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Accessories for QX10 lens

Just seen Amazon are selling a few accessories for the QX10 lens.
The Z1 case which the lens attaches too:
Sony ACX2 QX10/QX100 Case for Lens Style Camera and Xperia Z1 - Black
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00F5X13V2/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
Also a carrying case for the lens:
Sony LCSBBMB Carrying Case for QX10 Lens Style Camera
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00F3YS89I/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
I will get the case first then the case a bit later on.
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Spent the last week looking for somewhere to get that case!
Going to pre-order now - my lovely see through case from china is great apart from they covered the magnetic charge area which is sad news.
I managed to get the micro SD in the wrong way round for my QX10 - that was fun!

Doesn't the lens come with some form of case already?
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Doesn't the lens come with some form of case already?
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Nope.
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Nope.
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That's pretty poor, given the price.
But I suppose when you look at the cost of the docks (including the car holder that doesn't even charge - when it could via the pins), you can see that Sony likes to maximise profits from accessories.
Even the case that lets you clip the QX10 on seems rather a lot of money, and worse still, I can see myself buying one!

jonmorris said:
That's pretty poor, given the price.
But I suppose when you look at the cost of the docks (including the car holder that doesn't even charge - when it could via the pins), you can see that Sony likes to maximise profits from accessories.
Even the case that lets you clip the QX10 on seems rather a lot of money, and worse still, I can see myself buying one!
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Yeah I know, these manufactures know we will still buy them even if we moan like hell about them
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The QX10/100 cover for the Z1, which Amazon said could ship as late as December, is now in stock and has shipped today to me - so I'll have it tomorrow.
I expect that once I have this cover, I might use the QX10 a lot more than I do now, which is hardly at all.
(Really wondering why I bought one now, to be honest - so I may well sell both the cover and the QX10 in the not too distant future).

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My Sony ACX2 case arrived - slight problem is it does not work!
when its on the phone and set at open position - the QX10 will not attach - the problem is getting it locked in - the ONLY way I can get it to attach is when the case is away from the phone and I apply pressure on one side (where phone would be) so it can slide over the lock (far side from the locking dot) - which is disappointing.
I have checked for damage on case and camera and they are fine - guess it just does not work properly. Quite disappointed.

jonmorris said:
And here it is...
How are you finding the picture quality, very torn between this and the qx100. From what I have read the qx100 is a far superior device but it does seem bulky where the qx10 seems to be a nice size.
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bodson66 said:
How are you finding the picture quality, very torn between this and the qx100. From what I have read the qx100 is a far superior device but it does seem bulky where the qx10 seems to be a nice size.
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I have very mixed views on the QX10.
Here they are in a nutshell.
1) Practicality. Even with the wrist strap, it's not the easiest thing to carry about - and I am disappointed Sony couldn't bundle a simple case instead of making you pay £20 or so.
2) Pairing is slow, and there are quite a few Wi-Fi access points around my location so it means that it often pauses/stutters on the viewfinder display - and sometimes loses connection completely (not often, but once is too much if you're trying to take a photo).
3) It doesn't take incredible photos all the time - it can sometimes be out of focus and there's still a lot of noise if it judges the scene wrong. I've had a photo that looks far worse than using the main camera in auto mode!
However, if put on a tripod (or placed separately on a flat surface and detached from the phone) then it can take some incredible low-light photos.. totally noise free and, well, just wow. These are the shots that make you think it was money well spent (question is, how many of these photos will you be taking?)
4) When you connect via USB to charge, you can't access the photos on the camera directly (as a mass storage device) so you must always copy via the, frankly, rather awful PlayMemories camera app. Camera360 now supports the QX10 but it's buggy, although I expect a fix will come in due course.
5) The zoom is fantastic - no complaints there.
6) The battery life is good from what I can see - but I still worry that I'll forget to keep it charged, as it joins a list of things to keep topping up before I go out (Pebble watch, phone, portable battery pack/charger etc).
The QX100 is no doubt a LOT better in image quality, but at the extra price (and with the loss of zoom) I am not in the market for one anyway.
The QX10 is the nicer size, but I really don't know if I'm ever likely to use it enough to justify having purchased it. I hoped, perhaps rather stupidly, I'd be able to use this instead of my Sony NEX camera (even with the loss of a flash) but with the viewfinder lags, slow image transferring and so on - it's really not a viable alternative to a separate camera if you really need improved image quality, or a powerful zoom.

jonmorris said:
bodson66 said:
I have very mixed views on the QX10.
Here they are in a nutshell.
1) Practicality. Even with the wrist strap, it's not the easiest thing to carry about - and I am disappointed Sony couldn't bundle a simple case instead of making you pay £20 or so.
2) Pairing is slow, and there are quite a few Wi-Fi access points around my location so it means that it often pauses/stutters on the viewfinder display - and sometimes loses connection completely (not often, but once is too much if you're trying to take a photo).
3) It doesn't take incredible photos all the time - it can sometimes be out of focus and there's still a lot of noise if it judges the scene wrong. I've had a photo that looks far worse than using the main camera in auto mode!
However, if put on a tripod (or placed separately on a flat surface and detached from the phone) then it can take some incredible low-light photos.. totally noise free and, well, just wow. These are the shots that make you think it was money well spent (question is, how many of these photos will you be taking?)
4) When you connect via USB to charge, you can't access the photos on the camera directly (as a mass storage device) so you must always copy via the, frankly, rather awful PlayMemories camera app. Camera360 now supports the QX10 but it's buggy, although I expect a fix will come in due course.
5) The zoom is fantastic - no complaints there.
6) The battery life is good from what I can see - but I still worry that I'll forget to keep it charged, as it joins a list of things to keep topping up before I go out (Pebble watch, phone, portable battery pack/charger etc).
The QX100 is no doubt a LOT better in image quality, but at the extra price (and with the loss of zoom) I am not in the market for one anyway.
The QX10 is the nicer size, but I really don't know if I'm ever likely to use it enough to justify having purchased it. I hoped, perhaps rather stupidly, I'd be able to use this instead of my Sony NEX camera (even with the loss of a flash) but with the viewfinder lags, slow image transferring and so on - it's really not a viable alternative to a separate camera if you really need improved image quality, or a powerful zoom.
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Perfect honest answer thanks bud. I think you are right, I was looking at the qx100 as an upgrade to my point and shoot but I think I might just invest in a good dslr. If I am out trying to snap some great pics I usually head out on hikes with that intention. I don't think these devices are quite there yet. I have been impressed with how the main shooter on this phone performs and if I need something better I might as well bring a camera.
Once again thanks for your feedback, the tech head in me really wanted this lol
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Once again thanks for your feedback, the tech head in me really wanted this lol
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I think that's why I pre-ordered the QX10 and now regret it a bit. I'd be really gutted if I'd paid the extra for the QX100 - however good the photos.

