Related
Is the G4 really this bad? I bought one a few days ago, coming from the G2. I'm waiting for it to settle in but damn.. this thing goes through 3000mah like a fat kid through candy. My G2, now 2 years old lasts twice as long SOT. 6 hours to 3. I just.. I want to love the 4, but it is just too power hungry. Does this beast settle down over time? I have a week more to return it for something else, and on the verge.
Since firmware v10c there's a problem with GPS sucking battery. Try setting it to “battery saving“. Perhaps this improves things...
Yeah. Read that. Shouldn't have to turn everything down or off in 2015. I so love this phone but wow. The battery is nonsense. I went to it because my G2 was/is a champ. What is going on with this thing?
The battery in the g2 is much better, but finding a flagship from 2015 with a better battery than the g4 (and a comparable camera, screen, size etc.) is impossible.
It charges more than one percent per minute with6a normal charger, and you can buy a spare battery and a fast charger but the sot isn't going to get much better than what you're expering now. It's still the best phone ever imho.
android404 said:
The battery in the g2 is much better, but finding a flagship from 2015 with a better battery than the g4 (and a comparable camera, screen, size etc.) is impossible.
It charges more than one percent per minute with6a normal charger, and you can buy a spare battery and a fast charger but the sot isn't going to get much better than what you're expering now. It's still the best phone ever imho.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I got a free battery with it, and the charging cradle. Which is nice. I guess I just got spoiled. The G2 is so awesome, and I expected this to be the same. It's not. Not even close. I bought this G4, a Note 5 and an S6 at the same time. Both Sammy's perform much better, and that pains me to say. Ugg.
AlwaysLimey said:
I got a free battery with it, and the charging cradle. Which is nice. I guess I just got spoiled. The G2 is so awesome, and I expected this to be the same. It's not. Not even close. I bought this G4, a Note 5 and an S6 at the same time. Both Sammy's perform much better, and that pains me to say. Ugg.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You could help if you complain to LG about the GPS battery drain problem like me and others did already. Try “battery saving“ on GPS and post your results afterwards. With a decent screen brightness, I always get 4+ hours Screen on time. Not playing games or doing heavy battery draining tasks, though.
AlwaysLimey said:
Is the G4 really this bad? I bought one a few days ago, coming from the G2. I'm waiting for it to settle in but damn.. this thing goes through 3000mah like a fat kid through candy. My G2, now 2 years old lasts twice as long SOT. 6 hours to 3. I just.. I want to love the 4, but it is just too power hungry. Does this beast settle down over time? I have a week more to return it for something else, and on the verge.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is my battery stats all stock
Sent from my LG-H815 using XDA Free mobile app
rowbaggie22 said:
This is my battery stats all stock
Sent from my LG-H815 using XDA Free mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Man oh man, you are having better luck than I am. I might have a faulty unit, not sure, but the battery on this one is like driving an old car with a big V8. When you stomp on the gas you can literally see the gas gauge go down before your eyes. This phone is no different. My G2 was honestly 3X better than the G4. Good luck to you guys, and I mean that sincerely, I do. But I'm returning this thing. For me, at least... it is a pass.
AlwaysLimey said:
Man oh man, you are having better luck than I am. I might have a faulty unit, not sure, but the battery on this one is like driving an old car with a big V8. When you stomp on the gas you can literally see the gas gauge go down before your eyes. This phone is no different. My G2 was honestly 3X better than the G4. Good luck to you guys, and I mean that sincerely, I do. But I'm returning this thing. For me, at least... it is a pass.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I get as good if not better battery life on here than my g2/g3...a few kernel tweaks with kernel adiutor and using greenify to settle hungry apps...i highly recommend keeping g4 as you won't find much better battery without a lower end processor
jamesd1085 said:
I get as good if not better battery life on here than my g2/g3...a few kernel tweaks with kernel adiutor and using greenify to settle hungry apps...i highly recommend keeping g4 as you won't find much better battery without a lower end processor
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your g2 was defective.
jamesd1085 said:
I get as good if not better battery life on here than my g2/g3...a few kernel tweaks with kernel adiutor and using greenify to settle hungry apps...i highly recommend keeping g4 as you won't find much better battery without a lower end processor
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Kind of the point though. I shouldn't have to tweak settings, and root a brand new phone to make it work. I'm not here to bash the G4 (I own it) but it stinks.. Ok.. bashed it lol. Seriously. I have the exact same apps loaded on it as my G2 and if sucks battery like a $2 hooker. The Camera is good, not sure as great as was reported. The speaker was kind of bashed from the reviews but I think it is AWESOME! So loud. But... battery. Nope. I don't care if they give me 40 free ones to swap, I shouldn't have to.
android404 said:
Your g2 was defective.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No...my g2 got 5.5-6 hours screen on with medium use...i have gotten 5.5 to 6.5 on my g4...not defective but actually quite effective...my g3 battery was garbage...g2/g4 are masterpiece
jamesd1085 said:
No...my g2 got 5.5-6 hours screen on with medium use...i have gotten 5.5 to 6.5 on my g4...not defective but actually quite effective...my g3 battery was garbage...g2/g4 are masterpiece
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's kind of what I meant. With my debloated, greenified, taskered, tweaked and optimized g2 I got sot of up to 10 hours, the g4 gives me 4-5. Except from every test ever and every user experience, I think not even LG tries to pretend that the g4 has the slightest chance to reach sot like the g2 did. You're the first person to say so ever, so I assumed the only explanation could be that your sot on the g2 were mediocre.
