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[Q] tzone dead today...?

woke up today and tried checking the weather...couldnt get a connection. Then used opera and it said i needed a subscription upgrade. Is this the end of the 5.99 tzone? Im running the energy rom and had no problem until this morning. I really hope its a data/network hiccup and resume back to the way it was...soon!
I also tried using wap.voicestream.com and epc.tmobile.com with no luck.

beeflolo said:
woke up today and tried checking the weather...couldnt get a connection. Then used opera and it said i needed a subscription upgrade. Is this the end of the 5.99 tzone? Im running the energy rom and had no problem until this morning. I really hope its a data/network hiccup and resume back to the way it was...soon!
I also tried using wap.voicestream.com and epc.tmobile.com with no luck.
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The $5.99 plan is not for smartphones. You'll need the normal data plan for the TP2. It normally connects through internet2.voicestream.com or internet3.voicestream.com. wap.voicestream.com is used for MMS.

I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have been using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?

dmercado_gto said:
I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.

dmercado_gto said:
I'm getting the same subscription upgrade required message. I have been using the $5.99 data plan for about three years on my smartphone just fine until today. Like the OP, I tried all available APN settings to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions?
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You are lucky that is all you are receiving. Their normal mode is to charge $1.99 per megabyte of download.

cajunflavoredbob said:
Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.
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Is that so...
sry to break it to you...but my 3G is back, 5.99 tzone lives on! Around 4pm, i tried it and was successful. This maybe like the hiccup that happened a few years ago. Lets hope everything goes back to the way it was. Streaming slacker radio now...

beeflolo said:
Is that so...
sry to break it to you...but my 3G is back, 5.99 tzone lives on! Around 4pm, i tried it and was successful. This maybe like the hiccup that happened a few years ago. Lets hope everything goes back to the way it was. Streaming slacker radio now...
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I talked to T-Mobile Blackberry/PDA Support or Tier 2/3 to some others. Most of us remember about this time last year they doing something similar to what they did Tuesday. Talking to TMBS, earlier in the day they were killing T-Mobile Web aka Unlimited T-Zones to Smartphones. I talked to another guy this evening that said the same thing with one caveat...which I asked what about those of us who have grandfathered data plans?
He looked over our account codes...whatever that means and he made the observation that the instructions for our SIM cards were erased in regards to our data plan which he said he put the instructions back. I was on the horn with him at the same time our internet came back up through no editing of our network connections, so I have no idea what to think.
I don't know if what was done today was a prelude to the introduction of Windows Phone 7 devices starting next month. I'm told T-Mobile will introduce 3 Windows Phone 7 devices for the upcoming holiday season - HTC Mozart aka HD3/7...take your pick, a LG and Samsung variation. Assuming they don't toy with our internet plans as they currently are I have to believe it will be a repeat of the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 Leo. You buy the device retail you can stay on T-Mobile Web.
All that said, I couldn't tell you whether it's all script or the truth.

cajunflavoredbob said:
Look up one post. I just provided the answer. It doesn't matter how long you've been using it. T-Mobile is changing the data access policies. You can no longer connect to the Internet on your TP2 with the $5.99 plan. You need to either use a non-smartphone device, or upgrade your plan. There is no way around it.
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Well. T-zones is back up and running as of yesterday evening with my smartphone. Hopefully this was just a temporary outage.

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dmercado_gto said:
Well. T-zones is back up and running as of yesterday evening with my smartphone. Hopefully this was just a temporary outage.
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Glad it is back. I have mine for more than 5yrs. But during this outage for last couple of days, I turned off 3G and it was working fine on Edge. Of course on 3G I was getting same subscription error.

Comprehensive list of differences between T-Mobile and Sprint Galaxy S2

Pro's for T-Mobile Galaxy S2:
Generally better data speeds
Generally cheaper plan
GSM, so can use internationally
True Android-native infrastructure tethering after root
No Loss of Service (LOS), a problem afflicting Sprint GS2
No Sound Pool bug, a problem that crashes games afflicting all Exynos GS2
NFC
Wifi calling
USB Host (USB on the go)
Noise cancellation microphone
Con's for T-Mobile Galaxy S2:
Generally less coverage around the country (especially on non-roaming prepaid plans)
Screen suffers from blotches on low-brightness
Slightly slower CPU/GPU
Worse front-facing camera
Runs hotter
Less dev support
No notification LED
Capped data that throttles after plan limits
Edit: This thread was originally about me considering switching from a Sprint GS2 to a T-Mobile GS2. I've now done so, but figured since I drew up such a comprehensive list of differences, might as well keep it around for anyone else that might be curious

read thought this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320942

talltexan said:
read thought this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320942
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Yup, I saw that, weird and disappointing. That's why I have "slightly worse screen" in my list of cons.

manekineko said:
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GSM, so can use internationally, but only at EDGE speeds
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that's not correct
it can get 3G/4G at any GSM internationally
that's the beauty of this version of SGS2 Hercules

manekineko said:
No LOS, a problem afflicting Sprint GS2
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What is LOS? Line of Sight? Left over soup?
I just switched over from Sprint as well. Their 3G has been totally pathetic and borderline unusable for the last 6 months. My T-Mobile speeds are 10+ times faster. I don't know what the SERO plan is, but T-Mobile doesn't have free mobile to mobile calling like Sprint. They only give you free calling from T-Mobile to T-Mobile and their nights and weekends are more restrictive than Sprint.

