it was for me and I was on December update, but November did it to). Now I am on January update.
edmondt said:
I think maybe too many scams going on....
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I agree. People bl unlock flash the wrong image, can't recover, and say my phone won't respond. Not that it happened here but you can search the threads and see what I mean.
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I agree. People bl unlock flash the wrong image, can't recover, and say my phone won't respond. Not that it happened here but you can search the threads and see what I mean.
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No doubt that may be true, but not all devices are equal (even the same model).
It's a dirty little secret but a common practice for phone manufacturers to substitute smaller chipsets and components during a production run due to parts availability. If it's a chipset it may not be compatible with the original firmware instruction set.
Eventually the manufacturer will modify the firmware to incorporate these off spec components, hopefully. Once they realize there's a problem. Almost always they need to physically examine the device to know if/what was substituted. So yeah they like you to send it in for repair. Fking beta hardware
Samsung is known to do this.
So when others are having issues you never experienced or easily fixed and they can't, don't be so sure it's the user's fault. Especially if there are wide spread reports.
so no one here who got a second replacement device?
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so no one here who got a second replacement device?
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I'm very sure I remember reading some other members in this section reporting having received second replacement devices. No idea who they were or in which threads you might find their posts, though.
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Alright, not sure if this has been gone over or not. What would happen if a person complained enough to Sprint or HTC about how much they dislike the GB update, would they have a way to revert you back to Froyo. Tell them you are not at all happy with the new system and you want to undo the update. Would they just tell you to go pound sand? I am almost thinking it would have to be a direct complaint to HTC, not?
Send a email to H T C
I did shortly after making the post. Just trying to find out if anyone else had tried to appeal to them on it. I will post any response from them I receive.
Better yet, send them an email asking for them to put hot naked ladies for our backgrounds on our evos and also to root them for us. :-D
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Better yet, send them an email asking for them to put hot naked ladies for our backgrounds on our evos and also to root them for us. :-D
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Thought about that, but I figured that might be a little too obvious
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Alright, not sure if this has been gone over or not. What would happen if a person complained enough to Sprint or HTC about how much they dislike the GB update, would they have a way to revert you back to Froyo. Tell them you are not at all happy with the new system and you want to undo the update. Would they just tell you to go pound sand? I am almost thinking it would have to be a direct complaint to HTC, not?
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According to multiple sprint reps/techs that I have talked to, they do not have the tools to downgrade back to Froyo. Doubt calling HTC would help, they will probably just say since it is software, Sprint is responsible.
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According to multiple sprint reps/techs that I have talked to, they do not have the tools to downgrade back to Froyo. Doubt calling HTC would help, they will probably just say since it is software, Sprint is responsible.
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I guess I must have missed this somewhere, Sprint develops the software, not HTC? Now I'm officially confused!
been there, done that..
just go check out their tweeter feeds, lots of people DID complain
i personally spoke to a customer service guy , he fed me the "trying to downgrade would make your phone innoperable" line, and basically he said sprint doesnt have the capability to do it , and htc will simply claim not to be able to do it, you are welcome to do it though, enough complaining and maybe one of the higher ups decides its worht a listen , but to be honest, root will be here long before that happens, somone already found an exploit, its a matter of making stable and usable to the public
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I guess I must have missed this somewhere, Sprint develops the software, not HTC? Now I'm officially confused!
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partly true in the sense that sprint has final say on what software to push through to their users, htc develops the sense and phones firmware, but its sprints call on what final os will the devices use, wich is why the bloatware is most of the time uninstallable as its "part of the os" wich sprint pushed, htc makes it but sprint has the final say on approving it and adding whatever the hell they want to it (aka blocking hotspot and such) wich is understandable since they are the ones that have to deal with the customer
Sprint is full of criminals. :-D HTC attempts to do the right thing. :-D Sprint just keeps blocking them. HTC and myself know EXACTLY how to do it. lol. However, we are required by contract law not to spread it do to issues related to lack of a normal customers knowledge. :-D Any of you actually program chips and design circuit boards? What we do, is we find ways around the software... They really go into the chip itself.
No, but the final build that comes to our phone had sprints dirty hands all over it.
Swyped from my Supersonic
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No, but the final build that comes to our phone had sprints dirty hands all over it.