android404 said:
That's kind of what I meant. With my debloated, greenified, taskered, tweaked and optimized g2 I got sot of up to 10 hours, the g4 gives me 4-5. Except from every test ever and every user experience, I think not even LG tries to pretend that the g4 has the slightest chance to reach sot like the g2 did. You're the first person to say so ever, so I assumed the only explanation could be that your sot on the g2 were mediocre.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you got 10 hours sot with g2 you were heavily underclocked and at that rate wtf is the point...i actually got a much smoother experience and better battery life by raising the min clock on big and little cores as with the stock settings both jumped around ridiculously chewing up battery on simple processes...we shouldn't have to root to fix anything but it's never the case...and getting 21 hours out of my g4 with 6 hours sot with browsing some gaming and lots of youtube vids I'm beyond impressed...h811 has no custom kernel yet so no undervolt is present...this phone will just continue to get better imo...i cant believe the complaints i see about a device that surpasses 95% of anything on the market
AlwaysLimey said:
Is the G4 really this bad? I bought one a few days ago, coming from the G2. I'm waiting for it to settle in but damn.. this thing goes through 3000mah like a fat kid through candy. My G2, now 2 years old lasts twice as long SOT. 6 hours to 3. I just.. I want to love the 4, but it is just too power hungry. Does this beast settle down over time? I have a week more to return it for something else, and on the verge.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you don't use auto, what manual settings for brightness would you normally use on the G4 ? Mention the figure in % or the range.
Are you on wifi or data, mixed ? what share each.
i gather you are on H815.
hey there @android404 mind sharing your g2 setup for those 10 hours and screen brightness also? i'm thinking my g2 might be a lemon i never reach even 6 hours with no heavy usage but i am on stock rom and kernel and i don't even use greenify i have no problem rooting it so please can you tell me your rom kernel clocks and whatnot? thx in advance.
Update. I went for broke and did a factory reset before I was forced to return it. Seems to have made a world of difference. Now it is performing the way I would expect it too. Not as good as the G2, but not draining before my eyes. I think something must have been borked. I'm going to be cautiously optimistic atp, but I have a week more of daily use to play with it. (Might get an extension) but so far, in the last 26 hours it is night and day difference. Whew. Really didn't want to take it back.
One Twelve said:
If you don't use auto, what manual settings for brightness would you normally use on the G4 ? Mention the figure in % or the range.
Are you on wifi or data, mixed ? what share each.
i gather you are on H815.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Normally keep it at 60% and mix between wifi and data but 75% of time it is on wifi. H812.
Yeah. Much better. Been unplugged for 10.5 hours and sot is just over an hour. 84% battery left. Same usage before the reset and it would have already been next to dead. Something was mucked up. I take back what I said before. This is what I expected.
AlwaysLimey said:
Yeah. Much better. Been unplugged for 10.5 hours and sot is just over an hour. 84% battery left. Same usage before the reset and it would have already been next to dead. Something was mucked up. I take back what I said before. This is what I expected.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Glad to hear it...i hate to see people leave for bad experience on a device that has such potential...development is slow atm but once cm gets stabilty and a few more variants have unlock/workaround this device will gain notoriety like the g2 had and the g2 was a beast...was my favorite device to date and i see the same potential here
My battery drains too fast.. and I disable the features and not play games..
I have this only 2 years..
If I have 15%.. it was going down to 0% so fast..
maybe it was caused because of the new updates?
Try and use it until it turns off and then fully charge it while it's still off do that a few times and see if it gets any better. I spotted something online which suggested this and it helped mine a little
DaveG46 said:
Try and use it until it turns off and then fully charge it while it's still off do that a few times and see if it gets any better. I spotted something online which suggested this and it helped mine a little
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm having the same problem. I tried this but the battery life is still not great, like sometimes I charge my S9 twice a day.
jamil aboudaher said:
I'm having the same problem. I tried this but the battery life is still not great, like sometimes I charge my S9 twice a day.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah to be honest mines from April 2018 and I still have to charge it twice a day sometimes but if it goes off at 15% the full charge thing seemed to help. The accu battery app, said my battery around 80% guess there still alot of stuff running in the background not sure what phones expected battery life is but their only covered by 1 year warranty I believe which probably says alot and the s9 exynos is known to be worse than snapdragon chop for battery
These new Samsung devices have the worst battery life around. Every single update it gets worse. This is Samsung forcing you to pay for a new device which will be exactly the same.
dj.shauny.g said:
These new Samsung devices have the worst battery life around. Every single update it gets worse. This is Samsung forcing you to pay for a new device which will be exactly the same.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think so, my friend's note 8 last a lot longer than my S9. Maybe it's an issue with the S9 itself because the S8 had longer battery life since the beginning.
dj.shauny.g said:
These new Samsung devices have the worst battery life around. Every single update it gets worse. This is Samsung forcing you to pay for a new device which will be exactly the same.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Could be worse could have an iPhone [emoji6][emoji23]
jamil aboudaher said:
I don't think so, my friend's note 8 last a lot longer than my S9. Maybe it's an issue with the S9 itself because the S8 had longer battery life since the beginning.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So 2years and still no fix? Come on mate anybody can see what's going on here its no issue with s9. Battery life was amazing out the box, ever since its been terrible.
