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[Q] sprint service center failed

Went to the service center today and the tech spent about 30min trying to downgrade my phone but eventually said it couldn't be done. So he said that he would put in an order for another phone for me but said it may be a refurb. My phone is working great so far with the leaked 2.2 but can't get the official update like everyone else. When they call me to pick up my replacement phone should I pick it up risking getting a refurb or just wait for a fix from HTC or Sprint?

If it were me, and there wasn't anything physically wrong with the phone, I'd keep it and try to wait for a fix to this in the forums. I would guess, as far as sprint and htc are concerned, that you are just sol because you jumped the gun and didn't wait for an official final release that sprint approved for the phone. They could say that it's your problem, not theirs. You could exchange it since you have the chance to.
That's a tough call. If it were me and I had to pick the lesser of the two evils, I'd take my chances and wait it out. Or you could suck it up, take the refurb, and learn your lesson to not be so quick to flash the first thing that comes along.
I'm guessing there will eventually be a fix cooked up here to fix the snafu. I might be wrong too. Decisions, decisions!

yeah your right, I do have about a 4 or 5 days to decide because of course the phone is back ordered. So now i can see if a fix turns up until then. Boy i gotta learn to be patient.

See this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744890

yeah i saw this. this is what made me take my phone to the sprint store.

ok I wasnt sure... seems some can do it but others havent got a clue...Go figure..

I say root, install 2.1 and then do ota or just get froyo on it from here. Don't know if there's a root method for froyo yet tho. Didn't check.
Have u done factory reset then search for HTC update? Sometimes reps are weetarded. I was told by a Sprint rep to cancel my service because she was an idiot... long story
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[Q] Activation Nightmare! HELP!

I need help deciding if there is something wrong or this guy is full of S#!T. I'm pretty comfortable with the Evo. I used mostly CM6, CM7, W2P2, & Warm Z nightly while just fiddling with others. I Recently sold my EVO on ebay here. Running Warm Z nightly still, it was pretty obvious it was Rooted. This guy buys it and doesn't even know how to make it usb storage or how to find it on "My Computer" in XP. Completely CLUELESS about rooting phones (but for some reason he still bought it..).
He took it to Sprint (instead of just calling in the EIM) and they noticed it was NOT a factory Rom. They said they couldn't activate it. I walked him through flashing the factory ROM from here. After doing this he claimed they still couldn't activate it over the phone, BUT he never really answered me when I asked what reason they gave for not being able to. He made it sound like it was a technical problem. He said they told him to return it and have me put on the original software (what we already did... minus un-rooting it)
I'm calling B.S. but wanted to know if there was anyone who knew the inner workings of Sprint and could enlighten me. Is there an actual reason I would not only have to put on factory rom, but also un-root it?
What do you think?
1) He's full of Crap
2) Technical Problem
*The WiMax keys were still there when I sold it. I did change the proxy settings using the MSL key but I figured that stuff was all reset when flashing the factory rom. It has RA-recovery.

You say the guy's an idiot... If the Sprint store asked him questions about the phone and he acted like a dummy, there's a good chance that the CSR thought the phone might've been stolen and they blocked it out.
I had a similar problem with Verizon once. Basically, all three of us (me, buyer, CS) had to three-way on the phone and tell them everything was legit before they released the phone from their death grip.

not sure how old this is but it sheds some light:
Per Sprint's TOS:
"Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason, including, but not limited to: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement; (g) breaching the Agreement or failing to follow our Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated or unverifiable identification or credit information, or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications; (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with the Service; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests or our network."
for those that hang around xda, we all know that rooting only enhances the experience, but Sprint is going to hang their hat on "modifying" the device and protect their interests

As long as the rom you are running allows you to successfully update the profile you can activate the phone.
Sent from your favorite carrier, black and yellow!

i dont think sprint would care... if it was rooted and rom or not...
for activiation... why would they care???? sounds very fishy to me.