Swyped from my Supersonic
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I wouldn't put it past sprint employees to illegally put stuff on our phones that would monitor our use. They're that evil. muhahahhahaha
I called my local sprint store right after the ota and asked about downgrading back to froyo. The rep said that i would have to contact the local corporate store and that they could do it. So when i called they said "just bring the phone in here and we will get you back to 2.2" Now whether or not this is true, i dont know. I never took the ota so i'm still rooted. But for those of you that did take the ota or have a new evo you might give this a shot. Knoxville, TN
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I called my local sprint store right after the ota and asked about downgrading back to froyo. The rep said that i would have to contact the local corporate store and that they could do it. So when i called they said "just bring the phone in here and we will get you back to 2.2" Now whether or not this is true, i dont know. I never took the ota so i'm still rooted. But for those of you that did take the ota or have a new evo you might give this a shot. Knoxville, TN
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99.99% chance the store is full of it. If that .01% chance proves true, Knoxville will be seeing a lot more tourism than they usually do.
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99.99% chance the store is full of it. If that .01% chance proves true, Knoxville will be seeing a lot more tourism than they usually do.
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You are right about them being full of it. When I called again this morning they said absolutely not. She said that all of their software stuff has been updated to 2.3 but that if i had came immediately after the ota then she could have fixed it.
Here was HTC's reply:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical support about the issues you are having with your device since getting the latest upgrade for it. I do apologize that you are having this issue with your device and I will gladly help you with this. There is no way to revert to the software version that was on the device before the update. I first suggest you do a soft reset by pulling the battery out for about 1 minute then placing the battery back in and booting up your device. If a soft reset does not resolve the issue then you may want to do a factory reset on your device to try to resolve the issue. Factory resetting your device will clear off your device and reset it back to factory settings. If factory resetting the device does not resolve the issue the next step would be to contact your carrier for possible repair or replacement of your device.
Man, that reply is nothing but a big middle finger from HTC.
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Here was HTC's reply:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical support about the issues you are having with your device since getting the latest upgrade for it. I do apologize that you are having this issue with your device and I will gladly help you with this. There is no way to revert to the software version that was on the device before the update. I first suggest you do a soft reset by pulling the battery out for about 1 minute then placing the battery back in and booting up your device. If a soft reset does not resolve the issue then you may want to do a factory reset on your device to try to resolve the issue. Factory resetting your device will clear off your device and reset it back to factory settings. If factory resetting the device does not resolve the issue the next step would be to contact your carrier for possible repair or replacement of your device.
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LMAO
this is the exact response i got, only the guy said "downgrading would make your device innoperable" ....yeah...but the rest of it went exaclty like this ...jokes on them , because if you notice the increasing amoutn of new people on this forum, thats people that will never take an update from htc or their carriers ever again over this fiasco, i never even thought about rooting until i went to try and find a way to go back to froyo from this pos , ended up learing a lot about android and rooting ont his past month ive been waiting for this thing to be cracked , i hope they blew it wide open and they soon add support for our beloved og evo but for now we play the waiting game
I have had both Camera and GPS issues since the day I bought my E4GT. My Camera will randomly give me "Recording Failed" when I try to take photos. Changing Camera settings was also a good way of reproducing "Recording Failed" And my GPS simply just doesn't lock, and if it does it is unbelievably inaccurate.
So, I took my phone in several months back, of course all they did was flash it to stock, I came back in an hour and they claimed it was fixed. Within 24 hours I was still having the same Camera issue, and GPS wasn't improved.
I have dealt with this issue up until today and simply ignored it, used my girlfriends GPS etc. Keep in mind that both these issues exist on stock EK02, EL30, and any custom ROM I install, and GPS status or other GPS related apps don't help either.
So, after flashing to EK02, using a USB Jig to reset my download count and then doing the OTA to EL30, the problem persisted. I brought it to the Sprint store, came back an hour and a half later, and they claimed it was fixed. I instantly starting taking photos in the store, after 2 photographs my phone actually just restarted itself. Once it restarted, I tried taking several more photographs and received my usual "Recording Failed" message. At this point the tech takes the phone back, fiddles around on his computer and tells me they will just have to order a new one.
