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[Q] Need a help on a new phone.

Hi Guys!
I'm currently looking for a new phone. I can only buy midrange phones atm and since the G4 and S6 are released, I expect both of their predecessor's price will go lower. Apparently, I'm torn between the previous flagships, G3 and S5, which is still of course still capable now. I really like the G3 over the s5 but I am bothered by the battery life that most people say is bad. I mostly need the phone to school at around 12 hrs off the charger. At school I usually just text and call a few times, take pictures and notes, occasional time wasting games on breaks and also I listen to music on trips to and from school [approx 1.5 hrs of music]. My question is, will the G3's battery be capable of that amount of usage? Or will I benefit on the S5 on this? Thanks in Advance!

Captain Mark said:
Hi Guys!
I'm currently looking for a new phone. I can only buy midrange phones atm and since the G4 and S6 are released, I expect both of their predecessor's price will go lower. Apparently, I'm torn between the previous flagships, G3 and S5, which is still of course still capable now. I really like the G3 over the s5 but I am bothered by the battery life that most people say is bad. I mostly need the phone to school at around 12 hrs off the charger. At school I usually just text and call a few times, take pictures and notes, occasional time wasting games on breaks and also I listen to music on trips to and from school [approx 1.5 hrs of music]. My question is, will the G3's battery be capable of that amount of usage? Or will I benefit on the S5 on this? Thanks in Advance!
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That's very similar to my daily usage pattern and my G3 never died on me. You can expect between 4-5h of screen on time. It really depends on your signal, if you live in a poor signal area, any phone will take a hit in battery life.
The majority of people who complain about G3's battery life came from a G2 or similar phones, and they're used to getting 6+ h of screen on time. For them, it was a downgrade in the battery department.

rayiskon said:
That's very similar to my daily usage pattern and my G3 never died on me. You can expect between 4-5h of screen on time. It really depends on your signal, if you live in a poor signal area, any phone will take a hit in battery life.
The majority of people who complain about G3's battery life came from a G2 or similar phones, and they're used to getting 6+ h of screen on time. For them, it was a downgrade in the battery department.
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Now I'm starting to get really excited to get this phone more, well, another question, are there any major gripes on this phone? Also coming from an old phone with a really mediocre battery life (Xperia Sola), I think the battery life of this is definitely enough. Based on what I read before, It's mostly the battery, but as you said, based on my usage, I would get throughout the day easily, so the batteries are crossed out. Any other major thing (flaw?) you would say?

Captain Mark said:
Now I'm starting to get really excited to get this phone more, well, another question, are there any major gripes on this phone? Also coming from an old phone with a really mediocre battery life (Xperia Sola), I think the battery life of this is definitely enough. Based on what I read before, It's mostly the battery, but as you said, based on my usage, I would get throughout the day easily, so the batteries are crossed out. Any other major thing (flaw?) you would say?
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It's all relevant, some things that annoy some people might not be an issue for others, and vice versa.
For me, there are 2 things i don't like about the G3, but they are not that big of a deal, i can live with them. The first is i would've liked if the display can get a bit brighter (especially on very sunny days). The second, coming from the last 4 generations of nexus devices, i miss the software fluidity of stock android, despite that i appreciate some of the feature additions LG has thrown in their "skin".
All in all, i would take the G3 over the Galaxy S5 anytime.

Ok, I went to a local LG store in my place and played on the LG G3 a bit. The G4 was there, and I'm drooling over it, the leather back was so nice. Ok ok back to my question. After using it for a few minutes, I noticed the brightness to be low and I checked it, it was at 90%. My problem is as I am trying to increase it, there's a warning shown that the temp was high so I can't increase it more. My question is, does it happen often? The overheating?

As an LG G 3 power user I can confirm that the phone will indeed heat up from time to time, however, the phone you played with was most likely plugged in to a charger from what I can read.
Any phone that's being charged up and used at the same time will get hot, it simply puts more strain on the battery.
You should be able to get the 12 hours you need out of your device on a full charge, especially with the power save g to that come with it, however don't expect do go a full day (24hrs) without it having to hit the cradle.
I hope this helps.
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Harendotos said:
As an LG G 3 power user I can confirm that the phone will indeed heat up from time to time, however, the phone you played with was most likely plugged in to a charger from what I can read.
Any phone that's being charged up and used at the same time will get hot, it simply puts more strain on the battery.
You should be able to get the 12 hours you need out of your device on a full charge, especially with the power save g to that come with it, however don't expect do go a full day (24hrs) without it having to hit the cradle.
I hope this helps.
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Indeed it was plugged. So I guess it is indeed because of that. It's ok for me if I need to charge it everyday, as long as it can last for 12 hrs. Thanks!