boytoreckonwith said:
I need help deciding if there is something wrong or this guy is full of S#!T. I'm pretty comfortable with the Evo. I used mostly CM6, CM7, W2P2, & Warm Z nightly while just fiddling with others. I Recently sold my EVO on ebay here. Running Warm Z nightly still, it was pretty obvious it was Rooted. This guy buys it and doesn't even know how to make it usb storage or how to find it on "My Computer" in XP. Completely CLUELESS about rooting phones (but for some reason he still bought it..).
He took it to Sprint (instead of just calling in the EIM) and they noticed it was NOT a factory Rom. They said they couldn't activate it. I walked him through flashing the factory ROM from here. After doing this he claimed they still couldn't activate it over the phone, BUT he never really answered me when I asked what reason they gave for not being able to. He made it sound like it was a technical problem. He said they told him to return it and have me put on the original software (what we already did... minus un-rooting it)
I'm calling B.S. but wanted to know if there was anyone who knew the inner workings of Sprint and could enlighten me. Is there an actual reason I would not only have to put on factory rom, but also un-root it?
What do you think?
1) He's full of Crap
2) Technical Problem
*The WiMax keys were still there when I sold it. I did change the proxy settings using the MSL key but I figured that stuff was all reset when flashing the factory rom. It has RA-recovery.
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I had this happen to me when I sold a rooted evo last year, he can simply activate it online. And that's what I told the person I sold my phone to, to do and they got it activated. Some ppl should research what root is before they buy a rooted phone...
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I can't remember the setting but you need the msl number and go into one of the ## settings menu and you need to change the number to the phone number you want to activate.he can do it online through sprint support for a walk through.

i think u should have sold him the phone running the original rom even if it was rooted

craigbailey1986 said:
I had this happen to me when I sold a rooted evo last year, he can simply activate it online. And that's what I told the person I sold my phone to, to do and they got it activated. Some ppl should research what root is before they buy a rooted phone...
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No crap! Just got off the phone with him. He is an Ax Man - as in he cuts down trees. He bought it because it looked like it would be cooler than the EVO's his partners have....
elegantai said:
I can't remember the setting but you need the msl number and go into one of the ## settings menu and you need to change the number to the phone number you want to activate.he can do it online through sprint support for a walk through.
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Sweet. I'll try that. Do you know which menu? On our phone conversation 10 minutes ago, he said he's willing to ship it back to me to get working and then back to him. He is so clueless he can't even tell me WHAT they tried only that they couldn't get it to work. He was on the phone with tech support for over 2 hours I guess.
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i think u should have sold him the phone running the original rom even if it was rooted
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Well, I made it pretty clear that it was rooted and highly modified. I guess my mistake was assuming people don't buy something they know nothing about.
I'll keep you updated...

This is what you need to do to fix this, I have the same problem./
( I meant your friend, not you)
You need to install the stock RUU.
Run it, and have it initialize, IT WILL ACTIVATE.
Then... after that, you can do a wipe and install CM7.
THIS PHONE WILL NOT ACTIVATE ON CM7 (OR ANY CM) ALONE, WITHOUT PREACTIVATING ON THE STOCK SENSE.

ALSO...He said the Sprint Tech guy did NOT ban the EMI and in fact verified that it was clear. He said it just would not activate on the sprint system...so maybe a profile update problem? Stock roms should be fine updating right? He downloaded the OTA #7 here from XDA from a direct link I gave him. I walked him through flashing it over the phone so I'm 95% sure he put it on there (5% hethought he successfully put it on). I guess we'll see.

kthejoker20 said:
This is what you need to do to fix this, I have the same problem./
( I meant your friend, not you)
You need to install the stock RUU.
Run it, and have it initialize, IT WILL ACTIVATE.
Then... after that, you can do a wipe and install CM7.
THIS PHONE WILL NOT ACTIVATE ON CM7 (OR ANY CM) ALONE, WITHOUT PREACTIVATING ON THE STOCK SENSE.
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He already has OTA #7 on it...and sprint verified the EIM is clear. Profile update problem?