Great news! Glad I'm getting a brand new E4GT. The real kicker... I got back in my car, drove to work and then I noticed something funny, I have the superuser app installed. I installed Titanium backup to confirm I had root, and I did. The Sprint tech seems to have rooted my phone, most likely in attempt to try a few 3rd party fixes.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Doesn't rooting technically void my warranty... Or is it only flashing non-official ROMs? I know I'm still ok on my warranty because they already confirmed they are shipping a phone to the store for me to pick up. I was just shocked to have Sprint root my phone.
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I have had both Camera and GPS issues since the day I bought my E4GT. My Camera will randomly give me "Recording Failed" when I try to take photos. Changing Camera settings was also a good way of reproducing "Recording Failed" And my GPS simply just doesn't lock, and if it does it is unbelievably inaccurate.
So, I took my phone in several months back, of course all they did was flash it to stock, I came back in an hour and they claimed it was fixed. Within 24 hours I was still having the same Camera issue, and GPS wasn't improved.
I have dealt with this issue up until today and simply ignored it, used my girlfriends GPS etc. Keep in mind that both these issues exist on stock EK02, EL30, and any custom ROM I install, and GPS status or other GPS related apps don't help either.
So, after flashing to EK02, using a USB Jig to reset my download count and then doing the OTA to EL30, the problem persisted. I brought it to the Sprint store, came back an hour and a half later, and they claimed it was fixed. I instantly starting taking photos in the store, after 2 photographs my phone actually just restarted itself. Once it restarted, I tried taking several more photographs and received my usual "Recording Failed" message. At this point the tech takes the phone back, fiddles around on his computer and tells me they will just have to order a new one.
Great news! Glad I'm getting a brand new E4GT. The real kicker... I got back in my car, drove to work and then I noticed something funny, I have the superuser app installed. I installed Titanium backup to confirm I had root, and I did. The Sprint tech seems to have rooted my phone, most likely in attempt to try a few 3rd party fixes.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Doesn't rooting technically void my warranty... Or is it only flashing non-official ROMs? I know I'm still ok on my warranty because they already confirmed they are shipping a phone to the store for me to pick up. I was just shocked to have Sprint root my phone.
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lol the only thing that happened to me like that was:
i brought my evo 3d in so they could check out the power button... (it was pushed down and wouldnt turn on) the phone had cm7 on it... and the tech showed me his OG evo with cm7 on it with the same theme on it (cm7 red remix)
i couldnt restore it back to a stock RUU because of the power button...but he got a replacement for me even when he got it turned on and seen cm7 on it
I've noticed that most techs don't care if your phone is rooted or not. In fact, I used to go down to the Sprint store to look at new accessories, and I would show off that mine was rooted and running CM. I had a couple of the people working there have me root their phone for them.
It would surprise me at all if the tech rooted your phone. Probably jumped on XDA to see if anyone else had solved the problem yet too.
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Probably jumped on XDA to see if anyone else had solved the problem yet too.
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LOL i bet he did... anyone that has any problems with their phones i direct them here... im waiting for the day that the techs in the sprint store ask me "have you checked xda to see if they have any resolution to this problem"
because ive had customer service reps/android tech department (on the phone) tell me to check xda or android community..
Out of curiosity, when recording video were you recording to internal memory or a microSD card? And if a microSD card, what Class? I got that error all the time with my Class 2 16GB, but when I upgraded to my 32GB Class 4 I have no trouble. Apparently the write speed wasn't high enough for the video stream.
Weird. I've got problems where my GPS sometimes won't lock.... but I reboot and it seems to work for another day or whatever.
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Out of curiosity, when recording video were you recording to internal memory or a microSD card? And if a microSD card, what Class? I got that error all the time with my Class 2 16GB, but when I upgraded to my 32GB Class 4 I have no trouble. Apparently the write speed wasn't high enough for the video stream.
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I actually never recorded video really. This was an issue with simple picture taking at any resolution. I could save to internal or external storage and receive this error. I currently have a class 8 16gb that I use that hasn't given me issues that I know of.
As for the GPS, it was a longstanding and ongoing issue with my phone. No amount of reboots, reflashes or GPS fixes would remedy it. I've tried at least a half dozen roms, plus every OTA and sprint leak. I'm just glad to be getting a new phone.
