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Share your power consumption with ambient mode ENABLED?

After far too long of shockingly-bad battery life from the stock Moto 360 with no apps at all installed and power consumption of as much as 8% per hour -- and multiple failures to even get to the end of the day without having to recharge, let alone get multiple days -- I want some feedback from my fellow Moto 360 users:
I DO NOT WANT YOU TO REPLY UNLESS YOU HAVE ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:
* Latest firmware installed
* --> Ambient mode enabled <--
* Auto brightness or brightness level 1 (the lowest)
If you do, please reply noting your typical battery life in hours and/or your typical hourly power consumption. Please also note whether you have Motorola Connect installed, whether you have any other Wear apps installed, whether you have a watch face other than the default, and how much the watch is being used.
My goal here is to get a ballpark for what power consumption should be with Ambient mode enabled. Please, if you do not have Ambient mode enabled, do not reply.

Have you tried rebooting your phone in the morning, before you take the watch off the charger? Before i did that, i was getting about 7% drain per hour, after doing that for the past few days, i've gotten the following: 4.9%, 3.4%, 3.6%.
Currently, i am not using any facer watchfaces, just the Moto Rotate face.

steveliv said:
Have you tried rebooting your phone in the morning, before you take the watch off the charger? Before i did that, i was getting about 7% drain per hour, after doing that for the past few days, i've gotten the following: 4.9%, 3.4%, 3.6%.
Currently, i am not using any facer watchfaces, just the Moto Rotate face.
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Thanks for the tip. Rebooting the phone should have precisely zero effect on the watch's power consumption; I'm pretty certain this is nothing more than placebo effect. I'll give it a try tomorrow though, just to rule another thing out.

Ambient Mode on. Auto Brightness. No Apps. Latest firmware (whatever is latest on 10/13/14).
I get at least 16 hours. I haven't had it go dead yet. 20-30% left by midnight. I think it got down to 10% once?
Moderate use. Music always playing/updating. Texting/emails are the only method I use for communication and it's fairly frequent (a few notifications an hour) and I occasionally ask it stuff. I never use the heart rate monitor.

Ambient/auto bright. Off the charger at 745 am, it is just about 12 hours later and I am at 20%. This is very typical.
I run a few apps including wear mini launcher but nothing crazy. Motoconnect installed on phone as well. All software current.

Ambient on, auto mode.
I wear it from 2 days, yesterday I've had about 15 hrs (7am to 10pm before death). Moderate use, some notifications per hour and about 20min of navigation. Didn't receive calls or used cardio. Stock watchface and some apps installed.

I also got 15 hours from 100% to 2%, with ambient ON. I don't expect much more without a substantial software update on both the phone and watch sides.

I did this yesterday and the watch had used 12% every hour. I constantly shook it to keep the screen on, every time the screen faded out.

My 360's battery life has actually been much better than I expected, even with Ambient Mode On. I've been using it for about a week with ambient mode enabled, brightness at level 3, and I still get about 20 hours. I've got a few Wear apps installed, like Wear Mini Launcher and one or two others. Without ambient mode turned on, I get about 24 hours or so. I expected the battery to be terrible after all the reviews but so far I've lucked out on my 360.

Off the charger at 730 am and dead at 9pm. I love the watch and will suck it up and deal with it but the battery life sucks.

Mine consumes about 4.5-5% per hour with ambient on, medium usage.
Kinda double than I get with ambient off.

No one is running facer, right? My battery life seriously sucks with this app.

I get about 12-15hrs before its completely drain.I have ambient light on auto brightness as well.Couple face watches nothing fancy updated to the latest firmware.

alexdiaz said:
Mine consumes about 4.5-5% per hour with ambient on, medium usage.
Kinda double than I get with ambient off.
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I was off the charger at 745 yesterday and dead at 615 which is my worst day ever. I do get a ton of notifications due to work email. I turned off ambient for today and cannot believe the difference. Ambient mode uses at least 2x the battery vs not having it enabled.
Off the charger at 745, it is now 2 pm and I am at 83%. I didn't expect it to be this drastic of an improvement.
I really like ambient mode, but it is tough to justify when the watch is dead in 12 hrs due to it.

robber said:
I really like ambient mode, but it is tough to justify when the watch is dead in 12 hrs due to it.
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Couldn't agree more. In my opinion, ambient mode is simply not a feature of this watch because it is not usable. And that's with a brand-new battery, too. Two years from now, you'll likely have to recharge twice a day just to get through the day with ambient mode enabled.