Interesting thread. For reasons in this thread, I've never been comfortable selling an unlocked device on ebay or similar... In fact, the last 2 phones sold on ebay some weeks back were reverted to completely stock condition. Once the sale is over/phone activated, I don't want to know or hear from the buyer ever again.
It would seem that reading and comprehension has become a lost skill these days. In the ad, you don't specify which rom, but do specify it's sense, so little reason why he couldn't just activate it online or over the phone. From what you describe, the buyer simply doesn't know any better or understands what rooting enables.
Maybe the lesson here is to sell it root/unlocked, but with a fully stock sprint rom installed. The image for whatever custom rom (sense or otherwise) you had previously tweaked to work best with the device is then included in the nandroid folder. This way, should you end up with an ignorant buyer, there is little excuse from sprint regarding activation. If the buyer decides to try your customized/tweaked rom, you can include instructions in the email how to do this. Maybe even include both images - stock sprint and custom roms.
Before going back to sprint, I would try walking him through the online activation process.
##786# has an option to completely wipe all the ota info from the device. Once the esn is associated with his account, he should be able to perform an ota activation using this method, or settings/about/update profile.

Does he have a Sprint account? If so, screw the CSR and activate the phone online via ESN.

Good enough to get repair help?

Hey everyone.
So I have finally decided that the dust being under my evo's screen has gotten annoying enough to where i want to get it cleaned. Problem is that i'm rooted. My question here today is that will flashing a barebones stock rooted sense rom and removing the superuser app be enough to get by the sprint repair techs? I really don't want to have to unroot and then turn s-on.
Link to barebones rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874251&highlight=stock+rooted
Any input?

Nobody can really say if it's enough or not. It's a gamble. I used a ruu for mine and put everything back to stock. I also removed my sd card because I had read about someone taking their phone in and the tech saw on the card there was root related stuff on there. The guy must have did something or the tech was an ass because he said they refused to fix it and flagged his account that it's a rooted phone.
If you can run the autoroot method, then it's not difficult to do. The script does all the dirty work for you.
If you were too lazy to put everything back to stock and they found out, you would be kicking yourself in the ass for not being more thorough. I'm not trying to be a **** or insult you. I'm saying better being safe than sorry.
If the tech discovers tampering, and they are a ****, then it's all over for your hopes to get it fixed man. Good luck
Here is where I got the one I used before taking it in. I got version 3.70 at the bottom.
http://www.shipped-roms.com/index.php?category=android&model=Supersonic

Agreed
I agree with the hammer. It isn't that hard to unroot your phone at all, it should only take 15 minutes or so. I have heard of some Sprint tech's being cool, and working on a phone regardless of whether it was rooted or not. I have also read of people being given a hard time, and even having their account red flagged. There is no way of knowing if you will get a cool tech, that won't care, or a guy that takes his job too seriously and plays by allt he rules. Due to it being such an unpredictable outcome, I would recommend just unrooting before going in. If you rooted with unrevoked, flash their S-on tool in recovery, then RUU back to stock, or run a PC36IMG of a stock rom through the bootloader. If you never ran unrevoked or unrevoked forever, I don't think you need to flash the S-on tool, just running the RUU should turn your S-on. Once it's all fixed up, use one of the many root methods available, and it'll be like a clean start!

I appreciate both responses and am just gonna run with the unreveoked s on since that's how I rooted. My nands should still be good though correct?

jxr94 said:
I appreciate both responses and am just gonna run with the unreveoked s on since that's how I rooted. My nands should still be good though correct?
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As long as you end up with the same phone (which you surely will). You just don't really want to interchange nandroid backups between different phones, as you run the risk of over writing your RSA keys. If you do, you need to remove the wimax.img from the nandroid backup before running it. And one more thing. Not to be paranoid, but I've seen someone get screwed from it...you should remove anything from your sd card that is related to rooting, flashing, etc. I've seen a guy report of getting his account redflagged and service was refused, because the tech found ROMS, kernels, mods, and other stuff on the sd card. That was supposedly enough evidence of rooting to red flag the account. Surely that is unlikely, but you never know. So it may not hurt to copy your sd card to your computer, then format the card before bringing it in. Or just taking the sd card out all together before you bring it in. Take it for what its worth, and good luck on getting your screen fixed!