Captain Mark said:
Indeed it was plugged. So I guess it is indeed because of that. It's ok for me if I need to charge it everyday, as long as it can last for 12 hrs. Thanks!
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You can expect much much much better battery life with G3 or S5 than your soon-to-be-ex-phone Xperia Sola.
Both G3 and S5 almost the same battery life, even though G3 is better in standby time.
If you buy G3, immediately update it to latest version. Your phone will not overheat ever, like mine never did
Only hard gaming for a 1hr+ time can make it overheat.

Well...Depends. I don't think it'll last for 12 hours. You get 5hours of SOT only on the lowest brightness setting, higher the brightness lower the SOT. For me in school it lasts for 8 hours max, then gotta charge it. Also it's true I'm using it most of the time for 4G so that may be why.

Tomogitarist said:
You can expect much much much better battery life with G3 or S5 than your soon-to-be-ex-phone Xperia Sola.
Both G3 and S5 almost the same battery life, even though G3 is better in standby time.
If you buy G3, immediately update it to latest version. Your phone will not overheat ever, like mine never did
Only hard gaming for a 1hr+ time can make it overheat.
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I really think it's battery life would be enough, as what you all said, also since I can manage to use my sola for that amount of time which has a ridiculously short battery life. Hahaha! XD. Also thanks for the info! I'll definitely update it, to get a taste of the lollipop's sweetness.

MasterQo said:
Well...Depends. I don't think it'll last for 12 hours. You get 5hours of SOT only on the lowest brightness setting, higher the brightness lower the SOT. For me in school it lasts for 8 hours max, then gotta charge it. Also it's true I'm using it most of the time for 4G so that may be why.
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I only use 3g (H+ is enough for me), so definitely/ probably I can get it pass that 12 hr mark. Signal was a bit of a problem though at school, since the school is near a jail, they seem to have network jammers installed. Weird.

How good is the nexus 5x?

I am looking to get a new phone and for a while I've been using a windows phone. The Lumia 640(terrible) to be exact. I then got a galaxy s3 from my friend and forgot just how awesome android is. I was looking to get the s5 but then the nexus 5x caught my eye. Now I know the nexus 5x is mid range but with the newer snapdragon 808 chip and the hexacore processor does it beat the s5 in performance? Both phones have only 2GB of ram and although the s5 does have a higher clock speed i cant help but think the nexus could out perfom it. Has anyone had experience with the two phones? I don't know what I should do.

I would say performance will be similar. Do you care about getting official updates? GS5 is EOL, Nexus 5x is good till Sept of next year.

JJHunterx said:
I would say performance will be similar. Do you care about getting official updates? GS5 is EOL, Nexus 5x is good till Sept of next year.
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I do like the fact that the 5x receives updates faster and runs on stock android. If the performance should be similar than I might go with the 5x because of how fast it charges and because it also has the fingerprint scanner. I know the s5 has a scanner but i don't like how you have to swipe

JJHunterx said:
I would say performance will be similar. Do you care about getting official updates? GS5 is EOL, Nexus 5x is good till Sept of next year.
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Sigh, that's only like 15 more months of support/updates. I haven't been in this community long enough to know if devs for ROMs continue to take the latest Android source code and make builds for unsupported devices?

herBosaurus said:
Sigh, that's only like 15 more months of support/updates. I haven't been in this community long enough to know if devs for ROMs continue to take the latest Android source code and make builds for unsupported devices?
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They do, just check the Nexus 4 forums, that phone was released almost 4 years ago and has multiple Android 6 ROMs available. Even the Galaxy Nexus, released in November 2011, has a couple available.

Jacquestrapp said:
They do, just check the Nexus 4 forums, that phone was released almost 4 years ago and has multiple Android 6 ROMs available. Even the Galaxy Nexus, released in November 2011, has a couple available.
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even my old galaxy S1 is running MM thanks to xda

Broken303 said:
even my old galaxy S1 is running MM thanks to xda
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That's crazy!!

