Apple update the spec of their devices every year and I think Microsoft should look to do this also...
In addition to the Gyroscope and new processors metioned at MIX I would like to see the following...
Fall 2011 - Windows Phone 7.5
1. Front Facing Camera - Launched with Live Messenger, Skype etc...
2. 16 GB Minimum Memory - I have no space for new APPS on my 8 GB device!!
3. SD Card option like on the Samsung Focus as standard.
Fall 2012 - Windows Phone 8
1. DLNA - Stream movies, photos to TV
2. Windows Button to also be 8 directional D-PAD as standard.
3. Allow remapping of all buttons when in Game Mode.
3. NFC - contactless mobile payments
4. USB 3
5. Bluetooth 3 or 4
6. XGA Resolution 1024 x 768
7. HDMI
8. Dual Core processors - multiple suppliers
I am sure there will be Android devices that meet these specs by late 2012
Low end devices would stay as WP7 and WP8 would support the high end features... Microsoft has already said this is the strategy.
I think the most important update should be software and increase in software features to improve the versatility of the platform. Windows 7 phones as at now are by no means low in specs.
Agrred the current specs are high enough for the momment. The main problem is software develpoers trying to create sual core supported software which, means its better if ms wait a while and do what andorid have whereby they have increased spped of the os and added new features and battery saving features mainly. Also speed wise JIT would be good.
The specs are fine, but I do see them improving, obviously. I've stated in other threads I see them updating faster because of market production and not because of necessity, unlike Android.
With that being said, I do see FFC coming this Fall. Though, obviously, they won't be mandatory, and will probably be featured on the phones on par with what's available today. Video out will probably be available sometime, though I don't think in Mango, but it would make sense with Netflix on the device. They won't go with multiple suppliers of processors, that takes away from the consistency of the device... And Qualcomm is a fine manufacturer... Why the need for change here?
Resolution has also been said it won't change, hasn't it? Really don't blame them, again, consistency. As far for hardware adjustments... No... Just... No.
And the memory option affects price. There are 16gb devices, why didn't you get one of those? I have 16gb -.- They need smaller devices to attract different users, you can't only have max devices on the market.
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Apple update the spec of their devices every year and I think Microsoft should look to do this also...
In addition to the Gyroscope and new processors metioned at MIX I would like to see the following...
Fall 2011 - Windows Phone 7.5
1. Front Facing Camera - Launched with Live Messenger, Skype etc... - Useless without the Apps. Not sure if Skype wants to tax their network by just letting any and everyone video call right now, TBQH...
2. 16 GB Minimum Memory - I have no space for new APPS on my 8 GB device!! - Why did you buy an 8GB device?
3. SD Card option like on the Samsung Focus as standard. - They're better off setting the minimum storage to 16GB than add a slot IMO. SD Cards lose their utility with the way WP7 uses them, and it's a PITA to use them after you take them out the phone as well...
Fall 2012 - Windows Phone 8
1. DLNA - Stream movies, photos to TV - Standard on High End Android devices.
2. Windows Button to also be 8 directional D-PAD as standard. Huh?
3. Allow remapping of all buttons when in Game Mode. - That still wouldn't make the phone a decent gaming device. Have to go the Sony rought to have something decent, IMO.
3. NFC - contactless mobile payments - Becoming standard on Android phones. Newer Blackberries will ship with this as well, and I suspect the next iPhone will as well as WebOS devices.
4. USB 3 - Unnecessary, IMO.
5. Bluetooth 3 or 4 - Galaxy S phones shipped with 3.0 in the middle of last year... Kinda late for this but it doesn't matter that much if your other devices don't support it, IMO.
6. XGA Resolution 1024 x 768 - Unnecessary on smartphone screens. Even qHD is IMO unecessary on screens 4.3" and below. Apple can afford to put this because they charge a premium for their devices, but it's pretty meh. qHD is decent, this is overkill...
7. HDMI - This is a pretty standard feature these days...
8. Dual Core processors - multiple suppliers - Agree...
I am sure there will be Android devices that meet these specs by late 2012
^ Apart from the screen resolution and USB3, both of which are pipe dreams... There are already Android phones that meet or exceed these specs now...