I gave the advice that probably 99.9% will get you to where you need to be to safely get it fixed or replaced. It is up to you if you do or do not want to take a chance with a modded phone.

Hello,
I used to be a Service an Repair Area Manager. In the MI area.
I personaly did not care if the phone was rooted or not, being the screen is just dirty I personaly would have never even looked at software.
If Your really worried about your sprint tech's looking into things its also not hard to just take the digitiser off and clean it yourself, let me know if you want to know how to get it done.
jxr94 said:
Hey everyone.
So I have finally decided that the dust being under my evo's screen has gotten annoying enough to where i want to get it cleaned. Problem is that i'm rooted. My question here today is that will flashing a barebones stock rooted sense rom and removing the superuser app be enough to get by the sprint repair techs? I really don't want to have to unroot and then turn s-on.
Link to barebones rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874251&highlight=stock+rooted
Any input?
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Isn't this the millionth thread about should I take a rooted phone in?
Sent from my rooted HTC EVO using the xda app!

Non-software related issues do not warrant checking software. If you bring a rooted device into my store for hardware issues, I probably won't even check it. And if I do notice, it's not a problem since hardware != software.
Now if you come into my store complaining that your device is freezing, camera isn't working, etc and you're a jerk when I say it could be the root or ROM, then I'll flag your account.
All in all, if you're having software problems on a root device, don't take it to Sprint. Hardware is still a go.

Sunsparc said:
Non-software related issues do not warrant checking software. If you bring a rooted device into my store for hardware issues, I probably won't even check it. And if I do notice, it's not a problem since hardware != software.
Now if you come into my store complaining that your device is freezing, camera isn't working, etc and you're a jerk when I say it could be the root or ROM, then I'll flag your account.
All in all, if you're having software problems on a root device, don't take it to Sprint. Hardware is still a go.
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That is the same thing i would do, The worst thing is to have someone come in beeing a "Jerk" then yes I would flag the account. Never payes to be a "Jerk"

sand1303 said:
Isn't this the millionth thread about should I take a rooted phone in?
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Do I win a prize?

Hahaha! Not this time. But nice try. Hopefully u understand that it is a gamble and there is no real answer. It just depends on the tech and the actual store. My lcd was replaced and I was worried because I couldn't unroot mine without a display. Turned out they fixed it no questions asked. I got lucky. Some people don't. It is either rooted or not no matter how far u customize. And they either care or don't.
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Will Verizon know?

If i dont accept the up coming ota? Im going to start working for them soon, dont wanna look bad.
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watt9493 said:
If i dont accept the up coming ota? Im going to start working for them soon, dont wanna look bad.
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They'll know if your phone accepted the OTA or not. I seem to recall reading that VZW would "assume" that if your phone didn't receive the OTA that you'd be rooted, or something to that effect.

RMarkwald said:
They'll know if your phone accepted the OTA or not. I seem to recall reading that VZW would "assume" that if your phone didn't receive the OTA that you'd be rooted, or something to that effect.
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Fvck.
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Honestly I wouldn't worry about it. Rooting just voids your warranty, so if they knew that when you try to get a warranty replacement, they may charge you full price. That's assuming they even check it. So if you're rooted and not making a warranty claim, the phone is yours, VZW will still take your money happily.
Whenever I've been in VZW stores, the reps even have theirs rooted. So I wouldn't worry about it too much bro!

Just act like nothing is wrong and keep it rooted. Seriously

Im going to. Eff them
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Im going to. Eff them
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That's the spirit

Like the people that work at VZW don't have rooted phones? LOL I think they do...