I own these two phones right now. nexus 5X is only better for camera and stock software experience and fingerprint scanner ....rest everything is better in s5( i.e display,battery, sound/speaker, waterproofing, storage options, camera is not bad either but slow focus) i dont see any difference in real life between snapdragon 801 or 808..Funny thing is i can charge s5 much faster with s6 charger as compare to charging speed of nexus 5x with type c cable

herBosaurus said:
Sigh, that's only like 15 more months of support/updates. I haven't been in this community long enough to know if devs for ROMs continue to take the latest Android source code and make builds for unsupported devices?
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that's the MINIMUM. Nexus 5 got Android M direct from Google and it was past it's EOL date

Does anyone else have anything to say. The thing that really concerns me about the phone is battery life. Is it really as bad as people say? How are colors on the nexus 5x? accurate? and how fast does it really charge?

BakedOnSomeSour said:
Does anyone else have anything to say. The thing that really concerns me about the phone is battery life. Is it really as bad as people say? How are colors on the nexus 5x? accurate? and how fast does it really charge?
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I get about 5hrs SOT if I let my battery run to 0%-5% which I rarely do. Projecting based off of 12+ hrs on battery with 50% left with 2hrs+ SOT. 15% brightness, location off and WiFi on for 85% of the time. BT for 45 mins with music streaming. So, it's solid battery life for me.
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BakedOnSomeSour said:
Does anyone else have anything to say. The thing that really concerns me about the phone is battery life. Is it really as bad as people say? How are colors on the nexus 5x? accurate? and how fast does it really charge?
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I'm a pretty light user so I get over a day on a charge. GSAM battery monitor says my averages are 1d 5h average per charge with 6h 15m active. It also says my average SOT is about 4h. Those stats are from about 2 weeks ago when I got the phone. I suspect this is the best I will get and as it ages the life will diminish. Compared to the old S3 I came from this is great. For charging I was at about 14% this morning and with the stock charger went from 15% to 85% in one hour of charging. To me that's pretty fast charge.

BakedOnSomeSour said:
Does anyone else have anything to say. The thing that really concerns me about the phone is battery life. Is it really as bad as people say? How are colors on the nexus 5x? accurate? and how fast does it really charge?
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Battery life lasts a day quite easily, 2 days with lighter usage. It charges very quickly, 25% in just 15 minutes.
More accurate colours than the similar panel used in the iPhone 6s as shown by Anandtech.
You get high end features on this device for a mid range price.

BakedOnSomeSour said:
Does anyone else have anything to say. The thing that really concerns me about the phone is battery life. Is it really as bad as people say? How are colors on the nexus 5x? accurate? and how fast does it really charge?
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About battery life, i'm a heavy user, everything always on (wifi, GPS, bluetooth, data) and I get 3h - 3h30 with 10 % battery left.
About the screen, I own a Galaxy Note II, and I'm really very happy to leave the flashy amoled screen, Nexus 5X's screen is much better for my eyes and the colors are more accurate. I just miss the deep dark of the amoled
Full charge from 10 % takes about 1 - 1h30, it's really fast.
So the battery life is not so good, not enough to last a day for my use, but I charge it on my car going to work and coming back home with a 2A charger and it's also fast.

It is definitely a solid device. I just picked up the Moto X Pure from Best Buy as a Deal Of The Day for $160 off and the camera is quite similar telling me the X does really have a phenomenal camera. The Marshmallow on the MXP is pretty dang stock as well so can't claim anything for either there but would say that the camera is great on 5X personally and the updates are a huge thing for me as well. Screen is phenomenally accurate on 5X but battery is a huge difference. I get around 5H bone stock on MXP and about 3H on Nexus 5X. They both have to be charged at around 8-10% every night and that is all so just telling you through the full day I'll get around those numbers on each device from normal heavy texting and FB Messenger alongside a lot of Bluetooth Audio from GP Music and maybe 30m each day for calls and not much gaming nor anything over 15m of video playing on FB or YT. I'll tell you as well that the signal seems to be slightly stronger keeping LTE in a tiny bit of more places on the MXP as well. The battery life on N5X is terrible compared to what you'd get BUT you also adapt and don't quite use your phone for the useless junk to compensate for it as well. Hopefully it helps SOMEHOW.

G891AUCS6CSI2 8.0 .... battery issues?

so this is a late post of a dead spin off of a phone.
it was always rumored that last updates of a samsung phone were designed to kill the battery.
I'm wondering, I have a soildly refurbished phone, it was running Marshmellow for a bit and seemed to drain. I flashed G891AUCS6CSI2_8.0 which is like the second last update. it RUNS smooth, it actually runs quite well, phone works and everything.
but the battery life is trash.
I might get 2 hours SOT. and it lasts like 5 hours overall... REALLY bad.
pretty unacceptable for a referbished phone even. Accubattery tells me that I only have around 62% of battery capacity. I don't know how accurate this is... but holy this battery is so bad.
thats such a shame for such a legendary battery runtime when it came out.
is it my battery? or is it this god damn firmware?

