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Current Best buy Smartwatch?

Greetings.
With me recently finding out about Samsungs new Galaxy Gear, i started looking into smart-watches again to see how they have progressed. I cant say i was particularity impressed with the G-Gear, especially given its bad battery life. I then found out about Qualcom's Toq, which seemed alittle better, but still felt like the Gear with its "i want to replace your phone" design. I think both of them rely too heavily on the touch screen and are trying to do too much, or rather, taking over too much functionality away from the phone.
After digging some more, i found the Pebble. Although i could see room for improvement (would like to see it in a metal frame and a color e-ink screen), it seems to mostly fit what i am looking for in a 'smart-watch'. Psychical buttons that can be used with gloves on, and an accessory, instead of a 'new device that happens to talk with your phone'.
Now, my main question is, is there a better quality smartwatch out there, that functions similarly to the pebble, or is the pebble pretty much the best thing at the moment in terms of simplicity? The $150 price is a smudge high, but i would consider it. The $299 price for the other two is just insane.
Thanks for your opinions and input.

The Kreyos meteor might be what you are looking for. It seems like they are going a step above the Pebble watch. I am personally waiting for the Google Gem to be announced before I decide on what watch to get.

samsung galaxy gear is only made available for samsung product.. i wouldnt really recommend that if you decide to go for other brand of phones..
i would recommend Sony Smartwatch 2 for that..
However, i don;t really see the point of getting a smartwatch? thats just my opinion... Perhaps you could get Pebble as its cheap...

andrewAwesome said:
samsung galaxy gear is only made available for samsung product.. i wouldnt really recommend that if you decide to go for other brand of phones..
i would recommend Sony Smartwatch 2 for that..
However, i don;t really see the point of getting a smartwatch? thats just my opinion... Perhaps you could get Pebble as its cheap...
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My main point of getting one, is music control while im riding my motorcycle. It would be useful to change tracks and such without pulling my phone out (which requires unzipping my jacket, then unzipping the pocket it is in). It would also be a lazy convenience to do that while im walking.
Going back to the bike, i think it would be the only way i would know im getting a call/text while riding due to it being attached directly to me. I couldn't answer it right away, but i would know one came in so i could pull over and respond if needed. This is also why i wanted the psychical buttons, as i wear riding gloves, which make it pretty difficult to use a touchscreen without removing them.
However, to your question, i dont doubt that piratical smartwatch use is pretty situational and in most cases is just a neat toy.

Oh, smartwatch is not a neat toy. Once you start using one - it will become a part of your lifestyle. Just think about how many times a day do you pull out your phone to check if you got email? Or how many times you take your phone out to see who is calling? Or to read a text message? Or to switch a track on your music player? Or when you are in a movie theater or during a meeting and phone is on mute while you missed a call? Or when you are at the game or in a crowded place and you missed a call? Or when you walked out of the car or restaurant or home and left a phone in there? The list can go on and on. Smartwatch becomes a remote extension/display/notifier that resolves all these problems above just by glancing at your wrist.
I have an older MetaWatch smartwatch, and I can't imagine a day without at work or at home. Plus, it saves your phone so many time when you don't need to pull it out all the time. Not to mention the phones are getting bigger and bigger. Even with a decent case on my Note 2, I'm OK during the summer, but when winter rolls around and I have to reach out through layers to get to my phone - forget about it.
Now, with all the choices you have to be careful. Smartwatch has to be water/splash resistant. Watch is meant to be worn outside. You get into the rain, or forget and wash dishes with it or get splattered around the pool - it's done! Also, with too much tech in the bracelet which is not replaceable - you bump it, and your screwed. That's why I'm crossing Gear off my list. Pebble, HOT, Agent and Kreoys are toys in comparison to all the upcoming stuff. The one to watch out for is Omate TrueSmart http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...t-water-resistant-standalone-smartwa?ref=live and Sony SW2. In my opinion, Omate is the only way to go right now. Never mind that you can put your GSM sim card inside (although that will drain your battery), it a pure rugged android experience on your wrist with out of this world support and a number of XDA community jumping into development already. Not to mention an outstanding spec:
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vectron said:
Oh, smartwatch is not a neat toy. Once you start using one - it will become a part of your lifestyle. Just think about how many times a day do you pull out your phone to check if you got email? Or how many times you take your phone out to see who is calling? Or to read a text message? Or to switch a track on your music player? Or when you are in a movie theater or during a meeting and phone is on mute while you missed a call? Or when you are at the game or in a crowded place and you missed a call? Or when you walked out of the car or restaurant or home and left a phone in there? The list can go on and on. Smartwatch becomes a remote extension/display/notifier that resolves all these problems above just by glancing at your wrist.
I have an older MetaWatch smartwatch, and I can't imagine a day without at work or at home. Plus, it saves your phone so many time when you don't need to pull it out all the time. Not to mention the phones are getting bigger and bigger. Even with a decent case on my Note 2, I'm OK during the summer, but when winter rolls around and I have to reach out through layers to get to my phone - forget about it.
Now, with all the choices you have to be careful. Smartwatch has to be water/splash resistant. Watch is meant to be worn outside. You get into the rain, or forget and wash dishes with it or get splattered around the pool - it's done! Also, with too much tech in the bracelet which is not replaceable - you bump it, and your screwed. That's why I'm crossing Gear off my list. Pebble, HOT, Agent and Kreoys are toys in comparison to all the upcoming stuff. The one to watch out for is Omate TrueSmart http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...t-water-resistant-standalone-smartwa?ref=live and Sony SW2. In my opinion, Omate is the only way to go right now. Never mind that you can put your GSM sim card inside (although that will drain your battery), it a pure rugged android experience on your wrist with out of this world support and a number of XDA community jumping into development already. Not to mention an outstanding spec:
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That watch looks kind of overkill really. Im not really looking for a 'phone away from my phone' in a watch. Just an accessory to my phone, that offers me easier control over my phone. The buttons on the side are promising, but until i know how i can use them, or if i can use them to control apps, they are worthless. A major selling point for me in a smart watch, would be that it wouldn't be reliant, or heavily reliant, on its touch screen. Basically, if i can have it on my wrist, while music is playing on my phone, and all i have to do is hit a button to advance a track, without looking at the phone, then that would be a major selling point for me. Having it show me incoming calls and texts, while vibrating on my wrist for notification is also a major plus. Everything else is just fluff to me.
On another note, i really dont see the use or point of putting camreas on these things. Its a major waste of space and another point that it can be damaged. Aside from a microphone (and maybe a speaker), the only external feature i think would be neat would be an LED light aimed out the right side (not the top, as that would be awkward to hold your arm up just to shine a light). Though the problem with that is with putting buttons on that side, theirs not really any room to put it.
Would also be nice if they could make a round one, and not all of them be square. but thats just aesthetics for me.