RMarkwald said:
They'll know if your phone accepted the OTA or not. I seem to recall reading that VZW would "assume" that if your phone didn't receive the OTA that you'd be rooted, or something to that effect.
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not trolling but. i dont see how they can see if you updated or not. i mean everything on the phone is google and not VZW so i dont see how they would know. if they did know then everyone with a root phone couldn't get a replacement and i was one of them. first phone i got the speaker went out in 3 weeks. i RUU to stock and took it in and they gave me another one that day.
if you do have the link to what you read i would like to see it. (again not being a d!ck. im just wondering.

OTA, you mean the new gingerbread we never received we are finally getting?
On the HTC incredbile right?
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The real question is why would Verizon care if you took the update or not?

synisterwolf said:
not trolling but. i dont see how they can see if you updated or not. i mean everything on the phone is google and not VZW so i dont see how they would know. if they did know then everyone with a root phone couldn't get a replacement and i was one of them. first phone i got the speaker went out in 3 weeks. i RUU to stock and took it in and they gave me another one that day.
if you do have the link to what you read i would like to see it. (again not being a d!ck. im just wondering.
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I don't have a link so I'm not exactly sure, but I saw something about how some VZW tech support could see the build # (and maybe some other things you'd see in the "about phone" menu) of the device you were talking to them on. So from there, it could be assumed you were rooted if not running a stock rom.
Again, assuming they could extrapolate that information in that specific circumstance, I don't know why they would care (aside from software-related warranty issues). Most reps I've talked to in a VZ store that had some measure of expertise in their field has a rooted phone.

I believe you have nothing to be concerned about with working for them and having a rooted phone I know a few people who work for Big Red, but they don't have their phone rooted because they just don't care for it (simple minded lol).
They will entice you to upgrade to the latest greatest new phone with your employee discount lol. But assuming you're going to stick with what you have, just don't go volunteering information unless they ask since it's no of their business.
But do be prepared to sign a buttload of nondisclosure papers that you won't share any inside information (but should hehehe).

wildstang83 said:
Like the people that work at VZW don't have rooted phones? LOL I think they do...
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they do, one of them pulled me out of the main floor once when i asked him about the gb update, then recommended this site
but, as far as the OTA gingerbread. don't take it, the risks outweigh the benefits.
risks
. No root for a while (months, or a year)
. Bloatware, that you can't take off, see risk #1
. no roms for a while either
to be honest, ive been running GB for a month now via gingersense, and i like it, yeah the 720p is choppy, yeah, i have other stuff.
but, i'm mainly concerned about the new radio and new kernal
so, take others advice, and just wait.

Will do. And anything i hear, ill post in general. The store im going to work at is pretty chill. I rooted and s-offed my first inc, broke mms (somehow) and they exchanged itbeven looking at the bootloader.
Your phone has now contracted phone AIDS. Shoulda used protection while rooting. LD

So... Sprint rooted my phone...

I have had both Camera and GPS issues since the day I bought my E4GT. My Camera will randomly give me "Recording Failed" when I try to take photos. Changing Camera settings was also a good way of reproducing "Recording Failed" And my GPS simply just doesn't lock, and if it does it is unbelievably inaccurate.
So, I took my phone in several months back, of course all they did was flash it to stock, I came back in an hour and they claimed it was fixed. Within 24 hours I was still having the same Camera issue, and GPS wasn't improved.
I have dealt with this issue up until today and simply ignored it, used my girlfriends GPS etc. Keep in mind that both these issues exist on stock EK02, EL30, and any custom ROM I install, and GPS status or other GPS related apps don't help either.
So, after flashing to EK02, using a USB Jig to reset my download count and then doing the OTA to EL30, the problem persisted. I brought it to the Sprint store, came back an hour and a half later, and they claimed it was fixed. I instantly starting taking photos in the store, after 2 photographs my phone actually just restarted itself. Once it restarted, I tried taking several more photographs and received my usual "Recording Failed" message. At this point the tech takes the phone back, fiddles around on his computer and tells me they will just have to order a new one.
Great news! Glad I'm getting a brand new E4GT. The real kicker... I got back in my car, drove to work and then I noticed something funny, I have the superuser app installed. I installed Titanium backup to confirm I had root, and I did. The Sprint tech seems to have rooted my phone, most likely in attempt to try a few 3rd party fixes.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Doesn't rooting technically void my warranty... Or is it only flashing non-official ROMs? I know I'm still ok on my warranty because they already confirmed they are shipping a phone to the store for me to pick up. I was just shocked to have Sprint root my phone.