AllGamer said:
that's not correct
it can get 3G/4G at any GSM internationally
that's the beauty of this version of SGS2 Hercules
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Wow, that is big for me. Thanks for the tip, I hadn't heard the Hercules also has the AT&T bands.

Splaktar said:
What is LOS? Line of Sight? Left over soup?
I just switched over from Sprint as well. Their 3G has been totally pathetic and borderline unusable for the last 6 months. My T-Mobile speeds are 10+ times faster. I don't know what the SERO plan is, but T-Mobile doesn't have free mobile to mobile calling like Sprint. They only give you free calling from T-Mobile to T-Mobile and their nights and weekends are more restrictive than Sprint.
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Loss of Service. It's a problem that comes from the fact that Samsung kind of sucks at making CDMA modems. Sometimes the Sprint GS2 will just lose cell service, and it won't come back until you reboot. I haven't gotten bit by it yet, but it's widespread enough that I feel it's just a matter of time.
The Sprint speeds drive me nuts. In the middle of Manhattan, I see download speeds on 3G of as low as 100kbps on Speedtest.
I'd be going to the T-Mobile $30 prepaid 5GB 100 minute plan, so I wouldn't get any nights and weekends or mobile to mobile I think. The plan's a big downgrade from the numbers I had on Sprint, but the speed improvements and lower monthly fee would balance it out for me. Plus, talking is probably the feature I use least on my phone.

manekineko said:
Loss of Service. It's a problem that comes from the fact that Samsung kind of sucks at making CDMA modems. Sometimes the Sprint GS2 will just lose cell service, and it won't come back until you reboot. I haven't gotten bit by it yet, but it's widespread enough that I feel it's just a matter of time.
The Sprint speeds drive me nuts. In the middle of Manhattan, I see download speeds on 3G of as low as 100kbps on Speedtest.
I'd be going to the T-Mobile $30 prepaid 5GB 100 minute plan, so I wouldn't get any nights and weekends or mobile to mobile I think. The plan's a big downgrade from the numbers I had on Sprint, but the speed improvements and lower monthly fee would balance it out for me. Plus, talking is probably the feature I use least on my phone.
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If your paying $79.99 for sprint tmobile has the same plan for $79.99 with contract 2 gig cab though. if you want 5 gig cap its $89.99. 10 gig cap is $99.99
All those plans have unlimted minutes and texting.

Killbynature said:
If your paying $79.99 for sprint tmobile has the same plan for $79.99 with contract 2 gig cab though. if you want 5 gig cap its $89.99. 10 gig cap is $99.99
All those plans have unlimted minutes and texting.
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I pay 49 for unlimited talk/text and 2 gigs data. Not sure about 79.
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my wife works for tmobile and ill tell you that if you live in a good area then tmobile is definitely worth it and is the best bargain out there , if you travel alot then i dont recommend them,all depends on your lifestyle, most major cities get pretty good tmobile service

mikeyinid said:
I pay 49 for unlimited talk/text and 2 gigs data. Not sure about 79.
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Classic or Value if you don't get subsidize it is much cheaper.

For me:
1. Sprint Galaxy S II phones do suffer from loss of signal. I have noticed this on both Sprint Galaxy S II phone I have. Very very annoying.
2. T-Mobile's version suffers from poor display.
3. T-Mobile's version suffers from poor front facing camera.
Maybe all of these problems can be fixed with a software update. And Samsung will take the time to make this happen. There are no assurances however.
For its part, Sprint has acknowledged the loss of signal problem and has promised a fix. T-Mobile has not yet acknowledged problems with their unit.

Walmart piggybacks off Tmobil.towers
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I dunno what everyone is talking about with the front camera, it's the same resolution as sprint's.

kabuk1 said:
I dunno what everyone is talking about with the front camera, it's the same resolution as sprint's.
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You might have missed this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1326314

Yes, I definitely missed that post. Damn :/
Hopefully it's just a software issue.

Killbynature said:
Classic or Value if you don't get subsidize it is much cheaper.
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I'm on a value plan. 99 a month for 2 lines. And I'm in an excellent coverage area. But, 2 gigs is definitely not enough. I blew through half of that on Friday listening to Google music beta
First time I missed sprint since I switched a few months back.
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Has anyone tried USB on the go to plug in a USB stick on the T-Mobile GS2?
They disabled it on the Sprint version for some reason, and am wondering if this is another pro I could add to the list.

Another question that I thought of.
Has anyone experienced lots of random crashing to home screen while playing games? Both the Sprint and international Galaxy S2 suffer from a bug in their sound system that causes certain games to crash all the time. If the T-Mobile one doesn't do that, it'd be a huge advantage.