Low end devices would stay as WP7 and WP8 would support the high end features... Microsoft has already said this is the strategy.
^ Link pls... WTB Windows Phone fragmentation?
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If Microsoft wants to wait until Fall 2012 to introduce half that stuff you have listed... They mind as well just give up now.
Do us all a favor and ask them to put better batteries in their smartphones. The issue with smartphones is not the hardware. Even 1st gen snapdragons are good enough to make a good, featureful, performant smartphone OS on... The issue is that these phones last half a day with heavy usage, when you could do 2-3 days of heavy usage on Blackberries and Nokia phones...
No one cares how pretty it is or how well it performs if they are tethered to a charger all the time, and that's pretty much the status quo for WP7/Android/WebOS and to a lesser extent iOS these days...
Even with 1800-1930 mAh batteries phones like the Galaxy S II/Atrix 4G etc. manage to have battery life measured in < a day of moderate use... That's pretty incredible (not in a good way, either). It's time for manufacturers and companies like Microsoft/Google to stop feeding the needless spec bumping and focus on something that matters more - making phones that won't be rendered useless for hours due to being tethered to a charger if you happen to doze off at night before you plug the charger into it.
Better Battery Life in general, as N8ter said. I think this is the thing iOS, wp7 & Android platforms really need to focus on more right now.
16GB minimum internal NAND memory, although I hope to see at least one 32GB or more (probably Nokia) in the next year. Memory is not that expensive, and if we are to have our music collections on our phones, Nokia and Apple are the only ones who seem to get that you need space. I'll pay a little more for enough storage.
The new processor spec's are fine, don't need dual core yet but would like to see them start to come out by early next year.
I really expect a front facing camera phone will be out with Mango due to Skype being released. One of the OEM's will have one as a flagship if not more. But do people really use this feature much? Not really, but it still has uses, and those who will use it and should be available with Mango imo.
Other than that, its additional software features that are needed most. Mango is taking care of a decent list of complaints I had as will Nokias Navtek data/Ovi maps, but there are still many things to be added.
Fall 2012??? OMG... If Mango can do good enough... Mango is still WIP, so why don;t they add some feature that might "Magnet" some other users? 1, 3, 5, 7,8 from Windows Phone 8 are good example to be put on Mango.
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Better Battery Life in general, as N8ter said. I think this is the thing iOS, wp7 & Android platforms really need to focus on more right now.
16GB minimum internal NAND memory, although I hope to see at least one 32GB or more (probably Nokia) in the next year. Memory is not that expensive, and if we are to have our music collections on our phones, Nokia and Apple are the only ones who seem to get that you need space. I'll pay a little more for enough storage.
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I agree, but the manufacturers charge too much for strage. Going from an 8 to 16 GB phone can easily add $100 to the price at times. It's ridiculous. They will nickle and dime at any opportunity.
Nokia phones only needed a decent size ROM. They have SD Card Slots. Same for Windows Mobile and to a lesser extent Android. iOS, WP7, and WebOS devices need at least 16 GB internal storage, because of the lack of an SD slot or the way the phone works with SD Cards (WP7).
The new processor spec's are fine, don't need dual core yet but would like to see them start to come out by early next year.
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Agree.
I really expect a front facing camera phone will be out with Mango due to Skype being released. One of the OEM's will have one as a flagship if not more. But do people really use this feature much? Not really, but it still has uses, and those who will use it and should be available with Mango imo.
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I have no use for a FFC, and TBQH, I don't even want a phone with a FFC. I'll take an extra 8GB of space instead of a FFC for same price, plix...
Other than that, its additional software features that are needed most. Mango is taking care of a decent list of complaints I had as will Nokias Navtek data/Ovi maps, but there are still many things to be added.
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Agree, and Mango needed to be coming out now, not in six months. They really dropped the ball releasing basically a feature phone in the smartphone market.
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I agree, but the manufacturers charge too much for strage. Going from an 8 to 16 GB phone can easily add $100 to the price at times. It's ridiculous. They will nickle and dime at any opportunity.
