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Is there any reason that all leaks so far says that the phone only have 8GB Storage. Especially the HTC HD7, which is supposed to be HTCs state of the art Phone should have at least 16GB Storage from the beginning. 8GB isn't quite enough for someone with a lot of music and other media, and to say "but it has 25GB cloud storage!" isn't valid when talking about Music and media, scince the cloud isn't always there and can't be as responsive as a local storage.
Nobody knows anything for sure. Every leak was mentioning 8GB in all devices except an LG one, but whether that will be the only option or this is just the amount of storage in current pre-production devices or this is the capacity of storage cards that will be shipped (but can be somehow changed later) remains to be seen.
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Nobody knows anything for sure. Every leak was mentioning 8GB in all devices except an LG one, but whether that will be the only option or this is just the amount of storage in current pre-production devices or this is the capacity of storage cards that will be shipped (but can be somehow changed later) remains to be seen.
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I hope they're all just held on by a latch under the battery...if not those OEMs that just made 8GB phones really messed up. But they're just Gen 1 phones anyway. Really hoping to see MS code the drivers for Hummingbird & Tegra chipsets.
If those cards are somehow accessible, that would indeed be great. Especially if SDXC is supported.
On the other hand, they can easily mess up, this won't be the first or the last time they do it.
I think that the reason we are seeing 8GB on all the leaks are because these are test devices.
Let's think about it, most of the device specs that have been leaked are using non-removable SD cards.
SD cards are relatively cheap, just plug it in and viola, you got 8, 16, or 32 GB. Knowing this, it seems likely that we'll see an OEM (such as HTC), release one device (such as HD3) with several different storage levels (8GB, 16GB, 32GB) simply because the cost of adding a higher storage card is negligible compared to using flash storage.
The reason for all these 8GB devices is because WP7 requires a minimum of 8GB built in storage for apps and media. Manufacturers can make it as high they want.
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Is there any reason that all leaks so far says that the phone only have 8GB Storage. Especially the HTC HD7, which is supposed to be HTCs state of the art Phone should have at least 16GB Storage from the beginning. 8GB isn't quite enough for someone with a lot of music and other media, and to say "but it has 25GB cloud storage!" isn't valid when talking about Music and media, scince the cloud isn't always there and can't be as responsive as a local storage.
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Exactly one of the reasons why I don't want to buy WP7 when it comes out. I might go to Android for the time being.
All CPUs are qualcomm 8250, no tethering, 8gb storage, no expanision (had this been on the phones, it would have forgiven the 8gb internal storage). All though I LOVE how it is incorporated to XBL, I don't think that is enough to win me over. I'm on the fence here.
Yeah, that they're also using the QSD8250 sucks. On the other hand, I don't think that Android will be faster with QSD8650A than a WP7 with the QSD8250. Part because Android is kinda slow so the extra CPU power will probably be consumed and games and Apps in Android is developed to fit with slower devices (and devices without 2.2)
Tethering is confirmed from what I've heard, but it's up to the carrier to decide if it should be enabled.
My biggest worries is still the 8GB memory (and lack of important APIs), but hopefully it's only because of the testing devices all leaks report 8GB.
Ideally, I would love have any WP7 with a SD Slot so I can go and buy a 32gb to potentially replace my 30gb 1st gen Zune, since it's built in then use whatever is onboard for phone use. As of right now, I'm still rocking a day 1 G1 with the stock 1gb inside, so anything right now will be considered an upgrade. I do have a feeling that the "leaked" specs may just test units or even a Euro specific version and the US version may differ....but then again that would be in a perfect world. Only time will tell with the "official release".
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Ideally, I would love have any WP7 with a SD Slot so I can go and buy a 32gb to potentially replace my 30gb 1st gen Zune, since it's built in then use whatever is onboard for phone use. As of right now, I'm still rocking a day 1 G1 with the stock 1gb inside, so anything right now will be considered an upgrade. I do have a feeling that the "leaked" specs may just test units or even a Euro specific version and the US version may differ....but then again that would be in a perfect world. Only time will tell with the "official release".
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How the hell does Your G1 have 1g of internal storage?
After this post, The XDA app probably forced closed from my froyo lacking Vibrant
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How the hell does Your G1 have 1g of internal storage?
After this post, The XDA app probably forced closed from my froyo lacking Vibrant
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Not internal....SD Card. Hell, 1gb internal would be amazing. I dont use many apps but it sure would help out.
Thus far after much research it's looking like, for the UK at least, only the following phones will have 16GB of storage;
HTC Surround
LG Optimus 7
LG Optimus 7Q
All the others seem to have 8GB.