Former sprint to tmo customer.
as a former sprint customer recently switched over to T Mobile in the NorCal area...
SWITCH TO TMOBILE.
holy ****. i ing hate sprint. i got the evo 3d from them, and right out of the box the first unit was bunk. started power cycling directly AFTER i set everything up and linked my contacts. The 3vo being my first android phone, i didn't know that a randomly restarting phone meant LEMONLEMONLEMON so i hung onto it for a couple days, hoping the issue would fix itself or something.
Called IN ADVANCE when the phone first began having issues to talk to the guy who sold me the phone. Brought it in a week after, after trying everything someone rational would, i.e. battery pull, factory reset, etc. and when i brought the device in i was told by the associate, (yes this is a quote) that he couldn't exchange it but that he could do a "hard hard reset" for me, (after i explained to him it had already been reset every way possible) and send me on my way.
Bear in mind sprint store is 35 minutes away in the next town over, and so this is now taken 2 hours of driving, and still no fully functional phone.
i get home, set everything up again, and boom. Literally as i drag the last icon into place it starts power cycling again.
i call corporate at this point to see if i can ensure an actual replacement on my next trip. i get a vague "probably-ish." sorta answer from them.
when i arrive the next day, there's an associate who was obviously told to expect me as he becomes instantly friendly when i tell him my name and he reads some memo on his screen. I give him my phone, and he hands me the power cord and charger, winking at me and goes "this is for your wasted time. keep it, as a thirty dollar value"
now, like all of you, i'm aware a usb cord and adapter is not worth 30 dollars. However, i was appreciative of the gesture, and i know that sprint really will try to charge you 30 bucks for one of those cords.
After a little wait i'm told the technician got my phone in front of him, and it power cycled in his face. so they replaced it. (finally)
as i'm checking out, back with the original associate who i got the dude phone from 2 weeks before, he's being SUPER surly. Won't look me in the eyes or answer any of the questions i have with more than a grunt or mumble. As he's switching out the new phone with the old, he takes the new charger cable and tosses it in the old box and slides it away from me.
i interrupt him and say "hey, the guy i checked in with said i could keep that."
not even bothering to look up, he shrugs, PULLS IT OUT OF MY HAND, tosses it into the box and closes it and says "nope."
i'm a bit taken aback at this point. incredulously i say, "i was told i would be given that for my wasted time. i was already told that i could have that."
to which he says, still not looking up "htc policy we return em."
at this pont, i'm just ing done dealing with this dude. So i just ask him where the other associate is, so i can work it out with him instead, to which he replies "he went to lunch."
"well...when will he be back"
"dunno."
at that point i walked out. I called about the issue and was given a run around.
anyways. thats ONE of my stories with sprint, in the ing 3 months i was with them. i have MANY MANY more. and their corporate branch is just as bad as the stores, i've been told so many contradicting things by sprint associates on the phone that i have literally found myself saying to them in barely hidden anger "HOW CAN ONE OF YOU TELL ME ONE THING AND THEN THE NEXT GUY AFTER THE TRANSFER SAYS THE OPPOSITE?! are you people even working for the same company?!"
anyways, i've had t-mobile since the release of the galaxy s2, and called in several times to change my features and they have been nothing but friendly informative and helpful. I've heard a bunch of **** talked about how the Tmo version of the GS2 is inferior to the others, but i have faith in the good people on these forums to correct most of those inferiorities which i believe are mostly software issues arising from the Tmo version having a different processor than the other versions.
so yeah sorry for the ungodly long post, but i am another sprint customer recently gone to tmobile and just wanted to share a little bit of my experience. here's a short list of ADDITIONAL pros, and the cons.
PROS.
1. WAY faster data, at least in my area. Went from CRAWLING 3g, and no 4g to being able to torrent via my tether when my cable went out. Achieving 9mbps according to speedtest app, never tested on sprint, but it was browsing speeds, AT BEST. took youtube videos AGES to load. Tmo 4g is about half the speed of my home wifi connection, which is impressive.
2. PRO/CON: better service in populated areas, but service does cut out earlier whenever you drive out into middle of nowhere parts. Also, much more continuity between service and data connection. With sprint, lots of service. Mobile data cuts out LOTS. Tmo data pretty much works until you have no service whatsoever, or at least close to that point.
CONS.
1. QUALCOMM processor instead of the one samsung meant for this device. LOTS of info about what this means as far as detrimental effects on device performance ALL OVER this particular forum.
2. Screen Issues...also, look in this forum.
3. No truly unlimited data plan (best you can get is 5 gb then down to EDGE speeds...which suck.)

AT&T Note 4 thread

Thought this would be useful. They said they will be one of the first to release it. Hope they do with the edge...
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Thought this would be useful. They said they will be one of the first to release it. Hope they do with the edge...
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Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.

ls3mach said:
Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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You can thank T-mobile for being a pricing leader and make other carriers have unlimited data. I get unlimited LTE data on T-mobile.

ekerbuddyeker said:
Thought this would be useful. They said they will be one of the first to release it. Hope they do with the edge...
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link?

ohbreeeezy said:
link?
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Google never disappoints!
http://about.att.com/story/att_conf...oin_nations_most_reliable_4g_lte_network.html

ls3mach said:
Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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You should have said "I wouldn't call what Sprint offers - IN MY AREA- 4G or even data most of the time", because your comment isn't true everywhere.
I've been with Sprint for over 4 years and couldn't be happier! I have unlimited everything and only pay $45 per month! While I only saw Wimax once, I get LTE everywhere. I average 25mbps down at my house, which is 20 minutes outside of Atlanta

stanglifemike said:
You should have said "I wouldn't call what Sprint offers - IN MY AREA- 4G or even data most of the time", because your comment isn't true everywhere.
I've been with Sprint for over 4 years and couldn't be happier! I have unlimited everything and only pay $45 per month! While I only saw Wimax once, I get LTE everywhere. I average 25mbps down at my house, which is 20 minutes outside of Atlanta
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I've been with them 11 years. Way before "since the ground up". My Treo 650 got better speeds than by Note 3. Note 2. HTC Evo 4G LTE. EVI 3D. Evo Wimax. Evo. PPC6800. PPC6700. Palm Centreo. Treo 700. Moto Q. I'm sure there were others. I've been Sprint before SERO. I've got a screen grab on HoFo of me using 35+GB of data in a month back when they're 3G was mediocre. I couldn't max out my connection and for 3 months and use that now.
I think my doctorate thesis will be only poor people use Sprint.