With Omate when it comes to smartphone, it's really an afterthought since you don't have to put sim card in. Regarding music player, I'm pretty sure they will have some customized control where you can just swipe left/right to change the track or maybe map two buttons on the right side. The camera is just a bonus, and it's very discrete, not just like that Gear-bump.
From what you describing, you probably would like the MetaWatch: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2332764 - that's the one I'm wearing right now. BUT, as much as I like it, I wouldn't recommend it to you in comparison to everything else that's available or coming up. MetaWatch (from Fossils guy) was fantastic, but they dropped the ball on sw support, relying on community edition software developed by users. That software was developed for older firmware version, and once MetaWatch firmware was updated - community edition software didn't keep up with it.

Can't wait when Omate TrueSmart will be available on the market. I started to dream about android-watch after trying the old iPod nano with wristlet.Sad that apple stopped manufacturing it.

MetaWatch is coming to Best Buy next week

Seem Nice ! Someone try it with an iphone ?

gianlucab said:
Seem Nice ! Someone try it with an iphone ?
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MetaWatch? I think its integration with iPhone is better than with android. At least from what I have seen on YT. YT has a lot of clips with demos and comparison.

vectron said:
MetaWatch? I think its integration with iPhone is better than with android. At least from what I have seen on YT. YT has a lot of clips with demos and comparison.
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Also seems like a step backwards as far as screen tech goes. Looks like an older calculator watch screen lol.

Lyian said:
Also seems like a step backwards as far as screen tech goes. Looks like an older calculator watch screen lol.
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Yeah, its not as fancy as other upcoming smartwatches. MetaWatch is over a year old project, with Fossil guys behind it's design. One thing for sure, its super durable and highly visible in any direct sunlight because of its reflective display technology.

pebble!

Is this normal? Screen quality issue? (Looks very pixelated)

So I just got a new Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 from amazon, the first one they sent had dead pixels on it so I sent it back for a replacement. My second one came and things are looking pretty good except I've noticed the screen just doesn't look very crisp/sharp and icons/text look very pixelated when compared to my 3rd generation iPad or my new Nexus 5's screen. I took screen shots (of the lock screen, home screen, settings, etc..) on the note 10.1 and loaded it up on the iPad and the same screen shots look much sharper/better than on the iPad's screen. I believe the first one I got (with the dead pixels) had about the same pixelation/quality. It is very apparent when I look at the battery icon in the corner, it is appears very jagged and pixelated.
Before I go for another replacement, I'm wondering if the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 is suppose to look like this or if both units I got just had issues with the screens. For a tablet with 2560x1600 resolution, I would have thought the picture quality would be much better (on par with the iPad or my nexus 5), but when I compare the screen quality of the note 10.1's to my iPad or my Nexus 5 it doesn't even come close.
Edit: Added photos with phone's camera (not great due to how poorly cameras generally capture lcd screens, but I think it shows what I'm talking about).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yv8lp4tj9l6ftx/Galaxy%20Note%20Screen.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z735p1n4swmzj7z/Galaxy%20Note%20Screen%20%282%29.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yk87yermiinnmj2/3rd%20gen%20iPad%20with%20Galaxy%20Note%20Screen%20Shot.jpg

Well, I figured out the issue, the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 uses a PenTile RGBW screen. This causes me to basically see a checkerboard of pixels everywhere, it was more apparent with the green battery indicator icon. Not sure why they would use this technology, but I guess I'll have to look into a different tablet. Its a shame because I was quite looking forward to the Note 10.1.

I wish my eyes were good enough to see the individual pixels on the note 2014 display.
To me the battery icon looks solid green with no pixellation

You can see it if you out your eyes on the screen
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Ok, I see the issue now, I decided to read up about it some more, here is a bit of a technical blog post. A person was explaining an issue similar to mine with Pentile's technology and they replied, in rather in depth detail http://pentileblog.com/oled/pentile-and-sharp-eyesight/
And I would highly suggest not putting your faces so close to the screens, you people are talking about 3 inches away, which is crazy, I took a tape measure and my eyes were really straining/hurting at about 3-4 inches, would imagine that not to be healthy for the eyes. My "close" viewing distance (if I'm holding it or laying down) is about 8-14 inches. My normal viewing distance (if its on my lap or the table) is about 19-23 inches (I took a tape measure to attempt to get an accurate measurement). At both my "close" and "normal" viewing distance I can see the checkerboard pattern on most solid colors (largely depends on the color) areas like backgrounds, text, and icons quite clearly.
So this seems like it would only effect certain individuals (would like to apologize to daddydark as I thought the issue was more wide spread). This is quite a disappointment for me as I am in the market for a new tablet and I have been interested in the galaxy note line for quite some time (hardly anyone puts a decent active stylus on their tablets). The Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 seemed like a great choice with great specs, great listed resolution, reliable active stylus. Guess I'll have to look into a different product (the screen is just too distracting for me unfortunately).

But the screens amazing!!!
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choji7 said:
Ok, I see the issue now, I decided to read up about it some more, here is a bit of a technical blog post. A person was explaining an issue similar to mine with Pentile's technology and they replied, in rather in depth detail http://pentileblog.com/oled/pentile-and-sharp-eyesight/
And I would highly suggest not putting your faces so close to the screens, you people are talking about 3 inches away, which is crazy, I took a tape measure and my eyes were really straining/hurting at about 3-4 inches, would imagine that not to be healthy for the eyes. My "close" viewing distance (if I'm holding it or laying down) is about 8-14 inches. My normal viewing distance (if its on my lap or the table) is about 19-23 inches (I took a tape measure to attempt to get an accurate measurement). At both my "close" and "normal" viewing distance I can see the checkerboard pattern on most solid colors (largely depends on the color) areas like backgrounds, text, and icons quite clearly.
So this seems like it would only effect certain individuals (would like to apologize to daddydark as I thought the issue was more wide spread). This is quite a disappointment for me as I am in the market for a new tablet and I have been interested in the galaxy note line for quite some time (hardly anyone puts a decent active stylus on their tablets). The Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 seemed like a great choice with great specs, great listed resolution, reliable active stylus. Guess I'll have to look into a different product (the screen is just too distracting for me unfortunately).
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The problem is you can look at every tablet out there, and non have the same resolution with pen support. Sad but true.

There's nothing wrong the screen, you can only see the pixels if you look at distances your not suppose too, and I have a keen eye
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skyline23 said:
The problem is you can look at every tablet out there, and non have the same resolution with pen support. Sad but true.
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There is Toshiba eXcite Write

Thread Cleaned.... Please stay on topic without disrespecting other users... Thanks!

Apple troll Good luck. And Good riddance.