Also, I've never dropped this phone once. It is literally in pristine condition, you could probably put it in a box and nobody would know that it was used.
yea crazy.. obviously the sprint rep thought he knew what he was doing but in the end, you probably know more than he does .. then again, anybody can read lol. i would have pointed it out in the store and been like hey buddy, whats this? lol then watched him try to explain himself..
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yea crazy.. obviously the sprint rep thought he knew what he was doing but in the end, you probably know more than he does .. then again, anybody can read lol. i would have pointed it out in the store and been like hey buddy, whats this? lol then watched him try to explain himself..
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Lol that would have been a fun one to watch him try to talk his way out of. At least you had a competent sprint guy, my stores in reno seem to never have people who know anything, not even the selling points of a phone in their store!
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Haha I would have loved to ask in store, but unfortunately I didn't notice this for about a half hour when I was at work.
I'll definitely be asking them about it when I go to pick up my replacement phone. I still have my "Sprint Rooted and certified" phone in my hands haha.
Lol.
Once again, contrary to popular belief, rooting does not void your protection plan with us, nor does it prevent us from doing a paid repair (no TEP). Only the iPhone holds the distinction of having it's protection plan voided by software modification, as per Apple.
Now, are we allowed by corporate rules to root your phone as a method of repair? No, of course not. But we're also supposed to only use software that's provided to us, and a lot of times that just isn't enough.
Of course, there are special cases; if somebody carelessly lost their wimax keys when trying to get s-off, i wouldn't replace the phone for two reasons: it's nonessential to telephony functions (meaning youre not stuck if you need to call 911), and it's technically DBR (damaged beyond economical repair), because our warehouse wont be able to get them back, and the board would end up being scrapped.
To that end, hard bricked phones could be rejected due to DBR, but i have no way of telling if it happened due to flashing the phone, now do I?
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Lol.
Once again, contrary to popular belief, rooting does not void your protection plan with us, nor does it prevent us from doing a paid repair (no TEP). Only the iPhone holds the distinction of having it's protection plan voided by software modification, as per Apple.
Now, are we allowed by corporate rules to root your phone as a method of repair? No, of course not. But we're also supposed to only use software that's provided to us, and a lot of times that just isn't enough.
Of course, there are special cases; if somebody carelessly lost their wimax keys when trying to get s-off, i wouldn't replace the phone for two reasons: it's nonessential to telephony functions (meaning youre not stuck if you need to call 911), and it's technically DBR (damaged beyond economical repair), because our warehouse wont be able to get them back, and the board would end up being scrapped.
To that end, hard bricked phones could be rejected due to DBR, but i have no way of telling if it happened due to flashing the phone, now do I?
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Well thank you very much for this info. Its nice to know the ins and outs of my warranty service. May even take a look into the the terms of service and such for it. It'll nice to have a shiny new phone though for sure.
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because ive had customer service reps/android tech department (on the phone) tell me to check xda or android community..
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I have the Viewsonic G-tablet and if you contact viewsonic customer support, they always point you to XDA fourms. lol. I wish i could get paid just telling people to check XDA
Just wanted to second this. At this time only jailbroken iPhones have their warranty/protection voided.
You should have no problem getting help even if your phone is rooted, though we should not be the ones doing it for you lol
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Lol.
Once again, contrary to popular belief, rooting does not void your protection plan with us, nor does it prevent us from doing a paid repair (no TEP). Only the iPhone holds the distinction of having it's protection plan voided by software modification, as per Apple.
Now, are we allowed by corporate rules to root your phone as a method of repair? No, of course not. But we're also supposed to only use software that's provided to us, and a lot of times that just isn't enough.
Of course, there are special cases; if somebody carelessly lost their wimax keys when trying to get s-off, i wouldn't replace the phone for two reasons: it's nonessential to telephony functions (meaning youre not stuck if you need to call 911), and it's technically DBR (damaged beyond economical repair), because our warehouse wont be able to get them back, and the board would end up being scrapped.
To that end, hard bricked phones could be rejected due to DBR, but i have no way of telling if it happened due to flashing the phone, now do I?
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Full Disclosure: I am a Sprint employee. Any opinions are my own and in no way endorsed by Sprint.
Sent from my SGSII on the Sprint network.