Fendulon said:
I have had both Camera and GPS issues since the day I bought my E4GT. My Camera will randomly give me "Recording Failed" when I try to take photos. Changing Camera settings was also a good way of reproducing "Recording Failed" And my GPS simply just doesn't lock, and if it does it is unbelievably inaccurate.
So, I took my phone in several months back, of course all they did was flash it to stock, I came back in an hour and they claimed it was fixed. Within 24 hours I was still having the same Camera issue, and GPS wasn't improved.
I have dealt with this issue up until today and simply ignored it, used my girlfriends GPS etc. Keep in mind that both these issues exist on stock EK02, EL30, and any custom ROM I install, and GPS status or other GPS related apps don't help either.
So, after flashing to EK02, using a USB Jig to reset my download count and then doing the OTA to EL30, the problem persisted. I brought it to the Sprint store, came back an hour and a half later, and they claimed it was fixed. I instantly starting taking photos in the store, after 2 photographs my phone actually just restarted itself. Once it restarted, I tried taking several more photographs and received my usual "Recording Failed" message. At this point the tech takes the phone back, fiddles around on his computer and tells me they will just have to order a new one.
Great news! Glad I'm getting a brand new E4GT. The real kicker... I got back in my car, drove to work and then I noticed something funny, I have the superuser app installed. I installed Titanium backup to confirm I had root, and I did. The Sprint tech seems to have rooted my phone, most likely in attempt to try a few 3rd party fixes.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Doesn't rooting technically void my warranty... Or is it only flashing non-official ROMs? I know I'm still ok on my warranty because they already confirmed they are shipping a phone to the store for me to pick up. I was just shocked to have Sprint root my phone.
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lol the only thing that happened to me like that was:
i brought my evo 3d in so they could check out the power button... (it was pushed down and wouldnt turn on) the phone had cm7 on it... and the tech showed me his OG evo with cm7 on it with the same theme on it (cm7 red remix)
i couldnt restore it back to a stock RUU because of the power button...but he got a replacement for me even when he got it turned on and seen cm7 on it

I've noticed that most techs don't care if your phone is rooted or not. In fact, I used to go down to the Sprint store to look at new accessories, and I would show off that mine was rooted and running CM. I had a couple of the people working there have me root their phone for them.
It would surprise me at all if the tech rooted your phone. Probably jumped on XDA to see if anyone else had solved the problem yet too.

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Probably jumped on XDA to see if anyone else had solved the problem yet too.
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LOL i bet he did... anyone that has any problems with their phones i direct them here... im waiting for the day that the techs in the sprint store ask me "have you checked xda to see if they have any resolution to this problem"
because ive had customer service reps/android tech department (on the phone) tell me to check xda or android community..

Out of curiosity, when recording video were you recording to internal memory or a microSD card? And if a microSD card, what Class? I got that error all the time with my Class 2 16GB, but when I upgraded to my 32GB Class 4 I have no trouble. Apparently the write speed wasn't high enough for the video stream.

Weird. I've got problems where my GPS sometimes won't lock.... but I reboot and it seems to work for another day or whatever.