I have ambient mode on and use Facer and and I can last a full day from averagely 0830 to sometimes around 0100 in the morning. Lowest I've gotten is to around 4% and that was almost near 0200.
But my stats are from light to moderate use. Didn't use navigation or other apps extensively, just time checking and occasional clearing of notifications.

I find the responses here interesting. Maybe I just have a great model. I admit that I probably have what people would consider light usage (it's a damn watch not a phone!) so take it with a grain of salt I guess. But with ambient mode *ON*, I've been going from about 9-10am to 12am (14-15 hours) and ending the night at 66%! I turn off the watch, and then use it for another day the following day. Today, would have counted as my 3rd day in the row without a charge, but it was at like 25%, so I charged it for about 5-10 mins (not sure what percentage it was at.. probably like 30-32%), and went from around 10am to 4-5pm. So basically 2.25 days or so of battery life with light usage. Oh, I also use a black background, and stock "classic" face which probably contributes to this as well.

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I did a test over 2 days, first one with Ambient Off and second with Ambient On. It was "scientific" as the usage varied slightly (i.e. I used it as and when I needed on that day) and found that on day one at 10pm I still had 20% battery left and on day two when I got home from work at 18:30 I had 15% left and it was dead by 10pm.
With the news Im hearing about the watch being more responsive to wrist movement and turning off I will be using it with Ambient Off. Im satisfied with the battery life - I put my phone on charge every night already, no harm in also doing the watch especially as its so simple.

[Q] Battery Query Please

I have had my Galaxy Tab S 10.5 for about a month. My battery seems to deplete very fast, about 10% every 30 minutes. I only use the tablet for reading books on Kindle, looking at my emails, and reading the news. The battery settings show that 57% is being used by the screen, 29% by Touchwiz, 5% by the Android System, and lesser amounts by other sources. I have my display settings set to Automatic Brightness and Adaptive Display.
I understood that I could expect about 8 hours battery life but I am lucky to get 5 hours. I have not watched videos or played games on the tablet as yet. I was wondering if this battery life is normal or should I be expecting more.
I usually start recharging once the battery shows around 30% and it then takes about 4 hours to charge to 100% again.

Auto Brightness and Adaptive Display take up power constantly checking ambient light and making adjustments. Better off disabling both and setting the brightness manually, I have mine set on Amoled Cinema and a brighness of about %20 - %25, it's pretty easy to read indoors at those settings.
Another thing, the more light colours on the screen the more current the display uses, amoled displays are like that, so your better off having a dark background and light text than the reverse, I always use the dark or black theme options in apps that give you the choice.

Thank you for your reply. I have turned off auto brightness and adaptive display. I agree the Cinema setting looks fine. Thanks again for your help.

sphinx5779 said:
Thank you for your reply. I have turned off auto brightness and adaptive display. I agree the Cinema setting looks fine. Thanks again for your help.
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Typically, it takes about 4-5 hours to charge. To me I think lollipop charges a bit faster.

DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Typically, it takes about 4-5 hours to charge. To me I think lollipop charges a bit faster.
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Annoyingly I have not got lollipop. I have tried to update the system manually but it says the tablet is up to date. Why is it some have it and other do not?

I found this battery calibration guide, it says it`s for phones but it will work for tablets too.
John.
You can calibrate the battery like this before you decide to buy a new one
Fully charge the battery with the phone on and when the phone is fully charged, unplug the charger and turn it off
When your phone is off, plug it into the charger and let it charge to 100% again. The green LED light will indicate when this is done.
Next unplug the charger, turn on your phone and set the option to ensure that your screen doesn’t turn off, if you have this option. Then reconnect to the charger and wait for it to charge again to 100%.
Once charged to 100%, unplug the charger again and do not charge until the smartphone turns itself off after reaching a 0% battery level. Once off, fully charge it again and it should work properly. The screen setting can put back to normal again (meaning turn off after a certain amount of time).
From AndroidPit
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
I found this battery calibration guide, it says it`s for phones but it will work for tablets too.
John.
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Thank you, I will try that. Thanks again.