Something is odd with your motherboard, probably the power integrated circuit. I had S7 for a long time, when I first got it, it used to last all day with around 6+ Hrs SOT on LTE.
It worsened till only around ±4 Hrs SOT in a time period of ~8 Hrs.
I don't think it's firmware. Never felt battery drain after update before. You'll only lose money fixing the phone.
You can get A20 for maybe 100$.

mobo!? why the mobo? wouldn't it be the battery?

supertac said:
mobo!? why the mobo? wouldn't it be the battery?
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It's non-removable, and it's very rare for Samsung phones to have this low-life battery. Galaxy S6 was an exception. Galaxy S7 is not.
But you're free to replace the battery. Here, we recommend the best option, considering the pocket.

I know it takes firmwares to settle on a battery when first flashed... I'm starting to get up to 65%...still really bad for a 4000mah s7 active referb phone...
damnit... I'll likely send it back, I want to know more about this power integrated circuit being a calpurit of failing S7s

Just got a Ebay S7 Active on the latest update
G891AUCS6CSI2​and it's a absolute dog lag city worse than my Galaxy On5. The smashed Galaxy A10 I have on 9.0 is super fast compared to this about 10x speed loading apps and even the keyboard lags on the S7. Is there a way to downgrade from 8.slow to 6.0 or 7.0?

supertac said:
I know it takes firmwares to settle on a battery when first flashed... I'm starting to get up to 65%...still really bad for a 4000mah s7 active referb phone...
damnit... I'll likely send it back, I want to know more about this power integrated circuit being a calpurit of failing S7s
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Before I get rid of my S7, it had like 67% battery performance (said by Kernel manager), it used to last for like ~4Hrs SoT, I'd move at 8 A.M. and return back at sunset.
Something is wrong with your 4K mAh phone, compared to the regular 3K mAh variant, that's a very huge gap to be "just software".

fockewulf190a10 said:
Just got a Ebay S7 Active on the latest update
G891AUCS6CSI2​and it's a absolute dog lag city worse than my Galaxy On5. The smashed Galaxy A10 I have on 9.0 is super fast compared to this about 10x speed loading apps and even the keyboard lags on the S7. Is there a way to downgrade from 8.slow to 6.0 or 7.0?
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The bootloaders are locked so I highly doubt its possible...I ran Oreo on my older s7 active on.BRE7 firmware and while the active button to take a camera shot was busted everything else worked just fine on it. I got decent battery life (not perfect but better then this) and maps ran much faster.
Man...its time to.accept that the s7 active is just dead. Being locked AT&T really held it back and removing.the screen from the front to replace the battery? **** that, people complain about servicing batteries today but at least it's still doable unlike this phone..
They even fixed this for the s8 active

Mohamedkam000 said:
Before I get rid of my S7, it had like 67% battery performance (said by Kernel manager), it used to last for like ~4Hrs SoT, I'd move at 8 A.M. and return back at sunset.
Something is wrong with your 4K mAh phone, compared to the regular 3K mAh variant, that's a very huge gap to be "just software".
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And.your saying it wouldn't be just the battery?

supertac said:
And.your saying it wouldn't be just the battery?
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Yes.

Damn....I returned it. This may be an an issue buying any referb phone from China...

supertac said:
Damn....I returned it. This may be an an issue buying any referb phone from China...
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Return if you can otherwise replace the battery.
Not a big deal unless you screw around until the battery fails which can destroy the phone.
A Li's service lifespan is when it reaches 80% of its original capacity. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail.
Any swelling is a failure.