---------- Post added at 04:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:55 PM ----------
jamil aboudaher said:
I don't think so, my friend's note 8 last a lot longer than my S9. Maybe it's an issue with the S9 itself because the S8 had longer battery life since the beginning.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
DaveG46 said:
Could be worse could have an iPhone [emoji6][emoji23]
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha i will be going iphone next time around, don't think i will ever purchase a samsung again after this experience. At least we can expect plenty of updates with iphone
dj.shauny.g said:
So 2years and still no fix? Come on mate anybody can see what's going on here its no issue with s9. Battery life was amazing out the box, ever since its been terrible.
---------- Post added at 04:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:55 PM ----------
Haha i will be going iphone next time around, don't think i will ever purchase a samsung again after this experience. At least we can expect plenty of updates with iphone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you're aware, Samsung flagships get 2 years of major updates, one year of monthly security updates and one year for quarterly security updates, which equals 4 years of updates, and if you add the first year before receiving the first major update, it's 5, similar to iPhones, and since iOS doesn't bring a lot of new things with their updates, it's basically the same thing.
I'm having so much fun using my S9 and I never got bored even after 2 years of use, and now I'm waiting for OneUI2.1 ? It's true that battery life isn't great but my friend's iPhone X is worse than my S9, so it's a normal thing after 2 years of use, at least for 2017/2018 flagships.
saarxee said:
My battery drains too fast.. and I disable the features and not play games..
I have this only 2 years..
If I have 15%.. it was going down to 0% so fast..
maybe it was caused because of the new updates?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Come on mate, I also have my s9 from launch, do you seriously think that 3000 mAh is still at 100% capacity? Clue, it's not. After so many long charge cycles, I'd say it's only around 70-75%, equivalent to 2100-2250mAh. Atleast you still got a fast charger that comes with the phone. I'd rather not complain considering the screen is beautiful.
kyooohei08 said:
Come on mate, I also have my s9 from launch, do you seriously think that 3000 mAh is still at 100% capacity? Clue, it's not. After so many long charge cycles, I'd say it's only around 70-75%, equivalent to 2100-2250mAh. Atleast you still got a fast charger that comes with the phone. I'd rather not complain considering the screen is beautiful.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My battery about 80% according to the accu app about 28 months. Does have screen burn across the bottom of the screen though [emoji24] but I'm not giving up on it yet [emoji1787][emoji1787]
This is totally a software failure.
I am a beta tester and when the first one came out for android 10 the battery life was like when i first had the phone. Lasted all day long. As they rolled out more and more beta updates it got worse again.
This had been one of the worst devices for battery life ever since they updated it.
Hello everyone. I've just bought a brand new Galaxy S9 few days ago. My first impression is awesome. The device is lightning fast despite having 2-year-old hardware. I am totally amazed how Android evolved over the years. Coming from a Galaxy S7, I am more than satisfied with my new phone. However, battery life is becoming a concern for me, as I get more and more familiar with the device. The problem is, phone only lasts half day, at most. I can only get 2-2,5 hours of SOT which is unacceptable for me. I upgraded from my S7 primarily for better battery life. I use most of the smart features like AOD, High Accuracy Location, Edge Notifications, 2K resolution etc. and no power saving mode. Can someone explain how can I increase my battery life without sacrificing all these features?
hulhulsulsul said:
Hello everyone. I've just bought a brand new Galaxy S9 few days ago. My first impression is awesome. The device is lightning fast despite having 2-year-old hardware. I am totally amazed how Android evolved over the years. Coming from a Galaxy S7, I am more than satisfied with my new phone. However, battery life is becoming a concern for me, as I get more and more familiar with the device. The problem is, phone only lasts half day, at most. I can only get 2-2,5 hours of SOT which is unacceptable for me. I upgraded from my S7 primarily for better battery life. I use most of the smart features like AOD, High Accuracy Location, Edge Notifications, 2K resolution etc. and no power saving mode. Can someone explain how can I increase my battery life without sacrificing all these features?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Was it new sealed?
Yeah, brand new dual sim exynos version.
Its down to the software i am totally convinced.
Samsung needs to fix this urgently. It has been going on for at least 2 years and still no fix.
My s9+ drains super fast within minutes once it reaches ~25%. And the "best": if I connect the charger then, it wont charge the battery, but drains even faster to 0%!!! I need to restart the phone.
Tried a full wipe, but no changes!
Samsung needs to read this topic and sort out this mess.
S9 had terrible battery from from the launch. It's the only reason why I regret buying the phone. At least I adapted to terrible battery and learned how to use my phone less so it can survive full day of battery life.
2.5-3.5 screen on time with light tasks only and constant battery saving measures is terrible in my opinion.