When i went to go get my e4gt one of the salesmen was talking about his jailbroken iphone to someone he was selling an iphone to. I wasnt really paying attention since they were talking about iphones and i was downloading the xda app while they finished my paperwork.
You sure your method of returning to stock didn't preserve your root? It's possible.
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LOL i bet he did... anyone that has any problems with their phones i direct them here... im waiting for the day that the techs in the sprint store ask me "have you checked xda to see if they have any resolution to this problem"
because ive had customer service reps/android tech department (on the phone) tell me to check xda or android community..
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im a sales rep in a preferred retailer. but because of the time ive spent here, im also the unofficial lead technician in our store, and the last resort for our actual techs when they cant fix it themselves... and they went into training for their job..
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99% correct. if an android has a rom flashed, its warranty is void. but we can still repair/replace them with TEP, and paid repairs are fine too. its the unlocking of the bootloader that is looked at, not the actual rooting
see: htc evo3d (htcdev dot com), unlocking nexus s, flash/binary counter in E4GT
As much as I like to side with Sprint employees in regards to TEP & rooting, it tends to be more of a personal Sprint employee decision as opposed to actual TEP policy.
After reading over the TOS in regards to TEP, there are some things written in there that could potentially be used against you should rooting be considered the cause of your problem:
"Sprint is not liable for the websites you visit or anything you download or cause to be downloaded to your device. Damage related to websites visited or downloads to your device may not be covered by Sprint's Service and Repair policy or your device insurance policy."
Personally, it's a chance one takes & it depends on who you deal with on any given day should you run into any trouble. There just seems to be alot if what if's in how it's written, how it's defined & how a Sprint rep would handle the situation.
You are right in that it may change but their are policies and procedures in place that dictate how we do our job. We have clear direction to help Android customers who have rooted devices. The other poster who corrected me is right in the fact that your manufacturer warranty is likely voided from rooting but Sprint will still make an attempt to help you with paid repair or TEP.
We also have clear direction that a jailbroken iPhone loses it's protection.
That is in the ToS so you cannot hold Sprint liable if you break your phone, if you download a virus/malware, install custom apps/software etc.
Yes you can break your phone beyond a point that can be fixed but that doesn't mean that we won't try to help you. Sprint doesn't get anything out of a customer who cancels because their rooted phone breaks and can't be fixed.
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As much as I like to side with Sprint employees in regards to TEP & rooting, it tends to be more of a personal Sprint employee decision as opposed to actual TEP policy.
After reading over the TOS in regards to TEP, there are some things written in there that could potentially be used against you should rooting be considered the cause of your problem:
"Sprint is not liable for the websites you visit or anything you download or cause to be downloaded to your device. Damage related to websites visited or downloads to your device may not be covered by Sprint's Service and Repair policy or your device insurance policy."
Personally, it's a chance one takes & it depends on who you deal with on any given day should you run into any trouble. There just seems to be alot if what if's in how it's written, how it's defined & how a Sprint rep would handle the situation.
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Full Disclosure: I am a Sprint employee. Any opinions are my own and in no way endorsed by Sprint.
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Overstew said:
You sure your method of returning to stock didn't preserve your root? It's possible.
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I can honestly say I am absolutely certain I didn't have root when I handed them my phone to be repaired.
I ODINed EK02, which removed my root, then I used a USB Jig, which reset my download count, and then I booted up my phone and was informed there was an update, and so I did the OTA to EL29. At this point I actually tried to install Titanium for ****s and giggles, only to be told I didn't meet the requirements to use the app, root, so I uninstalled it.
Hey guys, i just got my N7 last thursday and I noticed the sporatic touch issues. Cant click a link until i zoom in quite a bit, scrolling a page stops and starts as i drag my finger across the screen. Its pretty annoying.
I started looking into it and i see lots of people having these problems.
So, is there a definite answer?
Is this a software bug that can potentialy be fixed? Or is this a hardware issue?
I am debating on returning the tablet... Which sucks because other than the touch issues, its been running great.
Thanks guys.
No.
No definitive answer.
And don't expect one from Google/ASUS.
Sfhub has a fix that, if you work through the options, has over an 80% success rate. You'll need to unlock the N7 and follow his instructions exactly.
That leaves the balance of <20% which are most likely hardware.