Question S22 or S21

Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards

if battery is the only concern. s21. or better yet. another brand

Nil96 said:
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
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I've not been into Samsung for years, as I don't like their software and often find their hardware substandard for the price. MIUI/Xiaomi offers a choice between modern status bar/notifications, modern app recents and improves upon stock Android without bloating it up.
Three hottest phones right now
Xiaomi Poco F3
Realme GT Neo 3
Xiaomi Redmi K50/K50 Pro (2k display)
I'm usually a snapdragon fan, but this snapdragon gen 1 has overheating and high power consumption issues.

had s21 and it had better battery life

I've got the 8 Gen 1 S22 and it's sufficient to say it's a terrible phone. It overheats, it gets stuttery most of the time probably because it's getting throttled, and the battery is bad. From 100 to 50% it's bad and from 50% and below it's terrible because it drains faster. And it's even worse when the phone runs hot, which is pretty much gonna be the norm in a hot summer environment. Then there's the last 5% which is non-existent because it's basically like a countdown in seconds from 5 to 0%. In other words, if your phone hit 5% it's gonna turn off in a matter of seconds if you don't plug it in ASAP.
So the math is kind of like this and note that I'm gonna talk about a period of 24h of use, both active and idle:
- you've got a battery of 3590mAh, the real capacity. I'm gonna cut that 5% right now because that simply doesn't exist. That means 180mA, which leaves you with just 3410mAh.
- 25-30% is the idle drain, and it's gonna stay in this range no matter what you're gonna try to do. Believe me, I tried EVRYTHING, even turning off cores and so on. The damn thing finds a way to drain battery with the screen off somehow.
- you're now left with only 65% of actually battery for SOT. That translates into ~2216mAh. That is all you have from a full charge.
- now the active drain is gonna be ~20%/h no matter what any battery monitor app tells you. That is 682mA/h.
*** This is all with normal use, which includes more than just watching videos, scenario in which the lack of touch events + the screen on will count towards that SOT recording and of course that's gonna increase the SOT. But that's kind of like fake SOT. When you start swiping up and down within apps, switching between them, browsing the web, which all means that you're getting the CPU to go from a range of frequencies, is when the actual real usage happens, so that's the true SOT of a phone.***
So, to get back to the math part, you're gonna get 3h15m. You're gonna watch some videos, I don't doubt that and that's gonna reduce that 20%/h to something lower, as long as there are no touch events. That's gonna get you over 3h30m. If you're watching a lot of YouTube and such, you can hit 4h SOT. But the average SOT for this phone is 3.5h.
That is terrible battery life for a phone in 2022. Samsung's node for the 8 Gen 1 was a complete fail and that is why Qualcomm went back to TSMC for the 8 Gen 1 Plus, and the efficiency gains for just a refresh of the same CPU, are insane. We're talking about 30% more efficiency. Insane! The 8 Gen 1 is pathetic and it's rarely gonna run the way it was meant to because it can't due to the heat it constantly produces. Paired with the small S22, there's not enough phone to dissipate that heat more efficiently, and therefore you're left with a choked out "beast". I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that if I choke out The Rock and make him run with me on his back, he's not gonna perform very well, no matter how buff he is.
The bigger brother though, the S22+ is not gonna have the same issues. There's more material to dissipate the heat more efficiently and there's also a considerably larger battery inside. Not a lot bigger but big enough. You've got the same screen so the power consumption is gonna be different. Now all those percentages I mentioned above are gonna be based on the bigger battery. The idle drain is gonna stay the same but instead of 30%, that value would be ~24%. If that 5% issue is the same, you're left with ~3100mAh for SOT. The active drain would then be 16%/h. If my math is correct, with some room for error, you'd be able to get 4h40m with the same usage I initially mentioned for the smaller phone. With those reduced touch event during the videos, you'd be able to get over 5h out of it on a 24h charge. And if that 5% issue is not present, you've got ~200 more mA which would give roughly 20 more minutes over 5h, for SOT. Not that bad.
That's why I regret getting the small phone. Not as much as getting rid of the 13Pro I used before it, which offered me the best battery life I've ever had in a phone, but I still regret it.
In conclusion, you either go big in the Android world, or suffer. Or you can get the S21 and have better battery life than the S22. Your choice.

did you get latest June updates installed on it? I have already returned my galaxy s22 but another person who i know who was using his s22 on power save mode turned off after the latest update. He said it helped a lot?