Question Adaptive Charging

I've read that
A Google support document provides specifics regarding both points. Namely, your phone has to start charging after 9 p.m., while the alarm must be set between 5-10 a.m
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However I noticed when I had my alarm set from 11pm till 09.30am the phone was already 100% charged by 9am so it looks like Googles own documentation is wrong

your alarm was set for 9:30 and it reached full charge prior to that. What am i missing? Seems correct to me.

Adaptive Charging is a bit buggy, mine usually reaches full charge at about 3-4 o'clock in the morning. You can get accubattery pro and see when your phone has reached full charge.

skimminstones said:
your alarm was set for 9:30 and it reached full charge prior to that. What am i missing? Seems correct to me.
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It reached 100% way before 09.30am so clearly isn't working or not in that time frame even though its correct according to Google..................it did state 100% by 09.30 though so lied to itself

I don't get the problem? I dont think Google state it will finish charging at the time set by the alarm does it? Just that it will slow charge and be 100% before the alarm goes off, which it seems like it did for you.
Either way, your phone charged.

Shipoftheline said:
I've read that
However I noticed when I had my alarm set from 11pm till 09.30am the phone was already 100% charged by 9am so it looks like Googles own documentation is wrong
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why do you set an alarm from 11h00pm to 9h30am ? This is not how you do it.
set alarm for 9h30am only (if you normally get up around this hour)
Put phone on charger after 9pm the day before
Will fast charge to 80% in the next couple of hours. The next 20% will take the longest to charge.
Your phone will be 100% charged no later than 9h30am or close to it.

therock3181 said:
why do you set an alarm from 11h00pm to 9h30am ? This is not how you do it.
set alarm for 9h30am only (if you normally get up around this hour)
Put phone on charger after 9pm the day before
Will fast charge to 80% in the next couple of hours. The next 20% will take the longest to charge.
Your phone will be 100% charged no later than 9h30am or close to it.
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It was put on at 11pm

In my testing it usually hits around 80% 2 hours before the alarm is set to to go off. I believe within an hour of the alarm is when it's supposed to hit 100%. What time did you actually see it hit 100%?

I have a silent alarm set to 7am and it normally hits 100% with around 15 minutes to go, i quite often unplug it with just a few % to go if i wake up at 6.30'ish

In the past it hit 100% when the alarm was set to go off

General QI Wireless Charging Receiver for the Poco F3 (TESTED WORKING)

I have been a fan of wireless charging for many years since my LG G4,
with the optional, QI charging rear case,
As the F3 lacks QI charging, i have been struggling to find a compatible charging receiver,
after buying 2 incompatible charging receivers, the black type with qi printing in the middle, from a well known UK auction site.
I thought I would try ALI, as i buy bits from there and came across this type in the photo,
and I can confirm it works a treat.
I use my F3 in a flip case and the receiver is still working up to a depth of 5mm.
Buying this QI charging receiver means Less wear and tear on the charge socket
and also helps a bit with water proofing and protects the socket from Dirt & Fluff

Could you link the item you bought from Ali that worked?

LilBlinx said:
Could you link the item you bought from Ali that worked?
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Hi,
I have just updated my post,
Cheers

How much time do you need 2 charge a full battery ?

Hi,
I have just checked Accubattery and a 30% charge (30 to 60% / 1.209 ma) took, 1hr 22m and this only achieved 0.04 battery wear cycles using a Swalle 5w wireless charger,
this is perfect for me
regards

johnr64 said:
Hi,
I am a low phone user and find that a 60% charge lasts me around 8 hours before I hit 30%.
I use a brilliant program called Advanced Charging Controller (ACCA) , that keeps my phone nicely topped up between 30 & 60%, i have just checked Accubattery and a 30% charge (30 to 60% / 1.209 ma) took, 1hr 22m and this only achieved 0.04 battery wear cycles, this is perfect for me
regards
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You need to read more user feedback lol
It's not recommended to be using it on xiaomi phones.
The chip in charge of charging will eventually die ( get corrupted or whatev ) and the phone becomes permanently bricked.
Aosp rom's experimented with it few months back , then fully removed it soon after reports came in.