Nokia phones only needed a decent size ROM. They have SD Card Slots. Same for Windows Mobile and to a lesser extent Android. iOS, WP7, and WebOS devices need at least 16 GB internal storage, because of the lack of an SD slot or the way the phone works with SD Cards (WP7).
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Nokia's N8 has 64GB internal storage (if I remember correctly). Doesn't NAND memory work better than internal + a removable SD card? I never got great performance out of my SD cards in BB, Android ect. And it seems MS wants everything to be sync'd through zune instead of having removable media ect.
I just hope there is an option for at least 32GB soon, but I would definitely prefer fast and efficient NAND storage like what the Focus has.
I have no use for a FFC, and TBQH, I don't even want a phone with a FFC. I'll take an extra 8GB of space instead of a FFC for same price, plix...
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I would as well.
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Nokia's N8 has 64GB internal storage (if I remember correctly). Doesn't NAND memory work better than internal + a removable SD card? I never got great performance out of my SD cards in BB, Android ect. And it seems MS wants everything to be sync'd through zune instead of having removable media ect.
I just hope there is an option for at least 32GB soon, but I would definitely prefer fast and efficient NAND storage like what the Focus has.
I would as well.
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The N8 does not have 64 GB storage. I'm pretty sure it's 16 GB + SD Card Slot, just like Galaxy S phones...
Yep, just checked... 16 GB Internal Storage with support for up to 32 GB SD Card.
I used to install all my apps to a Class 2 SD Card in Windows Mobile as well as put all my music and videos on it and never had any issues with performance.
In any case, that's not a factor. SD Cards for for media storage, and you can get a high class card if you need it. As long as the phone has a decent amount of internal storage it's not gonna be a problem
I just rather the phone come with at least 16GB internal so I don't feel like I have to splurge for an expensive big SD Card on top of an already expensive device. Plus, it makes a lot of sense...
With the way WP7 works with SD cards, they're better off putting in a large amount of internal storage. SD Cards are how swappable storage and when you make them unswappable it defeats the purpose of even having the slot - especially when you have to factory reset your phone everytime you want to change it (which means you're need to get the biggest card possible off the bad, or deal with a ridiculous inconvenience later on if you want to upgrade it)...
Also, until Microsoft mandates storage types most manufacturers will continue to use SD cards. It allows them to spend VERY little money putting lots of storage whilst charging consumers a ton of money simply because there is a lot of storage there... SD Cards are ridiculously cheap compared to NAND, but you'd never know in the pricing...
Also, if an SD Card goes bad, the phone is much easier to repair than another with a NAND chip soldered in. It's as easy as opening it up, replacing that card, and factory resetting the device then sending it back... That can potentially lower support costs as well
Looks like the 64GB N8 was an april fools gag...I fell for it :O
I wish my Focus had 16GB thats for sure. I chose it as it had the best form factor, best screen, and Samsung's Chipset/Memory was also top notch. Why they chose to only put in 8GB is beyond me.
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Come on folks...128gb microsd?!?!
At first I was excited about the Sandisk announcement (http://dailymobile.se/2008/10/20/sandisk-to-develop-128gb-micosd/); but then I asked one question--When will this end?
I'm torn between constantly buying "the next biggest memory card" versus start storing everything I need online.
Sure they both have their PROs and CONs -- but since 99% of my travels are in a 3G area...
...why NOT use one of the many FREE picture/file stores online?
...and why NOT watch movies and vids online instead of a downloaded copy to my memory card?
...and why not start storing my contacts, calendar, tasks and everyday To Do lists online too?
...and why not even run my desktop applications online where I can access them anywhere I have connectivity?
We Tech OGs know this "cloud computing (Web 3.0)" is nothing new--remember DUMB TERMINALS and THIN CLIENTS? Amongst other advantages, it was SUPPOSE to put a halt to ever-growing disk space needs and excessive licensing costs back in the 1980s and 90s. It didn't really fly...and so now Here we go again.
With only a handful of today's mobile devices having more than 640K of RAM, maybe Bill Gates was right after all when he supposedly said "640K of memory should be enough for anybody".
What is better than to have a large cyclinder capacity?
Right - even more cyclinder capacity ...
I am not traveling always in good 3G connection area and I like to carry arround the data I need. The more the better, for me it is realy that simple.