Then I bought Galaxy Watch and crippled my battery even more when it connects via bluetooth, it drains so fast it became countdown timer
Tomogitarist said:
S9 had terrible from the launch. It's the only reason why I regret buying the phone. At least I adapted to terrible battery and learned how to use my phone less so it can survive full day of battery life.
2.5-3.5 screen on time with light tasks only and constant battery saving measures is terrible in my opinion.
Then I bought Galaxy Watch and crippled my battery even more when it connects via bluetooth, it drains so fast it became countdown timer
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's what I was trying to say.
When I first got my S9 I was getting only 4 hours of screen on time while my friend was able to get 6-7 hours on her S8 and she was using it for 1 year at the time. Also every tech website mentioned that the S9 was noticeably worse than the S8 when it comes to battery life.
I got used to it though and I'm keeping my S9 until it stops receiving updates at all.
Purchase a note 10 plus but before I do bit skeptical on battery. Coming from a oneplus device which I have always used from 6 till 8 battery on them devices are excellent. Can get easily 2 days of battery with 7 - 8 sot
And since I am in Europe will get the exynos version.
Battery life is just bad for exynos variants. Period.
depending on your usage one day easily, two would be a challenge
raul6 said:
depending on your usage one day easily, two would be a challenge
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How do you get 1 day? I always have to carry my power bank!
In Europa you should get UK version 976b with SnapDragon ! Nice.
About battery, my phone could reach 2 days, but i'm working & not much time to play with the phone.
Or after a day (in the evening) mine almost never got under 50% battery.
Subham jyoti said:
How do you get 1 day? I always have to carry my power bank!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Probably not good for the Li battery; the pack holds the internal battery to high V+ levels for more prolonged periods. LI's don't like that.
I cycle mine from roughly 40-80% generally 44-64% ie a 20% charge which yields over 2 hours of Brave browser usage, or longer if watching vids.
I charge 3-4x @day, with the 25 w brick a 20% charge takes 10 minutes* for a charge in the 45-80 range.
Li's loved to be used like this...
Idle current on homescreen with no apps running should be at 60-400 ma with about an average of 140 ma drain max.
Find the hogs eating the battery and weed them out! I'm running Pie with all power management disabled except it's set to the display mode "Optimized" in Device Manager with only Fast Charge toggled. Animations disabled and a lot of package blocked bloatware plus all cloud apps including Google Transport.
*that's not long... break time.
For today, my Note 10+ is currently sitting at 4hr 15min of screen on time and I have 59% battery remaining. That's on WiFi, which helps, but the Snapdragon version is a beast for battery life.
Compared to my Note 20 Ultra, I'm getting pribably 30% more battery life out of the Note 10+
Bit more than 7h SOT with 20% remaining on 976b. On wifi mostly, only about half hour of gaming.
Not bad in my opinion. Two days could be doable with bit more saving.
Subham jyoti said:
Battery life is just bad for exynos variants. Period.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
, No, it is not, and by the way you talk, you most surely do not own a 975F, I do have a note10+ exynos variant, and the battery life is good, good enough as expected, you just repeat the stories about the s20, note20 and which are significative, in the case of the 10 series, the differences are not that big
winol said:
, No, it is not, and by the way you talk, you most surely do not own a 975F, I do have a note10+ exynos variant, and the battery life is good, good enough as expected, you just repeat the stories about the s20, note20 and which are significative, in the case of the 10 series, the differences are not that big
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, it is bad. I precisely have the exynos F model and it's just getting worse after every update. Exynos crap is just utterly disappointing. It's a very good phone with horrible battery management. Just have a look at reddit and you'll find many frustrated consumers like me!!
Then, if it is true that you "have" an exynos 975F, most surely it is a defective unit, or a copycat, or whatever, mine is already one year old and performs as day one, excellent battery endurance, no overhating, zero lag, no burn in, etc, exactly as it should be , now if your gripe is that"snapdragons are better, blah, blah, blah" that is another matter, long fiscussed months ago, and really inconsequential at this time
winol said:
Then, if it is true that you "have" an exynos 975F, most surely it is a defective unit, or a copycat, or whatever, mine is already one year old and performs as day one, excellent battery endurance, no overhating, zero lag, no burn in, etc, exactly as it should be , now if your gripe is that"snapdragons are better, blah, blah, blah" that is another matter, long fiscussed months ago, and really inconsequential at this time
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's an original, "non defective" unit. So then maybe you're lucky or got a special unit. I'm not comparing it with snapdragon because frankly you can't compare a rolls to a merc
But yeah I'm just one of the many many frustrated users.
(My previous note 3 was a battery beast! )
Well, good luck next time, as it is clear you need it
winol said:
Well, good luck next time, as it is clear you need it
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah thanks . Me and hundreds and thousands of more exynos users like me
Exactly, exactly so for you, unfortunate people, that's it
Haha ???
Subham jyoti said:
How do you get 1 day? I always have to carry my power bank!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Subham jyoti said:
Yes, it is bad. I precisely have the exynos F model and it's just getting worse after every update. Exynos crap is just utterly disappointing. It's a very good phone with horrible battery management. Just have a look at reddit and you'll find many frustrated consumers like me!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hard reset if you haven't already.