ls3mach said:
Me too. I am dying to know what off contract pricing is going to be. Shame about their limited 4G data caps though. I can't wait for truly unlimited data to come back to the carriers.
As I understand Verizon has some grandfathers and I've got it for for Sprint, but I wouldn't call what Sprint offers "4G" or even "data" most of the time.
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I'm on a grandfathered unlimited data AT&T plan. I don't use a lot of data and I think AT&T throttles it if you exceed 5 GB/mo.

ls3mach said:
I think my doctorate thesis will be only poor people use Sprint.
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Great idea IF you want to appear unintelligent, lol. Based on your thesis, everyone around Atlanta who chooses the best carrier is now poor. You could be absolutely correct, though, and it has nothing to do with the others having spotty coverage and terrible speeds.
I suppose my doctorate thesis will be, ls3mach is an average special ed student.
Finally, Sprint does NOT throttle their users. I see @mty msi said AT&T throttles, so thought I would chime in. I average 25-35GB each month and my download speeds are always between 25-30mbps.
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I have unlimited data on AT&T as well...its $30, however if you have a employer discount that comes off the $30 unlimited plan, or $50 5gb plan, not off the $30 3gb plan. I have a 24% discount on my bill which gives 24% off $60 700min family plan, and 24% off my $30 unlimited and 24% off my younger sisters $50 5gb plan.
I pay $22.80 for Unlimited data. I just reached 5gb my first time this past labor day at my family's cottage in northern Michigan, I have never had internet on my phone up north, but now I get a solid 4 Mbps download H+ speed up there, so naturally I streamed a few Netflix movies and hit my 5gb...they throttle me to .55 Mbps no matter where I am. At home(metro Detroit) I can sometimes pull 40mbps down 5mbps up on LTE, so to be throttled to .55 is ridiculous, I cannot watch YouTube videos, however I can still stream music without buffering. So I view my Unlimited data as a $22 5gb data plan...which isn't bad...but still...that amount of throttling is terrible and a cheap ploy to get us to change plans as everyone knows a faster 4g connection is cheaper to provide than slower 3g.
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Sold my current phone and will rock a dump phone on call forwarding to my work smartphone until AT&T launches the Note 4 then Verizon will be reduced to my tablet line which is for work. Suck it Verizon.
AT&T's page says " AT&T today confirmed that it will be among the first U.S. carriers to bring you the Galaxy Note 4" not the first, but among the first so hopefully they will be right on top for 10-10-14 which is the speculated date and the day before my billing cycle.

I will pass on the Note 4...Boot loader will be locked and no root in sight...Not buying a phone you can't root.

im gonna pass on the note 4 for att... but pickup a note 4 on tmobile.. lets hope they dont pull any games with the bootloader :good:

GalaxyNotesTx said:
I will pass on the Note 4...Boot loader will be locked and no root in sight...Not buying a phone you can't root.
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Just to add to this for those of you who are coming from older phones and may not be aware of AT&T's locked bootloader practice the last couple years.
The first batch of Galaxy S4's could be flashed to AOSP if you wanted.
But since then, all premium Galaxy (and maybe others) phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader. And to this day, nobody has broken it and that means you cannot flash a custom recovery or AOSP ROMs.
And, it took a LONG time before root was even available for the S5.
Jonnyredcorn said:
I view my Unlimited data as a $22 5gb data plan...which isn't bad...but still...that amount of throttling is terrible
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Yeah, that sucks doesn't it.
TMO plans are unlimited in the sense that you pay for say, 5GB of high speed. Then they just throttle you afterwards.
SO the ATT "unlimited" is the same thing but with a fancier name.

CZ Eddie said:
Just to add to this for those of you who are coming from older phones and may not be aware of AT&T's locked bootloader practice the last couple years.
The first batch of Galaxy S4's could be flashed to AOSP if you wanted.
But since then, all premium Galaxy (and maybe others) phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader. And to this day, nobody has broken it and that means you cannot flash a custom recovery or AOSP ROMs.
And, it took a LONG time before root was even available for the S5.
Yeah, that sucks doesn't it.
TMO plans are unlimited in the sense that you pay for say, 5GB of high speed. Then they just throttle you afterwards.
SO the ATT "unlimited" is the same thing but with a fancier name.
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I used to tinker with my android phones in the past, flashing ROM's all the time, but since I use my phone more and more for work I starting going stock and not worrying as much about it. Perhaps if Dish buys T-Mobile they could become the ULTIMATE UnCarrier and kick all of them in the nutz.