Rstment ^m^ said:
You need to read more user feedback lol
It's not recommended to be using it on xiaomi phones.
The chip in charge of charging will eventually die ( get corrupted or whatev ) and the phone becomes permanently bricked.
Aosp rom's experimented with it few months back , then fully removed it soon after reports came in.
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Hi,
thanks for the heads up, i also read that users were depleting their batteries to 0%, using (ACC) then were unable to recover from a dead phone,
i also read that to recover from this issue was to leave the phone plugged in for a long time or to jump start the phone buy putting a small amount of external charge into their battery,
yes this does mean removing the battery from the phone and injecting a small amount of charge.
I might just buy a spare BM4Y from ALI for around £16 including taxes just in case.
I have two battery charge alarms set to 25% for peace of mind of,
not getting anywhere near 0%
IF I AM INCORRECT THEN I WILL EDIT MY POST,
Keep me informed,
cheers.

johnr64 said:
Hi,
thanks for the heads up, i also read that users were depleting their batteries to 0%, using (ACC) then were unable to recover from a dead phone,
i also read that to recover from this issue was to leave the phone plugged in for a long time or to jump start the phone buy putting a small amount of external charge into their battery,
yes this does mean removing the battery from the phone and injecting a small amount of charge.
I might just buy a spare BM4Y from ALI for around £16 including taxes just in case.
I have two battery charge alarms set to 25% for peace of mind of,
not getting anywhere near 0%
IF I AM INCORRECT THEN I WILL EDIT MY POST,
Keep me informed,
cheers.
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You do you man xd...
Not something I wanna mess with at all , I've experienced plenty amount of times having the phone discharge while plugged in with that app installed.
Even when I go to bed and leave the phone plugged in , I wake up and battery is 40-50% lower than what it was the night before... I had 2/3 nights of wondering did I forget to plug the phone and sleepwalk into plugging it in few minutes before waking up?
It's crazy bad on this phone , If I was to ever use it for something that would be to disable battery charging altogether and power the phone fully from outlet when in use - but that toggle doesn't work either xd
I see no use in it , more trouble than good in using it. This is a really shet phone , one that I don't see myself using for long.

Rstment ^m^ said:
You do you man xd...
Not something I wanna mess with at all , I've experienced plenty amount of times having the phone discharge while plugged in with that app installed.
Even when I go to bed and leave the phone plugged in , I wake up and battery is 40-50% lower than what it was the night before... I had 2/3 nights of wondering did I forget to plug the phone and sleepwalk into plugging it in few minutes before waking up?
It's crazy bad on this phone , If I was to ever use it for something that would be to disable battery charging altogether and power the phone fully from outlet when in use - but that toggle doesn't work either xd
I see no use in it , more trouble than good in using it. This is a really shet phone , one that I don't see myself using for long.
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Thank you for your Update,
i don`t charge my phone overnight,
i will edit my listing in case anyone else faces your issue,
with new android updates, SMART CHARGING might be available for all phones and hopefully the devs can make it compatible with the F3.
Samsung already has this function working on some of their phones,
Cheers

johnr64 said:
Hi,
thanks for the heads up, i also read that users were depleting their batteries to 0%, using (ACC) then were unable to recover from a dead phone,
i also read that to recover from this issue was to leave the phone plugged in for a long time or to jump start the phone buy putting a small amount of external charge into their battery,
yes this does mean removing the battery from the phone and injecting a small amount of charge.
I might just buy a spare BM4Y from ALI for around £16 including taxes just in case.
I have two battery charge alarms set to 25% for peace of mind of,
not getting anywhere near 0%
IF I AM INCORRECT THEN I WILL EDIT MY POST,
Keep me informed,
cheers.
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i agree the charging chip might suffer if u set too many parameters, I personally use a charging limit set to 80% and leave everything else as default that should extend battery health and protect it from overcharging or staying on 100% plugged in, but I turn it off at least once a month and charge it fully.

Thanks for the tip, just received the linked receiver and it works for me as well.
Also tried two others before (generic one with "Type C" printed on it and one from Nillkin), neither worked. After finding this thread, I decided to gave it one last try.
Interesting detail: while trying to get the other two to work, I tried connecting them through a USB-C power tester and... it started to charge.