Time for a fresh OS load!
(It's possible the firmware got corrupted during one of the updates and the whole mess needs reflashed.)
Get PD MDM package blocker and disable some of the obvious offenders when you're not using them.
Disable Samsung Device Manager and don't toggle on anything except the main power management/display resolution to optimize and on the 3 button menu toggle on fast charge, then disable it. Toggle it on as needed. Let Android manage the power it's self. Disable all 3rd party power management... they will create conflicts that cause excessive polling.
You'll need to play with it to work out what's sucking the battery down on your particular setup. My idle current right now is 158 ma if I'm not using the keypad in the browser.
Monitor current drain and track down what's driving up cpu usage.
On my 3rd reload and spent a lot of time optimizing this Snapdragon variant, it's runs great... now.
More then once it was a hot running, battery draining hog.
The Exynos is the same form factor so it's similar in performance potential as the Snapdragon.
If it was a bomb the sales would reflect it by now.
blackhawk said:
Hard reset if you haven't already.
Time for a fresh OS load!
(It's possible the firmware got corrupted during one of the updates and the whole mess needs reflashed.)
Get PD MDM package blocker and disable some of the obvious offenders when you're not using them.
Disable Samsung Device Manager and don't toggle on anything except the main power management/display resolution to optimize and on the 3 button menu toggle on fast charge, then disable it. Toggle it on as needed. Let Android manage the power it's self. Disable all 3rd party power management... they will create conflicts that cause excessive polling.
You'll need to play with it to work out what's sucking the battery down on your particular setup. My idle current right now is 158 ma if I'm not using the keypad in the browser.
Monitor current drain and track down what's driving up cpu usage.
On my 3rd reload and spent a lot of time optimizing this Snapdragon variant, it's runs great... now.
More then once it was a hot running, battery draining hog.
The Exynos is the same form factor so it's similar in performance potential as the Snapdragon.
If it was a bomb the sales would reflect it by now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the input. Will give it a shot.
Gonna try to get hold of a snapdragon version . i am in UK so any tips on where to get one
Well if you have the resources go for it. Try ebay. However, you won't get warranty. But trust me exynos is garbage!
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
if battery is the only concern. s21. or better yet. another brand
Nil96 said:
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've not been into Samsung for years, as I don't like their software and often find their hardware substandard for the price. MIUI/Xiaomi offers a choice between modern status bar/notifications, modern app recents and improves upon stock Android without bloating it up.
Three hottest phones right now
Xiaomi Poco F3
Realme GT Neo 3
Xiaomi Redmi K50/K50 Pro (2k display)
I'm usually a snapdragon fan, but this snapdragon gen 1 has overheating and high power consumption issues.
had s21 and it had better battery life
I've got the 8 Gen 1 S22 and it's sufficient to say it's a terrible phone. It overheats, it gets stuttery most of the time probably because it's getting throttled, and the battery is bad. From 100 to 50% it's bad and from 50% and below it's terrible because it drains faster. And it's even worse when the phone runs hot, which is pretty much gonna be the norm in a hot summer environment. Then there's the last 5% which is non-existent because it's basically like a countdown in seconds from 5 to 0%. In other words, if your phone hit 5% it's gonna turn off in a matter of seconds if you don't plug it in ASAP.
So the math is kind of like this and note that I'm gonna talk about a period of 24h of use, both active and idle:
- you've got a battery of 3590mAh, the real capacity. I'm gonna cut that 5% right now because that simply doesn't exist. That means 180mA, which leaves you with just 3410mAh.
- 25-30% is the idle drain, and it's gonna stay in this range no matter what you're gonna try to do. Believe me, I tried EVRYTHING, even turning off cores and so on. The damn thing finds a way to drain battery with the screen off somehow.
- you're now left with only 65% of actually battery for SOT. That translates into ~2216mAh. That is all you have from a full charge.
- now the active drain is gonna be ~20%/h no matter what any battery monitor app tells you. That is 682mA/h.
*** This is all with normal use, which includes more than just watching videos, scenario in which the lack of touch events + the screen on will count towards that SOT recording and of course that's gonna increase the SOT. But that's kind of like fake SOT. When you start swiping up and down within apps, switching between them, browsing the web, which all means that you're getting the CPU to go from a range of frequencies, is when the actual real usage happens, so that's the true SOT of a phone.***
So, to get back to the math part, you're gonna get 3h15m. You're gonna watch some videos, I don't doubt that and that's gonna reduce that 20%/h to something lower, as long as there are no touch events. That's gonna get you over 3h30m. If you're watching a lot of YouTube and such, you can hit 4h SOT. But the average SOT for this phone is 3.5h.
That is terrible battery life for a phone in 2022. Samsung's node for the 8 Gen 1 was a complete fail and that is why Qualcomm went back to TSMC for the 8 Gen 1 Plus, and the efficiency gains for just a refresh of the same CPU, are insane. We're talking about 30% more efficiency. Insane! The 8 Gen 1 is pathetic and it's rarely gonna run the way it was meant to because it can't due to the heat it constantly produces. Paired with the small S22, there's not enough phone to dissipate that heat more efficiently, and therefore you're left with a choked out "beast". I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that if I choke out The Rock and make him run with me on his back, he's not gonna perform very well, no matter how buff he is.