Wikipedia, MP3s, Navigation, Presentations, fotos, documents, etc.
With a smal card I have to select the data. The larger the card the easier it will be - just have everything.
Claus
128GB on a MicroSD card is just insane.
Been there...done that
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What is better than to have a large cyclinder capacity?
Right - even more cyclinder capacity ...
I am not traveling always in good 3G connection area and I like to carry arround the data I need. The more the better, for me it is realy that simple.
Wikipedia, MP3s, Navigation, Presentations, fotos, documents, etc.
With a smal card I have to select the data. The larger the card the easier it will be - just have everything.
Claus
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Until about 2 years ago, I loaded gigs of TomTom and Mapopolis maps to my SD card. The problem was those maps NEVER had street names and areas less than 4 years old. So I abandoned that and started using Google Maps, YahooGo and Nav4All. The only downside is that an internet connection is now required. I'm now starting to go online with fotos so I can share. I abandoned loading encyclopedias, dictionaries and wikis to my SD cards a long time ago. To me loading those on a card is the same as carrying around hard/printed copies. It's outdated the second you put it on paper. By accessing those online, in theory, you'll have the latest updates.
My only concern with accessing contacts, calendar, tasks and documents online is SECURITY.
Not long ago I spent $60 on a 4GB micro SDHC
Haven't come close to filling it -- but when I saw a 8GB for only $25 last week, I just had to grab it.
I just might do the same when 16GB get to that price point.
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Not long ago I spent $60 on a 4GB micro SDHC
Haven't come close to filling it -- but when I saw a 8GB for only $25 last week, I just had to grab it.
I just might do the same when 16GB get to that price point.
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I spent the equivalent of $12 on a 4GB Micro SDHC the other day.
I have the same problem and now it has been sorted!
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Right - even more cyclinder capacity ...
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Meanwhile this rule of thumb isn't true anymore. The pressure inside the cylinder affects the power of an engine too. So more cylinder capacity isn't neccessary that much.
Had a 512MB SD Card - was enougth but a bit too small ... !
Upgraded to a 1GB SD Card - was enougth but again became a bit too small.
Bought me a 2GB SD Card - damn, still not enough space ... !
Got me a 4GB Card - ... will it ever be large enough for my needs?
Sitting on my 8GB Card - ... not enough space !!!
Well, avoided so far the 16Gig Card because I think it is just too expensive! Hopefully prices will drop soon - so, 128GB would be cool, I could get rid of my 160GB USB drive.
However, I doubt that any currently available MOBILE HANDSET would be capable of handling a 128GB Card ... !
..let me hear ya say tera. oh yeah
The more space you have, the more space you´ll need/use
So the "When is enough" will have to be answered by users and not by manufacturers. The day we don´t buy something that will be the day when they maybe say "Now it´s enough"
Keep in mind those Cards will be used as well for other things then Phones. with a USB reader ( that you could carry on your key chain) you could carry complete data of your desktop with those. (pictures. movies,music etc)
I am selling those readers and many company's that have been using CD/DVDs moving to USB readers with cards. >see the picture for sample<
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Meanwhile this rule of thumb isn't true anymore. The pressure inside the cylinder affects the power of an engine too. So more cylinder capacity isn't neccessary that much.
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Untill you also fill that bigger cylinder with more air....
I suppose the question is not necessarily whether or not "when will enough be enough" but more so "when will they develope phones with much better camera and video quality? That is when the large SD cards will come in handy. 4 years ago Samsung made a great phone for Verizon Wireless. It did nto sell well because it never had a great sale on it but the thing had amazing video, camera, and even voice to text on it.
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I suppose the question is not necessarily whether or not "when will enough be enough" but more so "when will they develope phones with much better camera and video quality? That is when the large SD cards will come in handy. 4 years ago Samsung made a great phone for Verizon Wireless. It did nto sell well because it never had a great sale on it but the thing had amazing video, camera, and even voice to text on it.