Your choice. (Maybe) fix it yourself, or keep returning until you get a 'good' one.
Personally, if I still had the option, I'd keep returning it until I got a 'good' one. Let them choke on the defective ones. We're paying them for a working device. Why should we have to fix them?
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No.
No definitive answer.
And don't expect one from Google/ASUS.
Sfhub has a fix that, if you work through the options, has over an 80% success rate. You'll need to unlock the N7 and follow his instructions exactly.
That leaves the balance of <20% which are most likely hardware.
Your choice. (Maybe) fix it yourself, or keep returning until you get a 'good' one.
Personally, if I still had the option, I'd keep returning it until I got a 'good' one. Let them choke on the defective ones. We're paying them for a working device. Why should we have to fix them?
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Yeah its pretty effin' annoying that they are distributing a defective device and don't even aknowledge that there is an issue.
I think ill try the fix first, if that doesnt work, ill revert it back to stock, factory reset and return the damn thing.
Nuar said:
Yeah its pretty effin' annoying that they are distributing a defective device and don't even aknowledge that there is an issue.
I think ill try the fix first, if that doesnt work, ill revert it back to stock, factory reset and return the damn thing.
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IMO it is ultimately a hardware variance in almost all cases, but in some cases it can be compensated for in software.
Google acknowledged the issue months ago, issued a fix that fixed some units and broke others, but has since crawled back into a cave and have not said another word.
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IMO it is ultimately a hardware variance in almost all cases, but in some cases it can be compensated for in software.
Google acknowledged the issue months ago, issued a fix that fixed some units and broke others, but has since crawled back into a cave and have not said another word.
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Yep.
Can't wait to see what 'surprises' the Google/ASUS N10 might bring.
Maybe it'll just fail totally out of the box, and they'll blame the user for opening it.....
sfhub said:
IMO it is ultimately a hardware variance in almost all cases, but in some cases it can be compensated for in software.
Google acknowledged the issue months ago, issued a fix that fixed some units and broke others, but has since crawled back into a cave and have not said another word.
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Yeah, thats what i've gathered from all the posts i've read over the past two days.
Thats why Im willing to try the software side of things first. I figured its worth a shot.
I think it's hardware, the severity depends on your touch firmware (which I suggest you experiment with) and your eye for details. Mine works fine for the most part, sometimes it doesn't realize I lifted my finger off the screen but it's not a deal breaker. I still think it's pretty unacceptable, after years of capacitive touchscreens, I expect them to be flawless by now.
I just got mine today and mine is having issues. I don't know if I should tinker with the software or just send it back. I definitely need to do something about it though, it's an absolute pain for me to use.
Folks, I recently purchased a month old LG G4 from a guy and its through Verizon, well the guys has been shipped overseas(he is in the service) and I just saw the promotion for the battery, battery cradle and micro sd card and my question is this, I have the phone and of course the IMEI number but I don't have a receipt for the phone, I've contacted LG and they tell me I have to have a copy of the receipt along with IMEI number of phone, can anyone suggest anything that would get me closer to being able to get the receipt for the phone like calling the store where it was purchased or anything like that? I texted the guy and he said he is locked out of his Verizon account so he couldn't get me a copy of receipt.
love the phone though and works great.
thanks in advance.
I doubt you can do anything, you bought in a secondary market.
If you really need a battery just buy it on ebay I seen some go for 20 bucks
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Not 100% sure but I might take mine back due to unresponsiveness. IF I do take it back and get the N6, I'll give you the battery pack. You'll just pay shipping. Again, I'm not too sure. Just send me a pm so I won't forget if I end up doing it
Give me a break... At least wait for the update. It's not nearly bad enough to return the phone
My choice brother. Sorry if that bothers you
I agree. If you are having lagginess and have NOT factory reset, you are doing yourself a disservice. Phone is solid. Mine was freaking out when I first got it. I suspect it was because the Carrier tech skipped the initial setup and it was freaking out. After a factory reset and finished the setup properly, it has been amazing. I use Nova btw. Supposedly some of the LG Home Launcher widgets were buggy and eating ram and resources that cause lagginess and battery draining.