I bought the QX10 on Amazon. I ultimately returned it for the Galaxy S4 zoom but I'm not sold on the Samsung either yet. I'll post my Amazon review here rather than re-creating it.
I bought this item after weeks of review and months of anticipation. After hearing about the launch I could NOT wait for the product to be released. The price seemed a little high so I waited a bit. I purchased an Amazon Wharehouse deal (probably from someone who posted a negative review and returned it) for the QX10
All I can say is its a mixed bag.
When it works it is fantastic. It's a great point and shoot camera with very simple controls, that produces great results. I was able to capture great long range zoomed shots of a soccer game that froze the action in place. I took some very low light shots of text from 3 feet away that was still very visible. I shot stills from both the macro level and far off zoomed and they all looked great. The Sony Auto modes are just what I need. Being able to operate the camera unattached from the phone is an added bonus. Since it is so small at a birthday party I was able to hold it high over my head and basically create a "crane" shot without actually having a tripod or large piece of equipment. Then I could see over all the other people to zoom in on the shot I wanted. I could see this being very usefull at a child's play or concert to get a unique point of view. I am a photographer so I know how to adjust manually if I need to but the point of a smart phone or point and shoot is to take pictures quickly that "just work". Sony has nailed the concept.
There are, however, issues. Like everybody has said in the negative reviews the connection can be iffy. Even on my Galaxy Note II the connection was hit or miss. It was a complete crap shoot as to whether the next time I touched the NFC tag, it would Open and Connect, Just Open and fail to connect, or do absolutely nothing. This is not the device you want to rely on to capture quick action. Once connected, however, I found the software to be pretty solid. I really like the ability to transfer photos to the device. I dug deeper and found a setting that lets you transfer the full image when copying. I would only recommend this when you have time as the files are quite large. I waited till the end of the day and transferred all 200 pictures at once, which took about 20 minutes. Still, its a great option, especially for someone like me who likes to backup everything to a shared NAS either nightly or every couple of nights.
Ultimately, this is a device you want to carry around but not necessarily use all the time. Use your phone for the pretty sunset you happen to catch on the way from the office of the silly shots at the bar. You bring along the QX10 to the Baseball stadium or a wedding to get those shots you want to look better as keepsakes, or when you need a Zoom. I guess you could say why not just bring along the DSLR on those occasions, but the QX10 is MUCH easier to carry. For instance at the Soccer game, I had my phone (as always) and all I needed for the Zoom ability was to slip the QX10 into my sweatshirt pocket where it sat till I needed it. No camera bag, or heavy camera body around my neck. If you can justify the price for that, I think it's a win.

Has anyone else found the phone case with the QX10 attachment to be very fragile? I mean 3 of the corners have cracked and 1 of those has broken (a small bit snapped off!). I've dropped the phone a couple of times but from very small distances but surely the case shouldn't break so easily? And yes I'd rather the case broke than the phone before someone asks

I haven't dropped my phone, yet, but that still sounds pretty bad. I did wonder how it would stand up to being attached and removed repeatedly, so I guess I probably have my answer now.
I don't use my QX10 much, so I only really keep the case on because it's the only case that still lets me use my DK31 dock.
The Sony Xperia-approved Roxfit case doesn't, and I'm unsure what other cases are on sale that do. I do have to wonder why Sony made two inserts for the dock when the 'larger' one really isn't large enough!

I should've also mentioned that when taking a picture with the internal camera, if the flash is used it bleeds across the lens as the case is a bit too much of a perfect fit. I'm torn because despite all this I still really like the functionality of the case due to the ease of attaching the QX10. Frustration guaranteed with this case it would seem.
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That's such a common problem with cases (my parents each had that issue with covers on their iPhones) that I'm amazed it still keeps happening!
But, happen it does.
I'm half tempted to go back to having the phone in no case at all, as I did for the first few days, but there's an obvious risk with this. Of course, it solves the problem with using the dock!

I got the QX100 and absolutely love the images it produces, the zoom is acceptable, low light is really good, colours are accurate, warm, sharp and the unit is easy to use, thats really were it ends.
I also purchased Z1 attachment case for AU$29 it is cheap looking, provides no protection top and bottom of phone and has sharp edges that are sure to scratch the anodizing from the Z1 side housings.
The software that pairs the two is appalling and real time viewing is inaccurate it is only when viewing the shots or video you can gauge the real quality ( I should add that the shots and vids comes out very nicely in most cases) hopefully software updates can improve upon this.
In summary (and I am no pro or photographer) the QX100 does a very very nice job of low light, artificial light and sunny conditions even in auto mode, even-though it is hard to gauge real time.
The facts are that most shots come out better than expected, is it worth $500+, hell no! but it is extremely cool and very convenient since it saves taking another device along. I would recommend this product if it were $200 cheaper or more, however, if you have money to burn I say burn! you'll love it.

Try Camera 360, which now has support for the QX lenses (and has had a recent fix for some bugs relating to transferring photos).
It still jerks as the viewfinder image is streamed to the phone, and that's the real weakness of the whole concept.

Current Best buy Smartwatch?

Greetings.
With me recently finding out about Samsungs new Galaxy Gear, i started looking into smart-watches again to see how they have progressed. I cant say i was particularity impressed with the G-Gear, especially given its bad battery life. I then found out about Qualcom's Toq, which seemed alittle better, but still felt like the Gear with its "i want to replace your phone" design. I think both of them rely too heavily on the touch screen and are trying to do too much, or rather, taking over too much functionality away from the phone.
After digging some more, i found the Pebble. Although i could see room for improvement (would like to see it in a metal frame and a color e-ink screen), it seems to mostly fit what i am looking for in a 'smart-watch'. Psychical buttons that can be used with gloves on, and an accessory, instead of a 'new device that happens to talk with your phone'.
Now, my main question is, is there a better quality smartwatch out there, that functions similarly to the pebble, or is the pebble pretty much the best thing at the moment in terms of simplicity? The $150 price is a smudge high, but i would consider it. The $299 price for the other two is just insane.
Thanks for your opinions and input.

The Kreyos meteor might be what you are looking for. It seems like they are going a step above the Pebble watch. I am personally waiting for the Google Gem to be announced before I decide on what watch to get.

samsung galaxy gear is only made available for samsung product.. i wouldnt really recommend that if you decide to go for other brand of phones..
i would recommend Sony Smartwatch 2 for that..
However, i don;t really see the point of getting a smartwatch? thats just my opinion... Perhaps you could get Pebble as its cheap...

andrewAwesome said:
samsung galaxy gear is only made available for samsung product.. i wouldnt really recommend that if you decide to go for other brand of phones..
i would recommend Sony Smartwatch 2 for that..
However, i don;t really see the point of getting a smartwatch? thats just my opinion... Perhaps you could get Pebble as its cheap...
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My main point of getting one, is music control while im riding my motorcycle. It would be useful to change tracks and such without pulling my phone out (which requires unzipping my jacket, then unzipping the pocket it is in). It would also be a lazy convenience to do that while im walking.
Going back to the bike, i think it would be the only way i would know im getting a call/text while riding due to it being attached directly to me. I couldn't answer it right away, but i would know one came in so i could pull over and respond if needed. This is also why i wanted the psychical buttons, as i wear riding gloves, which make it pretty difficult to use a touchscreen without removing them.
However, to your question, i dont doubt that piratical smartwatch use is pretty situational and in most cases is just a neat toy.