I can see the pixels

So, I went to a local best buy and we were both staring at the same screen (the sales rep an I), I asked him he could see the pixelation and he said he couldn't but I could, so oh well, at least he wasn't rude about it. After some research and looking at other options I will keep the tablet as it was exactly what I wanted and I will just buy like a Nexus 7 for recreational use (where I am most likely to notice the pixelation).
Since most people here really seem to be very rude or disrespectful about this topic, I would appreciate if people just stop posting in this thread (aka let it die), as it doesn't seem to be an issue with the product but with my eyes.

daddydark said:
I can see the pixels
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This guy really confuses me. Wasn't he the one being disrespectful about you being able to see the pixels? Oh well. I think the opinion of a sales rep won't really be of any help because they will say anything to get you to buy something considering that they probably work on commission. I can see the pixels, but I learned to live with it because I use the GS3 which also has the same pentile technology.

choji7 said:
So, I went to a local best buy and we were both staring at the same screen (the sales rep an I), I asked him he could see the pixelation and he said he couldn't but I could, so oh well, at least he wasn't rude about it. After some research and looking at other options I will keep the tablet as it was exactly what I wanted and I will just buy like a Nexus 7 for recreational use (where I am most likely to notice the pixelation).
Since most people here really seem to be very rude or disrespectful about this topic, I would appreciate if people just stop posting in this thread (aka let it die), as it doesn't seem to be an issue with the product but with my eyes.
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Good luck to you fella, with eyes that keen I hope you find a job in law enforcement or something for the better good of society. Anyone hoping to steal a march over you better not reply upon Samsung.

I went to best buy and the sales guy said he could see my retina in my left eye, I couldn't. Something must be wrong with my note 2014 edition.

choji7 said:
So, I went to a local best buy and we were both staring at the same screen (the sales rep an I), I asked him he could see the pixelation and he said he couldn't but I could, so oh well, at least he wasn't rude about it. After some research and looking at other options I will keep the tablet as it was exactly what I wanted and I will just buy like a Nexus 7 for recreational use (where I am most likely to notice the pixelation).
Since most people here really seem to be very rude or disrespectful about this topic, I would appreciate if people just stop posting in this thread (aka let it die), as it doesn't seem to be an issue with the product but with my eyes.
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choji,
I have to get very close to see ANY pixilation. And I need a 6x magnifier to see it as well as the pictures you posted. But; I can't see near as well as I could 40 years ago either.
If you see enough to bother you from 12", then you have far better eyesight than most of us. There's nothing wrong with your eyes. That's the good news. The bad news is, you will be far more conscious of normal pixilation than others are. If I could have sight that good, I'd be willing to live with the pixilation on the icons.
Please don't read any rudeness or disrespect into my comments, none is intended.

If I may interject...
choji7 is specifically referring to the moire pattern visible on the green battery indicator on the shots of the samsung. But there is an explanation. And its not what he thinks.
The "live" battery indicator does have a crosshatch pattern. That is NOT a result of the pixel arrangement. It is the way the battery indicator was designed.
If you capture the screen, which he did in order to display it on an iPad, the Note seems to take a much lower res capture than the actual screen resolution. You can see this yourself if you capture a launcher screen, then show it in the gallery and then switch back to the live launcher. If you switch back and forth between the launcher and the gallery, you can't help but see that the capture is low res and lossy. The edges of icons look smooth on the launcher, but you will see edge pixels on the capture AND, most importantly, the battery indicator will magically be SOLID in the capture. So of course, if he displays the capture on the iPad, it will not show the pattern in the battery indicator as the capture eliminated it. If you look at the same capture on the Note, the battery indicator looks identical to the way it looks on the iPad. Its especially apparent if you enlarge the capture to show the battery indicator. It becomes a solid patch of green.
Mystery solved. Nothing wrong with the Note 10.1 screen.
My question is why is the default screen capture on the Note saving a very lossy, low-res image and how can you change it to lossless? I don't see an option to change that. The screen captures it made were tiny files of 3.7 MB PNG format. It should have been a much larger file at 2560x1600.

jaytee23 said:
If I may interject...
choji7 is specifically referring to the moire pattern visible on the green battery indicator on the shots of the samsung. But there is an explanation. And its not what he thinks.
The "live" battery indicator does have a crosshatch pattern. That is NOT a result of the pixel arrangement. It is the way the battery indicator was designed.
If you capture the screen, which he did in order to display it on an iPad, the Note seems to take a much lower res capture than the actual screen resolution. You can see this yourself if you capture a launcher screen, then show it in the gallery and then switch back to the live launcher. If you switch back and forth between the launcher and the gallery, you can't help but see that the capture is low res and lossy. The edges of icons look smooth on the launcher, but you will see edge pixels on the capture AND, most importantly, the battery indicator will magically be SOLID in the capture. So of course, if he displays the capture on the iPad, it will not show the pattern in the battery indicator as the capture eliminated it. If you look at the same capture on the Note, the battery indicator looks identical to the way it looks on the iPad. Its especially apparent if you enlarge the capture to show the battery indicator. It becomes a solid patch of green.
Mystery solved. Nothing wrong with the Note 10.1 screen.
My question is why is the default screen capture on the Note saving a very lossy, low-res image and how can you change it to lossless? I don't see an option to change that. The screen captures it made were tiny files of 3.7 MB PNG format. It should have been a much larger file at 2560x1600.
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That's actually not the design of the battery icon. Rather, the battery icon looks like that because of the technology of the screen used. Samsung decided to put a RGBW matrix screen rather than the traditional RGB matrix. You can see the difference in the review gsmarena did comparing the iPad Retina and the Note 10.1 2014. Here are the pics showing the matrices.
This is the traditional RGB matrix:
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choji7 said:
So, I went to a local best buy and we were both staring at the same screen (the sales rep an I), I asked him he could see the pixelation and he said he couldn't but I could, so oh well, at least he wasn't rude about it. After some research and looking at other options I will keep the tablet as it was exactly what I wanted and I will just buy like a Nexus 7 for recreational use (where I am most likely to notice the pixelation).
Since most people here really seem to be very rude or disrespectful about this topic, I would appreciate if people just stop posting in this thread (aka let it die), as it doesn't seem to be an issue with the product but with my eyes.
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I agree that some people have been disrespectful to you, I think most (inc myself) just find it hard to believe you can see any pixels on a screen which has the best screen possible in the tablet market. If you see pixels on this then surely you would see them on every tablet since the all have lower resolution. Anyways glad you decided to keep it and I hope you enjoy it as much as I have....I love it.
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The only thing I noticed when I seen the the Note 10.1 on display at a local electronics store (Bare in mind it was very very heavily lit area) was these faint white/crystal matrix lines running all along the entire screen from top to bottom and the viewing angle had to be pretty precise to see it and had to focus on it a lot - LOL.
Basically imagine the RGBW matrix that notebooko just posted, identical to that however very faint. But it seems as though it was on the screen since the screen was on and thats when I seen it.
I havent been able to recreate it in the house but curious to what it is. Just a guess but maybe it could be some sort of filer for the RGBW display or something.