iB4STiD said:
im gonna pass on the note 4 for att... but pickup a note 4 on tmobile.. lets hope they dont pull any games with the bootloader :good:
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I'm thinking of purchasing the TMO phone and using on ATT. I need the ATT coverage. But, I think I'll hold off until it is confirmed that it can be rooted.
RaptorMD said:
I used to tinker with my android phones in the past, flashing ROM's all the time, but since I use my phone more and more for work I starting going stock and not worrying as much about it. ...
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Same here. I have installed a lot of different ROMS, most of which typicall have very positive feedback. But, I find there is ALWAYS something, however minor it may be (or not) that does not work right. Always. Now, of course, some of that can likely be attributed to the various phones that are different due to manufacturing tolerances. But I'm tired of it.
But I do want root so I can do effective backups, and use some of the apps I have that require (or work better) if rooted.

ewingr said:
I'm thinking of purchasing the TMO phone and using on ATT. I need the ATT coverage. But, I think I'll hold off until it is confirmed that it can be rooted.
Same here. I have installed a lot of different ROMS, most of which typicall have very positive feedback. But, I find there is ALWAYS something, however minor it may be (or not) that does not work right. Always. Now, of course, some of that can likely be attributed to the various phones that are different due to manufacturing tolerances. But I'm tired of it.
But I do want root so I can do effective backups, and use some of the apps I have that require (or work better) if rooted.
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I did enjoy the custom ROM's as you mentioned and today for me its really about rooting and getting the features back that were stolen by the carriers. Not sure if that will every happen or not, that said I am waiting for the Note 4 before casting any final decisions.

I just wish Samsung would start holding their press events closer to their release dates. I hate watching the Crapple products get all the press because they get to market faster. I hope AT&T is first (one of the first) to release again.

RaptorMD said:
I did enjoy the custom ROM's as you mentioned and today for me its really about rooting and getting the features back that were stolen by the carriers. Not sure if that will every happen or not, that said I am waiting for the Note 4 before casting any final decisions.
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Same here. I am on T-Mobile, and if it looks like it will be difficult to root, I may hold off till the Nexus X.

Samscum + ATT = :crying:
No root, locked bootloader, and tons of bullcrap bloatware.
What happened to the good old days of the Galaxy Note 2 on ATT, that thing had awesome development and ROM's the first month of release.

Unlocked Pixel XL 2 on Verizon

Hey guys, I'm currently on XL and want to pull the trigger for XL2. Can anyone confirm if tethering is working? For some reason, I can't get my XL to tether anymore on Verizon.
I'm on the $80 unlimited plan.
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MatthewRobinson said:
Hey guys, I'm currently on XL and want to pull the trigger for XL2. Can anyone confirm if tethering is working? For some reason, I can't get my XL to tether anymore on Verizon.
I'm on the $80 unlimited plan.
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Tethering does not seem to work out of the box. However there are a number of people who have rooted the phone and have gotten it working that way

MatthewRobinson said:
Hey guys, I'm currently on XL and want to pull the trigger for XL2. Can anyone confirm if tethering is working? For some reason, I can't get my XL to tether anymore on Verizon.
I'm on the $80 unlimited plan.
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Just tested it where i'm at (horrible signal and data speeds) but wifi tethering still worked on my laptop just fine.
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Tethering does not seem to work out of the box. However there are a number of people who have rooted the phone and have gotten it working that way
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I guess that's why tethering works for me, I'm rooted. But that shouldn't be the answer it should work without root, unfortunately i didn't think to test that before i unlocked my bootloader and rooted.

I'm rooted on XL with the build.prop edit and it's not working for me. It connects, but gives no data. Any idea as to why?
Are you on the Verizon $80 unlimited?
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I'm have the Verizon version of the Pixel 2 XL and tethering works fine out of the box for me.

depends if you're prepaid or postpaid. Tethering won't work on the prepaid $80 plan.

AceKingNYC said:
depends if you're prepaid or postpaid. Tethering won't work on the prepaid $80 plan.
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Even if you're rooted!!!?
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MatthewRobinson said:
Even if you're rooted!!!?
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I can't speak to that personally. But I can't see how it isn't solved with root. I am on verizon prepaid but most likely keeping everything as is

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I can't speak to that personally. But I can't see how it isn't solved with root. I am on verizon prepaid but most likely keeping everything as is
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On XL when I turn it on, devices connect, but don't have a connection. I have the pixel and pixel XL. One on T-Mobile and the other on Verizon. I swapped Sims and same thing. T-Mobile works just fine on either phone.
Whichever one I put Verizon Sim in can't tether suddenly.
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Verizon version of the Pixel 2 XL & Tethering
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I'm have the Verizon version of the Pixel 2 XL and tethering works fine out of the box for me.
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I have it out of the box ....but I don't know why people think the VZ sold product is any different than the G-store item
Uhg..much reading later I think its going back...Seems the VZ version cannot get bootloader unlocked and if so it seems like a hell of a mess. Im just a simple flasher..or please correct me if I am wrong??