You can always try to submit for the Free battery and stuff. Worst case is they tell you no. I think you have until July 15th to Submit. Unfortunately you have to have a Receipt of Purchase. So unless you have the original Verizon receipt, you will be SOL.
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I agree. If you are having lagginess and have NOT factory reset, you are doing yourself a disservice. Phone is solid..
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THIS. Mine was having all kinds of lag and miss-touches (To the point that I kind of wanted to throw it against a wall) so I opted to do a factory reset and now I have literally NO lag at all. Was even able to install the launcher I wanted but could not use prior because of how buggy my G4 was being.
So as stated just do a factory reset and then give the phone a real chance.....You will thank yourself later for it.
folks, again I'm still new to Android, when you say " factory reset" I'm assuming you start from scratch on the phone? if you do this how are you getting your information back again as far as contacts, emails, pictures and so forth?
thanks
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I agree. If you are having lagginess and have NOT factory reset, you are doing yourself a disservice. Phone is solid. Mine was freaking out when I first got it. I suspect it was because the Carrier tech skipped the initial setup and it was freaking out. After a factory reset and finished the setup properly, it has been amazing. I use Nova btw. Supposedly some of the LG Home Launcher widgets were buggy and eating ram and resources that cause lagginess and battery draining.
You can always try to submit for the Free battery and stuff. Worst case is they tell you no. I think you have until July 15th to Submit. Unfortunately you have to have a Receipt of Purchase. So unless you have the original Verizon receipt, you will be SOL.
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The offer ends tomorrow, June 30th.
rockey95 said:
folks, again I'm still new to Android, when you say " factory reset" I'm assuming you start from scratch on the phone? if you do this how are you getting your information back again as far as contacts, emails, pictures and so forth?
thanks
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If your contacts are on Gmail, then you won't have any issues. That goes the same for emails.
Pictures and videos must be copied first to either your PC or copy them to Micro SD card. Then you reset your device, and then copy them back. It's quite simple. Let me know if you don't understand and I'll be more than happy to give you a more detailed explanation.
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If your contacts are on Gmail, then you won't have any issues. That goes the same for emails.
Pictures and videos must be copied first to either your PC or copy them to Micro SD card. Then you reset your device, and then copy them back. It's quite simple. Let me know if you don't understand and I'll be more than happy to give you a more detailed explanation.
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For pictures and videos, just like email/contacts store on the cloud, if you've loaded Google Photos and had it auto-upload all your content, it'll always be available as well.
Now, that said, while I'm with the others on holding onto the phone and giving it time, I do realize that the actual return windows for the product are finite. It's a lot harder to sell the device later on your own (not hard, just harder) rather than leverage a return to the store and potential impact of a restocking fee. The restocking fee may be a small price to pay for the piece of mind acquired by getting out of a device you don't want. For that, you're the only one that can make the decision.
Yeah no one cares what anyone else does with their own phone but don't go around telling others it's bad. It has a bad release software. LG messed up but hopefully they can fix it soon. They already claim to have updates ready soon.
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Yeah no one cares what anyone else does with their own phone but don't go around telling others it's bad. It has a bad release software. LG messed up but hopefully they can fix it soon. They already claim to have updates ready soon.
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LOL! The software on this phone isn't nearly as bad as the Optimus G. At least this is manageable for most (in my case, it's no issues at all really). The Optimus G would turn into a pocket heater due to borked kernel at release.
I can only imagine what some of the crowd in these G4 forums would have done if they had the S2 back when Sammy didn't do their homework and pushed out a release that bricked the devices that took the update before they could pull it....
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LOL! The software on this phone isn't nearly as bad as the Optimus G. At least this is manageable for most (in my case, it's no issues at all really). The Optimus G would turn into a pocket heater due to borked kernel at release.
I can only imagine what some of the crowd in these G4 forums would have done if they had the S2 back when Sammy didn't do their homework and pushed out a release that bricked the devices that took the update before they could pull it....
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I have minor problems. Every once in a while it misses a swipe on the keyboard and even less often I get some minor lag. Other than that it runs very well for me.
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I have minor problems. Every once in a while it misses a swipe on the keyboard and even less often I get some minor lag. Other than that it runs very well for me.
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I can deal with a few tech ticks here and there. I really look for my phone to be spot on with phone, data and it's usage, sms, mms, and camera (biggest thing for me). So far, can't find much to complain about here.