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like this nokia n98? id rather buy a camera and a phone/pda i mean its not like digital zoom is amazing or anything, but yeah that would use alot of space, so would a phone with better screen resolution then all of the games/videos would be bigger. there probably wont ever be an end because people are lazy so they program lazy and dont optimize code and people want everything to be hd so everything will be bloated just for graphics
Wow, that is a pretty sweet phone anda carl zeis lens is really killer for a phone! So I guess that would be a yes.
so this is still using the SDHC interface or what??
it wouldnt make sencse to make a new subunit of SD if it can only go 128 Gb, because face it........ that isnt large enough to support another couple of years.
the jump from 2 Gb to 32 Gb was pritty big, 16 times the capacity.
32 Gb to 128 Gb is nothing compared to that first jump, its only 4 times bigger.
The real question should have been. Where can I get one and how much?
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The real question should have been. Where can I get one and how much?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13520709&postcount=8503
I plan to get the 128GB SDXC in that thread.
Thanks, but those are SD, not micro SD which is what we need for smartphones.
Is there any reason that all leaks so far says that the phone only have 8GB Storage. Especially the HTC HD7, which is supposed to be HTCs state of the art Phone should have at least 16GB Storage from the beginning. 8GB isn't quite enough for someone with a lot of music and other media, and to say "but it has 25GB cloud storage!" isn't valid when talking about Music and media, scince the cloud isn't always there and can't be as responsive as a local storage.
Nobody knows anything for sure. Every leak was mentioning 8GB in all devices except an LG one, but whether that will be the only option or this is just the amount of storage in current pre-production devices or this is the capacity of storage cards that will be shipped (but can be somehow changed later) remains to be seen.
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Nobody knows anything for sure. Every leak was mentioning 8GB in all devices except an LG one, but whether that will be the only option or this is just the amount of storage in current pre-production devices or this is the capacity of storage cards that will be shipped (but can be somehow changed later) remains to be seen.
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I hope they're all just held on by a latch under the battery...if not those OEMs that just made 8GB phones really messed up. But they're just Gen 1 phones anyway. Really hoping to see MS code the drivers for Hummingbird & Tegra chipsets.
If those cards are somehow accessible, that would indeed be great. Especially if SDXC is supported.
On the other hand, they can easily mess up, this won't be the first or the last time they do it.
I think that the reason we are seeing 8GB on all the leaks are because these are test devices.
Let's think about it, most of the device specs that have been leaked are using non-removable SD cards.
SD cards are relatively cheap, just plug it in and viola, you got 8, 16, or 32 GB. Knowing this, it seems likely that we'll see an OEM (such as HTC), release one device (such as HD3) with several different storage levels (8GB, 16GB, 32GB) simply because the cost of adding a higher storage card is negligible compared to using flash storage.
The reason for all these 8GB devices is because WP7 requires a minimum of 8GB built in storage for apps and media. Manufacturers can make it as high they want.
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Is there any reason that all leaks so far says that the phone only have 8GB Storage. Especially the HTC HD7, which is supposed to be HTCs state of the art Phone should have at least 16GB Storage from the beginning. 8GB isn't quite enough for someone with a lot of music and other media, and to say "but it has 25GB cloud storage!" isn't valid when talking about Music and media, scince the cloud isn't always there and can't be as responsive as a local storage.
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Exactly one of the reasons why I don't want to buy WP7 when it comes out. I might go to Android for the time being.
All CPUs are qualcomm 8250, no tethering, 8gb storage, no expanision (had this been on the phones, it would have forgiven the 8gb internal storage). All though I LOVE how it is incorporated to XBL, I don't think that is enough to win me over. I'm on the fence here.
Yeah, that they're also using the QSD8250 sucks. On the other hand, I don't think that Android will be faster with QSD8650A than a WP7 with the QSD8250. Part because Android is kinda slow so the extra CPU power will probably be consumed and games and Apps in Android is developed to fit with slower devices (and devices without 2.2)
Tethering is confirmed from what I've heard, but it's up to the carrier to decide if it should be enabled.
My biggest worries is still the 8GB memory (and lack of important APIs), but hopefully it's only because of the testing devices all leaks report 8GB.
Ideally, I would love have any WP7 with a SD Slot so I can go and buy a 32gb to potentially replace my 30gb 1st gen Zune, since it's built in then use whatever is onboard for phone use. As of right now, I'm still rocking a day 1 G1 with the stock 1gb inside, so anything right now will be considered an upgrade. I do have a feeling that the "leaked" specs may just test units or even a Euro specific version and the US version may differ....but then again that would be in a perfect world. Only time will tell with the "official release".