TurboFool said:
Out of curiosity, when recording video were you recording to internal memory or a microSD card? And if a microSD card, what Class? I got that error all the time with my Class 2 16GB, but when I upgraded to my 32GB Class 4 I have no trouble. Apparently the write speed wasn't high enough for the video stream.
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I actually never recorded video really. This was an issue with simple picture taking at any resolution. I could save to internal or external storage and receive this error. I currently have a class 8 16gb that I use that hasn't given me issues that I know of.
As for the GPS, it was a longstanding and ongoing issue with my phone. No amount of reboots, reflashes or GPS fixes would remedy it. I've tried at least a half dozen roms, plus every OTA and sprint leak. I'm just glad to be getting a new phone.
Also, I've never dropped this phone once. It is literally in pristine condition, you could probably put it in a box and nobody would know that it was used.

yea crazy.. obviously the sprint rep thought he knew what he was doing but in the end, you probably know more than he does .. then again, anybody can read lol. i would have pointed it out in the store and been like hey buddy, whats this? lol then watched him try to explain himself..

elliwigy said:
yea crazy.. obviously the sprint rep thought he knew what he was doing but in the end, you probably know more than he does .. then again, anybody can read lol. i would have pointed it out in the store and been like hey buddy, whats this? lol then watched him try to explain himself..
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Lol that would have been a fun one to watch him try to talk his way out of. At least you had a competent sprint guy, my stores in reno seem to never have people who know anything, not even the selling points of a phone in their store!
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Haha I would have loved to ask in store, but unfortunately I didn't notice this for about a half hour when I was at work.
I'll definitely be asking them about it when I go to pick up my replacement phone. I still have my "Sprint Rooted and certified" phone in my hands haha.

Lol.
Once again, contrary to popular belief, rooting does not void your protection plan with us, nor does it prevent us from doing a paid repair (no TEP). Only the iPhone holds the distinction of having it's protection plan voided by software modification, as per Apple.
Now, are we allowed by corporate rules to root your phone as a method of repair? No, of course not. But we're also supposed to only use software that's provided to us, and a lot of times that just isn't enough.
Of course, there are special cases; if somebody carelessly lost their wimax keys when trying to get s-off, i wouldn't replace the phone for two reasons: it's nonessential to telephony functions (meaning youre not stuck if you need to call 911), and it's technically DBR (damaged beyond economical repair), because our warehouse wont be able to get them back, and the board would end up being scrapped.
To that end, hard bricked phones could be rejected due to DBR, but i have no way of telling if it happened due to flashing the phone, now do I?
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squshy 7 said:
Lol.
Once again, contrary to popular belief, rooting does not void your protection plan with us, nor does it prevent us from doing a paid repair (no TEP). Only the iPhone holds the distinction of having it's protection plan voided by software modification, as per Apple.
Now, are we allowed by corporate rules to root your phone as a method of repair? No, of course not. But we're also supposed to only use software that's provided to us, and a lot of times that just isn't enough.
Of course, there are special cases; if somebody carelessly lost their wimax keys when trying to get s-off, i wouldn't replace the phone for two reasons: it's nonessential to telephony functions (meaning youre not stuck if you need to call 911), and it's technically DBR (damaged beyond economical repair), because our warehouse wont be able to get them back, and the board would end up being scrapped.
To that end, hard bricked phones could be rejected due to DBR, but i have no way of telling if it happened due to flashing the phone, now do I?
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Well thank you very much for this info. Its nice to know the ins and outs of my warranty service. May even take a look into the the terms of service and such for it. It'll nice to have a shiny new phone though for sure.
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Bear gri11z said:
because ive had customer service reps/android tech department (on the phone) tell me to check xda or android community..
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I have the Viewsonic G-tablet and if you contact viewsonic customer support, they always point you to XDA fourms. lol. I wish i could get paid just telling people to check XDA

Just wanted to second this. At this time only jailbroken iPhones have their warranty/protection voided.
You should have no problem getting help even if your phone is rooted, though we should not be the ones doing it for you lol
squshy 7 said:
Lol.
Once again, contrary to popular belief, rooting does not void your protection plan with us, nor does it prevent us from doing a paid repair (no TEP). Only the iPhone holds the distinction of having it's protection plan voided by software modification, as per Apple.
Now, are we allowed by corporate rules to root your phone as a method of repair? No, of course not. But we're also supposed to only use software that's provided to us, and a lot of times that just isn't enough.
Of course, there are special cases; if somebody carelessly lost their wimax keys when trying to get s-off, i wouldn't replace the phone for two reasons: it's nonessential to telephony functions (meaning youre not stuck if you need to call 911), and it's technically DBR (damaged beyond economical repair), because our warehouse wont be able to get them back, and the board would end up being scrapped.
To that end, hard bricked phones could be rejected due to DBR, but i have no way of telling if it happened due to flashing the phone, now do I?
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Full Disclosure: I am a Sprint employee. Any opinions are my own and in no way endorsed by Sprint.
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When i went to go get my e4gt one of the salesmen was talking about his jailbroken iphone to someone he was selling an iphone to. I wasnt really paying attention since they were talking about iphones and i was downloading the xda app while they finished my paperwork.