The bigger brother though, the S22+ is not gonna have the same issues. There's more material to dissipate the heat more efficiently and there's also a considerably larger battery inside. Not a lot bigger but big enough. You've got the same screen so the power consumption is gonna be different. Now all those percentages I mentioned above are gonna be based on the bigger battery. The idle drain is gonna stay the same but instead of 30%, that value would be ~24%. If that 5% issue is the same, you're left with ~3100mAh for SOT. The active drain would then be 16%/h. If my math is correct, with some room for error, you'd be able to get 4h40m with the same usage I initially mentioned for the smaller phone. With those reduced touch event during the videos, you'd be able to get over 5h out of it on a 24h charge. And if that 5% issue is not present, you've got ~200 more mA which would give roughly 20 more minutes over 5h, for SOT. Not that bad.
That's why I regret getting the small phone. Not as much as getting rid of the 13Pro I used before it, which offered me the best battery life I've ever had in a phone, but I still regret it.
In conclusion, you either go big in the Android world, or suffer. Or you can get the S21 and have better battery life than the S22. Your choice.
did you get latest June updates installed on it? I have already returned my galaxy s22 but another person who i know who was using his s22 on power save mode turned off after the latest update. He said it helped a lot?
S8_guy said:
did you get latest June updates installed on it? I have already returned my galaxy s22 but another person who i know who was using his s22 on power save mode turned off after the latest update. He said it helped a lot?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't be fooled by any claims. The battery is simply too small to have noticeable gains. One moment you think it's doing great and suddenly the table turns. For instance you'd think 2h50m SOT at the 50% mark is great and you'll get at least another 2.5h out of it considering how much battery you still have, but then later that day you see that you just hit 3.5h SOT and the battery is now at 15%. So the stats are very tweaked to mislead you and not show the real SOT. It's kind of what Apple does with the percentage that's over 90% where the battery drops very slowly but then it starts to get faster.
With Power Saver mode at all times, Google's services freak out a lot more frequent because they can't send and receive data at any time without interruptions. That results in even higher idle drain. You virtually gain no additional battery life, or something small that you can barely call gains.
So you gotta use the phone as is, without any interventions this way allowing it to perform anything it needs to do in the background. After getting mine to stock, I've been getting that 3.5, 4h SOT which is pretty consistent right now. I don't look at the drain or how much per hour gets wasted, etc. I just use it as a regular folk who doesn't know about these more in depth stats. This way I only got used to charging it a certain way and not caring about the rest. If by any chance I notice a higher drain than usual, again, I don't investigate because I know it'll only get me depressed or something. I just reboot the phone and thing settle for a while.
It's the best way to use this terrible phone. You were very inspired when you decided to return it. Literally ANYTHING on the market is better than this thing.
dragos281993 said:
Don't be fooled by any claims. The battery is simply too small to have noticeable gains. One moment you think it's doing great and suddenly the table turns. For instance you'd think 2h50m SOT at the 50% mark is great and you'll get at least another 2.5h out of it considering how much battery you still have, but then later that day you see that you just hit 3.5h SOT and the battery is now at 15%. So the stats are very tweaked to mislead you and not show the real SOT. It's kind of what Apple does with the percentage that's over 90% where the battery drops very slowly but then it starts to get faster.
With Power Saver mode at all times, Google's services freak out a lot more frequent because they can't send and receive data at any time without interruptions. That results in even higher idle drain. You virtually gain no additional battery life, or something small that you can barely call gains.
So you gotta use the phone as is, without any interventions this way allowing it to perform anything it needs to do in the background. After getting mine to stock, I've been getting that 3.5, 4h SOT which is pretty consistent right now. I don't look at the drain or how much per hour gets wasted, etc. I just use it as a regular folk who doesn't know about these more in depth stats. This way I only got used to charging it a certain way and not caring about the rest. If by any chance I notice a higher drain than usual, again, I don't investigate because I know it'll only get me depressed or something. I just reboot the phone and thing settle for a while.
It's the best way to use this terrible phone. You were very inspired when you decided to return it. Literally ANYTHING on the market is better than this thing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am thinking about switching over to iphone. My existing galaxy s8 is old. I really like to iphone 13 mini, but not sure about its battery life. I guess it has a 14 day return period as well.
If that doesn't do it, then i might go for the regular iphone 13.
S8_guy said:
I am thinking about switching over to iphone. My existing galaxy s8 is old. I really like to iphone 13 mini, but not sure about its battery life. I guess it has a 14 day return period as well.
If that doesn't do it, then i might go for the regular iphone 13.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is how it goes. Small Android devices will NEVER give you great battery life, and I'm talking about the likes of S22 and such in terms of size and also with the title of flagship device. You just can't have both. I learn it the hard way, which is wasting money on devices for the past 3 years to reach this conclusion.