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Ideally, I would love have any WP7 with a SD Slot so I can go and buy a 32gb to potentially replace my 30gb 1st gen Zune, since it's built in then use whatever is onboard for phone use. As of right now, I'm still rocking a day 1 G1 with the stock 1gb inside, so anything right now will be considered an upgrade. I do have a feeling that the "leaked" specs may just test units or even a Euro specific version and the US version may differ....but then again that would be in a perfect world. Only time will tell with the "official release".
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How the hell does Your G1 have 1g of internal storage?
After this post, The XDA app probably forced closed from my froyo lacking Vibrant
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How the hell does Your G1 have 1g of internal storage?
After this post, The XDA app probably forced closed from my froyo lacking Vibrant
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Not internal....SD Card. Hell, 1gb internal would be amazing. I dont use many apps but it sure would help out.
Thus far after much research it's looking like, for the UK at least, only the following phones will have 16GB of storage;
HTC Surround
LG Optimus 7
LG Optimus 7Q
All the others seem to have 8GB.
Bearing in mind I currently have an HD2 with a 16GB SD card in it, I was hoping that "upgrading" to WP7 would bring a jump in storage to at least 32GB. Now it looks like remaining at 16GB is the best I can hope for, and moving over to the HD7 would result in a halving of storage back to 8GB.
Anyway, the above 3 phones at least seem to offer the same storage as I currently have.
I'm guessing most of the phones only have 8GB so they can provide an upgrade path in 12 months time to 16 or 32, so that we can spend more money on buying yet another phone.
Bearing in mind I have 60GB of music and 20GB of photos, I'm a bit peeved. Especially as the iPhone seems to have up to 64GB.
I thought O2 were bumping up the HD7 to 16GB? At least that's what they have it listed as in their 'Coming soon' section and their press blog!
the hd7 in uk will have 16gh, some omnia 7's may do. I don't think the uk is getting the surround. I am hoping that the trophy has been hiding the fact it has sd cards as they are selling them on there website for that phone.
There have been a number of indicators recently that the HD7 has a microsd slot, so even a device with 8GB should be upgradable to 16 or 32GB. Jolly good.
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There have been a number of indicators recently that the HD7 has a microsd slot, so even a device with 8GB should be upgradable to 16 or 32GB. Jolly good.
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I am hoping that this is true as even though I have never used up an 8gig SD card, the games on WP7 will most likely be bigger than the games on Android.
To be honest I am struggling with there thinking that 8 GB memory is enough.
This phone is supposed to be for gaming,music,video,photos and office Documents. not to mention if you record in 720P the phone will be full in no time.
Yep, the HTC HD7 has 16GB memory. Just been confirmed by O2.
http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phone/HTC/HD7
and an official price tag of £380.00...not that bad. I wonder what I can get for my HD2...
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...and an official price tag of £380.00...not that bad...
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Finally some adequate price. Hope we will see soon a good offers for other models as well.
I think I will hold off in buying HD7. I believe HTC will eventually raise the specs(hoping!wishing!) including the SD card slot. Might use my trusty HD2, which basically is HD7 with WM6.5 OS.
Omnia 7 16Gb
Samsung's site ( omnia7.samsungmobile.com ) state there's a 16Gb version under the Specifications.
Has anybody been able to actually CONFIRM this? Everyone I talk to denies knowledge if it even existing and Samsung haven't responded.
A 16Gb Omnia 7 is the only phone I'd consider getting now otherwise I'll just continue to wait.
According to this...
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/samsung-focus-review
The Samsung Focus is expandable to 40GB, i.e. it has a slot and you can use a 32GB card. Bonza!
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According to this...
pocketnow.com/windows-phone/samsung-focus-review
The Samsung Focus is expandable to 40GB, i.e. it has a slot and you can use a 32GB card. Bonza!