Oh, smartwatch is not a neat toy. Once you start using one - it will become a part of your lifestyle. Just think about how many times a day do you pull out your phone to check if you got email? Or how many times you take your phone out to see who is calling? Or to read a text message? Or to switch a track on your music player? Or when you are in a movie theater or during a meeting and phone is on mute while you missed a call? Or when you are at the game or in a crowded place and you missed a call? Or when you walked out of the car or restaurant or home and left a phone in there? The list can go on and on. Smartwatch becomes a remote extension/display/notifier that resolves all these problems above just by glancing at your wrist.
I have an older MetaWatch smartwatch, and I can't imagine a day without at work or at home. Plus, it saves your phone so many time when you don't need to pull it out all the time. Not to mention the phones are getting bigger and bigger. Even with a decent case on my Note 2, I'm OK during the summer, but when winter rolls around and I have to reach out through layers to get to my phone - forget about it.
Now, with all the choices you have to be careful. Smartwatch has to be water/splash resistant. Watch is meant to be worn outside. You get into the rain, or forget and wash dishes with it or get splattered around the pool - it's done! Also, with too much tech in the bracelet which is not replaceable - you bump it, and your screwed. That's why I'm crossing Gear off my list. Pebble, HOT, Agent and Kreoys are toys in comparison to all the upcoming stuff. The one to watch out for is Omate TrueSmart http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...t-water-resistant-standalone-smartwa?ref=live and Sony SW2. In my opinion, Omate is the only way to go right now. Never mind that you can put your GSM sim card inside (although that will drain your battery), it a pure rugged android experience on your wrist with out of this world support and a number of XDA community jumping into development already. Not to mention an outstanding spec:
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Oh, smartwatch is not a neat toy. Once you start using one - it will become a part of your lifestyle. Just think about how many times a day do you pull out your phone to check if you got email? Or how many times you take your phone out to see who is calling? Or to read a text message? Or to switch a track on your music player? Or when you are in a movie theater or during a meeting and phone is on mute while you missed a call? Or when you are at the game or in a crowded place and you missed a call? Or when you walked out of the car or restaurant or home and left a phone in there? The list can go on and on. Smartwatch becomes a remote extension/display/notifier that resolves all these problems above just by glancing at your wrist.
I have an older MetaWatch smartwatch, and I can't imagine a day without at work or at home. Plus, it saves your phone so many time when you don't need to pull it out all the time. Not to mention the phones are getting bigger and bigger. Even with a decent case on my Note 2, I'm OK during the summer, but when winter rolls around and I have to reach out through layers to get to my phone - forget about it.
Now, with all the choices you have to be careful. Smartwatch has to be water/splash resistant. Watch is meant to be worn outside. You get into the rain, or forget and wash dishes with it or get splattered around the pool - it's done! Also, with too much tech in the bracelet which is not replaceable - you bump it, and your screwed. That's why I'm crossing Gear off my list. Pebble, HOT, Agent and Kreoys are toys in comparison to all the upcoming stuff. The one to watch out for is Omate TrueSmart http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...t-water-resistant-standalone-smartwa?ref=live and Sony SW2. In my opinion, Omate is the only way to go right now. Never mind that you can put your GSM sim card inside (although that will drain your battery), it a pure rugged android experience on your wrist with out of this world support and a number of XDA community jumping into development already. Not to mention an outstanding spec:
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That watch looks kind of overkill really. Im not really looking for a 'phone away from my phone' in a watch. Just an accessory to my phone, that offers me easier control over my phone. The buttons on the side are promising, but until i know how i can use them, or if i can use them to control apps, they are worthless. A major selling point for me in a smart watch, would be that it wouldn't be reliant, or heavily reliant, on its touch screen. Basically, if i can have it on my wrist, while music is playing on my phone, and all i have to do is hit a button to advance a track, without looking at the phone, then that would be a major selling point for me. Having it show me incoming calls and texts, while vibrating on my wrist for notification is also a major plus. Everything else is just fluff to me.
On another note, i really dont see the use or point of putting camreas on these things. Its a major waste of space and another point that it can be damaged. Aside from a microphone (and maybe a speaker), the only external feature i think would be neat would be an LED light aimed out the right side (not the top, as that would be awkward to hold your arm up just to shine a light). Though the problem with that is with putting buttons on that side, theirs not really any room to put it.
Would also be nice if they could make a round one, and not all of them be square. but thats just aesthetics for me.

With Omate when it comes to smartphone, it's really an afterthought since you don't have to put sim card in. Regarding music player, I'm pretty sure they will have some customized control where you can just swipe left/right to change the track or maybe map two buttons on the right side. The camera is just a bonus, and it's very discrete, not just like that Gear-bump.
From what you describing, you probably would like the MetaWatch: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2332764 - that's the one I'm wearing right now. BUT, as much as I like it, I wouldn't recommend it to you in comparison to everything else that's available or coming up. MetaWatch (from Fossils guy) was fantastic, but they dropped the ball on sw support, relying on community edition software developed by users. That software was developed for older firmware version, and once MetaWatch firmware was updated - community edition software didn't keep up with it.

Can't wait when Omate TrueSmart will be available on the market. I started to dream about android-watch after trying the old iPod nano with wristlet.Sad that apple stopped manufacturing it.

MetaWatch is coming to Best Buy next week

Seem Nice ! Someone try it with an iphone ?

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MetaWatch? I think its integration with iPhone is better than with android. At least from what I have seen on YT. YT has a lot of clips with demos and comparison.

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MetaWatch? I think its integration with iPhone is better than with android. At least from what I have seen on YT. YT has a lot of clips with demos and comparison.
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Also seems like a step backwards as far as screen tech goes. Looks like an older calculator watch screen lol.

Lyian said:
Also seems like a step backwards as far as screen tech goes. Looks like an older calculator watch screen lol.
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Yeah, its not as fancy as other upcoming smartwatches. MetaWatch is over a year old project, with Fossil guys behind it's design. One thing for sure, its super durable and highly visible in any direct sunlight because of its reflective display technology.

pebble!

Is this normal? Screen quality issue? (Looks very pixelated)

So I just got a new Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 from amazon, the first one they sent had dead pixels on it so I sent it back for a replacement. My second one came and things are looking pretty good except I've noticed the screen just doesn't look very crisp/sharp and icons/text look very pixelated when compared to my 3rd generation iPad or my new Nexus 5's screen. I took screen shots (of the lock screen, home screen, settings, etc..) on the note 10.1 and loaded it up on the iPad and the same screen shots look much sharper/better than on the iPad's screen. I believe the first one I got (with the dead pixels) had about the same pixelation/quality. It is very apparent when I look at the battery icon in the corner, it is appears very jagged and pixelated.
Before I go for another replacement, I'm wondering if the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 is suppose to look like this or if both units I got just had issues with the screens. For a tablet with 2560x1600 resolution, I would have thought the picture quality would be much better (on par with the iPad or my nexus 5), but when I compare the screen quality of the note 10.1's to my iPad or my Nexus 5 it doesn't even come close.
Edit: Added photos with phone's camera (not great due to how poorly cameras generally capture lcd screens, but I think it shows what I'm talking about).
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yv8lp4tj9l6ftx/Galaxy%20Note%20Screen.jpg
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/yk87yermiinnmj2/3rd%20gen%20iPad%20with%20Galaxy%20Note%20Screen%20Shot.jpg

Well, I figured out the issue, the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 uses a PenTile RGBW screen. This causes me to basically see a checkerboard of pixels everywhere, it was more apparent with the green battery indicator icon. Not sure why they would use this technology, but I guess I'll have to look into a different tablet. Its a shame because I was quite looking forward to the Note 10.1.