Bearing in mind I currently have an HD2 with a 16GB SD card in it, I was hoping that "upgrading" to WP7 would bring a jump in storage to at least 32GB. Now it looks like remaining at 16GB is the best I can hope for, and moving over to the HD7 would result in a halving of storage back to 8GB.
Anyway, the above 3 phones at least seem to offer the same storage as I currently have.
I'm guessing most of the phones only have 8GB so they can provide an upgrade path in 12 months time to 16 or 32, so that we can spend more money on buying yet another phone.
Bearing in mind I have 60GB of music and 20GB of photos, I'm a bit peeved. Especially as the iPhone seems to have up to 64GB.
I thought O2 were bumping up the HD7 to 16GB? At least that's what they have it listed as in their 'Coming soon' section and their press blog!
the hd7 in uk will have 16gh, some omnia 7's may do. I don't think the uk is getting the surround. I am hoping that the trophy has been hiding the fact it has sd cards as they are selling them on there website for that phone.
There have been a number of indicators recently that the HD7 has a microsd slot, so even a device with 8GB should be upgradable to 16 or 32GB. Jolly good.
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There have been a number of indicators recently that the HD7 has a microsd slot, so even a device with 8GB should be upgradable to 16 or 32GB. Jolly good.
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I am hoping that this is true as even though I have never used up an 8gig SD card, the games on WP7 will most likely be bigger than the games on Android.
To be honest I am struggling with there thinking that 8 GB memory is enough.
This phone is supposed to be for gaming,music,video,photos and office Documents. not to mention if you record in 720P the phone will be full in no time.
Yep, the HTC HD7 has 16GB memory. Just been confirmed by O2.
http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phone/HTC/HD7
and an official price tag of £380.00...not that bad. I wonder what I can get for my HD2...
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...and an official price tag of £380.00...not that bad...
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Finally some adequate price. Hope we will see soon a good offers for other models as well.
I think I will hold off in buying HD7. I believe HTC will eventually raise the specs(hoping!wishing!) including the SD card slot. Might use my trusty HD2, which basically is HD7 with WM6.5 OS.
Omnia 7 16Gb
Samsung's site ( omnia7.samsungmobile.com ) state there's a 16Gb version under the Specifications.
Has anybody been able to actually CONFIRM this? Everyone I talk to denies knowledge if it even existing and Samsung haven't responded.
A 16Gb Omnia 7 is the only phone I'd consider getting now otherwise I'll just continue to wait.
According to this...
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/samsung-focus-review
The Samsung Focus is expandable to 40GB, i.e. it has a slot and you can use a 32GB card. Bonza!
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According to this...
pocketnow.com/windows-phone/samsung-focus-review
The Samsung Focus is expandable to 40GB, i.e. it has a slot and you can use a 32GB card. Bonza!
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Thanks for the info, but unfortunately the Focus is US-only and isn't available here in the UK (for some unknown reason). 40Gb sure does sound good compared to the majority 8Gb models available in the UK :/
Just been down to the O2 shop this morning. Had a look under the battery and no SD card slot
However there is a plastic label so maybe there is on under there? We'll not know untill someone disassembles but so far it looks unlikely.
As MS is been tight lipped about WP7 until now, I was surprised... but expandable memory should not be an issue as MS wants the users to use the phone as Zune and play games...
I can’t see a reason to restrict ppl from expanding the memory....
honestly 16GB will be fine for me as i keep my music and videos on my 60GB touch... its almost full.. so i can never ***** about not enough memory on my phone..
I really cannot understand why OEM's created this frustration with the amount of the internal memory. At least they are using a soldered microSD cards so all of us know how much the difference between 8 and 16 GB costs. Even the iPhone 4, as typical overpriced Apple product, has £500 price tag and 16 GB internal memory. For comparison Omnia 7 has the same preorder price and the miserable 8 GB.
How they imagine competing with all of the marvellous Android phones that are coming and even with the iPhone? Or they just experimenting with the new platform...
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I really cannot understand why OEM's created this frustration with the amount of the internal memory. At least they are using a soldered microSD cards so all of us know how much the difference between 8 and 16 GB costs. Even the iPhone 4, as typical overpriced Apple product, has £500 price tag and 16 GB internal memory. For comparison Omnia 7 has the same preorder price and the miserable 8 GB.
How they imagine competing with all of the marvellous Android phones that are coming and even with the iPhone? Or they just experimenting with the new platform...
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I have noticed this with Samsung time and time again, They place a great screen on this phone then use a poor camera, and skimp on memory. But still want top dollar for there product.
I understand the sound quality is poor compared to HTC phones as well.