TMobile LG G5 vs. TMobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge - Some Guy's Review

PURPOSE
So 1st and foremost, the plan here is to give you my experience with these 2 phones. Granted, I have only used the LG G5 for about 2 days now and can't say I have truly put it to task. This will be a unbiased look and comparison. I'm neither a fanboy or sheep. No brand affiliation. Not a programmer either, just a pro-sumer Senior Member of XDA willing to get trolled, flamed, etc. for sharing a look at these 2 phones. Hopefully, I can give "the everyday guy / gal look" without getting bogged down in stats, variables or benchmarks. Here goes...
MY BACKGROUND
No one special. Just a guy that likes the latest tech... phones being at the top of the list. I am a nerd. No doubt about that. I think anyone that knows about XDA probably is to some extent. No brand loyalty. Recently, I have had the privilege to try out the following phones:
1. LG G5
2. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
3. Huawei Mate 8
4. Huawei Nexus 6P
5. LG Nexus 5X
6. Samsung Note 5
7. Apple iPhone 6s+
And probably some more, but these are the most recent. Does that make me qualified to make a review... Maybe. It does make me an idiot that likes new phones, though. I am always looking for something that meets my needs but also is a good phone. Currently with TMobile but have been with ATT, Verizon & Sprint at some point 20 years of using cell phones.
MY NEEDS
I drive about 40 miles everyday to work (yes, my work week is currently 7 days a week with a few occasional days off). So, with this in mind and where I drive. I need the minimum requirements:
1. Can Stream Music
2. Bluetooth is fully compatible with my 2016 vehicle
3. An equalizer of some sort since I have only switch out my new cars speakers for better ones and don't plan on changing or adding a better sound system.
4. Decent pictures when needed
5. As a nerd, I like to "mesmerize" people with a pay with your phone app like Apple Pay or Android Pay
6. Works with my Huawei Watch
7. Relatively not laggy - will sometimes do some ROM-ing or some customization but since I tend to get rid of the phones quickly I try not to void warranties or make it too non-stock
THE COMPARISON
I am looking at my experience with the LG G5 and Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge under around these requirements and some normal stuff like battery, screen, snappiness, heat, speakers, etc. Here goes:
SOUND OVERALL
Both the S7 Edge and the LG G5 pass my car test. Both successfully hook up with the bluetooth in my Honda and work with the steering wheel controls. Sound-wise through bluetooth, the LG G5 is noticeably louder even with my equalizer app, Bass Boost Pro, overlayed to give my car some nice bass and equalization. The S7 Edge also tends to be less stable with the Bass Boost Pro App sometimes leading it to crash and causing the volume to go insanely high... only bad thing when you use an app not built into the UI of the phone. To note, I could not find a "stock" equalizer in the LG G5 UI. Touchwiz has it own set of equalization but they work horribly, but Bass Boost Pro does work over top of that which was not successful with Lollipop versions of Touchwiz. The S7 edge also tends to "pop" and "crack" every so often too. I listen to heavy metal and hard rock, so I play the stuff loud (Is there any other way to listen? haha). The LG G5 performs better, needs less power to the speakers to be louder and does not have the annoying "your going to go deaf warning" every time you restart the phone. I don't listen to music with headphones because I don't workout with music, run, swim or whatever you kids do know a days that you need a wired headphone. I listen to music the good ole' 'merican way - loud, in my car, with the windows down as much as possible so my devil music infects everyone around it... haha. Seriously, though someone who has experience with headphones can chime in if they want. LG G5's external speakers hands down are just better then the S7 Edge, but that's not saying much considering the speaker on the S7 is like the horn on a 1870's phonograph so it doesn't take much to beat it, basically they are stereo and loud on the G5 so its better.
WINNER: LG G5
BATTERY
Here goes, the LG G5 battery is not as good as the S7 Edge in all accounts. It may come close after being conditioned and after having a few charge cycles but overall it would never last as long as the S7 does. However, its removable and everyone can get a free one with a separate charger. Yes, you will have to carry around 2 batteries to last as long as the S7 Edge but that also means they are replaceable if the battery deteriorates over time. Not going to hit you with stats, battery screen captures, etc. It is what it is and no amount of stats change it.
WINNER: IT'S A TIE AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET A 2ND BATTERY & CHARGER FOR FREE FROM LG, OTHERWISE SAMSUNG S7 EDGE WINS.
HEAT
The LG G5 when taxed does heat up more so then the S7 Edge. During the initial setup when I lit up the Wifi for hours downloading stuff onto the phone it got hot, not going to 3rd degree HTC / Sony burn you white hot but hot nonetheless. The S7 Edge just does not get that hot. (Maybe cause it is underclocked? Just kidding...) Obviously, the metal/plastic body transfers heat to the outside of the phone faster with the LG G5 rather than the glass/ metal combo on the S7... however I did not get a warning like I did on the LG G5 when it was a little hot like I did the couple of times with the S7 Edge. Either way, it seems Samsung's intercooling system "edges" out here (no pun intended... well, maybe)
WINNER: SAMSUNG S7 EDGE
SNAPPINESS
I like to say snappiness rather than "performance" because I am not going to throw up "AnTuTu-ning-Out of this Review Scores" or any other clocking test. Talking real world. Even though both run the same processor with the same amount of RAM, the LG G5 is more snappy and responsive... My reasoning... Touchwiz and bloat. I was even running the S7 Edge with a number of bloat disabled and it still lags here and there. On both, I replaced the stock launchers with Xpirit's HTC Sense 7 for all devices... I like the Blinkfeed Sense Launcher... Yes I'm weird... but I don't really see anyone making a Touchwiz Launcher for all phones thread so I must not be the only one. The only game I play is Clash Royale right now. Both run it fine without heating up too bad. The interface seems to have more customization for the LG G5 UX even though I could not function without the app drawer, thus a custom launcher over top. Stock launcher wise I would give Touchwiz the Edge on that. Why Samsung do you ruin a phone with excessive bloat and unuseful apps that are so deeply entrenched into the UI? I cannot answer that question. I know that the LG G5 does not have a ton of bloat (at least the TMobile Variant doesn't, sorry AT&T customers) and has a bunch of useful additions (like smart settings and the always-on display). Also, things that I disable stay disabled without requiring a special app (I'm "looking" at you stupid LookOut Security) and more so, things can be actually fully uninstalled. With a bunch of different things disabled on the S7 as compared to the G5, it still lags more. When compared to something that really hasn't lag once since setup, it is something to say for the LG G5
WINNER: LG G5
DISPLAY
Ok. Samsung makes good displays. This is known the world over. LG isn't too shabby either. When I look at displays, I look at how they look but also how they work for me. The LG G5 always-on display is awesome and not an after-thought like on the S7. All notifications update on the always on display and in conjunction with the led notification. It's a good 1 - 2 punch. The edge screen is pretty nice too on the S7 just not overly useful. Colors are better on the S7. Auto brightness just works better on the LG G5... can't say why. it just does. I also tie-in the fingerprint sensor here. Its lightning fast on the LG G5 and I like the rear of the phone placement like the Huawei Mate 8 & Huawei Nexus 6P. The one on the S7 is fast when it doesn't lag, thanks again TouchWiz. Both LED's are bright and functional. Yes, the LG G5 has black light bleed on the edge of the phones. You will see people in reviews going crazy over this... I have 2 bags filled with something as to how much this honestly effects me (the something is Dicks). Once again, real world stuff that effects me.
WINNER: FUNCTIONALITY LG G5... PRETTINESS SAMSUNG S7
PHONE DESIGN
Here's where I am going to give a honest opinion and not this knee jerk, I haven't looked at it, Samsung Fanboy comment. Yes, the S7 edge is a pretty looking phone, designed well and has niceties like wireless charging. With that said, the G5 is not an ugly phone, its just a first attempt of something different and completely different direction for LG. With that said, could they have done a little more, maybe. Could they have come clean about the metal / plastic backing before putting it out there that it is all metal, of course they could have. Ergonomically, the G5 feels better in the hand and if I hold it around the edges the screen doesn't go haywire (oops AND I know Samsung is going to fix this). I have the Gold LG G5, which I quickly put a Ringke Slim Black Matte Case on, looks cooler with the case which says that yes the design is a little lacking. Its like looking at Kirsten Dunst... You would bang her if she was right there in front of you wanting it... however, if it was between her and lets say Megan Fox, yeah you would chose Megan Fox.... Not that Kirsten is hideous but she's not Megan Fox. Also much like Kirsten, there's things to like and not like about the LG G5's appearance. I think the "chin" as it is being called is like Kirsten teeth, some find them intolerable others find them cute. The dual camera and sensor setup on the back is not bad looking either but some find it slightly out of place. I don't mind either and with the case it looks a lot better (yes, I know the "pig" analogy here about "dressing up..." kinda of rude to call Kirsten a "pig" though, hahaha)
WINNER: SAMSUNG S7
CAMERA
Last and for some not least is the camera comparison. I place it last because I cannot say it enough... if you want good photos use an actual camera, point & shoot or DSLR. A phone camera is a substitute for a DSLR like Channing Frye is a substitute for LeBron James... yes, Channing might get the job done but in a big game you want LeBron. Cameras on phones are progressing to be better however they will always have 1 thing they can't overcome... that's physics. Plain and simple. You will never achieve what a big camera does because its bigger. Sensor, the lens, etc. is bigger captures more light, bigger surface area for the chip to absorb the image, etc. That's why I place this last. I look at a phone camera to be functional, take good pictures in a pinch or a setting where I can't take a bigger camera or just don't want to. I know what the limitations are and understand that I'm not going to be Ansel Adams with it. Therefore, I have not taken many pictures with either. The lens F-stop is better on the S7 Edge and thus let in more light leading to better overall pictures in low light. Physics not opinion. (thanks $30000 art institute degree) Dual Camera allows for wider field of view on the G5 due to the dual cameras. Once again, physics. At the end of the day, its what you need and how much more you will use it. Like to take pictures in bars of your friends drinking too much and getting wasted, probably the S7 is better for you. Like to take pictures of vistas outside with your phone thinking your Ansel Adams only to realize he use far superior equipment to take his pictures over 70 years ago, the G5's camera is your ticket
WINNER: IT'S A TIE AS I DON'T HAVE A REAL OPINION JUST YET
CONCLUSION
For me, the LG G5 is a nice phone and on par with the S7 Edge. It will work for me until I get to compare it hopefully to the high end M10 from HTC. Will it be everyone's cup of tea, no. And that's why there's options for everyone to choose what they like. Options are like opinions are like something else everyone has... I personally would say from a everyday usage standpoint, the LG G5 wins out. From a Megan Fox, Jennifer Aniston, Emily "To Long for a Jersey" Ratajkowski standpoint, the Samsung S7 Edge is where it is at... just remember though with all that beauty comes some high maintenance. There's nothing wrong with a Kirsten Dunst, Melissa Benoist, Kaley Cuoco phone... in fact, it might even surprise you in the end... (i.e. check out some photos of those 3 on the internet... haha)
As always please comment, thanks again! :good:

I'm really starting to like my G5. I think the thing that is really winning me over is how snappy everything is combined with some nice customization options with the virtual buttons. I also put a clear case on it and it looks rather sleek. The camera is miles ahead of my OnePlus One. I do wish the battery was bigger but with how my One's battery started to go to crap after 18 months, I really wanted to go back to a phone with a user replaceable battery.
Overall, I think I made the right choice for me. I can't go back to Samsung's lag even if the S7 Edge is pretty freaking amazing. It all comes down to your personal priorities.
Thanks for doing a direct comparison between the two phones.

Thanks for sharing your impressions :good: I've quoted you in my S7 vs. G5 thread in the S7/S7E section.

I loved your review. Finally a unbiased review. I have myself gone thru a ton of phones to decide which one i wanted.
Nexus 6p
Nexus 5x
Lg v10
Nexus 6
Ive returned or sold all of them and preordered the lg g5 coming in monday.
I can say all of them have great qualities and bad qualities. None are perfect. The 6p came close but the bending issue scared me and it was too big.
Im really excited for the g5.

aknotts415 said:
I loved your review. Finally a unbiased review. I have myself gone thru a ton of phones to decide which one i wanted.
Nexus 6p
Nexus 5x
Lg v10
Nexus 6
Ive returned or sold all of them and preordered the lg g5 coming in monday.
I can say all of them have great qualities and bad qualities. None are perfect. The 6p came close but the bending issue scared me and it was too big.
Im really excited for the g5.
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I have to say the closes I have come to a "perfect" phone is the Huawei Mate 8... if it wasn't for the fact that Android Pay doesn't work, it ia one of the best running phones... Can't wait to see the P9 Max with the Leica Camera... looks sweet
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Huawei-P9-press-image-of-the-phones-dual-camera-setup-and-fingerprint-scanner-surfaces_id79873
Until that phones gets announced next week & the HTC 10, I'll be happy with my G5 & free 360 Camera (already put in for the rebate)... has anyone confirmed if the 360 camera will work with other phones?
I know the apk may only show up in the app store if you have an LG G5 but I'm sure apkmirror will have it... just need someone to try it that has the camera with a different phone... :good: :fingers-crossed:

First phone I've had that beat the 6s
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Stocklone said:
I'm really starting to like my G5. I think the thing that is really winning me over is how snappy everything is combined with some nice customization options with the virtual buttons. I also put a clear case on it and it looks rather sleek. The camera is miles ahead of my OnePlus One. I do wish the battery was bigger but with how my One's battery started to go to crap after 18 months, I really wanted to go back to a phone with a user replaceable battery.
Overall, I think I made the right choice for me. I can't go back to Samsung's lag even if the S7 Edge is pretty freaking amazing. It all comes down to your personal priorities.
Thanks for doing a direct comparison between the two phones.
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I upgraded to an S7E last Thursday. During my lunch break today, however, I returned it and got a G5. It's only been a couple of hours, but it's already growing on me. I wasn't immediately hooked on it as I was with the S7E. It's been gradual: the more I use it, the more I like it. I'm not going to lie: the S7E does feel more premium than the G5 -everything from its heft when you hold it, to it's overall design. I also found the edge screen useful. But I realized I can accomplish the same tasks on my G5 that are possible on the S7E if I use a good launcher and widgets. The S7E was also a tad to big for my hands. It was uncomfortable for me to use with just one hand. The G5, on the other hand, is the perfect size for my hand. The G5 does feel faster than the S7E, and even though I've only taken a couple of photos, I like its camera more, too. The interchangeable battery is what ultimately did it for me. I enjoy having that option way too much. Another deciding factor? Innovation. I value that highly. I think LG is onto something, and it's rewarding to see a company willing to innovate as LG has done with the G5.