wiseguyy said:
I have it out of the box ....but I don't know why people think the VZ sold product is any different than the G-store item
Uhg..much reading later I think its going back...Seems the VZ version cannot get bootloader unlocked and if so it seems like a hell of a mess. Im just a simple flasher..or please correct me if I am wrong??
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Mine is the actual Google version, with Verizon service.
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Hey there I work for Verizon. So hotspot is disabled on prepaid $60 and $80 plans. As far as postpaid. They made it more complicated.
"Verizon unlimited"no longer available unless you switched to it from the beginning. This plan includes 15gb of high-speed hotspot/tether is included with this plan​ and will slow to unlimited 3g speeds after.You get 22gb of prioritized high speed lte. Now if your at a big event like a baseball game. Everyone who has Verizon there will be on the same tower. Those that are on this plan and have gone over the 22gb if data will experience a slower connection for the time period until they leave and connect to a different tower. Also includes calls to Mexico and Canada whether you're here or there. $85 bucks $80 with auto pay.
"Go unlimited" this plan has no high speed lte hotspot. But you have unlimited 3g hot spot. You are not prioritized, you can be slowed down on a busy tower wether you have used 1gb or 100gb of data. no Mexico no Canada. And 480p restriction for streaming. $80 bucks $75 with auto pay.
"Beyond unlimited" this is much like the first plan I listed. Everything is the same except there's a 720p restriction on streaming and it's $90 bucks $85 with autopay.
Hopefully you jumped on the first plan when u had the chance. All they accomplished by splitting the plan into two was confused the hell out of me. Lol. Let me know if you need anything else and answered. I'm always willing to help! I love verizon where I live. It's pretty much king here. I switched jobs and service from T-Mobile. I hate that my Pixel 2 XL is locked but it's probably a blessing in disguise knowing my luck.

Ives314 said:
Hey there I work for Verizon. So hotspot is disabled on prepaid $60 and $80 plans. As far as postpaid. They made it more complicated.
"Verizon unlimited"no longer available unless you switched to it from the beginning. This plan includes 15gb of high-speed hotspot/tether is included with this plan​ and will slow to unlimited 3g speeds after.You get 22gb of prioritized high speed lte. Now if your at a big event like a baseball game. Everyone who has Verizon there will be on the same tower. Those that are on this plan and have gone over the 22gb if data will experience a slower connection for the time period until they leave and connect to a different tower. Also includes calls to Mexico and Canada whether you're here or there. $85 bucks $80 with auto pay.
"Go unlimited" this plan has no high speed lte hotspot. But you have unlimited 3g hot spot. You are not prioritized, you can be slowed down on a busy tower wether you have used 1gb or 100gb of data. no Mexico no Canada. And 480p restriction for streaming. $80 bucks $75 with auto pay.
"Beyond unlimited" this is much like the first plan I listed. Everything is the same except there's a 720p restriction on streaming and it's $90 bucks $85 with autopay.
Hopefully you jumped on the first plan when u had the chance. All they accomplished by splitting the plan into two was confused the hell out of me. Lol. Let me know if you need anything else and answered. I'm always willing to help! I love verizon where I live. It's pretty much king here. I switched jobs and service from T-Mobile. I hate that my Pixel 2 XL is locked but it's probably a blessing in disguise knowing my luck.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but this thread is on the unlocked device and your post reads Sooo reads like a Straight On Advertisement for Verizon Service Plans...WTH??

wiseguyy said:
I have it out of the box ....but I don't know why people think the VZ sold product is any different than the G-store item
Uhg..much reading later I think its going back...Seems the VZ version cannot get bootloader unlocked and if so it seems like a hell of a mess. Im just a simple flasher..or please correct me if I am wrong??
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My understanding is, you can buy both the Google version and the Verizon version from Google. BUT, the Verizon version from Google IS locked and from all that I've read, it's locked REAL tight, like many other Verizon devices are.
I think the confusion stems from those buying it outright from Google presume their Verizon device will be unlocked, and it isn't. It's the exact same device you'd get if you walked into a Verizon store (I'm sure there's a ton of legal wording preventing Google from selling Verizon branded unlocked devices.
I'm not sure why anyone would pay the same for a locked device over a unlockable device. If you're never going to unlock it, get the unlockable one JUST IN CASE you change your mind, if not, it's a selling feature for the future.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit.

Az Biker said:
My understanding is, you can buy both the Google version and the Verizon version from Google. BUT, the Verizon version from Google IS locked and from all that I've read, it's locked REAL tight, like many other Verizon devices are.
I think the confusion stems from those buying it outright from Google presume their Verizon device will be unlocked, and it isn't. It's the exact same device you'd get if you walked into a Verizon store (I'm sure there's a ton of legal wording preventing Google from selling Verizon branded unlocked devices.
I'm not sure why anyone would pay the same for a locked device over a unlockable device. If you're never going to unlock it, get the unlockable one JUST IN CASE you change your mind, if not, it's a selling feature for the future.
Hopefully this clears things up a bit.
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Well I'm glad I didn't open it or break the bag seal it's gowing up on eBay tonight

wiseguyy said:
Well I'm glad I didn't open it or break the bag seal it's gowing up on eBay tonight
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What are you looking at getting next?

Az Biker said:
What are you looking at getting next?
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I'm fortunate I got a N8 and I have just ordered the same 128 device from G in Panda style hopefully that will fetch more than the just black model when I move on again next year...But I'm Sooo praying to that Beanstown comes to the PXL2 soon. Hell ASAP I ran his PN rom and it was the sh**.
The guy's just a ROM savant

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I'm fortunate I got a N8 and I have just ordered the same 128 device from G in Panda style hopefully that will fetch more than the just black model when I move on again next year...But I'm Sooo praying to that Beanstown comes to the PXL2 soon. Hell ASAP I ran his PN rom and it was the sh**.
The guy's just a ROM savant
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N8? Nokia 8?
No arguing how good Nate's Roms are... This is my 3rd device running PN.