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Thanks for the info, but unfortunately the Focus is US-only and isn't available here in the UK (for some unknown reason). 40Gb sure does sound good compared to the majority 8Gb models available in the UK :/
Just been down to the O2 shop this morning. Had a look under the battery and no SD card slot
However there is a plastic label so maybe there is on under there? We'll not know untill someone disassembles but so far it looks unlikely.
As MS is been tight lipped about WP7 until now, I was surprised... but expandable memory should not be an issue as MS wants the users to use the phone as Zune and play games...
I can’t see a reason to restrict ppl from expanding the memory....
honestly 16GB will be fine for me as i keep my music and videos on my 60GB touch... its almost full.. so i can never ***** about not enough memory on my phone..
I really cannot understand why OEM's created this frustration with the amount of the internal memory. At least they are using a soldered microSD cards so all of us know how much the difference between 8 and 16 GB costs. Even the iPhone 4, as typical overpriced Apple product, has £500 price tag and 16 GB internal memory. For comparison Omnia 7 has the same preorder price and the miserable 8 GB.
How they imagine competing with all of the marvellous Android phones that are coming and even with the iPhone? Or they just experimenting with the new platform...
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I really cannot understand why OEM's created this frustration with the amount of the internal memory. At least they are using a soldered microSD cards so all of us know how much the difference between 8 and 16 GB costs. Even the iPhone 4, as typical overpriced Apple product, has £500 price tag and 16 GB internal memory. For comparison Omnia 7 has the same preorder price and the miserable 8 GB.
How they imagine competing with all of the marvellous Android phones that are coming and even with the iPhone? Or they just experimenting with the new platform...
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I have noticed this with Samsung time and time again, They place a great screen on this phone then use a poor camera, and skimp on memory. But still want top dollar for there product.
I understand the sound quality is poor compared to HTC phones as well.
It is a huge over-site not having a larger capacity for the memory, The manufactures are to blame here where are the 32 GB and 64 GB versions.
It almost feels as if the manufactures want this product to fail.
I hope they bring larger sizes soon.
I am a member since XDA was an actual phone. Have been playing with 6.0 and 6.5 and ditched that for Android for obvious reasons. Now with phones like Lumia 900, Windows Phone looks more and more attractive.
I do however notice the lack of SD card support which is a big deal for me since my Atrix has 10GB built in and my 16GB card is almost full with music.
Question, is this a good moment to buy Lumia 900 or should I wait for windows 8 which may or may not support SD card, HDMI-out etc.
What do you think?
duchski said:
I am a member since XDA was an actual phone. Have been playing with 6.0 and 6.5 and ditched that for Android for obvious reasons. Now with phones like Lumia 900, Windows Phone looks more and more attractive.
I do however notice the lack of SD card support which is a big deal for me since my Atrix has 10GB built in and my 16GB card is almost full with music.
Question, is this a good moment to buy Lumia 900 or should I wait for windows 8 which may or may not support SD card, HDMI-out etc.
What do you think?
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The question is, would 16g + Cloud storage be enough for you? Sounds like no. So why even entertain the thought. Windows Phone 8 is said to have SD cards and such. If its that important to you, you have no choice but wait. As far as the OS goes....its getting better and willing have a stronger impact in the future....
Or there is always the Nokia Black N9 with 64GB storage
Hi,
I wanna buy this cellphone but I'm a little worried because reviews say that out of the 16 GB of space, only a little more than 9 are available for the user, which seems a little low to install apps and a few games. How's your experience with this phone's storage?
Cheers!
actualy its more like about 5,5 to me
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actualy its more like about 5,5 to me
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Really?? That's bad...
Yeah, 16 GB is terrible in 2017 to be honest. If there isn't a 32 GB model then I'd consider jumping to the A5 2017 because I know for sure that has a 32 GB model, it's 5.2 inches instead of the A3's 4.7 inches which is a normal sized phone these days and is easy to handle, it's not that much more expensive than the A3, and it has much better specs including 3 GB of RAM instead of the 2 GB the A3 has. Trust me, 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB of internal storage just isn't good enough for apps in 2017 and it'll start to lag in a few months (even my A5 stutters sometimes).
But if you still end up with an A3, you should know that it does come with a microSD card slot for expandable storage so you can move some of your apps to your SD card (games are usually movable), and if you ever plan to root your phone one day, you can move all your apps to your SD card.