It is a huge over-site not having a larger capacity for the memory, The manufactures are to blame here where are the 32 GB and 64 GB versions.
It almost feels as if the manufactures want this product to fail.
I hope they bring larger sizes soon.
Apple update the spec of their devices every year and I think Microsoft should look to do this also...
In addition to the Gyroscope and new processors metioned at MIX I would like to see the following...
Fall 2011 - Windows Phone 7.5
1. Front Facing Camera - Launched with Live Messenger, Skype etc...
2. 16 GB Minimum Memory - I have no space for new APPS on my 8 GB device!!
3. SD Card option like on the Samsung Focus as standard.
Fall 2012 - Windows Phone 8
1. DLNA - Stream movies, photos to TV
2. Windows Button to also be 8 directional D-PAD as standard.
3. Allow remapping of all buttons when in Game Mode.
3. NFC - contactless mobile payments
4. USB 3
5. Bluetooth 3 or 4
6. XGA Resolution 1024 x 768
7. HDMI
8. Dual Core processors - multiple suppliers
I am sure there will be Android devices that meet these specs by late 2012
Low end devices would stay as WP7 and WP8 would support the high end features... Microsoft has already said this is the strategy.
I think the most important update should be software and increase in software features to improve the versatility of the platform. Windows 7 phones as at now are by no means low in specs.
Agrred the current specs are high enough for the momment. The main problem is software develpoers trying to create sual core supported software which, means its better if ms wait a while and do what andorid have whereby they have increased spped of the os and added new features and battery saving features mainly. Also speed wise JIT would be good.
The specs are fine, but I do see them improving, obviously. I've stated in other threads I see them updating faster because of market production and not because of necessity, unlike Android.
With that being said, I do see FFC coming this Fall. Though, obviously, they won't be mandatory, and will probably be featured on the phones on par with what's available today. Video out will probably be available sometime, though I don't think in Mango, but it would make sense with Netflix on the device. They won't go with multiple suppliers of processors, that takes away from the consistency of the device... And Qualcomm is a fine manufacturer... Why the need for change here?
Resolution has also been said it won't change, hasn't it? Really don't blame them, again, consistency. As far for hardware adjustments... No... Just... No.
And the memory option affects price. There are 16gb devices, why didn't you get one of those? I have 16gb -.- They need smaller devices to attract different users, you can't only have max devices on the market.
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Apple update the spec of their devices every year and I think Microsoft should look to do this also...
In addition to the Gyroscope and new processors metioned at MIX I would like to see the following...
Fall 2011 - Windows Phone 7.5
1. Front Facing Camera - Launched with Live Messenger, Skype etc... - Useless without the Apps. Not sure if Skype wants to tax their network by just letting any and everyone video call right now, TBQH...
2. 16 GB Minimum Memory - I have no space for new APPS on my 8 GB device!! - Why did you buy an 8GB device?
3. SD Card option like on the Samsung Focus as standard. - They're better off setting the minimum storage to 16GB than add a slot IMO. SD Cards lose their utility with the way WP7 uses them, and it's a PITA to use them after you take them out the phone as well...
Fall 2012 - Windows Phone 8
1. DLNA - Stream movies, photos to TV - Standard on High End Android devices.
2. Windows Button to also be 8 directional D-PAD as standard. Huh?
3. Allow remapping of all buttons when in Game Mode. - That still wouldn't make the phone a decent gaming device. Have to go the Sony rought to have something decent, IMO.
3. NFC - contactless mobile payments - Becoming standard on Android phones. Newer Blackberries will ship with this as well, and I suspect the next iPhone will as well as WebOS devices.
4. USB 3 - Unnecessary, IMO.
5. Bluetooth 3 or 4 - Galaxy S phones shipped with 3.0 in the middle of last year... Kinda late for this but it doesn't matter that much if your other devices don't support it, IMO.
6. XGA Resolution 1024 x 768 - Unnecessary on smartphone screens. Even qHD is IMO unecessary on screens 4.3" and below. Apple can afford to put this because they charge a premium for their devices, but it's pretty meh. qHD is decent, this is overkill...
7. HDMI - This is a pretty standard feature these days...
8. Dual Core processors - multiple suppliers - Agree...
I am sure there will be Android devices that meet these specs by late 2012
^ Apart from the screen resolution and USB3, both of which are pipe dreams... There are already Android phones that meet or exceed these specs now...
Low end devices would stay as WP7 and WP8 would support the high end features... Microsoft has already said this is the strategy.
^ Link pls... WTB Windows Phone fragmentation?
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If Microsoft wants to wait until Fall 2012 to introduce half that stuff you have listed... They mind as well just give up now.