Az Biker said:
N8? Nokia 8?
No arguing how good Nate's Roms are... This is my 3rd device running PN.
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Note 8... I'm simply dying to find out if and when he's going to roll over to the pxl 2

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Note 8... I'm simply dying to find out if and when he's going to roll over to the pxl 2
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In the event you didn't catch it in the 6P thread, he said he purchased a 2 XL.
I asked him if the development would be similar for the 2 and the 2 XL and he said absolutely.
So, it's coming

How do carriers stack up with the Pixel 2 XL?

Hi all,
I ask because there seem to be differences between the features offered. For example, my carrier, Sprint, doesn't support WiFi calling or simultaneous talk/surf on the Pixel 2. They just rolled out "Calling Plus", which supposedly does these things but only very few Sprint locked phones are supported yet. Worse still, I've heard that they'll never support the Pixels that way. This makes me want to switch but I like my cheap unlimited plan.
I've been trying Project Fi. I like it so far (it has those features I mentioned above) but I'm afraid it isn't very cost effective for my wife and I at 9.3gb/month average combined usage on Sprint. Fi isn't too far out of line for us and I like it's features but can we do better?
Do the other carriers support these features? Thanks for any insight on this as I would like to keep my Pixel and not have to switch to a Samsung.
Thanks!

I just switched to tmobile today from Verizon, $80 USD a month for 10gb tether, unlimited text, talk, and data.
I mainly wanted to switch to them for calls and texts over WiFi

Cool, this is exactly what I want to know. Is Sprint the only one that won't support WiFi calling on the Pixel? I'd like to know what T mobile charges for two phones with 10 gb. I'll check it out. Did you get the $325 cash card for bringing your Pixel?
Can I assume you can simultaneously talk/surf? That is supported at Fi but interestingly only when connected to T mobile, not Sprint.

Unlimited TMobile has been my go to for years! Including free international roaming, text & data...

I use total wireless at 60 bucks a month for 2 phones with 8 gig data .. on Verizon antennas.. no calling features, but I've read some people can get the tethering to work.. also FYI my pixel xl2 gets a more consistent signal and data through put than my XL ever dreamed about.. htc dropped the ball with the pixel XL radios. My main reason for this purchase

Thx all. Looks like Project Fi is about the same price as the current T-Mobile deal at our level of usage. The advantage with Fi is that you can choose carrier networks on the fly if one or the other isn't working at the moment. But if we use more data any particular month, it could get expensive. It works the other way too though as you pay for exactly what you use. With T-Mobile, in flight internet and Netflix are solid advantages.

26kick said:
Cool, this is exactly what I want to know. Is Sprint the only one that won't support WiFi calling on the Pixel? I'd like to know what T mobile charges for two phones with 10 gb. I'll check it out. Did you get the $325 cash card for bringing your Pixel?
Can I assume you can simultaneously talk/surf? That is supported at Fi but interestingly only when connected to T mobile, not Sprint.
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Nope, I got hosed on that deal and was pretty pissed about it. Do the deal was, you had till Nov 2nd to get up the line. I ordered my device on the 6th and received it on the 31st. So I had what? Two days to get in and switch my carrier? And some people that have ordered still havent even gotten theirs because of color choices.
Then again the associate didn't even know they had a promo for the new pixels, and took her twenty minutes to find any information about it. So I'm actually going to do some looking around on the **** I saw online to see if they have end dates.
Verizon has a terrible app that can allow texts over WiFi, it always worked like garbage for me, and like two samjunks and all the iPhones offer wifi calling on vzw. But to me, this might as well mean they don't offer it.
I also wanted to get away from having to use a device that can use cdma, cdma is old, and very much outdated, which only vzw and Sprint use.
So now, even if I descided to get a different phone, it opens up more device choices that I normally wouldn't have since all phones offer gsm support, but not always cdma
Also, if you have two lines on the unlimited all plan that I got, apparently you get a free Netflix account too.

If you're an old fogie like me, you can get 2 lines of unlimited everything on T-Mobile for $60/mo if one of you is 55+. If you know someone 55+ who you could share the plan with, it's a great deal.

Wifi calling and textimg works great for me on Verizon.
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dberthia said:
If you're an old fogie like me, you can get 2 lines of unlimited everything on T-Mobile for $60/mo if one of you is 55+. If you know someone 55+ who you could share the plan with, it's a great deal.
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That's decent. Wonder if it includes tethering.
I just checked, tethering is at 3G speeds.

TiltedAz said:
That's decent. Wonder if it includes tethering.
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No, think it's $10/month add-on for 10GB 4g, then throttled.

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No, think it's $10/month add-on for 10GB 4g, then throttled.
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Tethering is included, but at 3G speeds. You can pay additional for 4G.

26kick said:
Cool, this is exactly what I want to know. Is Sprint the only one that won't support WiFi calling on the Pixel? I'd like to know what T mobile charges for two phones with 10 gb. I'll check it out. Did you get the $325 cash card for bringing your Pixel?
Can I assume you can simultaneously talk/surf? That is supported at Fi but interestingly only when connected to T mobile, not Sprint.
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Do you happen to have access to one of the Sprint supported phones? With Verizon, I had to setup the WiFi calling on a Verizon branded phone first, set e911 address, and then when I switched my sim back into the pixel XL (og), the WiFi calling options showed up and worked fine.