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Yeah no one cares what anyone else does with their own phone but don't go around telling others it's bad. It has a bad release software. LG messed up but hopefully they can fix it soon. They already claim to have updates ready soon.
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Never told anyone the G4 wasn't good for anyone. I just said MY phone is having the issues. I don't have lag after the reset but the miss clicks are still there and it's horrible to the point where I have to touch 6 times just to wake the screen and I have to go back and rewrite stuff because it's missing a letter. I myself want a phone without issues out of the box and that's what I thought I was paying for. Again, I'm not saying the phone in general sucks, Im just upset at the first impression I got from it
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Never told anyone the G4 wasn't good for anyone. I just said MY phone is having the issues. I don't have lag after the reset but the miss clicks are still there and it's horrible to the point where I have to touch 6 times just to wake the screen and I have to go back and rewrite stuff because it's missing a letter. I myself want a phone without issues out of the box and that's what I thought I was paying for. Again, I'm not saying the phone in general sucks, Im just upset at the first impression I got from it
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Ouch. I would say you have a lemon. A few people do have legit problems, exchanged and 1000x better.
To factory reset, go into Settings. Security. Wipe device.
Contacts, apps, etc will restore when you first sign in to your google account during initial setup. There are tons of Getting Started guides for Android. If you are new to Android, welcome.
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Ouch. I would say you have a lemon. A few people do have legit problems, exchanged and 1000x better.
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I wouldn't say that's true. I've been following several different forums, apart from XDA, and there are A LOT of people who complain of the knock-on issue. As well as the keyboard issue (with any keyboard). Many people claim that the issue goes away after a reset, but I actually do see a lot of them return saying "I was wrong, and it took 3-4 days for me to notice it again."
I think that there is a bug in the software. If they had found it, it would have been pushed ASAP seeing as it plagues a great many people. They're still working on it... Hopefully they'll fix it soon!
Just sayin'.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver.../lg-honor-battery-promotion-adopters-t2885022
There is a thread on another forum that a user's phone is suddenly non responsive over night. I am not sure if link can be posted or not. Anyone else has this problem?
Is it possible his (or her) phone is simply about to fail like so many others have because it's a known defective device?
I have the updates blocked, and mine is still good to go.
Cool, there hadn't used to be a warning before it happened . It appears more like IMEI block I think? It is only showing Verzion logo and some "lights are blinking"? Disabling updates wouldn't prevent it?
My original unit shut off on its own and then started bootlooping. And then with a few magic presses, the entire thing got wiped out. So bad, the Samsung Service Centre couldn't recover it. And actually told me to wait for the exchange. The first one.
So...I doubt it's Verizon bricking the N7.
So mine actually got blocked , i was using it on tmobile and then all the sudden it stopped working. It was working fine on ATT but on tmo it was dead , i did a IMEI check and it showed it was blacklisted. This happen a week ago now! wala! it magically works 0_0
Why would Verizon do this?
I mean, what's in it for them to block or disable your phone? I don't get it. They are not stolen.
To avoid any potential law suits against them? Actually I don't think they would do it themselves but by the request of Samsung. There is now a law suit filed over exploding s6. Half of the population can't distinguish between Note 7 and their other phones. Samsung might be forced to do it just to save reputation. If they can claim there are no more Note 7s in use, they can protect it better than by saying "Oh we let 1 million of them stay in use because we believe they won't explode"...
Edit: Probably hasn't happened in this case though, I am sure there would have been a warning first, notification of public by Samsung...
I think they'd open themselves up to lawsuits if they go around disabling peoples' phones without formal written notification, not just rumours on websites and chat rooms. And maybe lawsuits even after the warning. I've not read all the detailed t's and c's and maybe they would be within their rights to do it, but maybe in fact they would not.
Probably they are, because there has been a recall and are offering refunds. I don't know...
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Probably they are, because there has been a recall and are offering refunds. I don't know...
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That doesn't explain it.
taz1458 said:
I have the updates blocked, and mine is still good to go.
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What did you use to block future OTAs? Thanks!
CraigSam said:
What did you use to block future OTAs? Thanks!
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Package disabled pro
taz1458 said:
Package disabled pro
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Trying that now. Thanks!