You sure your method of returning to stock didn't preserve your root? It's possible.

Bear gri11z said:
LOL i bet he did... anyone that has any problems with their phones i direct them here... im waiting for the day that the techs in the sprint store ask me "have you checked xda to see if they have any resolution to this problem"
because ive had customer service reps/android tech department (on the phone) tell me to check xda or android community..
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im a sales rep in a preferred retailer. but because of the time ive spent here, im also the unofficial lead technician in our store, and the last resort for our actual techs when they cant fix it themselves... and they went into training for their job..
evantribley said:
Just wanted to second this. At this time only jailbroken iPhones have their warranty/protection voided.
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99% correct. if an android has a rom flashed, its warranty is void. but we can still repair/replace them with TEP, and paid repairs are fine too. its the unlocking of the bootloader that is looked at, not the actual rooting
see: htc evo3d (htcdev dot com), unlocking nexus s, flash/binary counter in E4GT

As much as I like to side with Sprint employees in regards to TEP & rooting, it tends to be more of a personal Sprint employee decision as opposed to actual TEP policy.
After reading over the TOS in regards to TEP, there are some things written in there that could potentially be used against you should rooting be considered the cause of your problem:
"Sprint is not liable for the websites you visit or anything you download or cause to be downloaded to your device. Damage related to websites visited or downloads to your device may not be covered by Sprint's Service and Repair policy or your device insurance policy."
Personally, it's a chance one takes & it depends on who you deal with on any given day should you run into any trouble. There just seems to be alot if what if's in how it's written, how it's defined & how a Sprint rep would handle the situation.

You are right in that it may change but their are policies and procedures in place that dictate how we do our job. We have clear direction to help Android customers who have rooted devices. The other poster who corrected me is right in the fact that your manufacturer warranty is likely voided from rooting but Sprint will still make an attempt to help you with paid repair or TEP.
We also have clear direction that a jailbroken iPhone loses it's protection.
That is in the ToS so you cannot hold Sprint liable if you break your phone, if you download a virus/malware, install custom apps/software etc.
Yes you can break your phone beyond a point that can be fixed but that doesn't mean that we won't try to help you. Sprint doesn't get anything out of a customer who cancels because their rooted phone breaks and can't be fixed.
EL TEJANO said:
As much as I like to side with Sprint employees in regards to TEP & rooting, it tends to be more of a personal Sprint employee decision as opposed to actual TEP policy.
After reading over the TOS in regards to TEP, there are some things written in there that could potentially be used against you should rooting be considered the cause of your problem:
"Sprint is not liable for the websites you visit or anything you download or cause to be downloaded to your device. Damage related to websites visited or downloads to your device may not be covered by Sprint's Service and Repair policy or your device insurance policy."
Personally, it's a chance one takes & it depends on who you deal with on any given day should you run into any trouble. There just seems to be alot if what if's in how it's written, how it's defined & how a Sprint rep would handle the situation.
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Overstew said:
You sure your method of returning to stock didn't preserve your root? It's possible.
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I can honestly say I am absolutely certain I didn't have root when I handed them my phone to be repaired.
I ODINed EK02, which removed my root, then I used a USB Jig, which reset my download count, and then I booted up my phone and was informed there was an update, and so I did the OTA to EL29. At this point I actually tried to install Titanium for ****s and giggles, only to be told I didn't meet the requirements to use the app, root, so I uninstalled it.