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Yeah, 16 GB is terrible in 2017 to be honest. If there isn't a 32 GB model then I'd consider jumping to the A5 2017 because I know for sure that has a 32 GB model, it's 5.2 inches instead of the A3's 4.7 inches which is a normal sized phone these days and is easy to handle, it's not that much more expensive than the A3, and it has much better specs including 3 GB of RAM instead of the 2 GB the A3 has. Trust me, 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB of internal storage just isn't good enough for apps in 2017 and it'll start to lag in a few months (even my A5 stutters sometimes).
But if you still end up with an A3, you should know that it does come with a microSD card slot for expandable storage so you can move some of your apps to your SD card (games are usually movable), and if you ever plan to root your phone one day, you can move all your apps to your SD card.
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It's actually the size of the phone (along with the price) that makes me wanna go for it (I love mini phones), but it's great to know that I can move apps to the SD card.
RangoX said:
Really?? That's bad...
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yep couldnt stay like this without root
RangoX said:
It's actually the size of the phone (along with the price) that makes me wanna go for it (I love mini phones), but it's great to know that I can move apps to the SD card.
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I think you should be taking specs into consideration more because the A3 is seriously weak in all departments (not just storage, but camera, performance, etc.). I'd recommend going for the iPhone SE if you really want a smaller phone or the Pixel at 5 inches maybe for a phone that's fantastic in all departments at a size that isn't that much bigger than the A3 (just 0.3 inches larger which you really won't notice after using the phone for a few minutes).
I'm just saying, the A3 won't last you a year and a half without becoming a slow nightmare. If you have the money you should definitely go for the iPhone SE or a Pixel which will last you two or three years before it starts becoming a hassle to deal with as those are actually quality compact phones while the A3 is more of a smaller, lower quality version of an already budget phone (the A5 2017).
Have had A3 2017 for 6 months and have to agree with above - don't bother! Was tempted by small size and price and battery life. But storage is always full despite only a handful of apps on it and photos, apps, videos being all on SD card. Useless.
the phone hardware is awesome for its price tag and it is a small phone that fits into our pockets.
i just got a new a3 2017 phone, which comes with lots of bloatware and there is no way to uninstall (not disable) them easily.
the development community has yet embraced this phone meaning, there is no official lineageos release for this phone and the same goes for twrp ([here is unofficial one][1]) and even the famous odin tool for flashing, supports only windows (guess i will have to use [heimdall][2]).
after playing with the phone for a day, i can tell that i really miss the following features:
- dark theme (with lineageos we could easily replace the builtin theme)
- vibration feedback (do not want to get a special keyboard application like swype to do the trick, as i want it system wide)
- haptic feedback for capacitive buttons (do not want to get a special application like [vibeonkey][3] to do the trick, as i want it system wide)
now that lineageos reached 15.1 maybe some of the guru developers here could provide us with an unofficial (not buggy) release of lineage 15.1.
i do not mind to get lineage 14.1 working, as it is better than the nougat version that was released by samsung.
ps, regarding the storage and in case you missed it, just use an sdcard or whatever this phone supports.
Code:
[1]: https://forum.xda-developers.com/samsung-a-series-2017/development/recovery-a3-2017-t3758969#post75786071
[2]: https://glassechidna.com.au/heimdall/
[3]: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-vibeonkey-add-vibration-to-hardware-t3611532
i went on all android distribution and non has a working rom for the a3 2017...
there is no adoption to this phone, although it has a great hardware which fits into my jeans pockets.
if anyonw has another working rom for this device, please state so
oopsy, how can i delete it?
RangoX said:
Hi,
I wanna buy this cellphone but I'm a little worried because reviews say that out of the 16 GB of space, only a little more than 9 are available for the user, which seems a little low to install apps and a few games. How's your experience with this phone's storage?
Cheers!
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even after rooting the phone, i couldn't delete (not disable or hide) to reclaim space and i tried many free apps that suppose to do that.
are you familiar with any application that truly delete the system application?
this is how i finally deleted the bloatware:
1. root the device i used this twrp.
2. use titanium backup but before that do this
update, checkout this thread