Do us all a favor and ask them to put better batteries in their smartphones. The issue with smartphones is not the hardware. Even 1st gen snapdragons are good enough to make a good, featureful, performant smartphone OS on... The issue is that these phones last half a day with heavy usage, when you could do 2-3 days of heavy usage on Blackberries and Nokia phones...
No one cares how pretty it is or how well it performs if they are tethered to a charger all the time, and that's pretty much the status quo for WP7/Android/WebOS and to a lesser extent iOS these days...
Even with 1800-1930 mAh batteries phones like the Galaxy S II/Atrix 4G etc. manage to have battery life measured in < a day of moderate use... That's pretty incredible (not in a good way, either). It's time for manufacturers and companies like Microsoft/Google to stop feeding the needless spec bumping and focus on something that matters more - making phones that won't be rendered useless for hours due to being tethered to a charger if you happen to doze off at night before you plug the charger into it.
Better Battery Life in general, as N8ter said. I think this is the thing iOS, wp7 & Android platforms really need to focus on more right now.
16GB minimum internal NAND memory, although I hope to see at least one 32GB or more (probably Nokia) in the next year. Memory is not that expensive, and if we are to have our music collections on our phones, Nokia and Apple are the only ones who seem to get that you need space. I'll pay a little more for enough storage.
The new processor spec's are fine, don't need dual core yet but would like to see them start to come out by early next year.
I really expect a front facing camera phone will be out with Mango due to Skype being released. One of the OEM's will have one as a flagship if not more. But do people really use this feature much? Not really, but it still has uses, and those who will use it and should be available with Mango imo.
Other than that, its additional software features that are needed most. Mango is taking care of a decent list of complaints I had as will Nokias Navtek data/Ovi maps, but there are still many things to be added.
Fall 2012??? OMG... If Mango can do good enough... Mango is still WIP, so why don;t they add some feature that might "Magnet" some other users? 1, 3, 5, 7,8 from Windows Phone 8 are good example to be put on Mango.
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Better Battery Life in general, as N8ter said. I think this is the thing iOS, wp7 & Android platforms really need to focus on more right now.
16GB minimum internal NAND memory, although I hope to see at least one 32GB or more (probably Nokia) in the next year. Memory is not that expensive, and if we are to have our music collections on our phones, Nokia and Apple are the only ones who seem to get that you need space. I'll pay a little more for enough storage.
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I agree, but the manufacturers charge too much for strage. Going from an 8 to 16 GB phone can easily add $100 to the price at times. It's ridiculous. They will nickle and dime at any opportunity.
Nokia phones only needed a decent size ROM. They have SD Card Slots. Same for Windows Mobile and to a lesser extent Android. iOS, WP7, and WebOS devices need at least 16 GB internal storage, because of the lack of an SD slot or the way the phone works with SD Cards (WP7).
The new processor spec's are fine, don't need dual core yet but would like to see them start to come out by early next year.
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Agree.
I really expect a front facing camera phone will be out with Mango due to Skype being released. One of the OEM's will have one as a flagship if not more. But do people really use this feature much? Not really, but it still has uses, and those who will use it and should be available with Mango imo.
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I have no use for a FFC, and TBQH, I don't even want a phone with a FFC. I'll take an extra 8GB of space instead of a FFC for same price, plix...
Other than that, its additional software features that are needed most. Mango is taking care of a decent list of complaints I had as will Nokias Navtek data/Ovi maps, but there are still many things to be added.
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Agree, and Mango needed to be coming out now, not in six months. They really dropped the ball releasing basically a feature phone in the smartphone market.
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I agree, but the manufacturers charge too much for strage. Going from an 8 to 16 GB phone can easily add $100 to the price at times. It's ridiculous. They will nickle and dime at any opportunity.
Nokia phones only needed a decent size ROM. They have SD Card Slots. Same for Windows Mobile and to a lesser extent Android. iOS, WP7, and WebOS devices need at least 16 GB internal storage, because of the lack of an SD slot or the way the phone works with SD Cards (WP7).
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Nokia's N8 has 64GB internal storage (if I remember correctly). Doesn't NAND memory work better than internal + a removable SD card? I never got great performance out of my SD cards in BB, Android ect. And it seems MS wants everything to be sync'd through zune instead of having removable media ect.
I just hope there is an option for at least 32GB soon, but I would definitely prefer fast and efficient NAND storage like what the Focus has.
I have no use for a FFC, and TBQH, I don't even want a phone with a FFC. I'll take an extra 8GB of space instead of a FFC for same price, plix...