I wish my eyes were good enough to see the individual pixels on the note 2014 display.
To me the battery icon looks solid green with no pixellation

You can see it if you out your eyes on the screen
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Ok, I see the issue now, I decided to read up about it some more, here is a bit of a technical blog post. A person was explaining an issue similar to mine with Pentile's technology and they replied, in rather in depth detail http://pentileblog.com/oled/pentile-and-sharp-eyesight/
And I would highly suggest not putting your faces so close to the screens, you people are talking about 3 inches away, which is crazy, I took a tape measure and my eyes were really straining/hurting at about 3-4 inches, would imagine that not to be healthy for the eyes. My "close" viewing distance (if I'm holding it or laying down) is about 8-14 inches. My normal viewing distance (if its on my lap or the table) is about 19-23 inches (I took a tape measure to attempt to get an accurate measurement). At both my "close" and "normal" viewing distance I can see the checkerboard pattern on most solid colors (largely depends on the color) areas like backgrounds, text, and icons quite clearly.
So this seems like it would only effect certain individuals (would like to apologize to daddydark as I thought the issue was more wide spread). This is quite a disappointment for me as I am in the market for a new tablet and I have been interested in the galaxy note line for quite some time (hardly anyone puts a decent active stylus on their tablets). The Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 seemed like a great choice with great specs, great listed resolution, reliable active stylus. Guess I'll have to look into a different product (the screen is just too distracting for me unfortunately).

But the screens amazing!!!
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choji7 said:
Ok, I see the issue now, I decided to read up about it some more, here is a bit of a technical blog post. A person was explaining an issue similar to mine with Pentile's technology and they replied, in rather in depth detail http://pentileblog.com/oled/pentile-and-sharp-eyesight/
And I would highly suggest not putting your faces so close to the screens, you people are talking about 3 inches away, which is crazy, I took a tape measure and my eyes were really straining/hurting at about 3-4 inches, would imagine that not to be healthy for the eyes. My "close" viewing distance (if I'm holding it or laying down) is about 8-14 inches. My normal viewing distance (if its on my lap or the table) is about 19-23 inches (I took a tape measure to attempt to get an accurate measurement). At both my "close" and "normal" viewing distance I can see the checkerboard pattern on most solid colors (largely depends on the color) areas like backgrounds, text, and icons quite clearly.
So this seems like it would only effect certain individuals (would like to apologize to daddydark as I thought the issue was more wide spread). This is quite a disappointment for me as I am in the market for a new tablet and I have been interested in the galaxy note line for quite some time (hardly anyone puts a decent active stylus on their tablets). The Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 seemed like a great choice with great specs, great listed resolution, reliable active stylus. Guess I'll have to look into a different product (the screen is just too distracting for me unfortunately).
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The problem is you can look at every tablet out there, and non have the same resolution with pen support. Sad but true.

There's nothing wrong the screen, you can only see the pixels if you look at distances your not suppose too, and I have a keen eye
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skyline23 said:
The problem is you can look at every tablet out there, and non have the same resolution with pen support. Sad but true.
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Thread Cleaned.... Please stay on topic without disrespecting other users... Thanks!

Apple troll Good luck. And Good riddance.

I can see the pixels

So, I went to a local best buy and we were both staring at the same screen (the sales rep an I), I asked him he could see the pixelation and he said he couldn't but I could, so oh well, at least he wasn't rude about it. After some research and looking at other options I will keep the tablet as it was exactly what I wanted and I will just buy like a Nexus 7 for recreational use (where I am most likely to notice the pixelation).
Since most people here really seem to be very rude or disrespectful about this topic, I would appreciate if people just stop posting in this thread (aka let it die), as it doesn't seem to be an issue with the product but with my eyes.

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I can see the pixels
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This guy really confuses me. Wasn't he the one being disrespectful about you being able to see the pixels? Oh well. I think the opinion of a sales rep won't really be of any help because they will say anything to get you to buy something considering that they probably work on commission. I can see the pixels, but I learned to live with it because I use the GS3 which also has the same pentile technology.

choji7 said:
So, I went to a local best buy and we were both staring at the same screen (the sales rep an I), I asked him he could see the pixelation and he said he couldn't but I could, so oh well, at least he wasn't rude about it. After some research and looking at other options I will keep the tablet as it was exactly what I wanted and I will just buy like a Nexus 7 for recreational use (where I am most likely to notice the pixelation).
Since most people here really seem to be very rude or disrespectful about this topic, I would appreciate if people just stop posting in this thread (aka let it die), as it doesn't seem to be an issue with the product but with my eyes.
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Good luck to you fella, with eyes that keen I hope you find a job in law enforcement or something for the better good of society. Anyone hoping to steal a march over you better not reply upon Samsung.

I went to best buy and the sales guy said he could see my retina in my left eye, I couldn't. Something must be wrong with my note 2014 edition.

choji7 said:
So, I went to a local best buy and we were both staring at the same screen (the sales rep an I), I asked him he could see the pixelation and he said he couldn't but I could, so oh well, at least he wasn't rude about it. After some research and looking at other options I will keep the tablet as it was exactly what I wanted and I will just buy like a Nexus 7 for recreational use (where I am most likely to notice the pixelation).
Since most people here really seem to be very rude or disrespectful about this topic, I would appreciate if people just stop posting in this thread (aka let it die), as it doesn't seem to be an issue with the product but with my eyes.
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choji,
I have to get very close to see ANY pixilation. And I need a 6x magnifier to see it as well as the pictures you posted. But; I can't see near as well as I could 40 years ago either.
If you see enough to bother you from 12", then you have far better eyesight than most of us. There's nothing wrong with your eyes. That's the good news. The bad news is, you will be far more conscious of normal pixilation than others are. If I could have sight that good, I'd be willing to live with the pixilation on the icons.
Please don't read any rudeness or disrespect into my comments, none is intended.

If I may interject...
choji7 is specifically referring to the moire pattern visible on the green battery indicator on the shots of the samsung. But there is an explanation. And its not what he thinks.
The "live" battery indicator does have a crosshatch pattern. That is NOT a result of the pixel arrangement. It is the way the battery indicator was designed.
If you capture the screen, which he did in order to display it on an iPad, the Note seems to take a much lower res capture than the actual screen resolution. You can see this yourself if you capture a launcher screen, then show it in the gallery and then switch back to the live launcher. If you switch back and forth between the launcher and the gallery, you can't help but see that the capture is low res and lossy. The edges of icons look smooth on the launcher, but you will see edge pixels on the capture AND, most importantly, the battery indicator will magically be SOLID in the capture. So of course, if he displays the capture on the iPad, it will not show the pattern in the battery indicator as the capture eliminated it. If you look at the same capture on the Note, the battery indicator looks identical to the way it looks on the iPad. Its especially apparent if you enlarge the capture to show the battery indicator. It becomes a solid patch of green.
Mystery solved. Nothing wrong with the Note 10.1 screen.
My question is why is the default screen capture on the Note saving a very lossy, low-res image and how can you change it to lossless? I don't see an option to change that. The screen captures it made were tiny files of 3.7 MB PNG format. It should have been a much larger file at 2560x1600.