msylw said:
Thanks for the tip, just received the linked receiver and it works for me as well.
Also tried two others before (generic one with "Type C" printed on it and one from Nillkin), neither worked. After finding this thread, I decided to gave it one last try.
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Hi,
I am glad i could help,
for all the ACCA Doubters, my F3 has been happily charging between 35% & 60% for the last 4 weeks and i have not had any issues with my phone not turning on.
I've been looking for many years for the ultimate battery charging app that restricts my phone from charging to 100%, to save on battery cycles and thus keeping my battery in tip top condition,
I can confirm that ACCA Nailed it.
For those of you that are interested in maintaining your battery,
this is how my F3 is setup,
I use the brilliant Descendant Rom V1921, rooted with Magisk for ACCA,
Advanced Charging Controller (ACCA),
also Accubattery to monitor battery cycles and Battery alarm by Zoran Vujacic, this warns me regarding my battery levels,
both apps are available from the Play store.
I set Battery alarm to warn me when my battery drops below 25% and above 60% i also use Accubattery to monitor my battery health and keep an eye on my charge cycles.
I charge my phone between 35% and 60%, acuubattery reports that i have only used 0.003 cycles, (this lasts me around 8 hours).
REGARDING ACCA
Do not let your phone charge drop to 0%, otherwise you may not be able to charge or turn your phone on, this issue has been reported using other xiaomi phones and roms.
Use ACCA at your own risk,
again i hope this helps someone,

johnr64 said:
Hi,
I am glad i could help,
for all the ACCA Doubters, my F3 has been happily charging between 35% & 60% for the last 4 weeks and i have not had any issues with my phone not turning on.
I've been looking for many years for the ultimate battery charging app that restricts my phone from charging to 100%, to save on battery cycles and thus keeping my battery in tip top condition,
I can confirm that ACCA Nailed it.
For those of you that are interested in maintaining your battery,
this is how my F3 is setup,
I use the brilliant Descendant Rom V1921, rooted with Magisk for ACCA,
Advanced Charging Controller (ACCA),
also Accubattery to monitor battery cycles and Battery alarm by Zoran Vujacic, this warns me regarding my battery levels,
both apps are available from the Play store.
I set Battery alarm to warn me when my battery drops below 25% and above 60% i also use Accubattery to monitor my battery health and keep an eye on my charge cycles.
I charge my phone between 35% and 60%, acuubattery reports that i have only used 0.003 cycles, (this lasts me around 8 hours).
REGARDING ACCA
Do not let your phone charge drop to 0%, otherwise you may not be able to charge or turn your phone on, this issue has been reported using other xiaomi phones and roms.
Use ACCA at your own risk,
again i hope this helps someone,
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What charging switch are you using? And did you able to change voltage and current?

finalgravity525 said:
What charging switch are you using? And did you able to change voltage and current?
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Hi,
I use Advanced Charging Controller (ACCA) as in my previous post, i don`t use Voltage/Current limit functions, i just set the maximum charge limit.
ACCA is a Software only based charging app, it requires Root access for it to work, i have attached some screen shots of ACCA, as you can see it has lots of useful functions.
I have also attached pictures of my slightly modified QI Wireless receiver, i did this by putting aluminium foil around the receiver to dissipate a little bit more heat.
As my phone is in a clam style case and with the warmer weather slowly on its way, anything to help the QI receiver with heat has to be a good thing, especially as the receiver is in close proximity to the F3`s Li-ion battery.
I hope this helps

Bought 2 of them (in case of) from this ali vendor and I can confirm it works fine with the F3, thanks OP
It works at full 1A/5W
EDIT: one of the receiver does not work anymore, tested with different chargers/phones :-/

Screen turns on when phone is charging and it reaches ~83%

My phone's screen is turning on for a moment while charging and i noticed that it's doing it everytime when the charge reaches 83%. I'm on stock rom. Does anyone know why it's happening and if it can be disabled somehow ?

asmodeopt said:
My phone's screen is turning on for a moment while charging and i noticed that it's doing it everytime when the charge reaches 83%. I'm on stock rom. Does anyone know why it's happening and if it can be disabled somehow ?
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Cool feature!
Maybe it's a nightly warning when the optimum charge level is reached?
Does it also happen during the day?

ze7zez said:
Cool feature!
Maybe it's a nightly warning when the optimum charge level is reached?
Does it also happen during the day?
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Yeah, it does happen during the day.
I've noticed since my post that it is not always at 83%, sometimes it's at 80, 81 or 82.
I still haven't figured out why.
My current theory is that it was supposed to turn on once it reached 100% but a bug reading the battery level is causing it to turn on before. If in the next weeks it starts doing so at 79%, 78% and so forth it could prove this theory right.