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I would as well.
dtboos said:
Nokia's N8 has 64GB internal storage (if I remember correctly). Doesn't NAND memory work better than internal + a removable SD card? I never got great performance out of my SD cards in BB, Android ect. And it seems MS wants everything to be sync'd through zune instead of having removable media ect.
I just hope there is an option for at least 32GB soon, but I would definitely prefer fast and efficient NAND storage like what the Focus has.
I would as well.
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The N8 does not have 64 GB storage. I'm pretty sure it's 16 GB + SD Card Slot, just like Galaxy S phones...
Yep, just checked... 16 GB Internal Storage with support for up to 32 GB SD Card.
I used to install all my apps to a Class 2 SD Card in Windows Mobile as well as put all my music and videos on it and never had any issues with performance.
In any case, that's not a factor. SD Cards for for media storage, and you can get a high class card if you need it. As long as the phone has a decent amount of internal storage it's not gonna be a problem
I just rather the phone come with at least 16GB internal so I don't feel like I have to splurge for an expensive big SD Card on top of an already expensive device. Plus, it makes a lot of sense...
With the way WP7 works with SD cards, they're better off putting in a large amount of internal storage. SD Cards are how swappable storage and when you make them unswappable it defeats the purpose of even having the slot - especially when you have to factory reset your phone everytime you want to change it (which means you're need to get the biggest card possible off the bad, or deal with a ridiculous inconvenience later on if you want to upgrade it)...
Also, until Microsoft mandates storage types most manufacturers will continue to use SD cards. It allows them to spend VERY little money putting lots of storage whilst charging consumers a ton of money simply because there is a lot of storage there... SD Cards are ridiculously cheap compared to NAND, but you'd never know in the pricing...
Also, if an SD Card goes bad, the phone is much easier to repair than another with a NAND chip soldered in. It's as easy as opening it up, replacing that card, and factory resetting the device then sending it back... That can potentially lower support costs as well
Looks like the 64GB N8 was an april fools gag...I fell for it :O
I wish my Focus had 16GB thats for sure. I chose it as it had the best form factor, best screen, and Samsung's Chipset/Memory was also top notch. Why they chose to only put in 8GB is beyond me.
Hello, I just wanted to ask a simple question.
I'm debating between buying a 16GB model or a 32GB model, the European version, that is.
Since the difference is not only in storage, but also in available memory (2GB/16GB vs 3GB/32GB) I wanted to know if there was any noticeable difference in performance between those two, something that should make me think of getting the more powerful version.
Aside from that, a minor question that I probably have answered already: do both versions come with QI wireless charging onboard? Or it's just a 32gb feature? As far as I know, they both come with that feature built-in, but I just want to make sure.
Thanks for all the future replies.
I can not inform you about the performance differences between the 16 aand 32GB versions.
Owning a 16GB EU (NL) G3, however, I can confirm that at least my EU 16 GB model has a QI interface on board.
No complaints on performace here btw...
If a gamer, the biggest issue is when L hits, ART requires 25% more storage and 1gb more free than Dalvik. That is a huge storage hit and functionally turns the 16gb into a 12gb model.
When L releases, 16gb devices are near futile for anybody that plays games on their device beyond card type games.
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If a gamer, the biggest issue is when L hits, ART requires 25% more storage and 1gb more free than Dalvik. That is a huge storage hit and functionally turns the 16gb into a 12gb model.
When L releases, 16gb devices are near futile for anybody that plays games on their device beyond card type games.
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I seriously wouldn't recommended this phone for games. You are better of with something like the One plus one.
But back OT this question has been asked a number of times. Just do a search.
So, as most of you already got the idea, I want to buy a SD card.
But I don't understand the difference between EVO+ and PRO+ and, the new one, Pro Endurance. It seems that the 128/256GB version of PRO+ is out of stock and Pro Endurance offers 128GB version, but it's weaker than PRO+.
If I'm giving the money, I'm interesting in spending in the best version, even though it's more expensive. In this case, EVO+ takes the trophy since it's available in 256GB.
Any other opinions on this? Thanks!
The Pro+ is supposedly the professional grade SD card. As for what folks think are the best, it's one of those subjective things and you'll probably get different opinions. For reliability the only choice for me is SanDisk. Over the years they have been proven to be the top brand of SD cards. Maybe that's why they are the most counterfeited SD card by far. Many phone manufacturers use SanDisk as their internal memory in phones and tablets. I'm partial to the SanDisk Extreme PLUS microSDXC as it supports 4K also.
I am waiting for 512GB by Samsung or SanDisk. And what about Samsung Select? Are those cherry picked for speed, reliability or both?