jaytee23 said:
If I may interject...
choji7 is specifically referring to the moire pattern visible on the green battery indicator on the shots of the samsung. But there is an explanation. And its not what he thinks.
The "live" battery indicator does have a crosshatch pattern. That is NOT a result of the pixel arrangement. It is the way the battery indicator was designed.
If you capture the screen, which he did in order to display it on an iPad, the Note seems to take a much lower res capture than the actual screen resolution. You can see this yourself if you capture a launcher screen, then show it in the gallery and then switch back to the live launcher. If you switch back and forth between the launcher and the gallery, you can't help but see that the capture is low res and lossy. The edges of icons look smooth on the launcher, but you will see edge pixels on the capture AND, most importantly, the battery indicator will magically be SOLID in the capture. So of course, if he displays the capture on the iPad, it will not show the pattern in the battery indicator as the capture eliminated it. If you look at the same capture on the Note, the battery indicator looks identical to the way it looks on the iPad. Its especially apparent if you enlarge the capture to show the battery indicator. It becomes a solid patch of green.
Mystery solved. Nothing wrong with the Note 10.1 screen.
My question is why is the default screen capture on the Note saving a very lossy, low-res image and how can you change it to lossless? I don't see an option to change that. The screen captures it made were tiny files of 3.7 MB PNG format. It should have been a much larger file at 2560x1600.
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That's actually not the design of the battery icon. Rather, the battery icon looks like that because of the technology of the screen used. Samsung decided to put a RGBW matrix screen rather than the traditional RGB matrix. You can see the difference in the review gsmarena did comparing the iPad Retina and the Note 10.1 2014. Here are the pics showing the matrices.
This is the traditional RGB matrix:
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choji7 said:
So, I went to a local best buy and we were both staring at the same screen (the sales rep an I), I asked him he could see the pixelation and he said he couldn't but I could, so oh well, at least he wasn't rude about it. After some research and looking at other options I will keep the tablet as it was exactly what I wanted and I will just buy like a Nexus 7 for recreational use (where I am most likely to notice the pixelation).
Since most people here really seem to be very rude or disrespectful about this topic, I would appreciate if people just stop posting in this thread (aka let it die), as it doesn't seem to be an issue with the product but with my eyes.
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I agree that some people have been disrespectful to you, I think most (inc myself) just find it hard to believe you can see any pixels on a screen which has the best screen possible in the tablet market. If you see pixels on this then surely you would see them on every tablet since the all have lower resolution. Anyways glad you decided to keep it and I hope you enjoy it as much as I have....I love it.
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The only thing I noticed when I seen the the Note 10.1 on display at a local electronics store (Bare in mind it was very very heavily lit area) was these faint white/crystal matrix lines running all along the entire screen from top to bottom and the viewing angle had to be pretty precise to see it and had to focus on it a lot - LOL.
Basically imagine the RGBW matrix that notebooko just posted, identical to that however very faint. But it seems as though it was on the screen since the screen was on and thats when I seen it.
I havent been able to recreate it in the house but curious to what it is. Just a guess but maybe it could be some sort of filer for the RGBW display or something.

TMobile LG G5 vs. TMobile Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge - Some Guy's Review