I also felt the LG G5 was much more responsive and snappy than the S7 Edge. Great review, enjoyed the read.
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I agree with just about everything. The one thing I'll add is the unlock process is even snappier on the G5. I had the S6 edge and the the S7 edge (for about 3 weeks) and found the fingerprint sensor to lag at times and even sometimes not recognize my fingerprint. Yes, I tried deleting and redoing my fingerprint over and over but still had the same problem. Typically, it wasn't bad. Just not as quick as the G5. Also, to me, the sensor on the G5 was in a more comfortable position when I picked up the phone. I also liked the fact that you can double-tap the screen if it's laying flat on a desk and then use a pattern if you don't want to use the sensor. Double tapping the screen also puts it into standby mode rather than hunting for the power button.
And lastly, the AOD on the G5 is much more useful. I have many apps that give me notifications (not just missed calls and texts) so the ability to see which app is causing a notification without turning the phone on is huge. It's possible Samsung has a software update to correct this limitation, but for now G5 AOD is much more useful.

Hi.. noobie here, but long time lurker.
Just got a G5 from a G4 and so far i'm pleased. Was wanting either a S7 or S7E since the Note 7 died that horrible death. I do like the smaller form factor and it is pretty zippy. However, at times, the speeds online are slow, but side by side, when faster, it beats my G4 on Ookla's speedtest.

Interesting comparison. I've been using a G5 for a few months now with one having been stolen and the other a cracked screen from a crazy concert fall lol. Instead of using insurance for a second time I've opted to get a Nexus 6P used to try something different. I'm still not sure if I'd rather just get my G5 fixed. There are some major things I'm missing on it. How would you compare the 6P against the G5?

OnePlus 5T vs Razer Phone... Help me pick

First, I'd like to say it's been a LONG time since my last post lol...
I currently have an iPhone 6S Plus and it's showing it's age. If I were to go with an iPhone 8 Plus it would just be the same old phone I have. Not worth $800+ to me.
So I kinda accidentally bought an iPhone X... hated it.
I returned the iPhone X which you can read about why here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7bfm69/my_quick_iphone_x_review/
Next the Note 8 caught my eye ever since I saw it on display in a store. It was a great phone. I didn't have any major issues with it. Except for the one simple fact of managing notifications (mostly texts) on the lock screen. It was more steps to complete the same task on the Note vs the iPhone. Once or twice is no big deal, but all day long it got annoying.
iPhone -
1) 3D press on text notification
2) Reply
Note 8 -
1) Pick up phone
2) Double tap on messages icon
3) Unlock with finger print on back (my preferred form of security)
4) Swipe down notifications
5) Find the notification
6) Press reply
7) Be brought into the messages app or reply in a tiny notification box
I tried a bunch of different messaging apps. None of them allowed you to simply reply from the lock screen without having to unlock your phone and fiddle with notifications every time. The solution is to have no security. Is that really a solution?
I've owned Android before...
Samsung Blackjack
iPhone 2G
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S
Galaxy S3
Note 1
Note 2
LG G3
Note 3 (had issues and traded it for the iPhone 5S)
iPhone 5S
iPhone 6 Plus
iPhone 6S Plus
iPhone X - Returned
Note 8 - Returned
So I'd say I had my fair share of experience on both OSes.
I was very active on here with my Note 2. I really loved that phone, but again it got old and was time to move on.
My Note 3 had so many issues after only a few weeks with it I got rid of it and Apple has locked me into their ecosystem since...
However, I feel like Apple has lost it's touch. They're getting worse and worse. Consumers are becoming beta testers and the software is becoming so sloppy that I am literally afraid to update because of my phone slowing down, killing battery life, breaking something, etc...
Currently the Razer Phone and the OnePlus 5T have my attention. Hardware is pretty similar on both phones, although the Razer phone has that beautiful 120hz screen. Not sure it's worth the price difference though.
Performance is about the same on both phones since they have pretty much the same hardware. I think it comes down to personal preference as to fingerprint location, expandable storage, speaker quality, headphone jack, etc... One big complaint I see about the Razer Phone is brightness. If I'm outside and can't see the screen that's not going to be good.
More importantly to me is how the phones will be supported after purchase. My biggest fear is a company making a phone like this and then dumping support for it 6 months down the line for a new phone or giving you the run around for a warranty claim.
Can you sell me on either phone?

I was looking at both of these phones as well. Although for different reasons. I came from a Pixel XL.
The screen and battery life on the Razer were deal-breakers for me. Too dim (and LCD) and it made the 4000mah battery run like a 2800mah.
The other deciding factor was software. I knew the OnePlus would have years of excellent Dev support with the latest custom firmwares and all the tweaking I would ever want. The Razer, didn't have this guarantee.
I got the 5T and it is wonderful. The screen is gorgeous (Samsung) and it gets 8h SOT over 48 hours.

I was on the same boat and looked at the razer and the screen was just so dim, I read its like 300nits of brightness which is more than half of the note 8.
the battery takes a big hit with 120hz on.
I got my oneplus 5t coming today so can wait.
Thanks
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Am in the same boat. I have the note 8 and the thing has been fast. I am however attracted by the 8gb on the 5t and razer, and am also very much undecided. Am not bothered about the price difference, my main debate is which is more faster between the 2?

a5ian300zx said:
I was on the same boat and looked at the razer and the screen was just so dim, I read its like 300nits of brightness which is more than half of the note 8.
the battery takes a big hit with 120hz on.
I got my oneplus 5t coming today so can wait.
Thanks
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Yeah, brightness is something I'd have to see for myself to decide.
How is the 5T treating you so far?
xocomaox said:
The screen and battery life on the Razer were deal-breakers for me. Too dim (and LCD) and it made the 4000mah battery run like a 2800mah.
The other deciding factor was software. I knew the OnePlus would have years of excellent Dev support with the latest custom firmwares and all the tweaking I would ever want. The Razer, didn't have this guarantee.
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Really, the battery? I've heard nothing but good reviews about the battery on the Razer. I actually prefer LCD over AMOLED. I'm just used to looking at LCD on my iPhone. The iPhone X OLED gave me migraines.
Software is definitely a big deal. I know OnePlus has a good record of updating. Razer is an unknown and at this point that's my biggest concern.
Someone on Reddit told me the 5T got a KRACK fix already. iOS is still unpatched lol
marvi0 said:
Am in the same boat. I have the note 8 and the thing has been fast. I am however attracted by the 8gb on the 5t and razer, and am also very much undecided. Am not bothered about the price difference, my main debate is which is more faster between the 2?
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Both should be faster than the Note 8, which I thought was pretty damn fast. I turned animations to 0.5x which sped things up a bit.
Watching some speed test videos between the Razer and the 5T they both were neck and neck as far as speed goes. Some apps were faster on one phone, but only by milliseconds.