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Wifi calling and textimg works great for me on Verizon.
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Same here. I'm not sure what Lawlrus is talking about in regards to wifi calling & texting on Verizon. What he's saying was true a couple years ago, but isn't with any recent phones on Verizon. Seems like his info is out of date. I've been using wifi calling & texting on Verizon for a while now through several phones, including the Pixel XL and Pixel 2 XL. Works great. I'm often in areas with weak signal, and being able to call and text over wifi allows me to put my phone in airplane mode to save on battery life. I've used it while traveling overseas as well.

Ask yourself this though. Is WiFi calling and simultaneously talking and having data really that necessary for you that it would be worth a possible price jump to another carrier? I'm with Sprint an hard actually talk on the phone enough to want or need either of those features.
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I was on Verizon for 6 years. I bought the Pixel 2 XL from Google so I decided to try Project Fi. It's ok, but there are too many issues with it that I just can't deal with. Wifi calling on speaker phone echos back the person on the other line to them, Google knows this is an issue with project fi, but can't seem to fix it. Sometime the call doesn't answer when you try and answer the phone, you can't hear the person on the other end. The tower switching just flat out sucks. In places where I get full bars on TMobile (which is like everywhere for me) some times it switches to Sprint which will have little to no service and I will need to force the phone back to TMobile. On my wife's phone which I also put on fi, she would be right next to me and she would be on a different tower. Made no sense. Even restarting the phone it wouldn't switch so we would need to force switch whichever phone was stuck on Sprint. I wanted so much to like project fi, but unfortunately it's just too much of a hassle. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I send an mms to someone it compresses the image to just a terrible image the size of a thumbnail. Again this is a known issue on Project fi that other people just deal with. I'm not interested in having a half ass phone carrier just to save some money. I would rather pay a little more for good consistent service.
I am switching to TMobile. I have 2 SIM cards coming. $120 (that includes taxes) per month for 2 lines, unlimited talk text data. Plus you get Netflix for free, so I can cancel my Netflix so I will save there too.
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Ask yourself this though. Is WiFi calling and simultaneously talking and having data really that necessary for you that it would be worth a possible price jump to another carrier? I'm with Sprint an hard actually talk on the phone enough to want or need either of those features.
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I have asked myself that time and time again. I now do work on a cruise ship and have no cell service but do have blazing wifi. With Sprint, not using an S8 or one of the 3 or so of their other phones that support Calling Plus, I'm completely in the dark for texts and calls for days at a time. These features are semi standard nowadays and are a requirement for me whereas before they we're a convenience. Believe me, I would much rather stay with Sprint.
I am interested in hearing this feedback on TMobile! Thanks everyone, please keep it coming.
One final question I have posed, though it is a little unusual, but I'd like to know if my wife's as yet unactivated, Android One (Project Fi) Moto X4 will work on TMobile as well as my Pixel 2 xl...and have all of the features. ??

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Do you happen to have access to one of the Sprint supported phones? With Verizon, I had to setup the WiFi calling on a Verizon branded phone first, set e911 address, and then when I switched my sim back into the pixel XL (og), the WiFi calling options showed up and worked fine.
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This is extremely interesting as both carriers are cdma. I don't have one of those phones. I've been told though, that a phone needs a specific software update to enable calling plus, which makes me doubtful of success.

What about simultaneous talk/surf, @Deuces?

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I was on Verizon for 6 years. I bought the Pixel 2 XL from Google so I decided to try Project Fi. It's ok, but there are too many issues with it that I just can't deal with. Wifi calling on speaker phone echos back the person on the other line to them, Google knows this is an issue with project fi, but can't seem to fix it. Sometime the call doesn't answer when you try and answer the phone, you can't hear the person on the other end. The tower switching just flat out sucks. In places where I get full bars on TMobile (which is like everywhere for me) some times it switches to Sprint which will have little to no service and I will need to force the phone back to TMobile. On my wife's phone which I also put on fi, she would be right next to me and she would be on a different tower. Made no sense. Even restarting the phone it wouldn't switch so we would need to force switch whichever phone was stuck on Sprint. I wanted so much to like project fi, but unfortunately it's just too much of a hassle. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I send an mms to someone it compresses the image to just a terrible image the size of a thumbnail. Again this is a known issue on Project fi that other people just deal with. I'm not interested in having a half ass phone carrier just to save some money. I would rather pay a little more for good consistent service.
I am switching to TMobile. I have 2 SIM cards coming. $120 (that includes taxes) per month for 2 lines, unlimited talk text data. Plus you get Netflix for free, so I can cancel my Netflix so I will save there too.
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Bummer about your experience with Fi. I don't think I've experienced those things yet. But I'm considering TMobile straight away based on our recent average data usage. We've been on unlimited for years with Sprint so for us to reprogram our habits into the hassle of finding and registering for (sometimes suspect) free WiFi networks feels like too much.
I agree, we just want good consistent service. The only downgrade I can see for us at TMobile with ONE plan would be streaming capped at 480p. Am I right?
Curious, why didn't you go back to Verizon, @tacopimp?
In any case, please let me/us know how it is when you activate your Tmobile SIMS!