PURPOSE
So 1st and foremost, the plan here is to give you my experience with these 2 phones. Granted, I have only used the LG G5 for about 2 days now and can't say I have truly put it to task. This will be a unbiased look and comparison. I'm neither a fanboy or sheep. No brand affiliation. Not a programmer either, just a pro-sumer Senior Member of XDA willing to get trolled, flamed, etc. for sharing a look at these 2 phones. Hopefully, I can give "the everyday guy / gal look" without getting bogged down in stats, variables or benchmarks. Here goes...
MY BACKGROUND
No one special. Just a guy that likes the latest tech... phones being at the top of the list. I am a nerd. No doubt about that. I think anyone that knows about XDA probably is to some extent. No brand loyalty. Recently, I have had the privilege to try out the following phones:
1. LG G5
2. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
3. Huawei Mate 8
4. Huawei Nexus 6P
5. LG Nexus 5X
6. Samsung Note 5
7. Apple iPhone 6s+
And probably some more, but these are the most recent. Does that make me qualified to make a review... Maybe. It does make me an idiot that likes new phones, though. I am always looking for something that meets my needs but also is a good phone. Currently with TMobile but have been with ATT, Verizon & Sprint at some point 20 years of using cell phones.
MY NEEDS
I drive about 40 miles everyday to work (yes, my work week is currently 7 days a week with a few occasional days off). So, with this in mind and where I drive. I need the minimum requirements:
1. Can Stream Music
2. Bluetooth is fully compatible with my 2016 vehicle
3. An equalizer of some sort since I have only switch out my new cars speakers for better ones and don't plan on changing or adding a better sound system.
4. Decent pictures when needed
5. As a nerd, I like to "mesmerize" people with a pay with your phone app like Apple Pay or Android Pay
6. Works with my Huawei Watch
7. Relatively not laggy - will sometimes do some ROM-ing or some customization but since I tend to get rid of the phones quickly I try not to void warranties or make it too non-stock
THE COMPARISON
I am looking at my experience with the LG G5 and Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge under around these requirements and some normal stuff like battery, screen, snappiness, heat, speakers, etc. Here goes:
SOUND OVERALL
Both the S7 Edge and the LG G5 pass my car test. Both successfully hook up with the bluetooth in my Honda and work with the steering wheel controls. Sound-wise through bluetooth, the LG G5 is noticeably louder even with my equalizer app, Bass Boost Pro, overlayed to give my car some nice bass and equalization. The S7 Edge also tends to be less stable with the Bass Boost Pro App sometimes leading it to crash and causing the volume to go insanely high... only bad thing when you use an app not built into the UI of the phone. To note, I could not find a "stock" equalizer in the LG G5 UI. Touchwiz has it own set of equalization but they work horribly, but Bass Boost Pro does work over top of that which was not successful with Lollipop versions of Touchwiz. The S7 edge also tends to "pop" and "crack" every so often too. I listen to heavy metal and hard rock, so I play the stuff loud (Is there any other way to listen? haha). The LG G5 performs better, needs less power to the speakers to be louder and does not have the annoying "your going to go deaf warning" every time you restart the phone. I don't listen to music with headphones because I don't workout with music, run, swim or whatever you kids do know a days that you need a wired headphone. I listen to music the good ole' 'merican way - loud, in my car, with the windows down as much as possible so my devil music infects everyone around it... haha. Seriously, though someone who has experience with headphones can chime in if they want. LG G5's external speakers hands down are just better then the S7 Edge, but that's not saying much considering the speaker on the S7 is like the horn on a 1870's phonograph so it doesn't take much to beat it, basically they are stereo and loud on the G5 so its better.
WINNER: LG G5
BATTERY
Here goes, the LG G5 battery is not as good as the S7 Edge in all accounts. It may come close after being conditioned and after having a few charge cycles but overall it would never last as long as the S7 does. However, its removable and everyone can get a free one with a separate charger. Yes, you will have to carry around 2 batteries to last as long as the S7 Edge but that also means they are replaceable if the battery deteriorates over time. Not going to hit you with stats, battery screen captures, etc. It is what it is and no amount of stats change it.
WINNER: IT'S A TIE AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET A 2ND BATTERY & CHARGER FOR FREE FROM LG, OTHERWISE SAMSUNG S7 EDGE WINS.
HEAT
The LG G5 when taxed does heat up more so then the S7 Edge. During the initial setup when I lit up the Wifi for hours downloading stuff onto the phone it got hot, not going to 3rd degree HTC / Sony burn you white hot but hot nonetheless. The S7 Edge just does not get that hot. (Maybe cause it is underclocked? Just kidding...) Obviously, the metal/plastic body transfers heat to the outside of the phone faster with the LG G5 rather than the glass/ metal combo on the S7... however I did not get a warning like I did on the LG G5 when it was a little hot like I did the couple of times with the S7 Edge. Either way, it seems Samsung's intercooling system "edges" out here (no pun intended... well, maybe)
WINNER: SAMSUNG S7 EDGE
SNAPPINESS
I like to say snappiness rather than "performance" because I am not going to throw up "AnTuTu-ning-Out of this Review Scores" or any other clocking test. Talking real world. Even though both run the same processor with the same amount of RAM, the LG G5 is more snappy and responsive... My reasoning... Touchwiz and bloat. I was even running the S7 Edge with a number of bloat disabled and it still lags here and there. On both, I replaced the stock launchers with Xpirit's HTC Sense 7 for all devices... I like the Blinkfeed Sense Launcher... Yes I'm weird... but I don't really see anyone making a Touchwiz Launcher for all phones thread so I must not be the only one. The only game I play is Clash Royale right now. Both run it fine without heating up too bad. The interface seems to have more customization for the LG G5 UX even though I could not function without the app drawer, thus a custom launcher over top. Stock launcher wise I would give Touchwiz the Edge on that. Why Samsung do you ruin a phone with excessive bloat and unuseful apps that are so deeply entrenched into the UI? I cannot answer that question. I know that the LG G5 does not have a ton of bloat (at least the TMobile Variant doesn't, sorry AT&T customers) and has a bunch of useful additions (like smart settings and the always-on display). Also, things that I disable stay disabled without requiring a special app (I'm "looking" at you stupid LookOut Security) and more so, things can be actually fully uninstalled. With a bunch of different things disabled on the S7 as compared to the G5, it still lags more. When compared to something that really hasn't lag once since setup, it is something to say for the LG G5
WINNER: LG G5
DISPLAY
Ok. Samsung makes good displays. This is known the world over. LG isn't too shabby either. When I look at displays, I look at how they look but also how they work for me. The LG G5 always-on display is awesome and not an after-thought like on the S7. All notifications update on the always on display and in conjunction with the led notification. It's a good 1 - 2 punch. The edge screen is pretty nice too on the S7 just not overly useful. Colors are better on the S7. Auto brightness just works better on the LG G5... can't say why. it just does. I also tie-in the fingerprint sensor here. Its lightning fast on the LG G5 and I like the rear of the phone placement like the Huawei Mate 8 & Huawei Nexus 6P. The one on the S7 is fast when it doesn't lag, thanks again TouchWiz. Both LED's are bright and functional. Yes, the LG G5 has black light bleed on the edge of the phones. You will see people in reviews going crazy over this... I have 2 bags filled with something as to how much this honestly effects me (the something is Dicks). Once again, real world stuff that effects me.
WINNER: FUNCTIONALITY LG G5... PRETTINESS SAMSUNG S7
PHONE DESIGN
Here's where I am going to give a honest opinion and not this knee jerk, I haven't looked at it, Samsung Fanboy comment. Yes, the S7 edge is a pretty looking phone, designed well and has niceties like wireless charging. With that said, the G5 is not an ugly phone, its just a first attempt of something different and completely different direction for LG. With that said, could they have done a little more, maybe. Could they have come clean about the metal / plastic backing before putting it out there that it is all metal, of course they could have. Ergonomically, the G5 feels better in the hand and if I hold it around the edges the screen doesn't go haywire (oops AND I know Samsung is going to fix this). I have the Gold LG G5, which I quickly put a Ringke Slim Black Matte Case on, looks cooler with the case which says that yes the design is a little lacking. Its like looking at Kirsten Dunst... You would bang her if she was right there in front of you wanting it... however, if it was between her and lets say Megan Fox, yeah you would chose Megan Fox.... Not that Kirsten is hideous but she's not Megan Fox. Also much like Kirsten, there's things to like and not like about the LG G5's appearance. I think the "chin" as it is being called is like Kirsten teeth, some find them intolerable others find them cute. The dual camera and sensor setup on the back is not bad looking either but some find it slightly out of place. I don't mind either and with the case it looks a lot better (yes, I know the "pig" analogy here about "dressing up..." kinda of rude to call Kirsten a "pig" though, hahaha)
WINNER: SAMSUNG S7
CAMERA
Last and for some not least is the camera comparison. I place it last because I cannot say it enough... if you want good photos use an actual camera, point & shoot or DSLR. A phone camera is a substitute for a DSLR like Channing Frye is a substitute for LeBron James... yes, Channing might get the job done but in a big game you want LeBron. Cameras on phones are progressing to be better however they will always have 1 thing they can't overcome... that's physics. Plain and simple. You will never achieve what a big camera does because its bigger. Sensor, the lens, etc. is bigger captures more light, bigger surface area for the chip to absorb the image, etc. That's why I place this last. I look at a phone camera to be functional, take good pictures in a pinch or a setting where I can't take a bigger camera or just don't want to. I know what the limitations are and understand that I'm not going to be Ansel Adams with it. Therefore, I have not taken many pictures with either. The lens F-stop is better on the S7 Edge and thus let in more light leading to better overall pictures in low light. Physics not opinion. (thanks $30000 art institute degree) Dual Camera allows for wider field of view on the G5 due to the dual cameras. Once again, physics. At the end of the day, its what you need and how much more you will use it. Like to take pictures in bars of your friends drinking too much and getting wasted, probably the S7 is better for you. Like to take pictures of vistas outside with your phone thinking your Ansel Adams only to realize he use far superior equipment to take his pictures over 70 years ago, the G5's camera is your ticket
WINNER: IT'S A TIE AS I DON'T HAVE A REAL OPINION JUST YET
CONCLUSION
For me, the LG G5 is a nice phone and on par with the S7 Edge. It will work for me until I get to compare it hopefully to the high end M10 from HTC. Will it be everyone's cup of tea, no. And that's why there's options for everyone to choose what they like. Options are like opinions are like something else everyone has... I personally would say from a everyday usage standpoint, the LG G5 wins out. From a Megan Fox, Jennifer Aniston, Emily "To Long for a Jersey" Ratajkowski standpoint, the Samsung S7 Edge is where it is at... just remember though with all that beauty comes some high maintenance. There's nothing wrong with a Kirsten Dunst, Melissa Benoist, Kaley Cuoco phone... in fact, it might even surprise you in the end... (i.e. check out some photos of those 3 on the internet... haha)
As always please comment, thanks again! :good:

I'm really starting to like my G5. I think the thing that is really winning me over is how snappy everything is combined with some nice customization options with the virtual buttons. I also put a clear case on it and it looks rather sleek. The camera is miles ahead of my OnePlus One. I do wish the battery was bigger but with how my One's battery started to go to crap after 18 months, I really wanted to go back to a phone with a user replaceable battery.
Overall, I think I made the right choice for me. I can't go back to Samsung's lag even if the S7 Edge is pretty freaking amazing. It all comes down to your personal priorities.
Thanks for doing a direct comparison between the two phones.

Thanks for sharing your impressions :good: I've quoted you in my S7 vs. G5 thread in the S7/S7E section.

I loved your review. Finally a unbiased review. I have myself gone thru a ton of phones to decide which one i wanted.
Nexus 6p
Nexus 5x
Lg v10
Nexus 6
Ive returned or sold all of them and preordered the lg g5 coming in monday.
I can say all of them have great qualities and bad qualities. None are perfect. The 6p came close but the bending issue scared me and it was too big.
Im really excited for the g5.