Only thing about razer is lack of dev support at the moment and that's where the oneplus will definitely excel. Even root is not yet available. I could do without dev support but root is a must for me.

marvi0 said:
Only thing about razer is lack of dev support at the moment and that's where the oneplus will definitely excel. Even root is not yet available. I could do without dev support but root is a must for me.
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Eh, neither is a deal breaker for me. I know root on the Razer definitely will void your warranty. Judging from my interaction with Razer support so far though, they likely won't care or check it. Seemed pretty clueless about simple questions, which is kinda steering me away from that phone.

Let's just say , first day using my 5T, and I am amazed.
I've used 50+ devices in the last 4 years.
This phone is arguably a better daily than the S8.
All of the deal breakers I had in mind about the phone are gone.
The speaker sounds fantastic for a single one,
Water resistance has left my mind ,however it would be nice.
The 3.5mm jack sounds beautiful.
And the screen is wonderful.
I can't believe it's only $499!!!
I've had the G6 and S8. This phone is right there with them.
A big what if,
The camera isn't as good as those flagships. It's not bad. It's serviceable. Hopefully better with updates ?

apparently even though the oneplus 5t does not have water proof certification but tests proof it has indeed some type of water proofing.
there is a YouTube video on it.
I will have mine setup tomorrow evening.
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a5ian300zx said:
I will have mine setup tomorrow evening.
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Let me know how it goes

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Hope this is the right choice!

You made the right choice with the Miata.
This is also the right choice.

Jooosty said:
You made the right choice with the Miata.
This is also the right choice.
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Can you explain why?

The Razer phone will be basically unusable in direct sunlight.
The Razer phone will have little to no dev support.
Will the Razer phone continue to get updates for 2+ years? Who knows...
The Razer phone costs $200 more.
The Razer phone will almost certainly have no third party accessories beyond a few ****ty cases from AliExpress.
OnePlus 5t has none of these problems.
/thread imo

mazdamiata210 said:
Hope this is the right choice!
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You made the right decision. If you ever feel down by OP5T come to Denver we will smoke some ganja and you will forget everything

I too am deciding whether I should take the 5t or the 3t. I am a student and have around 400 £. My main issue with the 5t right now is that it seems a bit to large for me. I have the s7 and would like to know if the 5t is really a big phone.
Also, do you think the camera will be better than my s7?
Thank you very much !

Colday96 said:
I too am deciding whether I should take the 5t or the 3t. I am a student and have around 400 £. My main issue with the 5t right now is that it seems a bit to large for me. I have the s7 and would like to know if the 5t is really a big phone.
Also, do you think the camera will be better than my s7?
Thank you very much !
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Pretty sure with the student discount you can get the 5T for around 400
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8647&idPhone2=7945
Seems to be about the same size

mazdamiata210 said:
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I can assure you that you definitely won't be disappointed with your decision.
My last phone was a Pixel and in my opinion this 5T is a much more premium device, faster, way more features, better sound through speaker and Bluetooth, much better and brighter screen, very good automatic brightness, better battery life, better everything basically. I don't have a bad word to say about it yet and I am extremely picky.
Also i have the oneplus glass screen protector and the karbon case and the feel in the hand is just superb, everyone I've shown the phone to has been impressed with the appearance and feel of it, it's not very protective but very sleek and keeps the phone thin and light.
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Colday96 said:
I too am deciding whether I should take the 5t or the 3t. I am a student and have around 400 £. My main issue with the 5t right now is that it seems a bit to large for me. I have the s7 and would like to know if the 5t is really a big phone.
Also, do you think the camera will be better than my s7?
Thank you very much !
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https://www.phonearena.com/phones/size
Good website to compare sizes, make sure you calibrate it with your current phone or a credit card.
I'm not a fan of large phones either, i hate holding my girlfriend's iPhone 6s plus, I was wondering if I would like the size of the 5T coming from the smaller Pixel but I'm not disappointed at all, it's a very thin phone and I use it one handed most of the time with no issues.
Pulling down status bar can be a bit of a stretch but there is an option to use the fingerprint reader to pull it down.

mazdamiata210 said:
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I too was interested in the Razer.
I realized, although it is first to the table with 120hz screen etc etc.
The phone is sort of like an experiment. The front speakers are a nice touch. I am not a headphone jack whore, but it is indeed a nice touch for the 5T ( quality is excellent btw)
Do not be afraid of camera quality. It's quite good. If using the GCam apk.
Also just the overall software of the 5T, you literally have almost every custom option you could ask for.
The Razer, superbly smooth screen with low brightness.
Dope speakers. Questionable camera. Great build.
We will not know about the updates with Razers new device.
With the 5T, Oreo will be here soon.

Jooosty said:
I too was interested in the Razer.
I realized, although it is first to the table with 120hz screen etc etc.
The phone is sort of like an experiment. The front speakers are a nice touch. I am not a headphone jack whore, but it is indeed a nice touch for the 5T ( quality is excellent btw)
Do not be afraid of camera quality. It's quite good. If using the GCam apk.
Also just the overall software of the 5T, you literally have almost every custom option you could ask for.
The Razer, superbly smooth screen with low brightness.
Dope speakers. Questionable camera. Great build.
We will not know about the updates with Razers new device.
With the 5T, Oreo will be here soon.
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Razer is promising alot... Will they deliver? Who knows.
One thing is for sure. For their first phone they certainly hit a home run.

General Galaxy Z Fold 3 Discussion

With recent leaks showing the device giving us an idea of what the device could look like, I was curious to what some of our gripes were as far as this phone goes. If you haven't already seen the leaks, you can click here. It also gives us an idea of what the next flip will look.
Now as far as my own personal gripes:
1. This is by far the biggest one - The front screen. I understand the reasoning behind making it easier on one handed use, but I genuinely do believe more people would rather have a normal aspect ratio as if it were a normal phone. With the mate x2 being released, it's definitely possible and if anything, looks more premium. I wouldn't be so harsh towards the subject if we were able to change the aspect ratio on the front screen as well (I know you can do this with goodlock regarding the inner screen, there's just no option for the front). This becomes an issue for social media apps (ex, snapchat or instagram) not being able to properly send pictures or post them due to that aspect ratio throwing it off. For those apps to be used properly, the inside screen would need to be opened and have the aspect ratio adjusted and there's no fix otherwise. All of this and the generalization of not wanting to open the phone up to see wider content almost every time.
There's a link here that provides a solution, but again, only for the front/cover screen.
2. Sharp edges - If you're holding the phone for an extended period of time, you'll more than likely become uncomfortable with it on the left side (while using it closed). I will say, looking into the leaked photos, it seems they have fixed the issue by curving it.
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3. Hinge design - Now this phone is a solid tank from my experience. Someone had accidentally dropped my phone, relatively brutally at that and the hinge had gotten stuck for a second and popped banked into place (Don't ask, just call me lucky). While I think it's extremely durable, I'd definitely like to see the improve with it's design. It seems that they may have from that leak (which again, could possibly not be the actual device). The comparison I'd like to make again would be to the mate x2 and you'll see below what I mean and the over aesthetic of the phone while it's closed. Granted the x2 is newer, the overall design does make it look discrete as far as being a foldable.
4. Weight - This one I'm not very optimistic on, just because there are more parts and factors that go into a folding phone. The overall weight can be an annoyance overtime while holding it closed. This kind of brings me back to my first point of it being wider, with a wider body, it'd seem that there would be more surface area to distribute that weight versus making the phone feel like a brick.
5. Other stuff would consist of the gap itself. I hate to keep comparing it to the X2, but they definitely did build a solid device in terms of design. From the leaks, it's been made out to be that the gap on the upcoming z fold 3 will be greatly reduced. Time will tell on that one.
As far as the leaks on the z fold 3, it does seem like it has some promising upgrades. One being the under-display camera. Hopefully it's greatly improved over the first generation one that had been released in I believe a ZTE phone. I see S Pen support as well which is neat for a bigger display for sure. It's a little disappointing to see that they, again, chose a lackluster route on the camera array. Not saying they'd be bad cameras by any means, but a TOF sensor or zoom lens would've been a little more justifiable regarding pricing of these phones (especially in a flagship standpoint).