So if you want a powerful Android device with more than good battery life, you gotta go big. No way around it. If someone claims that they're getting great SOT on their small Android phone, that's because they're very light users, mostly watching videos. That means no touch events and that translates into very few frequency rampups and that in its turn means lower CPU usage that gives you longer SOT, but that's not representative of the regular usage which involves a lot more than that.
Only Apple offers great battery life in a smaller form factor and that's mainly because it's a hell of a lot easier job to optimize the software for a handful of devices which have the most important pieces of hardware inside built inhouse. It's just the absolute best situation for them.
However, going for the smallest phone would be a mistake. You'd get decent battery life for that size but it's still bad. The regular 13 is the best choice if you still want a small phone. I'd personally get the 13 Pro which has even better battery life than the regular variant plus the 120Hz screen. And let me tell you, the level of smoothness you get from 120Hz iOS is on a whole another level than on 120Hz Android. iOS has a lot less frequent frame drops, and by that I mean they're almost non existent. On Android, framedrops are everywhere and anywhere, no matter how "buttery smooth" people claim it is. It's not. The frame dips, the so called stutters, are noticeable and they occur most of the time no matter the app, when you scroll up and down. It's always been there.
But yeah, get an iPhone and you'll see what I'm talking about. After selling my 13 Pro to go back on Android because I got bored of iOS, I regretted it when I saw the battery life on my S22, not to mention overheating and overall poor performance because of that.
Something else to consider is how much better iPhones hold their value compared to Android phones. I can get a brand new S22 for $570 from the trading market in my country. I paid $1040 for my current crap of a phone. It's nearly half the price now. At the same time, I can buy a brand new 13 Pro from the same place for $1025, the cheapest one. I paid $1250 for mine when I got it last year in October. That's just $225 value lost in 8 months. The S22's price dropped to nearly half in just 3 months. It's just insane.
So get a 13 or 13 Pro, or if you can wait a little longer, get a 14. I'm getting the 14 Pro Max, without thinking twice. It's a brick but I don't want to have to worry about battery life ever again, to force close apps and services and constantly check on the background activity so I can try to save some juice.
My POV though. Android has always been letting me down
My galaxy s8 used to last two full days when i got it new. Nowadays, it last me a full day with regular use, keep in mind that i put a new battery in it and did not update to the latest firmware. It has only two year of update and it killed the battery by one day.
Those updates age the phone, doesn't matter which OS it is ( android or ios). I am going to do a trial on the 13 mini, and if that doesn't work i am going to go for the iphone 14 pro ( not the max). the pro models will ditch the notch as well. It would be one hell of an upgrade from my s8.
Not sure, why you didn't return your galaxy s22 during the trial period?
S8_guy said:
My galaxy s8 used to last two full days when i got it new. Nowadays, it last me a full day with regular use, keep in mind that i put a new battery in it and did not update to the latest firmware. It has only two year of update and it killed the battery by one day.
Those updates age the phone, doesn't matter which OS it is ( android or ios). I am going to do a trial on the 13 mini, and if that doesn't work i am going to go for the iphone 14 pro ( not the max). the pro models will ditch the notch as well. It would be one hell of an upgrade from my s8.
Not sure, why you didn't return your galaxy s22 during the trial period?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
When I ordered this thing, I also put in the cart a white Samsung bumper case too. When I received the package, I unboxed the phone and the case, put the phone in it then booted up the device. It was a pretty tight fit. After 4 days I decided that nope, I'm not keeping this pathetic thing. So I already had a few tabs open with some guys selling their Pixel 5 phones. I just needed to choose one.
So I take out the S22 out of the case and surprise! Micro scratches all around the frame from when I inserted the phone in the case. Because the damn case is made of a hard material and the plastic inside wasn't completely smooth at the edge, all the tiny imperfections left a mark on the supposedly military grade aluminium the frame is made of, when I inserted it in it. Marketing at its finest. I then emailed the store I ordered the phone from and they asked the department in charge how it would go from there if I returned the phone in that condition. They tagged it as "non-returnable" because it's not in the same condition and cannot be sold as new anymore. OR they could deduce a tax that consists of replacing the frame with a new original one. That also includes the display and the whole restoration of the device would mean -400 euros from the initial price. Just from those micro scratches around the frame.
So that's why I'm now stuck with this thing. I even took it out of the case, removed the screen protector and I'm using it naked. It's all scuffed and scratched from just using it like that, without dropping it or anything. The durability of this thing is absolutely pathetic, a complete joke.
dragos281993 said:
When I ordered this thing, I also put in the cart a white Samsung bumper case too. When I received the package, I unboxed the phone and the case, put the phone in it then booted up the device. It was a pretty tight fit. After 4 days I decided that nope, I'm not keeping this pathetic thing. So I already had a few tabs open with some guys selling their Pixel 5 phones. I just needed to choose one.
So I take out the S22 out of the case and surprise! Micro scratches all around the frame from when I inserted the phone in the case. Because the damn case is made of a hard material and the plastic inside wasn't completely smooth at the edge, all the tiny imperfections left a mark on the supposedly military grade aluminium the frame is made of, when I inserted it in it. Marketing at its finest. I then emailed the store I ordered the phone from and they asked the department in charge how it would go from there if I returned the phone in that condition. They tagged it as "non-returnable" because it's not in the same condition and cannot be sold as new anymore. OR they could deduce a tax that consists of replacing the frame with a new original one. That also includes the display and the whole restoration of the device would mean -400 euros from the initial price. Just from those micro scratches around the frame.