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I loved your review. Finally a unbiased review. I have myself gone thru a ton of phones to decide which one i wanted.
Nexus 6p
Nexus 5x
Lg v10
Nexus 6
Ive returned or sold all of them and preordered the lg g5 coming in monday.
I can say all of them have great qualities and bad qualities. None are perfect. The 6p came close but the bending issue scared me and it was too big.
Im really excited for the g5.
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I have to say the closes I have come to a "perfect" phone is the Huawei Mate 8... if it wasn't for the fact that Android Pay doesn't work, it ia one of the best running phones... Can't wait to see the P9 Max with the Leica Camera... looks sweet
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Huawei-P9-press-image-of-the-phones-dual-camera-setup-and-fingerprint-scanner-surfaces_id79873
Until that phones gets announced next week & the HTC 10, I'll be happy with my G5 & free 360 Camera (already put in for the rebate)... has anyone confirmed if the 360 camera will work with other phones?
I know the apk may only show up in the app store if you have an LG G5 but I'm sure apkmirror will have it... just need someone to try it that has the camera with a different phone... :good: :fingers-crossed:

First phone I've had that beat the 6s
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I'm really starting to like my G5. I think the thing that is really winning me over is how snappy everything is combined with some nice customization options with the virtual buttons. I also put a clear case on it and it looks rather sleek. The camera is miles ahead of my OnePlus One. I do wish the battery was bigger but with how my One's battery started to go to crap after 18 months, I really wanted to go back to a phone with a user replaceable battery.
Overall, I think I made the right choice for me. I can't go back to Samsung's lag even if the S7 Edge is pretty freaking amazing. It all comes down to your personal priorities.
Thanks for doing a direct comparison between the two phones.
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I upgraded to an S7E last Thursday. During my lunch break today, however, I returned it and got a G5. It's only been a couple of hours, but it's already growing on me. I wasn't immediately hooked on it as I was with the S7E. It's been gradual: the more I use it, the more I like it. I'm not going to lie: the S7E does feel more premium than the G5 -everything from its heft when you hold it, to it's overall design. I also found the edge screen useful. But I realized I can accomplish the same tasks on my G5 that are possible on the S7E if I use a good launcher and widgets. The S7E was also a tad to big for my hands. It was uncomfortable for me to use with just one hand. The G5, on the other hand, is the perfect size for my hand. The G5 does feel faster than the S7E, and even though I've only taken a couple of photos, I like its camera more, too. The interchangeable battery is what ultimately did it for me. I enjoy having that option way too much. Another deciding factor? Innovation. I value that highly. I think LG is onto something, and it's rewarding to see a company willing to innovate as LG has done with the G5.

I also felt the LG G5 was much more responsive and snappy than the S7 Edge. Great review, enjoyed the read.
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I agree with just about everything. The one thing I'll add is the unlock process is even snappier on the G5. I had the S6 edge and the the S7 edge (for about 3 weeks) and found the fingerprint sensor to lag at times and even sometimes not recognize my fingerprint. Yes, I tried deleting and redoing my fingerprint over and over but still had the same problem. Typically, it wasn't bad. Just not as quick as the G5. Also, to me, the sensor on the G5 was in a more comfortable position when I picked up the phone. I also liked the fact that you can double-tap the screen if it's laying flat on a desk and then use a pattern if you don't want to use the sensor. Double tapping the screen also puts it into standby mode rather than hunting for the power button.
And lastly, the AOD on the G5 is much more useful. I have many apps that give me notifications (not just missed calls and texts) so the ability to see which app is causing a notification without turning the phone on is huge. It's possible Samsung has a software update to correct this limitation, but for now G5 AOD is much more useful.

Hi.. noobie here, but long time lurker.
Just got a G5 from a G4 and so far i'm pleased. Was wanting either a S7 or S7E since the Note 7 died that horrible death. I do like the smaller form factor and it is pretty zippy. However, at times, the speeds online are slow, but side by side, when faster, it beats my G4 on Ookla's speedtest.

Interesting comparison. I've been using a G5 for a few months now with one having been stolen and the other a cracked screen from a crazy concert fall lol. Instead of using insurance for a second time I've opted to get a Nexus 6P used to try something different. I'm still not sure if I'd rather just get my G5 fixed. There are some major things I'm missing on it. How would you compare the 6P against the G5?

Question Who is pre ordering?

Im coming from a z fold 3/ S22 ultra, wasnt planning on getting the 4 since the upgrades seemed very minor but i had some play time with it at Samsung and was surprised how much i liked it. Cameras are much improved especially the zoom (which was my big complaint on the 3 coming from the S21 ultra and 22 ultra).
Felt the decrease in weight and could actually notice the 3mm increase on the front screen. Figured im running out of storage on the 512gb fold 3 anyway so got the 1tb version.

Against my better judgement, I bit even though the differences were minor and since the deals last year were better through Samsung. Hope I don't regret it.
I was really considering the Vivo Xfold instead but I could not pull the trigger on that one because of lack of Volte support here in the US on my carriers.

Waiting for the Fold 4 512GB, GW5 Pro, and Buds 2 Pro to get here. Hopefully they come a few days early which is the typical. All showing an estimated delivery date of August 26th as of now with "Preorder" status and cancel button still available.

Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately

Jumped on the preorder too. Love the 3, but that camera is great! Who else thinks they spend too much on phones?

Yup, will be my first fold.

lawtq said:
Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately
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Yeap. Samsung's been a dull knife for almost 3 years straight now. A lot of dropped balls.
No SD card expandable storage makes this device a no sale right off the get go.
If you have a 1tb one reloads will very time consuming if have a large database. Worse there's nothing to prevent data loss on the device if the OS crashes or if the phone gets mangled.
Samsung knew better... screw em.

lawtq said:
Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately
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Sure, let me know when it comes with a warranty or support in the US and maybe I'll look. Also, what kind of water resistance does it have? Looks great but I need to know I won't have an issue especially since the Fold is what I use for work and the Pixel 6 Pro handles personal things.

preordered 12/512 Black. My first Fold...

94b20gsr said:
Sure, let me know when it comes with a warranty or support in the US and maybe I'll look. Also, what kind of water resistance does it have? Looks great but I need to know I won't have an issue especially since the Fold is what I use for work and the Pixel 6 Pro handles personal things.
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IPx8, so there's that.
However it's battery is only a 100mAh larger than my N10+'s which easily get 11+hrs SOT. I highly doubt any of the Folds can survive 2+ years of heavy usage without major repairs (excluding normal battery replacement). Their track record in this regard sucks.

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IPx8, so there's that.
However it's battery is only a 100mAh larger than my N10+'s which easily get 11+hrs SOT. I highly doubt any of the Folds can survive 2+ years of heavy usage without major repairs (excluding normal battery replacement). Their track record in this regard sucks.
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The Fold 4 does have IPx8, but my comments were in regards to the Xiaomi offering. I'm a little too aware of what the Fold has going for it. I've seen a vocal minority complaining about Folds on Reddit but I've also seen plenty of people with Fold 2's that are in use daily without any trouble. My Fold 3 is in perfect shape 1 year on.