S8_guy said:
did you get latest June updates installed on it? I have already returned my galaxy s22 but another person who i know who was using his s22 on power save mode turned off after the latest update. He said it helped a lot?
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Don't be fooled by any claims. The battery is simply too small to have noticeable gains. One moment you think it's doing great and suddenly the table turns. For instance you'd think 2h50m SOT at the 50% mark is great and you'll get at least another 2.5h out of it considering how much battery you still have, but then later that day you see that you just hit 3.5h SOT and the battery is now at 15%. So the stats are very tweaked to mislead you and not show the real SOT. It's kind of what Apple does with the percentage that's over 90% where the battery drops very slowly but then it starts to get faster.
With Power Saver mode at all times, Google's services freak out a lot more frequent because they can't send and receive data at any time without interruptions. That results in even higher idle drain. You virtually gain no additional battery life, or something small that you can barely call gains.
So you gotta use the phone as is, without any interventions this way allowing it to perform anything it needs to do in the background. After getting mine to stock, I've been getting that 3.5, 4h SOT which is pretty consistent right now. I don't look at the drain or how much per hour gets wasted, etc. I just use it as a regular folk who doesn't know about these more in depth stats. This way I only got used to charging it a certain way and not caring about the rest. If by any chance I notice a higher drain than usual, again, I don't investigate because I know it'll only get me depressed or something. I just reboot the phone and thing settle for a while.
It's the best way to use this terrible phone. You were very inspired when you decided to return it. Literally ANYTHING on the market is better than this thing.

dragos281993 said:
Don't be fooled by any claims. The battery is simply too small to have noticeable gains. One moment you think it's doing great and suddenly the table turns. For instance you'd think 2h50m SOT at the 50% mark is great and you'll get at least another 2.5h out of it considering how much battery you still have, but then later that day you see that you just hit 3.5h SOT and the battery is now at 15%. So the stats are very tweaked to mislead you and not show the real SOT. It's kind of what Apple does with the percentage that's over 90% where the battery drops very slowly but then it starts to get faster.
With Power Saver mode at all times, Google's services freak out a lot more frequent because they can't send and receive data at any time without interruptions. That results in even higher idle drain. You virtually gain no additional battery life, or something small that you can barely call gains.
So you gotta use the phone as is, without any interventions this way allowing it to perform anything it needs to do in the background. After getting mine to stock, I've been getting that 3.5, 4h SOT which is pretty consistent right now. I don't look at the drain or how much per hour gets wasted, etc. I just use it as a regular folk who doesn't know about these more in depth stats. This way I only got used to charging it a certain way and not caring about the rest. If by any chance I notice a higher drain than usual, again, I don't investigate because I know it'll only get me depressed or something. I just reboot the phone and thing settle for a while.
It's the best way to use this terrible phone. You were very inspired when you decided to return it. Literally ANYTHING on the market is better than this thing.
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I am thinking about switching over to iphone. My existing galaxy s8 is old. I really like to iphone 13 mini, but not sure about its battery life. I guess it has a 14 day return period as well.
If that doesn't do it, then i might go for the regular iphone 13.

S8_guy said:
I am thinking about switching over to iphone. My existing galaxy s8 is old. I really like to iphone 13 mini, but not sure about its battery life. I guess it has a 14 day return period as well.
If that doesn't do it, then i might go for the regular iphone 13.
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This is how it goes. Small Android devices will NEVER give you great battery life, and I'm talking about the likes of S22 and such in terms of size and also with the title of flagship device. You just can't have both. I learn it the hard way, which is wasting money on devices for the past 3 years to reach this conclusion.
So if you want a powerful Android device with more than good battery life, you gotta go big. No way around it. If someone claims that they're getting great SOT on their small Android phone, that's because they're very light users, mostly watching videos. That means no touch events and that translates into very few frequency rampups and that in its turn means lower CPU usage that gives you longer SOT, but that's not representative of the regular usage which involves a lot more than that.
Only Apple offers great battery life in a smaller form factor and that's mainly because it's a hell of a lot easier job to optimize the software for a handful of devices which have the most important pieces of hardware inside built inhouse. It's just the absolute best situation for them.
However, going for the smallest phone would be a mistake. You'd get decent battery life for that size but it's still bad. The regular 13 is the best choice if you still want a small phone. I'd personally get the 13 Pro which has even better battery life than the regular variant plus the 120Hz screen. And let me tell you, the level of smoothness you get from 120Hz iOS is on a whole another level than on 120Hz Android. iOS has a lot less frequent frame drops, and by that I mean they're almost non existent. On Android, framedrops are everywhere and anywhere, no matter how "buttery smooth" people claim it is. It's not. The frame dips, the so called stutters, are noticeable and they occur most of the time no matter the app, when you scroll up and down. It's always been there.
But yeah, get an iPhone and you'll see what I'm talking about. After selling my 13 Pro to go back on Android because I got bored of iOS, I regretted it when I saw the battery life on my S22, not to mention overheating and overall poor performance because of that.
Something else to consider is how much better iPhones hold their value compared to Android phones. I can get a brand new S22 for $570 from the trading market in my country. I paid $1040 for my current crap of a phone. It's nearly half the price now. At the same time, I can buy a brand new 13 Pro from the same place for $1025, the cheapest one. I paid $1250 for mine when I got it last year in October. That's just $225 value lost in 8 months. The S22's price dropped to nearly half in just 3 months. It's just insane.
So get a 13 or 13 Pro, or if you can wait a little longer, get a 14. I'm getting the 14 Pro Max, without thinking twice. It's a brick but I don't want to have to worry about battery life ever again, to force close apps and services and constantly check on the background activity so I can try to save some juice.
My POV though. Android has always been letting me down