So that's why I'm now stuck with this thing. I even took it out of the case, removed the screen protector and I'm using it naked. It's all scuffed and scratched from just using it like that, without dropping it or anything. The durability of this thing is absolutely pathetic, a complete joke.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Absolute tragedy! Sounds like your just stuck with this phone for sometime or your other choice is to sell for a loss in the used market.
On a side note, I ordered a case and screen protector online for the galaxy s22. It arrived a month after i returned the phone. I lost about $15 on it. I was too cheap to order it from samsung directly.
The regular iphone 13 looks like the phone to get for me, I guess i will wait for iphone 14 to launch and buy the iphone 13 on a discount.
S8_guy said:
Absolute tragedy! Sounds like your just stuck with this phone for sometime or your other choice is to sell for a loss in the used market.
The regular iphone 13 looks like the phone to get for me, I guess i will wait for iphone 14 to launch and buy the iphone 13 on a discount.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good idea. The regular 14 I believe the rumours say will look identical to the 13 too.
dragos281993 said:
Good idea. The regular 14 I believe the rumours say will look identical to the 13 too.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol...also has the same processor. Not sure, what would the upgrade really be.
Nil96 said:
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think the the battery will be that much of an issue for S22 because the phone itself is more efficient then the S21. So technically you should get more out of the smaller battery.
S20 or S20 Ultra will be a better option then S22.
I bought the S22 only because my old phone died and the S22 was on sale and in stock.
Other wise I would have bought the S20.
The S22 series are new with a lot more great specs so you can get any S22 series model!
Hello, I got my wife S22 5g, I read about the problems of the first wave from the factory recently, are there still these problems, battery lasts a little, phone frozen, no gps signal, etc.?
She says her battery lasts a day and a bit.
For example, last night he was at work, the phone was removed from charging at 18:00 and today at 09:00 it still has 66%, since he was at work he used the internet a little, so after about 16 hours it has 66 %.
Can I still return it, she says she's happy, should I keep it or return it?
I could wait for s23 but it will be expensive anyway and the first wave will probably be problematic again.
So is it ok now s22 or not?
I have updated to the latest android.
It's OK. You should learn to optimize the performance of Galaxy, which has too many services running. Start by disabling the android update service, as it consumes a lot of power. Stay on the same firmware version until you become proficient and understand how to set up system apps. Don't ask just read.
focsaciprian said:
Hello, I got my wife S22 5g, I read about the problems of the first wave from the factory recently, are there still these problems, battery lasts a little, phone frozen, no gps signal, etc.?
She says her battery lasts a day and a bit.
For example, last night he was at work, the phone was removed from charging at 18:00 and today at 09:00 it still has 66%, since he was at work he used the internet a little, so after about 16 hours it has 66 %.
Can I still return it, she says she's happy, should I keep it or return it?
I could wait for s23 but it will be expensive anyway and the first wave will probably be problematic again.
So is it ok now s22 or not?
I have updated to the latest android.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm not happy with my S22. I had a s9+ and the screen separated from the frame so I purchased the S22 because of the trade in value of my S9+. Big mistake. I could have purchased another S9+ for less and it was much better than the S22. Oh well live and learn. Just my opinion.
Other than the android update are there any other recomendations to increase battery life? Also I'd really love to root this phone but it's a US variant.
I disable everything I don't use to try to keep down the battery usage. I'd love to root mine too but I purchased it before I knew the US version can't be rooted. Bummer.
Absolutely not. Don't even bother. In this price range there are so many phones with the exact same or better performance but with miles better battery life. This phone only lasts a day as long as you don't use it at all and let it drain idle.
blackrubi said:
Absolutely not. Don't even bother. In this price range there are so many phones with the exact same or better performance but with miles better battery life. This phone only lasts a day as long as you don't use it at all and let it drain idle.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are they size of S22 though?
k3lcior said:
Are they size of S22 though?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Size becomes irrelevant when:
a. you have to use a massive battery case
b. you attach a magsafe qi charger that's twice as thick as the phone itself
c. have cables dangling while trying to charge you phone from a non-wireless powerbank
all this to make sure your battery won't die in the middle of the day during moderate use even with having gone through the S22 optimization thread. I knew about the battery issues before buying it as I didn't expect it to be as bad as people were complaining, but they were right and now I'm stuck with it.
I can not return my S22 (base, Exynos), but personally I would glady take the Pixel 7 (same performance, better battery) or Iphone SE 2022 (same battery, miles better performance) or even the Iphone 12 mini. I will be taking route b. and try to find a wireless magsafe powerbank that is as thin as possible and order one of those magsafe rings that I can attach.
ze7zez said:
It's OK. You should learn to optimize the performance of Galaxy, which has too many services running. Start by disabling the android update service, as it consumes a lot of power. Stay on the same firmware version until you become proficient and understand how to set up system apps. Don't ask just read.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
package name of android update service?