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The Fold 4 does have IPx8, but my comments were in regards to the Xiaomi offering. I'm a little too aware of what the Fold has going for it. I've seen a vocal minority complaining about Folds on Reddit but I've also seen plenty of people with Fold 2's that are in use daily without any trouble. My Fold 3 is in perfect shape 1 year on.
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It's a leading edge technology that literally stretching the materials to their design limits.
In a prefect world this might work... the Fold's fail in a predictable pattern. When Samsung's QC is good its less. Samsung's QC isn't what is was 3 years ago though. Plenty of failures across the board, not just with the Folds. This may work in your favor. Samsung is desperate to make this design succeed.
All my old phones as old as 12 yo that are still fully functional in spite of a hard lives. The Folds are incapable of that without major repairs. This N10+ in my hands is almost 3 years old, it looks, feels and runs like new. It's always case protected; something that's hard to do with a foldable. It's projected service life is 2+ years more. So far I've seen nothing new that can effectively replace it. Google Android is also very much a large part of the problem since Android 11 it's been a scoped storage paranoid mess.
Xiaomi hasn't invested the time and money Samsung has although they may have learned from that. If Xiaomi isn't bragging about its IP rating it's for a reason...

94b20gsr said:
Sure, let me know when it comes with a warranty or support in the US and maybe I'll look. Also, what kind of water resistance does it have? Looks great but I need to know I won't have an issue especially since the Fold is what I use for work and the Pixel 6 Pro handles personal things.
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Go knock yourself out then. If you need those things, fair enough.
I want to like this, but the only real thing I'll notice are better cameras, rebadged fold 3. We just lapp it up every year. Lazy ahhhse Samsung, in the sense it's not different enough from its predecessor.
IWe all have different needs. If you've never gone fold before also, it'll be nice, after you've been resuscitated from the shock of that price

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Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately
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I totally agree. Samsung is so boring!
I personally would NEVER BUY SAMSUNG!
Samsung deliberately removed the real fastboot and replaced it with a fake empty one that doesn't even do anything. Samsung did this on purpose to annoy their users...
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Then Samsung force constant selinux enforcing down your throat and the only way to set it to permissive is by actually hacking into your kernel. Sounds like fun right?
Every year Samsung force you to use AMOLED display which is suboptimal. Why not give your customers alternative display technology options such as IPS panel for instance?
And if you are unlucky enough to get stuck in a very annoying and mysterious bootloop then as a new user you will have a hard time to get back out of it on a Samsung device. It's much easier to get out of bootloops on other manufacturer's devices (those with a real working fastboot).
That's why I prefer Xiaomi devices nowadays. Cheap price, good hardware, easy to unlock (1 week waiting time which is kind of annoying but still somewhat acceptable), easy to root and debloat and customize
And with Xiaomi devices you can actually choose between OLED and IPS panels...
And the best part is : setenforce 0 actually works on Xiaomi devices! I know most Samsung folks can only dream of doing that (even as root!). No need to be jealous, just buy Xiaomi device next time! You won't regret it!
I know I always regret those damn Samsung devices...
Don't get me wrong the Samsung hardware is great (well minus the display) and their stock Android OS is rock solid if you ask me.
The only problem is Samsung has this policy of needlessly annoying their power users by adding all these useless protection features that nobody really needs. Why can't they be more like Xiaomi?
Conclusion: Xiaomi devices are much more developer friendly than Samsung devices.
There may be other good phone manufacturers out there but so far I've only tried Sony, HTC, Samsung and Xiaomi (in chronological order). Xiaomi is the clear winner for me by far. None of the others can even get close.
Just my 3 cents

i'm not a developer or interested in rooting (anymore). trading in my Fold3 and S22 Ultra, for an unlocked 1TB Fold 4 and Watch5 Pro. The Fold3 was my personal device and the S22 Ultra is a (free to me) work phone. Employer is switching to iPhones and allowing Android users to keep their (work) Android devices or use a personal device for work (as long as it passes security checks). this is the perfect scenario for me, making my decision an easy one: Fold 4 with dual sim capabilities for $216.

LOL, microSD card and headphone jack are EXTINCT. Yes they are NEVER coming back so we really need to stop beating that dead horse already!
The offshore devices are nice but what good are they if you cannot use the USA bands? Dealbreaker right there...
Some things I wish we had:
IR Blaster. Don't think it's ever coming back. It may be more of a regulatory thing than anything else.
S-pen included with internal storage like Note proper, right?
Periscope camera if not too bulky.
I thought the Fold 4 was getting UFS 4.0 storage?
Some sources indicate the Flip 4, like its predecessor, won't be getting WiFi 6E capability! That's madness if true. We recently updated our WiFi here to support this connectivity and the speed is superb. It was "maddening" to find my Flip 3 was getting under 1Gbps because there was no WiFi 6E. Yet the Fold 3 has it?!
I like the Flip 3 but I like the Fold 3 even better. $900 for the Flip3 is great trade in so of course I sprung for it. What I'm not thrilled about is the cost to jump to 1TB. If it had 16GB RAM like the S21 512GB then maybe. I dunno. I don't really need that much space on them as the video capture doesn't really need space (like the iPhone 13 Pro Max) so there's that.
At least we have esim now out of the box. Finally!
I may run caseless for a while too. The s-pen with case was "free" with the deal but ugh, so much bulk. I hate, HATE bulk. I buy these aramid thin ass covers for my devices. I see latercase already has it for preorder. I'm going to wait and get essentially the same thing off Amazon for half the price LOL!
Don't even dare mention how much I spend on phones!
I'm on the fence with the iphone 14 pro max in a few weeks. Got to see how much better the camera is going to be. But I read it's going to cost 15% more? WTF a 1TB 14 Pro Max is going to cost more than the Fold 4 MSRP (512GB). That's nuts. Lightning still Apple? USB 2.0 speed in 2022! Madness! At least it will have WiFi6E so airdrop to our NAS will be OK for time being. And I'm not a fan of the sideways exclamation point display cutout FFS! I have no problem losing FaceID for a power button FP reader. The ones on the Fold3 and Flip3 are FLAWLESS and super convenient IMHO.
Ok enough rambling on here. Clock is ticking. Need to start a preorder waiting room thread LOL!

I have a hard time staying away when Samsung has a new release, particularly a phone that appears to be as good as the Fold 4 is looking to be. I traded in my S22 Ultra and I am really happy with the Trade in Deal samsung offered....can't wait ..fingers crossed they ship early like they have usually done in the past...

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Im coming from a z fold 3/ S22 ultra, wasnt planning on getting the 4 since the upgrades seemed very minor but i had some play time with it at Samsung and was surprised how much i liked it. Cameras are much improved especially the zoom (which was my big complaint on the 3 coming from the S21 ultra and 22 ultra).
Felt the decrease in weight and could actually notice the 3mm increase on the front screen. Figured im running out of storage on the 512gb fold 3 anyway so got the 1tb version.
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Nice to see you here force I am on the fence of pre ordering not many deals in canada this time around.

I would have bought the X fold 100% if 5g worked on rogers i Canada, much prefer its form factor and camera to the fold 3 or 4.
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Nice to see you here force I am on the fence of pre ordering not many deals in canada this time around.
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Been while thats for sure lol.
Yeah they really treat Canada like an afterthought, some great pre order options in the US but we get the shaft lol

lawtq said:
Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately
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Yes, slim hehe But what about features? Wireless charging? IP rating? Inner screen front camera? Software (Xiaomi's support is poor)?
Do you prefer to buy a nice looking or functional device?