megaghostgamer said:
With recent leaks showing the device giving us an idea of what the device could look like, I was curious to what some of our gripes were as far as this phone goes. If you haven't already seen the leaks, you can click here. It also gives us an idea of what the next flip will look.
Now as far as my own personal gripes:
1. This is by far the biggest one - The front screen. I understand the reasoning behind making it easier on one handed use, but I genuinely do believe more people would rather have a normal aspect ratio as if it were a normal phone. With the mate x2 being released, it's definitely possible and if anything, looks more premium. I wouldn't be so harsh towards the subject if we were able to change the aspect ratio on the front screen as well (I know you can do this with goodlock regarding the inner screen, there's just no option for the front). This becomes an issue for social media apps (ex, snapchat or instagram) not being able to properly send pictures or post them due to that aspect ratio throwing it off. For those apps to be used properly, the inside screen would need to be opened and have the aspect ratio adjusted and there's no fix otherwise. All of this and the generalization of not wanting to open the phone up to see wider content almost every time.
There's a link here that provides a solution, but again, only for the front/cover screen.
2. Sharp edges - If you're holding the phone for an extended period of time, you'll more than likely become uncomfortable with it on the left side (while using it closed). I will say, looking into the leaked photos, it seems they have fixed the issue by curving it.
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3. Hinge design - Now this phone is a solid tank from my experience. Someone had accidentally dropped my phone, relatively brutally at that and the hinge had gotten stuck for a second and popped banked into place (Don't ask, just call me lucky). While I think it's extremely durable, I'd definitely like to see the improve with it's design. It seems that they may have from that leak (which again, could possibly not be the actual device). The comparison I'd like to make again would be to the mate x2 and you'll see below what I mean and the over aesthetic of the phone while it's closed. Granted the x2 is newer, the overall design does make it look discrete as far as being a foldable.
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4. Weight - This one I'm not very optimistic on, just because there are more parts and factors that go into a folding phone. The overall weight can be an annoyance overtime while holding it closed. This kind of brings me back to my first point of it being wider, with a wider body, it'd seem that there would be more surface area to distribute that weight versus making the phone feel like a brick.
5. Other stuff would consist of the gap itself. I hate to keep comparing it to the X2, but they definitely did build a solid device in terms of design. From the leaks, it's been made out to be that the gap on the upcoming z fold 3 will be greatly reduced. Time will tell on that one.
As far as the leaks on the z fold 3, it does seem like it has some promising upgrades. One being the under-display camera. Hopefully it's greatly improved over the first generation one that had been released in I believe a ZTE phone. I see S Pen support as well which is neat for a bigger display for sure. It's a little disappointing to see that they, again, chose a lackluster route on the camera array. Not saying they'd be bad cameras by any means, but a TOF sensor or zoom lens would've been a little more justifiable regarding pricing of these phones (especially in a flagship standpoint).
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How soon before it gets it own set of fora? July or August?

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How soon before it gets it own set of fora? July or August?
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Not until the official announcement by samsung usually. I'd basically want the mate x2 running one UI. That would be my perfect phone. Oh and the latest processor of course, lol.

So around August 19th there might be the 3 forum?

Is there any reason to expect a display smaller than about 7.5"?

Anyone believe it will around $1600?

megaghostgamer said:
With recent leaks showing the device giving us an idea of what the device could look like, I was curious to what some of our gripes were as far as this phone goes. If you haven't already seen the leaks, you can click here. It also gives us an idea of what the next flip will look.
6. Cameras. It is CRIMINAL of Samsung not to put S21U camera modules in the most expensive spartphone they sell. No more S10 sensors please.
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ronaldheld said:
Anyone believe it will around $1600?
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Samsung reduced the (UK) RRP from £1799 to £1599 a few months back.
I cannot believe Samsung would be foolish enough to raise RRP again for Fold3.

Phonearena claims August 3d for the announcement date and in shipping on the the 27th. Anyone else confirm this?

Any date for hen we can preorder the phone?

should we expect a separate forum around August 3?

My utter disappointment in the Pixel 5 may lead me to go this route when this comes out... Assuming I can root it and get rid of all of Samsung's garbage software.
Honestly, does ANYONE use "Bixby"???

dezborders said:
Samsung reduced the (UK) RRP from £1799 to £1599 a few months back.
I cannot believe Samsung would be foolish enough to raise RRP again for Fold3.
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LOL you'd be amazed at what Samsung is stupid enough to do. These are the people that brought us Bixby.
And that price is ridiculous. That's enough to make crApple blush.

Why the cutting-edge Galaxy Z Fold 3 is doomed to flop
Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 3 is promising, but there are too many aspects that make it "un-normal". Will it flop?
www.phonearena.com
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The unpacking event is August 3d or 11th?

Looks like the 11th: https://www.phonearena.com/news/summer-samsung-galaxy-unpacked-2021-date-revealed_id133327

ronaldheld said:
Why the cutting-edge Galaxy Z Fold 3 is doomed to flop
Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 3 is promising, but there are too many aspects that make it "un-normal". Will it flop?
www.phonearena.com
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Stupid. I am seriously considering one.

Meanwhile Samsung has grossly neglected it's most popular flagship line, the Note.
Brilliant, a real masterpiece as Samsung flat spins in on full afterburner and keeps its nose up... *splash*

Am I the only one who sees the 3 as being a tiny improvement over the 2? If I could get a native Google experience on it I'd have already jumped ship for the Mate X2. I'm surprised that Samsung isn't improving the aspect ratio and sizes of the screens, or giving significantly better cameras. Yes, an under the screen camera would be nice, but I just don't see much that would cause me to upgrade from the 2.

Never owned a FOLD, excited!!