My galaxy s8 used to last two full days when i got it new. Nowadays, it last me a full day with regular use, keep in mind that i put a new battery in it and did not update to the latest firmware. It has only two year of update and it killed the battery by one day.
Those updates age the phone, doesn't matter which OS it is ( android or ios). I am going to do a trial on the 13 mini, and if that doesn't work i am going to go for the iphone 14 pro ( not the max). the pro models will ditch the notch as well. It would be one hell of an upgrade from my s8.
Not sure, why you didn't return your galaxy s22 during the trial period?

S8_guy said:
My galaxy s8 used to last two full days when i got it new. Nowadays, it last me a full day with regular use, keep in mind that i put a new battery in it and did not update to the latest firmware. It has only two year of update and it killed the battery by one day.
Those updates age the phone, doesn't matter which OS it is ( android or ios). I am going to do a trial on the 13 mini, and if that doesn't work i am going to go for the iphone 14 pro ( not the max). the pro models will ditch the notch as well. It would be one hell of an upgrade from my s8.
Not sure, why you didn't return your galaxy s22 during the trial period?
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When I ordered this thing, I also put in the cart a white Samsung bumper case too. When I received the package, I unboxed the phone and the case, put the phone in it then booted up the device. It was a pretty tight fit. After 4 days I decided that nope, I'm not keeping this pathetic thing. So I already had a few tabs open with some guys selling their Pixel 5 phones. I just needed to choose one.
So I take out the S22 out of the case and surprise! Micro scratches all around the frame from when I inserted the phone in the case. Because the damn case is made of a hard material and the plastic inside wasn't completely smooth at the edge, all the tiny imperfections left a mark on the supposedly military grade aluminium the frame is made of, when I inserted it in it. Marketing at its finest. I then emailed the store I ordered the phone from and they asked the department in charge how it would go from there if I returned the phone in that condition. They tagged it as "non-returnable" because it's not in the same condition and cannot be sold as new anymore. OR they could deduce a tax that consists of replacing the frame with a new original one. That also includes the display and the whole restoration of the device would mean -400 euros from the initial price. Just from those micro scratches around the frame.
So that's why I'm now stuck with this thing. I even took it out of the case, removed the screen protector and I'm using it naked. It's all scuffed and scratched from just using it like that, without dropping it or anything. The durability of this thing is absolutely pathetic, a complete joke.

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When I ordered this thing, I also put in the cart a white Samsung bumper case too. When I received the package, I unboxed the phone and the case, put the phone in it then booted up the device. It was a pretty tight fit. After 4 days I decided that nope, I'm not keeping this pathetic thing. So I already had a few tabs open with some guys selling their Pixel 5 phones. I just needed to choose one.
So I take out the S22 out of the case and surprise! Micro scratches all around the frame from when I inserted the phone in the case. Because the damn case is made of a hard material and the plastic inside wasn't completely smooth at the edge, all the tiny imperfections left a mark on the supposedly military grade aluminium the frame is made of, when I inserted it in it. Marketing at its finest. I then emailed the store I ordered the phone from and they asked the department in charge how it would go from there if I returned the phone in that condition. They tagged it as "non-returnable" because it's not in the same condition and cannot be sold as new anymore. OR they could deduce a tax that consists of replacing the frame with a new original one. That also includes the display and the whole restoration of the device would mean -400 euros from the initial price. Just from those micro scratches around the frame.
So that's why I'm now stuck with this thing. I even took it out of the case, removed the screen protector and I'm using it naked. It's all scuffed and scratched from just using it like that, without dropping it or anything. The durability of this thing is absolutely pathetic, a complete joke.
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Absolute tragedy! Sounds like your just stuck with this phone for sometime or your other choice is to sell for a loss in the used market.
On a side note, I ordered a case and screen protector online for the galaxy s22. It arrived a month after i returned the phone. I lost about $15 on it. I was too cheap to order it from samsung directly.
The regular iphone 13 looks like the phone to get for me, I guess i will wait for iphone 14 to launch and buy the iphone 13 on a discount.

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Absolute tragedy! Sounds like your just stuck with this phone for sometime or your other choice is to sell for a loss in the used market.
The regular iphone 13 looks like the phone to get for me, I guess i will wait for iphone 14 to launch and buy the iphone 13 on a discount.
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Good idea. The regular 14 I believe the rumours say will look identical to the 13 too.

dragos281993 said:
Good idea. The regular 14 I believe the rumours say will look identical to the 13 too.
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lol...also has the same processor. Not sure, what would the upgrade really be.

Nil96 said:
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
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I don't think the the battery will be that much of an issue for S22 because the phone itself is more efficient then the S21. So technically you should get more out of the smaller battery.

S20 or S20 Ultra will be a better option then S22.
I bought the S22 only because my old phone died and the S22 was on sale and in stock.
Other wise I would have bought the S20.

The S22 series are new with a lot more great specs so you can get any S22 series model!

Question Buy or not Samsung S22 5g, January 2023

Hello, I got my wife S22 5g, I read about the problems of the first wave from the factory recently, are there still these problems, battery lasts a little, phone frozen, no gps signal, etc.?
She says her battery lasts a day and a bit.
For example, last night he was at work, the phone was removed from charging at 18:00 and today at 09:00 it still has 66%, since he was at work he used the internet a little, so after about 16 hours it has 66 %.
Can I still return it, she says she's happy, should I keep it or return it?
I could wait for s23 but it will be expensive anyway and the first wave will probably be problematic again.
So is it ok now s22 or not?
I have updated to the latest android.

It's OK. You should learn to optimize the performance of Galaxy, which has too many services running. Start by disabling the android update service, as it consumes a lot of power. Stay on the same firmware version until you become proficient and understand how to set up system apps. Don't ask just read.

focsaciprian said:
Hello, I got my wife S22 5g, I read about the problems of the first wave from the factory recently, are there still these problems, battery lasts a little, phone frozen, no gps signal, etc.?
She says her battery lasts a day and a bit.
For example, last night he was at work, the phone was removed from charging at 18:00 and today at 09:00 it still has 66%, since he was at work he used the internet a little, so after about 16 hours it has 66 %.
Can I still return it, she says she's happy, should I keep it or return it?
I could wait for s23 but it will be expensive anyway and the first wave will probably be problematic again.
So is it ok now s22 or not?
I have updated to the latest android.
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I'm not happy with my S22. I had a s9+ and the screen separated from the frame so I purchased the S22 because of the trade in value of my S9+. Big mistake. I could have purchased another S9+ for less and it was much better than the S22. Oh well live and learn. Just my opinion.

Other than the android update are there any other recomendations to increase battery life? Also I'd really love to root this phone but it's a US variant.

I disable everything I don't use to try to keep down the battery usage. I'd love to root mine too but I purchased it before I knew the US version can't be rooted. Bummer.

Absolutely not. Don't even bother. In this price range there are so many phones with the exact same or better performance but with miles better battery life. This phone only lasts a day as long as you don't use it at all and let it drain idle.

blackrubi said:
Absolutely not. Don't even bother. In this price range there are so many phones with the exact same or better performance but with miles better battery life. This phone only lasts a day as long as you don't use it at all and let it drain idle.
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Are they size of S22 though?

k3lcior said:
Are they size of S22 though?
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Size becomes irrelevant when:
a. you have to use a massive battery case
b. you attach a magsafe qi charger that's twice as thick as the phone itself
c. have cables dangling while trying to charge you phone from a non-wireless powerbank
all this to make sure your battery won't die in the middle of the day during moderate use even with having gone through the S22 optimization thread. I knew about the battery issues before buying it as I didn't expect it to be as bad as people were complaining, but they were right and now I'm stuck with it.
I can not return my S22 (base, Exynos), but personally I would glady take the Pixel 7 (same performance, better battery) or Iphone SE 2022 (same battery, miles better performance) or even the Iphone 12 mini. I will be taking route b. and try to find a wireless magsafe powerbank that is as thin as possible and order one of those magsafe rings that I can attach.

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It's OK. You should learn to optimize the performance of Galaxy, which has too many services running. Start by disabling the android update service, as it consumes a lot of power. Stay on the same firmware version until you become proficient and understand how to set up system apps. Don't ask just read.
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package name of android update service?